I own a 7 Artizan 27 mm f2.8 lens, and laugh as you may I shot a wedding with it, the clients were over the moon with the results. It does have some noticeable vignetting wide open, but years ago we use to add a vignetting filter for this effect. The images you have shown here look like you have vasaline on the front element. It may be that quality control is inconsistent on these lenses and I just got lucky. Really enjoy your work and channel.
Thanks, 7 artisans was one of the reason I considered buying an OG A7, cheap full frame, cheap lens I decided to defer from it and got a RX1R. I was glad I did so, the thing has one of the most beautiful color out of sony I've ever had.
The RX1(R) (II) series are great, but the battery life is being absymal, the price is rediculous, and after some >10 years, it's worth next to nothing. Don't get me wrong - i am a Zeiss Shooter since the late 80's, i love Zeiss lenses, but Sony gear sucks, in terms of aging...into the end, it's just electronics, which is prone to failure, by design...within the years...Leica keeps it's value worlds better, than especially if its being mechanical only, one could repair it anytime, always, as long as there are spare parts being avialable. Leica still does a CLA for their old M series...go figure with Sony....CaNikon, etc...after some 5-7 years, especially >10 years, you're out of luck, and into the worst case - just own a very nice dust collector for the cabinet, or doorstop. 🙂
@@marcp.1752 new Leica is still all digital, they are as prone to electronically aging as any digital camera. They are just able to ver serviced, inky in cost about as much as buying another used digicam for others.
If I puke every time when a RUclipsr or a forum commenter sugarcoats "bad optics" as "character", I would've been able to stay in shape even if I eat food with "character" every day with a 30-year-old man's metabolism.
"As in; Empty the bank account to buy the body alone...Dont Do It!" I wish i had heard that back in December when I walked off the M Series cliff. Oh well. I don't really need to retire. And if I'm going to drop dead working with a camera in my hand, it will be my M11
Well, it is mine. Maybe because I did get it calibrated. And I like the results. I even like the off focus dof more than my 35mm Summaron and that lens is less sharp, and has lower contrast. Guess what helps, I shoot this lens on a M8, so crop sensor. And I use the M8 prime for B&W. Maybe because I am a 35mm film shooter, I love how much detail this combi is giving me. And I love the greytones and contrast. And saying that, also wanna say I think the build quality is great, focus smooth and damping is great. The mount is perfect. So yeah I LOVE this lens. The calibration is a thing for some, but hey, the Leica RF don’t like a bump, and are not unknown to be off, so why shoot Leica when you can’t except some things need calibrated 😛😛😛
I cannot use this 7artisans 35mm f2 full frame fixed prime lens on my Sony A7R III. Is there any way i can use this lens on my camera? Please somebody help me!
First off, I love your channel. I may have been blessed by the lens Gods because I bought this lens several months ago for my M-P240. The very first frame I shot of my wife tending her English garden, in difficult lighting poleaxed me. The contrast, color rendition, sharpness and character of the image were superb. That image was shot at f2. Since then that lens has stayed on the camera and every single image has stayed true to that first one. I finally took it off yesterday because my beloved 50mm Summicron was threatening to leave home. I agree wholeheartedly TTArtisans lenses are better and I have lots of them. I hope 7Artisans take your review in sharp focus (Oy, a pun) and up their game, because having a QC team spend 20 minutes on each lens and add 10 bucks to the price will deliver a very fine lens. The fact that they knew those lenses were going to to YOU for review wins the stoopid ribbon of the year and your negative review is well-deserved.
I got it out of interest in early January. It did the same to me. Crisp and sharp. But, for the money, I wouldn't have minded if I had to tweak it. I didn't. (I don't care what other people think about what kit I use or why either!)
Great video as ever Hugh. Just received my Leica SL Ltd. Edition RockandRoll strap you mentioned a few months back. The red dot motif is really cool. ATB, J
sorry you did not enjoy the 35mm from 7artisans, while I agree that it should not be your first lens, I have enjoyed them as being good second lenses, I used a 55mm from them yesterday, and if you did not care about 100% keepers you could get some fine images.
