I know Im randomly asking but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid lost the login password. I love any assistance you can give me!
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Agreed. It is entertainment mostly, although they have some good surprises every once in a while. I watch this channel, plus L1 Techs, Willie Howe, Crosstalk, etc, for more 'ok so this is the subtle detail I was missing' plus the 'how to do it right' content :) - leaving out a lot of channels here, but each has their place.
What I like so far about the design of this case is that it looks like it was designed to avoid e-waste as much as possible. IE, you can swap out or replace every part without having to toss anything else with it. I really like that.
I ordered a barebones 45 drive case a few years ago to customize how I wanted. Love the case, trying to get them to quote me a Stornado barebones so I can build it how I want.
That is a really interesting server. Also great they have the software part for it. 45drives make a nice product! Great to see that nothing is proprietary (only backplanes and holders) So in the future you can modify what you need by yourself
Awesome video! You laid it out so well why the 45Drives' Storinators rock. We are proud to be their case manufacturer. :) (One point of clarification: While Protocase was the original prototype enclosure manufacturer for Backblaze, Backblaze has used a different manufacturer for its rackmount enclosures for a long time now. They've got a great blog post that lays it all out: www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html)
This is why I love Tom’s videos, informative, useful and as concise as possible with giving all necessary basic info in a very simplistic and visual way 👍🤘
Great video and it’s great to see commodity components and open source software. The fact Backblaze offers better pricing than most of their competitors also speaks to this being a cost effective approach compared to Dell, HP, etc. Anyone who reads the Backblaze hard drive reliability reports knows they’re not a typical provider but, thanks to this video, I learned more about their approach.
Sad to say, but if they use screws, I'm sold. No, seriously, screw plastic snaps and such. Hope they make one half size at some point, would love an alternative to truenas.
Cool Video..I Dont Have Any SuperMicro X11 Bords But I Do Have 3-4 X8 & X9 Mother Bords & Mine Are EATX Or XLATX But Mine Are Dual Xeon Bords ! And Yes I Love 45 Drives As Much as the next Server Enthusiast & Really Want One With My Name/Logo Or A Cool UnRaid/Plex Or Freenas/Plex Version..I Think It Would Look Super Bad As* For a Home Server ..Yes Over Kill But Isnt Than What being a Enthusiast is all about..lol.
most of the enterprise storage systems have dual controllers redundancy that means the hard drives and storage system are designed to avoid a single controller failure i dont see this option being available in the configuration the bottleneck in alot of the storage systems, is starting to be networking and hardware resources. you are seeing solutions for lowering latency and cpu cycles, RoCE with 100G ethernet will become common place. you can easily saturate alot of the current ethernet connections with nvme storage. these systems do not have a lot of options for networking (no 100G) and make no mention of the cards installed in the configuration (ie RoCE support). for 45 disks with SSD caching or tiering options for 45, this is disappointing. people forget when your buying for businesses, you are buying both hardware software and support for the products lifecycle. dell emc, hpe, hitachi, pure storage and all have mission critical onsite support whereas with highly trained technicians will respond to any business outage to get you back online. from what i can tell this product from 45 drives offers no direct support from the OEM outside "live support" that must be supplemented through a third party support like surprise Lawrence Systems. when you get into these solutions you are getting to engineer your own solution great, however the critical support will vary widely and part availability from the third support party this can mean lots downtime and while you wait for replacement parts. i wouldnt be comfortable buying this personally even though the technology looks interesting. its too much risk, i rather go with vendor would support that has a fully engineered solution, that will support both the hardware and software in cases issues occur. the cost of alot of the enterprise storage systems is the support, and getting next business onsite and 4 hour support options is a lifesafer and limits the downtime for the business. outages are expensive for businesses lost sales and revenue, downtime can have significant costs into millions for large companies. if you need that much storage, i would seriously look at what you are storing there and what is the RTO and RPO for failures. if you can tolerate outages waiting for part replacement into days or weeks and support that is fractured between different vendors without clear ownership of support issues. i would rather pay extra to have a single vendor and a fully engineered solution with ownership end to end to help handle all support issues including critical incidents to get your business back online as soon as possible.
