Hearing Doug really go in depth with this amp is so cool. As someone who’s been playing Mark Series amps for 5 years now. This still had some real gems in terms of dialing these amps.
Glad to finally see Doug explaining the amp. I could never afford an original model but loved my two studio preamps and rev A Mark IV. The V was a bummer personally but my new VII is incredible and I’m using it now for channel content.
Doug, thank you so much for the in depth explanation. I have a MKiic from 1983. the cleans are my favorite. I have been on the fence about the plus mod but I love it just fine. This is now my reference to dial it in. Greatest thanks!
I don't understand why anyone cared at all how they marketed the amp when it was released. The amp sells itself because it's legendary and everyone already knows the deal.
It would take a whole series on Mesa amps where Doug West explains how to use the setup. Mesa makes great apms, it's just that most people don't know how to set them up properly.
Mad respect to Mesa/Gibson for being so responsive to the feedback, but they shouldn’t bend the knee so quickly to all the internet trolls. Most people who actually buy gear don’t care that the first video wasn’t a thrash tribute. You guys are doing a fine job - internet commenters will always take cheap shots and try to gain attention.
I hoping we would get this kind of video with Doug going over everything! So cool. Great for the people that have no experience either the mark series to learn and skip the frustration of learning to dial the amp
Congrats to all the Mesa/Boogie and Gibson teams that helped bring this classic back to the modern era for a new audience of players can enjoy and create! \m/
This is one of the most versatile Swiss Army amps of all time. Just because you don't like a particular tone they dialed in for a video, doesn't mean Gibson/Mesa Boogie doesn't know what they're are doing... Selling this as a just a metal amp is a horrible marketing idea and honestly it would be a disservice to how amazing this amplifier actually is.
Agree. We all know the chug chug stuff this thing is famous fpr. Problem with these was always that you needed two to have a tonal variety live. Or get a Mark IV. (which I always thought sounded better even for the high gain stuff).
As I’m listening to them talk about the graphic EQ, and being a happy owner of a Mark 5-25; it is very possible to use the graphic EQ as your favorite metallica rhythm sound like the classic master puppets to black album sound that I love, and disengage the EQ for mid range focused solo sounds, or get a good nasty chunky kill em all type of sound like the song whiplash. That is my Mesa Boogie using advice for the classic metallica sounds that very much informed my purchase of said amp.
I really interesting thing about the Mark Series presence control is that while yes it sounds good run lower, if you dime it and pull some of the harsh highs out with the 6600 slider, you can get a really wide open percussive high gain tone.
As a classic rock guy, i never used the EQ for tone shaping on my Boogie, only ever used it as a level boost for solos. The non-EQ Boogie is basically a high gain Princeton, which is perfection for old school RAWK.
The guitarist isn’t consistent enough with his playing to really gauge the difference in the clean settings. Doug tells him to play some chords, and he starts noodling. CHORDS MF! DO YOU KNOE THEM?
I love these videos from you Mesa, educational for future buyers. I would like some variety in the official videos, like you used to invite John Petrucci. And Jason Frankhauser (therealkillertone) wanted to make a demo, he asked us, his subs, to help, so please do your best.
So 45 minutes of presenting the amp in the modes that 98% of potential buyers dont care about and than some 5 minutes addressing main interest group with very poor settings in the mode that should kill but it just did not… Thank God for Ola Englund who in 20 seconds clearly demonstrated that this amp can do sound for which it was re issued. And I am really strongly controling myself to not express my opinion in more direct/honest way…
During recent interviews, Randall Smith claimed that an accurate reissue of the Mark IIc+ could not be done due to the availability of current components. I am curious what deviations were performed in the reissue?
@@Rummy73 lol, there are cheaper amps for any other sound. This is THE metal machine. That's like buying a Fender Twin and playing Sepultura through it.
WHY...just WHY...didn´t you kick off your 2C+ RI launch with THIS video? Do you realize how many people you have alienated with your initial presentation? You were sitting on GOLD! Literal GOLD! For real! You had it all! Delete my comment if you must, if this makes you angry. I am just holding up a mirror! But if you DO delete my comment, you would just prove my point.