I wanted to try some experimenting with a manual wide angle lens on my Sony A7R4 and decided to get a Carl Zeiss Jena DDR Flektogon 20mm f/2.8 Red MC Lens (M42 mount) because my research indicated this would be a fun lens. I purchased the TT Artisans f/0.95 50mm (e mount) to experiment with the 0.95 aperture, and it was a nightmare to hit focus wide open (likely due to my lack of skill or experience). The TT Artisans f/0.95 50mm was an interesting lens (no, I'm not bashing it as it was really interesting and challenging to use), but I found the Carl Zeiss Flektogon 20mm much easier to hit focus as a manual lens. I preferred the results and ease of functionality of the 20mm. Overall, I'm a fan of autofocus, so my go-to is my Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2 Sony just for ease of use, and it works well enough for me in low light situations. Personally, I'd rather buy a vintage lens or a modern autofocus lens than buy glass that just doesn't work if I wanted to get experimental. That said, I fully agree with doing research before pulling the trigger, which is why I enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for another great video.
Yes, should always do your homework when buying lenses. I seem to have a bad habit of collecting them (as my wife puts it) but at least I try to learn as much as I can before buying...and of course all these purchases are always much needed 😉. Already scouting some Fujifilm lenses if I choose to go that way as well. Thanks for the honest and to the point vid, Hugh.
what about using it on... let's say an APS-H 10MP Leica M8 or M8.2 ? I found that if some of my older Nikkor lenses were rather soft on my 24MP fujifilm cameras, they were tack sharp on my 12MP full frame D700 I wasn't especting a lens on that lens mount and at that price to be able to resolve a 61MP sensor in the M11 anyway (although, 7artisan did set up the expectation of extremely sharp glass at affordable prices. Their 25mm f/1.8 lens that you can find for Fuji X / MFT / Sony E mounts is one of the sharpest lenses I own and yet I paid like 80 bucks brand new for it)
Thanks for the frank review. They are precisely what I need to see. I had purchased a TT Artisans-M 50 mm f/1.4 lens last year for use on en eventual M11, but tested it on a digital Leica CL and SL2. It wasn’t as low IQ as the two 7 Artisans lenses you described here, but I decided to sell it. It’ll get replaced first by a Voigtländer VM APO-Lanthar 50 f/2 (next week) and later a Leica Summilux-M 50 f/1.4.
Hugh...Another wonderful, educational and truly entertaining video... However, one minor note purely from a syntactical point of view "" should have been simply ""... In quasi - HTML it would have been simply "" for begin rant and " for end rant with the backslash "/" signifying the ending marker. That said in simpler XML you probably would gotten away with [RANT] in pairs signifying beginning and end...😊
Very excellent! I don’t mind calibrating a lens, but if I’m using a film camera this is a ridiculous process. I’m hoping that your honest evaluation will spur 7Artisans to do better. TTArtisans has been doing well in creating lenses that are pretty respectable in comparison to the Leica M-mount lenses that are logarithmically more expensive. Competition in this market is a good thing.
Hello Hugh, quick question. Would you recommend I sell my Leica M10 as buying power to get the new M11? I was originally going to upgrade to the M10-R but others who own the M11 and have owned an M10-R recommended that move given I’m not gonna mind the loss of the bottom plate. I personally don’t mind, my SL type 601 has the same battery design and I like it. Plus USB-C charging would be really nice. I know how to clean my own camera sensors so the M11’s sensor being exposed for metering isn’t a big deal. I use high quality Voigtlander lenses on my M10 and SL like the 50mm APO-Lanthar and new Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH Version 2. I personally can’t get myself to buy Chinese M lenses because of the reasons you’ve explained when voigtlander offers much better quality and lenses come calibrated already. Thanks for any feedback!
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your thoughts on this, being (frankly) the most honest and blunt review of a 7artisans product I've found to date. To take your bluntness to my levels, they are frankly crap, and while you called it a homage to Leica, I call them cheap knockoffs and rip offs. I've seen MANY reviews professing how good they are because of the "character" they bring to your image (which I've found is often a cop-out for shit image quality), and had countless debates with people who profess these things are the best ever, and worthy of being put on a Leica camera, when nothing is further from the truth. My counterpoint is always, if you buy a $6k+ camera from a famous brand, why would you stick a piece of knockoff crappy glass on it? Like people who buy a $2k iPhone 14 Pro Max with all the trimmings, but then charge it with a $4 Amazon knockoff charger and blame Apple when the battery explodes 6 months later (my rant off)... Please keep up this level of honest integrity and honesty with everything you do, the industry sorely needs a LOT more people like you!!! Love the channel and your work!