Hey @@hiddeninthewires2308 thank you for the detailed comment. For clarity, 45Drives is an established enterprise storage vendor. We offer direct support to both the software and hardware of your storage system. 45Drives is the only company to have adopted full hardware/software support for open-source storage systems. We will source your replacement parts, troubleshoot, etc., We understand the needs of the enterprise customers we sell to, with downtime being mission critical. We offer highly-available Ceph clustering solutions (also fully supported for both hardware and software) to ensure RTO and RPO objectives are met. Our engineers work with companies to understand their needs to ensure the systems we help implement will be up to any challenges they face. Our open-source designs offer an advantage in sourcing replacement parts, and our systems are software-defined and use commodity hardware. This means that customers can easily source their replacement parts in special circumstances, as there are no needless proprietary restrictions. Most times, though, we ship replacement parts to our customers. I hope this cleared that up for you. We are trusted by some of the world's biggest companies, Google, Intel, Amazon, Red Hat, Apple, etc., With over 20 000 customers worldwide. Our systems operate in the majority of the top educational institutes in the United States. Our support offering has been critical aspect in our success. Also, per the NIC cards, if you open up the "build and price" on our website, you can configure your system to have up to 3 additional cards, depending on the unit you selected. Thanks again for the comment.
@@45Drives there is no "direct" onsite support in your build listing. you may enter custom agreements for onsite support but you dont offer this on your website. the only support was limited hours of live support. I realize that clustering and highly available solution can mitigate outages when parts do eventually fail. however, the mean time to repair, can help mitigate and lessen the risk of a subsequence failure causing an outage. without onsite support and parts available waiting days is putting a business at risk. companies large enough in size may keep stock and parts on hand to do the replacement themselves and return the equipment, this means extra costs and support pressures. without knowing the details of your customers, some of them have there own storage solutions. they have probably partnered with you to build a hardware platform to run there own software solutions most customers do not have developers on hand and do not design there own storage software. this is why. for some customers but a lot of customers want the traditional enterprise onsite support and fully supported stack.
As much as I like this particular case design. If installing it in a rack and needing to hot swap drives. You would have to leave 4 RU worth of space above it. In order to take off the top and extract the faulty drive. Then insert a new drive.
Great Video and review Tom. Can their software or Cockpit allow for clustering many storage nodes together? Any failover with that to say that if a server hit the dirt that was in the cluster it would offline that problem node and allow for auto fail over? TIA
Once you have one of these up and running, How do you back them up off site without spending a kings ransom. It would cost me more than my dads mortgage payment to back up 420 terabytes off site.
Do they offer build your own with like 10 drives for an free license? For example if you want to try it out on your own hardware before dropping $$$ or for your home lab?
The base configurations come an SSD for booting. You can configure it with hard drives or buy it without and use your own. The custom software is all open source and free so no licenses required. You can put whatever OS you want on it.
depends on what you are aiming for local backup buy 2 and replicate across them with zfs replication if your trying to go off-site do the initial sync locally and then move off-site find a good network connection and hope you don't change out all the data in a day. cloud backups would probably be possible with someone like Backblaze but i don't want to pay that bill
@@tw3145wallenstein if you buy two of these, and both are at 90% usage, you can only keep one full backup. What if the file was deleted a week ago by mistake? That isn't enough backup IMHO. And offsite is extremely expensive and will take weeks to upload all that unless you have 10gb fiber
it takes some strategy when you have that much data to back up and your restore plan may have to involve physically moving servers to get the data back in a reasonable time.
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS But if you were making a project for a possible client that wants to backup their storinator with a couple weeks of versioning, what would be your proposal?
not sure what i find more disgusting these days. The server it self costing 4 thousand, or the thirty hard drives costing just over 21 thousand, and no one even blinks an eye at this kind of cost. No one blinks an eye that people "reviewing" this stuff will get to keep almost 30 grand worth of hardware for maybe 30 hours of their time!
Long-term reviews have their place with this stuff too including software support, after sale support, etc. I find these types of reviews far more useful than what you'd see in print twenty or thirty years ago. Consider as well the cost of advertising, and you'll see the value of this type of transaction for a company continues to climb as a single expenditure has residual ROI.
@@Mr.Leeroy if somebody gave me all the equipment, as they did here, 30 hours would be easy to make a video about it. Especially if you were doing video reviews on a regular basis.
