@@youregay2947 If you undercam you're gonna fall, if you overcam your gear is gonna be really hard to take out and you may not be able to get it back
I love how when people test out gear/placements they think are superior they just gently place they’re weight on it, but when they test something bad they smack it around, jump on it, pull/push it out of place. It’s like those commercials with the flexi glasses.
Cams are safety devices. Ideally they never take aggressive amount of force. I can see why people don’t want to stress test it because they still have to personally use it
This is all good and all that the gear can carry you when simply hanging but what about when you are falling? The amount of preassure the gear will have to hold is a lot more if you actually fall is it not? Just because it van support a hanging person does not mean it can support a falling person right? Im not trying to be negative im just curious
Cams are bassicly the safest gear you can use when they're places like he does in this video. You can hang a car+ some off it and it will very easily hold your weight in a fall. The rock is more likely to give than the cam
Why do people insult us by hanging on a cam and calling it a "test" Take a 20 foot whipper that's a test! ps. the over cam would likely still hold while the under cammed would like have held your weight in your "test"
I know that thould hold, but I with you would actually take a fall on the pro you place dor these videos. Especially for the will it hold videos. You always load it like you are terrified it will fail.
Bruh pretty much every climber who climbs trad uses cams. They are some of the best protection due to their utility. All trad protection has to be tested to take a huge amount of dynamic force and they're generally rated to several tens of kilo newtons
As I heard one time: undercaming is bad. overcaming is not bad, it's just expensive.
That's a good one 😂 I'm gonna use that the next time I'm teaching someone cam placements
I don’t get it
@@youregay2947cuz you can't get it out
@@youregay2947 If you undercam you're gonna fall, if you overcam your gear is gonna be really hard to take out and you may not be able to get it back
I learned that the hard way with a bd #3
I love how when people test out gear/placements they think are superior they just gently place they’re weight on it, but when they test something bad they smack it around, jump on it, pull/push it out of place. It’s like those commercials with the flexi glasses.
Cams are safety devices. Ideally they never take aggressive amount of force. I can see why people don’t want to stress test it because they still have to personally use it
Yeah I placed a “perfect” cam. The rock around it broke, I hit a ledge ofter 50ft and I now walk like John Wayne 😂
Sorry ❤
@@chk859 haha dont be mate. Shit happens. Im alive, happy and back climbing 🤙🏻 what more could i ask for
Dang bro you're lucky to be alive.
I’m so sorry sending love ❤ Hru?
Hea being sarcastic, brothers & Sisters 😅
I miss climbing so bad. Love you're stuff bro....
Why haven’t you been able too?
same here
Whadaa ya mean, everyone obviously likes to zipper 20 feet and smack the wall
haha exactly. long runouts are better with better cam placements way down there
We don’t see you whip into that placement, how else will we know if it’s bomber or not?
The last one was bomber:)
This is all good and all that the gear can carry you when simply hanging but what about when you are falling? The amount of preassure the gear will have to hold is a lot more if you actually fall is it not? Just because it van support a hanging person does not mean it can support a falling person right? Im not trying to be negative im just curious
Just gotta determine the load that you’ll be placing on a cam in the event of a fall and set yourself up where it can support that load
Cams are bassicly the safest gear you can use when they're places like he does in this video. You can hang a car+ some off it and it will very easily hold your weight in a fall. The rock is more likely to give than the cam
Will “Overcammed” problems make you fall?
They will hold...however your second may not be able to get it out.
Nah, they'll just get stuck and you'll lose like $60-120 worth of gear
Undercamming is bad. Overcamming is not bad, it's just expensive 😊
Per other comment...
My next concern is what if the piece itself snaps?
I want to buy one just to hang at ground level
I love rocks. Big rocks.
But I don't think I will ever climb one 😁
I love big rocks too! Very fun to admire
Neither did I, 8 years ago 😂
Do it. You can find any level of difficulty and it's very safe.
Why do people insult us by hanging on a cam and calling it a "test" Take a 20 foot whipper that's a test!
ps. the over cam would likely still hold while the under cammed would like have held your weight in your "test"
I really want to do trad but I don't know if I could ever trust cams
@@natevanderw the cams are good but do you trust yourself is the real question
@@natevanderw You could go old school, chalks and hexes.
@@natevanderw I began trad climbing with a rack of passive. Just get better and don't try and push above your grade
I will take a well place chock over a cam everyday. I have taken big whippers on chocks.
The thing is his always trying to on low ground. After showing us the placement he should try it on high ground 😊
I know that thould hold, but I with you would actually take a fall on the pro you place dor these videos. Especially for the will it hold videos. You always load it like you are terrified it will fail.
Donner Summit?
Looks like Karl's Overhang, yeah. Great climb
I know that wasn’t a great test, but this stuff has been tested constantly and proven to work otherwise no one would use it.
Another cam vid???
Damn these youtbe climbers that "test" their gear like this
Overcammed cams are fine though, just more likely to get stuck
If you are fine with dropping $60-$120 a placement. And if you are on a multi pitch, you are kind of screwed
@@chrisrichardson5641 I would place a bomber but overcammed nr 2 anytime before taking a whip to eternity ;)
well said chris. definitely don't want to be losing cams once a pitch, or even once every 30 pitches!
How
trust me this item does'nt have Bad review
You only need gear if you know you’re gunna fall.
;)
I wouldn't trust that 700 ft up ill tell you that
Its a life saving device. The manufacturer should mark the safe spot with paint or something.
Or maybe if you’re gonna use this type of gear to get proper instruction. Atleast a ten minute video instead of a 30 second one
Metolius does this actually.
How the hell can someone trust these things
O primeiro descascador de batatas para alpinistas loucos
Big size
id rather fall
Why is over cam dodgy, won’t that just ct a lot more tough n no hope ov coming out
cap
no such thing as over cammed only stuck cam or cleanable cam
The First potato peeler for Crazy climbers in the world. O would not put my life at the end of that rope.
hahaha best comment yet!
Just saw a demo of them hanging a car from one
🤓😎
Cams are bad period, matter of fact , rock climbing is bad in general
if you wont risk your life on this product in the video then I wont either
Bruh pretty much every climber who climbs trad uses cams. They are some of the best protection due to their utility. All trad protection has to be tested to take a huge amount of dynamic force and they're generally rated to several tens of kilo newtons
I really wish climbers would stop putting stuff in cracks like that. They are only making those cracks worse and worse.
I don't understand would you rather they drill into the rock?? or just free solo??? 💀
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Once again this demonstration is meaningless because static load is not the same as a dynamic load
This right here
If only there was some...company that makes these and tested them...hmmm
People fall on cams all the time and they hold...He is explaining overcamming vs undercamming, not an in depth analysis of whether cams work or not.
Why the hell on earth people climb rocks and get stucked in.
Well my idea of fun is playing a game with the boys while smoking, not climbing a mountain
Why don't you jump from 4m to show us if it's work.
We don't care about static...
It's all bad. This should not be a video for mass consumption.
please explain where it's bad