Agree 100% with your point of view: everybody has their own requirements and quality standards. To me as well this lenses are crap and I wouldn't trust any RUclips reviewers when it comes to evaluating lenses; after 37 years in photography I've learnt the hard way that you get what you pay for. And I don't consider Hugh a RUclips reviewer but a photographer who knows what he's talking about.
Well, besides your dislike of some Congressional people, the review set a new standard. You compare any lens with a Apple or other phone and if the image qualities are not there, then junk it. As for Congress … no let’s not go there.
All that said, I've come aruond to the view that third party lenses aren't necessarily silly anymore. Just a VERY few years ago, they all had terrible form factors and weak even by 40 years ago standards performance. Now, (especially Voigtlander's) some are worth consideration. I bought the Voigtlander 35mm f2 Ultron II as a temporary replacement for my "V1" 8-element Summicron. (Supposedly "the best 35mm ever made" - it certainly wasn't - but arguably the best handling 35 ever made) I may keep it. It's form factor is nearly identical to the 8-element and it performs better (sharper, more contrast, more even across the frame but still with a touch of "character" that vaguely reminds of the vintage lens.) The Voigtlander APO is by all accounts even better but it's a beast. Since my fingers have to operate the thing, that's a showstopper for me. (Some people online knock Voigtlaner lenses for uneven sharpness across the frame. I haven't seen that on this lens. Although, I can't say I've ever really seen that with ANY lens EVER in the real world except on copy jobs. And even I don't shoot copy jobs wide open. Which isn't to say that I haven't ever. But that's another story :-) Oh... obviously, the current Leica APOs are way better (I've only ever shot the 50). But they cost, well, a lot.
This dovetails with your Pani 50mm Vs leica x 8 $$the price...I use MFT studio tripod ..results are pin ..YET UTube taling heads soft down image quality ..Vanitry"..and yellow up..Full frame footage looks 720p This offers NO authentisity to their lens reviews..This dosent appear on 3BM&E.....I enjoy your well considered content and thoughts and ideas....Excellent ...and Thank you
Moreover... pretty much no one buys a Leica body (overstated) for the body... they buy one for the LENS. The glass is the magic, they always have been. Yes, I know I'm overstating this but, this is my own mileage.
@@SlotCarNewsOfficial wrong. I wanted a digital rangefinder. My choice (at the time) was just Leica. Not sure I'd buy a Pixii now either as I want to play with w-i-d-e angles sometimes.
@@FFVoyager so an expensive camera with a coke bottle optic, got it. I suggest you look at older leica glass like screw mount lenses that would be much better that these cheap Chinese lenses
Everyone has different use cases, expectations and budgets for lenses, L-mount or otherwise. Some shoot film, some high res digital. I honestly don’t see why Hugh agreed to review this lens review since he knew he’d be forced to trash it. Poor taste. And the iPhone bit was just silly, comparing software sharpened photos from a smartphone to the actual resolving power of a lens is an odd flex.
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I own a 7 Artizan 27 mm f2.8 lens, and laugh as you may I shot a wedding with it, the clients were over the moon with the results. It does have some noticeable vignetting wide open, but years ago we use to add a vignetting filter for this effect. The images you have shown here look like you have vasaline on the front element. It may be that quality control is inconsistent on these lenses and I just got lucky. Really enjoy your work and channel.
Delighted it works for you!
The fact you are blunt, truthful..... let's say passionate...Is why you and this channel is so great!!
🙏🏻😊🖖🏻
Its a joke! He bashes this lens - whileas every other reviewer really liked it. I don't care, don't argue with Leica snobs. The lens is fine.
Thanks, 7 artisans was one of the reason I considered buying an OG A7, cheap full frame, cheap lens I decided to defer from it and got a RX1R. I was glad I did so, the thing has one of the most beautiful color out of sony I've ever had.