@@spasmonaut10 what I am saying, is if the company is able to give hundreds of hard drives to people for reviews for free, then they shouldn't cost the average consumer half of what they are charging in stores. This should especially be taken into consideration when the cost of drives falls so fast. Five years ago a 256 gig ssd was over 400 bucks, today I bought one new for under 60.
45 Drives Origin Story
ruclips.net/video/CHt8pEmNaOo/видео.html
Storinator Re-Design: Direct Wired Backplanes
ruclips.net/video/WPIrYYbrS4U/видео.html
45 Drives Github
github.com/45drives
⏱️ Timestamps ⏱️
0:00 45 Drives Storinator Intro
1:28 Where and How to Buy
3:10 Hardware Specs
6:36 Directwire backplane
7:51 Airflow & Case Detail
9:47 How Loud is it?
10:26 Software Options
11:08 IPMI & HTML5 KVM
12:08 Houston Command Center
17:00 Creating ZFS Pools
25:00 Rack Mount Rails
I know Im randomly asking but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account??
I was stupid lost the login password. I love any assistance you can give me!
It's nice to see someone do a proper review of the storinator......meaning no disrespect to linus drop tips.
pfft. when it comes to enterprise hardware, Linus does an absolutely terrible job. (I also classify his channel entertainment too)
Linus has a different target demographic.
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Agreed. It is entertainment mostly, although they have some good surprises every once in a while. I watch this channel, plus L1 Techs, Willie Howe, Crosstalk, etc, for more 'ok so this is the subtle detail I was missing' plus the 'how to do it right' content :) - leaving out a lot of channels here, but each has their place.
What I like so far about the design of this case is that it looks like it was designed to avoid e-waste as much as possible. IE, you can swap out or replace every part without having to toss anything else with it. I really like that.
I ordered a barebones 45 drive case a few years ago to customize how I wanted. Love the case, trying to get them to quote me a Stornado barebones so I can build it how I want.
That is a really interesting server. Also great they have the software part for it. 45drives make a nice product! Great to see that nothing is proprietary (only backplanes and holders) So in the future you can modify what you need by yourself
If needed, you could even replace a backplane with cables if something broke and they did not have replacement parts anymore.
Upgradeable vs replaceable type of product. Love it
Awesome video! You laid it out so well why the 45Drives' Storinators rock. We are proud to be their case manufacturer. :)
(One point of clarification: While Protocase was the original prototype enclosure manufacturer for Backblaze, Backblaze has used a different manufacturer for its rackmount enclosures for a long time now. They've got a great blog post that lays it all out: www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html)
This is why I love Tom’s videos, informative, useful and as concise as possible with giving all necessary basic info in a very simplistic and visual way 👍🤘
Would be cool to see what kind of transfer speeds you get. Especially if you had this on a 10GbE.
Happy to see this broken down more. Can't wait to get one.
Great video and it’s great to see commodity components and open source software. The fact Backblaze offers better pricing than most of their competitors also speaks to this being a cost effective approach compared to Dell, HP, etc. Anyone who reads the Backblaze hard drive reliability reports knows they’re not a typical provider but, thanks to this video, I learned more about their approach.
I too love that its all open source and off the shelf hardware.
Supermicro released upgrade IPMI to HTML5 even on ancient LGA1366, so you don't even need to mention its support on their boards.
This was an amazing video I really like how they are using standard hardware as well as open source software.
Thanks!
I really wish they would sell the cases by themselves, so I could customise the system the way I want it.
I would love to get my hands on one of them. Some day..
Absolutely fantastic review Tom!
Glad you enjoyed it
27:14 ahh yes the classic red camo trouser - for those times you want to blend into mars
Instant like! I wanted to go to sleep but first lets watch this :D
Absolutely mandatory :D
Sad to say, but if they use screws, I'm sold. No, seriously, screw plastic snaps and such. Hope they make one half size at some point, would love an alternative to truenas.
That's freaking nuts!
Upgradeable vs replaceable type of products are the bee's knees
Cool Video..I Dont Have Any SuperMicro X11 Bords But I Do Have 3-4 X8 & X9 Mother Bords & Mine Are EATX Or XLATX But Mine Are Dual Xeon Bords ! And Yes I Love 45 Drives As Much as the next Server Enthusiast & Really Want One With My Name/Logo Or A Cool UnRaid/Plex Or Freenas/Plex Version..I Think It Would Look Super Bad As* For a Home Server ..Yes Over Kill But Isnt Than What being a Enthusiast is all about..lol.