Its so funny the whole thing about the dad-rock-allegation-thing. The 2C+ is not only a metal amp although it is its heritage. Yes it does thrash metal but it also does other things and thats whats this is about. If dad-rock is a problem why even bother with a real amp, i thought GenZ was all about DSP anyways. Quit bashing Mesa and Gibson already
I miss Andy Timmons on the guitar. Not to say this guy is bad he is also a fantastic player. Have a Mark V and seriously considering getting one of these.
Idk man, if you have a Mark V, you already have this inside of your mark V. Don't get me wrong, go ahead and get this amp if you want because it sounds sick, but if I had a gun to my head, I'd take a Mark V any day of the week over this, just more options.
Cool demo, if you sit around and pick chords out and do little wanky solo licks.... Where is the big heavy skull crushing thrash at because that is what MOST people bought this amp for. I don't get it. LOL
I am a metal guy...I am a Mark guy...I own 2 and have sold several...have to have the 2c+ eventually...(sold a Studio pre)....HATED the tone of that amp with the geq engaged,,,,it was MASSIVE before and the geq totally screwed it up...not to be critical (but being critical)...I know the geq isnt always created equal and have come to rely on an outboard eq for most of my tones lately ((ivb nd V owner)...guess it doesnt really matter as long as the base tone is there and it sure is....great playing and demo!!!
“Dialing in single coil clean” - with les paul. They even can’t encourage for their competitors and bring strat for this section. strat that can raise the sells of the amp but unlike Fender marketing, Gibson is so CLUMSY.
Why do they have a salesperson giving us sound examples?!? With so many legendary players who currently use or have used this amp, why don’t they just have them or someone who can actually play demo the amp for us?!? - Who’s in charge at Gibson???🤦♂️🤡
I’m sorry, but those mid-gain tones just don’t sound full or pleasant to my ears. He called the tone, “Smokey” that’s not what I want my guitar to sound like. It’s a Mark2c+, turn the gain up, dial the mids back a little and enjoy the sonic bliss this amp offers! Enjoy Destiny!
I know you guys are owned by Gibson but, come on, use a Fender or boutique brand with single coils and you can tell you were told not to mention the name Fender in the video. You guys ain't taking business away from each other as most guitarists prefer one or the other or have both guitars. Thanks for going over the liquid lead, chugging is cool but liquid lead is actually useful in all genres. I would like to see a demo of how you would gig with this one going from clean to rhythm to high gain lead in the same song. Ola did the chug test way better, yours sounds a little too thin.
Just once I'd love to see someone stop in the middle of their video and tune their bloody guitar instead of plowing through because the cameras are rolling.
This dude just cant play the same damn riff can he.... you cannot get a good idea for tones when the notes are always wanking around and never repeating.
Having one of the earliest DRG C+'s 1984, what I would have wanted explained to me here, but the video would have been hrs longer, is that, I wish Doug would have explained in more detail as to what is going on under the hood. For example, pulling the treble shift is introducing a 750pf cap and if you would want something a lil different maybe try x y z. To this day , I hardly hear any difference in my amp when I adjust the mid and bass pots. And yes, my amp has been in MB' s hands a couple times. I have to always have an overdrive pedal always on in front to make the amp sound halfway decent. From what I'm hearing here, not impressed.
Why was the indian man cutting doug off at the end and seemed like he was sick and tired of doing the demo and wanted to go outside and hit the vape?? Didnt even let doug have closing words..... does Doug work for this man?
@@Chugg.Norrisdon't have this new one.and probably won't. You can hear it in the comparison videos. Less.gain and not the same.bouncy feel. They evennsaynit in their comparison amdnin the comments. BTW .Im on my 7th Boogie which is a MarkV with the MKIic+ hardwood HRG Combo with EV speaker being my very first. I love Boogie amps. All mine are Randall Smith Era. If Gibson can do the real MKiic+ I'll probably buy 1 or 2.
In other words…we’ve built an amp we want to charge you $3600 that’s impossible to dial-in a usable sound unless you watch RUclips videos and use these exact settings. Ok, I got it.
Funny that the manufacturer is literally the worst at dialling in their own amp. I know why he leaves the EQ to last, he doesn't know how to dial it in.