The RX1(R) (II) series are great, but the battery life is being absymal, the price is rediculous, and after some >10 years, it's worth next to nothing. Don't get me wrong - i am a Zeiss Shooter since the late 80's, i love Zeiss lenses, but Sony gear sucks, in terms of aging...into the end, it's just electronics, which is prone to failure, by design...within the years...Leica keeps it's value worlds better, than especially if its being mechanical only, one could repair it anytime, always, as long as there are spare parts being avialable. Leica still does a CLA for their old M series...go figure with Sony....CaNikon, etc...after some 5-7 years, especially >10 years, you're out of luck, and into the worst case - just own a very nice dust collector for the cabinet, or doorstop. 🙂
@@marcp.1752 new Leica is still all digital, they are as prone to electronically aging as any digital camera. They are just able to ver serviced, inky in cost about as much as buying another used digicam for others.
genuinely pleasurable stream of photos 😊
Come for Supper in Notting Hill!! 🤩
Can't go wrong with an honest review!
Hey, Jeff!😊
Really appreciate the honest review!
I gotta assume quality control issue? I picked one up for fun and use it around nyc. Its been pretty flawless. Well. Except flare resistance.
If I puke every time when a RUclipsr or a forum commenter sugarcoats "bad optics" as "character", I would've been able to stay in shape even if I eat food with "character" every day with a 30-year-old man's metabolism.
I enjoy your honesty, thank you.
😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
"As in; Empty the bank account to buy the body alone...Dont Do It!"
I wish i had heard that back in December when I walked off the M Series cliff.
Oh well. I don't really need to retire.
And if I'm going to drop dead working with a camera in my hand, it will be my M11
Well, it is mine. Maybe because I did get it calibrated. And I like the results. I even like the off focus dof more than my 35mm Summaron and that lens is less sharp, and has lower contrast. Guess what helps, I shoot this lens on a M8, so crop sensor. And I use the M8 prime for B&W. Maybe because I am a 35mm film shooter, I love how much detail this combi is giving me. And I love the greytones and contrast.
And saying that, also wanna say I think the build quality is great, focus smooth and damping is great. The mount is perfect. So yeah I LOVE this lens.
The calibration is a thing for some, but hey, the Leica RF don’t like a bump, and are not unknown to be off, so why shoot Leica when you can’t except some things need calibrated 😛😛😛
I cannot use this 7artisans 35mm f2 full frame fixed prime lens on my Sony A7R III. Is there any way i can use this lens on my camera? Please somebody help me!
Thank you for your thoughts on these lenses, I assume that your points are even more visible due to the large sensor and megapixel count of the M11
Correct.
Thanks Hugh - and I had been thinking it was just me…!
First off, I love your channel. I may have been blessed by the lens Gods because I bought this lens several months ago for my M-P240. The very first frame I shot of my wife tending her English garden, in difficult lighting poleaxed me. The contrast, color rendition, sharpness and character of the image were superb. That image was shot at f2. Since then that lens has stayed on the camera and every single image has stayed true to that first one. I finally took it off yesterday because my beloved 50mm Summicron was threatening to leave home. I agree wholeheartedly TTArtisans lenses are better and I have lots of them. I hope 7Artisans take your review in sharp focus (Oy, a pun) and up their game, because having a QC team spend 20 minutes on each lens and add 10 bucks to the price will deliver a very fine lens. The fact that they knew those lenses were going to to YOU for review wins the stoopid ribbon of the year and your negative review is well-deserved.
I got it out of interest in early January. It did the same to me. Crisp and sharp. But, for the money, I wouldn't have minded if I had to tweak it. I didn't.
(I don't care what other people think about what kit I use or why either!)