That's a LOT of Snapshots 🤤
It looks a well-designed system with excellent gui, what is the performance like compared with comparable storage options?
most of the enterprise storage systems have dual controllers redundancy
that means the hard drives and storage system are designed to avoid a single controller failure
i dont see this option being available in the configuration
the bottleneck in alot of the storage systems, is starting to be networking and hardware resources. you are seeing solutions for lowering latency and cpu cycles, RoCE with 100G ethernet will become common place. you can easily saturate alot of the current ethernet connections with nvme storage.
these systems do not have a lot of options for networking (no 100G) and make no mention of the cards installed in the configuration (ie RoCE support). for 45 disks with SSD caching or tiering options for 45, this is disappointing.
people forget when your buying for businesses, you are buying both hardware software and support for the products lifecycle. dell emc, hpe, hitachi, pure storage and all have mission critical onsite support whereas with highly trained technicians will respond to any business outage to get you back online. from what i can tell this product from 45 drives offers no direct support from the OEM outside "live support" that must be supplemented through a third party support like surprise Lawrence Systems. when you get into these solutions you are getting to engineer your own solution great, however the critical support will vary widely and part availability from the third support party this can mean lots downtime and while you wait for replacement parts. i wouldnt be comfortable buying this personally even though the technology looks interesting.
its too much risk, i rather go with vendor would support that has a fully engineered solution, that will support both the hardware and software in cases issues occur. the cost of alot of the enterprise storage systems is the support, and getting next business onsite and 4 hour support options is a lifesafer and limits the downtime for the business. outages are expensive for businesses lost sales and revenue, downtime can have significant costs into millions for large companies.
if you need that much storage, i would seriously look at what you are storing there and what is the RTO and RPO for failures. if you can tolerate outages waiting for part replacement into days or weeks and support that is fractured between different vendors without clear ownership of support issues. i would rather pay extra to have a single vendor and a fully engineered solution with ownership end to end to help handle all support issues including critical incidents to get your business back online as soon as possible.
Hey @@hiddeninthewires2308
thank you for the detailed comment. For clarity, 45Drives is an established enterprise storage vendor. We offer direct support to both the software and hardware of your storage system. 45Drives is the only company to have adopted full hardware/software support for open-source storage systems. We will source your replacement parts, troubleshoot, etc.,
We understand the needs of the enterprise customers we sell to, with downtime being mission critical. We offer highly-available Ceph clustering solutions (also fully supported for both hardware and software) to ensure RTO and RPO objectives are met. Our engineers work with companies to understand their needs to ensure the systems we help implement will be up to any challenges they face.
Our open-source designs offer an advantage in sourcing replacement parts, and our systems are software-defined and use commodity hardware. This means that customers can easily source their replacement parts in special circumstances, as there are no needless proprietary restrictions. Most times, though, we ship replacement parts to our customers. I hope this cleared that up for you. We are trusted by some of the world's biggest companies, Google, Intel, Amazon, Red Hat, Apple, etc., With over 20 000 customers worldwide. Our systems operate in the majority of the top educational institutes in the United States. Our support offering has been critical aspect in our success. Also, per the NIC cards, if you open up the "build and price" on our website, you can configure your system to have up to 3 additional cards, depending on the unit you selected.
Thanks again for the comment.
@@45Drives there is no "direct" onsite support in your build listing. you may enter custom agreements for onsite support but you dont offer this on your website. the only support was limited hours of live support.
I realize that clustering and highly available solution can mitigate outages when parts do eventually fail. however, the mean time to repair, can help mitigate and lessen the risk of a subsequence failure causing an outage.
without onsite support and parts available waiting days is putting a business at risk. companies large enough in size may keep stock and parts on hand to do the replacement themselves and return the equipment, this means extra costs and support pressures.
without knowing the details of your customers, some of them have there own storage solutions. they have probably partnered with you to build a hardware platform to run there own software solutions most customers do not have developers on hand and do not design there own storage software.
this is why. for some customers but a lot of customers want the traditional enterprise onsite support and fully supported stack.
As much as I like this particular case design. If installing it in a rack and needing to hot swap drives. You would have to leave 4 RU worth of space above it. In order to take off the top and extract the faulty drive. Then insert a new drive.