Great video as ever Hugh. Just received my Leica SL Ltd. Edition RockandRoll strap you mentioned a few months back. The red dot motif is really cool. ATB, J
sorry you did not enjoy the 35mm from 7artisans, while I agree that it should not be your first lens, I have enjoyed them as being good second lenses, I used a 55mm from them yesterday, and if you did not care about 100% keepers you could get some fine images.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I wanted to try some experimenting with a manual wide angle lens on my Sony A7R4 and decided to get a Carl Zeiss Jena DDR Flektogon 20mm f/2.8 Red MC Lens (M42 mount) because my research indicated this would be a fun lens. I purchased the TT Artisans f/0.95 50mm (e mount) to experiment with the 0.95 aperture, and it was a nightmare to hit focus wide open (likely due to my lack of skill or experience). The TT Artisans f/0.95 50mm was an interesting lens (no, I'm not bashing it as it was really interesting and challenging to use), but I found the Carl Zeiss Flektogon 20mm much easier to hit focus as a manual lens. I preferred the results and ease of functionality of the 20mm.
Overall, I'm a fan of autofocus, so my go-to is my Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2 Sony just for ease of use, and it works well enough for me in low light situations.
Personally, I'd rather buy a vintage lens or a modern autofocus lens than buy glass that just doesn't work if I wanted to get experimental. That said, I fully agree with doing research before pulling the trigger, which is why I enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for another great video.
Yes, should always do your homework when buying lenses. I seem to have a bad habit of collecting them (as my wife puts it) but at least I try to learn as much as I can before buying...and of course all these purchases are always much needed 😉. Already scouting some Fujifilm lenses if I choose to go that way as well. Thanks for the honest and to the point vid, Hugh.
what about using it on... let's say an APS-H 10MP Leica M8 or M8.2 ? I found that if some of my older Nikkor lenses were rather soft on my 24MP fujifilm cameras, they were tack sharp on my 12MP full frame D700
I wasn't especting a lens on that lens mount and at that price to be able to resolve a 61MP sensor in the M11 anyway (although, 7artisan did set up the expectation of extremely sharp glass at affordable prices. Their 25mm f/1.8 lens that you can find for Fuji X / MFT / Sony E mounts is one of the sharpest lenses I own and yet I paid like 80 bucks brand new for it)
Thanks for the frank review. They are precisely what I need to see.
I had purchased a TT Artisans-M 50 mm f/1.4 lens last year for use on en eventual M11, but tested it on a digital Leica CL and SL2. It wasn’t as low IQ as the two 7 Artisans lenses you described here, but I decided to sell it. It’ll get replaced first by a Voigtländer VM APO-Lanthar 50 f/2 (next week) and later a Leica Summilux-M 50 f/1.4.
Hugh...Another wonderful, educational and truly entertaining video... However, one minor note purely from a syntactical point of view "" should have been simply ""... In quasi - HTML it would have been simply "" for begin rant and " for end rant with the backslash "/" signifying the ending marker. That said in simpler XML you probably would gotten away with [RANT] in pairs signifying beginning and end...😊
LOVE IT! Thanks for the correction!
Very excellent! I don’t mind calibrating a lens, but if I’m using a film camera this is a ridiculous process. I’m hoping that your honest evaluation will spur 7Artisans to do better. TTArtisans has been doing well in creating lenses that are pretty respectable in comparison to the Leica M-mount lenses that are logarithmically more expensive. Competition in this market is a good thing.
Hello Hugh, quick question. Would you recommend I sell my Leica M10 as buying power to get the new M11? I was originally going to upgrade to the M10-R but others who own the M11 and have owned an M10-R recommended that move given I’m not gonna mind the loss of the bottom plate. I personally don’t mind, my SL type 601 has the same battery design and I like it. Plus USB-C charging would be really nice. I know how to clean my own camera sensors so the M11’s sensor being exposed for metering isn’t a big deal. I use high quality Voigtlander lenses on my M10 and SL like the 50mm APO-Lanthar and new Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH Version 2. I personally can’t get myself to buy Chinese M lenses because of the reasons you’ve explained when voigtlander offers much better quality and lenses come calibrated already.
Thanks for any feedback!
I’d suggest going straight to the ‘11. But you already knew that. 😜😊🖖🏻
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your thoughts on this, being (frankly) the most honest and blunt review of a 7artisans product I've found to date. To take your bluntness to my levels, they are frankly crap, and while you called it a homage to Leica, I call them cheap knockoffs and rip offs. I've seen MANY reviews professing how good they are because of the "character" they bring to your image (which I've found is often a cop-out for shit image quality), and had countless debates with people who profess these things are the best ever, and worthy of being put on a Leica camera, when nothing is further from the truth. My counterpoint is always, if you buy a $6k+ camera from a famous brand, why would you stick a piece of knockoff crappy glass on it? Like people who buy a $2k iPhone 14 Pro Max with all the trimmings, but then charge it with a $4 Amazon knockoff charger and blame Apple when the battery explodes 6 months later (my rant off)... Please keep up this level of honest integrity and honesty with everything you do, the industry sorely needs a LOT more people like you!!! Love the channel and your work!
😊🖖🏻🙏🏻
Agree 100% with your point of view: everybody has their own requirements and quality standards. To me as well this lenses are crap and I wouldn't trust any RUclips reviewers when it comes to evaluating lenses; after 37 years in photography I've learnt the hard way that you get what you pay for. And I don't consider Hugh a RUclips reviewer but a photographer who knows what he's talking about.
@alessandropugliese2123 😊🙏🏻🖖🏻
i. don't think the people you mentioned at 5:30 is going to watch this kind of videos lol
Well, besides your dislike of some Congressional people, the review set a new standard. You compare any lens with a Apple or other phone and if the image qualities are not there, then junk it. As for Congress … no let’s not go there.
All that said, I've come aruond to the view that third party lenses aren't necessarily silly anymore. Just a VERY few years ago, they all had terrible form factors and weak even by 40 years ago standards performance. Now, (especially Voigtlander's) some are worth consideration. I bought the Voigtlander 35mm f2 Ultron II as a temporary replacement for my "V1" 8-element Summicron. (Supposedly "the best 35mm ever made" - it certainly wasn't - but arguably the best handling 35 ever made) I may keep it. It's form factor is nearly identical to the 8-element and it performs better (sharper, more contrast, more even across the frame but still with a touch of "character" that vaguely reminds of the vintage lens.) The Voigtlander APO is by all accounts even better but it's a beast. Since my fingers have to operate the thing, that's a showstopper for me. (Some people online knock Voigtlaner lenses for uneven sharpness across the frame. I haven't seen that on this lens. Although, I can't say I've ever really seen that with ANY lens EVER in the real world except on copy jobs. And even I don't shoot copy jobs wide open. Which isn't to say that I haven't ever. But that's another story :-) Oh... obviously, the current Leica APOs are way better (I've only ever shot the 50). But they cost, well, a lot.
This dovetails with your Pani 50mm Vs leica x 8 $$the price...I use MFT studio tripod ..results are pin ..YET UTube taling heads soft down image quality ..Vanitry"..and yellow up..Full frame footage looks 720p This offers NO authentisity to their lens reviews..This dosent appear on 3BM&E.....I enjoy your well considered content and thoughts and ideas....Excellent ...and Thank you
take into consideration sample variance.
Valid - but also disturbing.
Maybe not the best time to fund China
You perfectly reflect my thoughts on why ANYONE would buy cheap glass to put on a Leica body.
Moreover... pretty much no one buys a Leica body (overstated) for the body... they buy one for the LENS. The glass is the magic, they always have been. Yes, I know I'm overstating this but, this is my own mileage.
there are tons of old screw mount Leica lenses to be had at a "reasonable" price and they WILL give you that look of character.
@@SlotCarNewsOfficial wrong. I wanted a digital rangefinder. My choice (at the time) was just Leica. Not sure I'd buy a Pixii now either as I want to play with w-i-d-e angles sometimes.
@@FFVoyager so an expensive camera with a coke bottle optic, got it. I suggest you look at older leica glass like screw mount lenses that would be much better that these cheap Chinese lenses
@@SlotCarNewsOfficial amazingly I'm neither asking for nor need your ignorant 'advice'. 🙄
Everyone has different use cases, expectations and budgets for lenses, L-mount or otherwise. Some shoot film, some high res digital. I honestly don’t see why Hugh agreed to review this lens review since he knew he’d be forced to trash it. Poor taste. And the iPhone bit was just silly, comparing software sharpened photos from a smartphone to the actual resolving power of a lens is an odd flex.
Wrong. If I’d already known, I wouldn’t have wasted my time - or anyone else’s.
Great video 👌 what’s the point in buying a Ferrari then putting bicycle tyres on it ?😅
1st ❤