No you don't, it's on rails that allow it to slide out.
Is the Houston Cockpit integrated with FBSD/TrueNas as well?
Linux only right now cockpit-project.org/
Great Video and review Tom. Can their software or Cockpit allow for clustering many storage nodes together? Any failover with that to say that if a server hit the dirt that was in the cluster it would offline that problem node and allow for auto fail over? TIA
Cockpit is a web management tool, not a clustering system.
Once you have one of these up and running, How do you back them up off site without spending a kings ransom. It would cost me more than my dads mortgage payment to back up 420 terabytes off site.
@Lawrence Systems What is that Cockpit plugin showing temp and health of the drives?
For a second or two I thought this was a LTT video from the thumbnail.
Tom: when you say "cockpit", since that's just a WebUI...do you know if they're using CentOS, Fedora, or CentOS Streams?
As I stated in the software section of the video, they are using Ubuntu but support other operating systems as well.
Found my answer; sounds like it used to be CentOS, but moving towards a multi-OS support model (via Ubuntu and Rocky Linux) going forward.
Wow
I have those same Exos drives
Do they offer build your own with like 10 drives for an free license? For example if you want to try it out on your own hardware before dropping $$$ or for your home lab?
The review was done using Ubuntu and Cockpit, both are open source and do not require a licence.
The base configurations come an SSD for booting. You can configure it with hard drives or buy it without and use your own.
The custom software is all open source and free so no licenses required.
You can put whatever OS you want on it.
27:33 Your welcome.
Anyone else screaming "pull the lever on the rail" at the screen lol
what are the IOPS for a system like this? were you able to collect those metrics?
This is HDDs. If it's IOPS you care about, you won't buy this.
How does this OS compare to TrueNAS?
Not much of an origin story if it doesn’t involve cosmic rays or radioactive arachnids.
True, those can make for some good fiction.
serious question, how would you backup 300TB?
depends on what you are aiming for local backup buy 2 and replicate across them with zfs replication if your trying to go off-site do the initial sync locally and then move off-site find a good network connection and hope you don't change out all the data in a day. cloud backups would probably be possible with someone like Backblaze but i don't want to pay that bill
@@tw3145wallenstein if you buy two of these, and both are at 90% usage, you can only keep one full backup. What if the file was deleted a week ago by mistake? That isn't enough backup IMHO. And offsite is extremely expensive and will take weeks to upload all that unless you have 10gb fiber
it takes some strategy when you have that much data to back up and your restore plan may have to involve physically moving servers to get the data back in a reasonable time.
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS But if you were making a project for a possible client that wants to backup their storinator with a couple weeks of versioning, what would be your proposal?
@@25566 you are 100% correct they are things that i overlooked in my 30 sec train of thought. Have a great day!
For your Plex Server? 😄
Haha - I may have one in my rack that, among other things - is handling storage for my Plex server :P
Gotta put all those movies somewhere.
Too much money for some people
Also a lot more storage than most people really has a use for, and here in Denmark the energy costs alone would be slightly off putting for me
exos eww
not sure what i find more disgusting these days. The server it self costing 4 thousand, or the thirty hard drives costing just over 21 thousand, and no one even blinks an eye at this kind of cost. No one blinks an eye that people "reviewing" this stuff will get to keep almost 30 grand worth of hardware for maybe 30 hours of their time!
sure, go spend 30h to achieve the same
This is such a confusing comment. So, in your world what do you think over 400TB Of storage should cost?
Long-term reviews have their place with this stuff too including software support, after sale support, etc. I find these types of reviews far more useful than what you'd see in print twenty or thirty years ago. Consider as well the cost of advertising, and you'll see the value of this type of transaction for a company continues to climb as a single expenditure has residual ROI.
@@Mr.Leeroy if somebody gave me all the equipment, as they did here, 30 hours would be easy to make a video about it. Especially if you were doing video reviews on a regular basis.
@@spasmonaut10 what I am saying, is if the company is able to give hundreds of hard drives to people for reviews for free, then they shouldn't cost the average consumer half of what they are charging in stores. This should especially be taken into consideration when the cost of drives falls so fast. Five years ago a 256 gig ssd was over 400 bucks, today I bought one new for under 60.