53 minutes and not one second of « wooo it sounds awesome « it was ok at best . This can sound so much better . The problem is not the amp ………..At least people who are going to buy this are going to be surprised in the right way :-)
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Doug is such a passionate guy, you can just tell how much love he has for what he does. Great video and really helpful explanations of the controls!
We’re so glad you enjoyed it!
Please help how would I get to santana tone on a studio 22 and filmore 25 @mesaboogie
This is the video that should have dropped first. Great job!
I think Doug is the only guy in the world I would let adjust the knobs on my amp. He’s the dude 😁🤘🏻
And OF COURSE, Mike B !!!
Hearing Doug really go in depth with this amp is so cool. As someone who’s been playing Mark Series amps for 5 years now. This still had some real gems in terms of dialing these amps.
Exciting times, thanks Mesa!!! So many years of greatness and tones.
Our pleasure!
Glad to finally see Doug explaining the amp. I could never afford an original model but loved my two studio preamps and rev A Mark IV. The V was a bummer personally but my new VII is incredible and I’m using it now for channel content.
Good to see Doug. Gibson better not mess with this man
Great amp! Thanks for the deep dive video. Love my Mark V with the IIC+ mode.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Would love to see this exact same thing done with a Mark IV honestly.
Doug, thank you so much for the in depth explanation. I have a MKiic from 1983. the cleans are my favorite. I have been on the fence about the plus mod but I love it just fine. This is now my reference to dial it in. Greatest thanks!
I found an old Mark V demo and Doug is hell of a player. He should play more on Mesa reviews.
I love the Mark series amps, they are so versatile. I’m constantly discovering new combinations just by making slight adjustments.
I don't understand why anyone cared at all how they marketed the amp when it was released. The amp sells itself because it's legendary and everyone already knows the deal.
Yeah and they still have commercials for toilet paper. Why? 🤣
I think the complaints were mostly geared to how horribly awkward that original video was and how poorly planned it was.
Mesa always had cheesy sounding demos
I had been thinking the same thing lol
Sorry, but that's just a bad take. People wanted to see whether the newer amps recreated the sound of the original. Not every re-release is accurate.
It would take a whole series on Mesa amps where Doug West explains how to use the setup. Mesa makes great apms, it's just that most people don't know how to set them up properly.
Mad respect to Mesa/Gibson for being so responsive to the feedback, but they shouldn’t bend the knee so quickly to all the internet trolls.
Most people who actually buy gear don’t care that the first video wasn’t a thrash tribute.
You guys are doing a fine job - internet commenters will always take cheap shots and try to gain attention.
Appreciate you!
Very well said. I mean it can be used for way more than only “…And Justice for All tones.” The cleans sound fantastic.
I hoping we would get this kind of video with Doug going over everything! So cool. Great for the people that have no experience either the mark series to learn and skip the frustration of learning to dial the amp
Very wise words of advice about referencing the sound of the amp with and without eq. The same goes for everything else too.
So many classic sounds from one amp !
Please add all the push/pull pots, input volume, and OG simul-class to the next mark amp
Wow! This amp does the plexi sound really well! This might be the perfect cover all amp!
Congrats to all the Mesa/Boogie and Gibson teams that helped bring this classic back to the modern era for a new audience of players can enjoy and create! \m/
Awesome video idea - the more Doug the better!
Would like to see Kris doing the jams for a change - Dinesh can do the Gibson dad rock stuff
Dinesh, thank you and Doug for this instructive tour of the sounds on tap.
This is one of the most versatile Swiss Army amps of all time. Just because you don't like a particular tone they dialed in for a video, doesn't mean Gibson/Mesa Boogie doesn't know what they're are doing... Selling this as a just a metal amp is a horrible marketing idea and honestly it would be a disservice to how amazing this amplifier actually is.
Agree. We all know the chug chug stuff this thing is famous fpr. Problem with these was always that you needed two to have a tonal variety live. Or get a Mark IV. (which I always thought sounded better even for the high gain stuff).
I have my 2c+ for decades and never played a single note metal , this thing does it all , including a serious backache
As I’m listening to them talk about the graphic EQ, and being a happy owner of a Mark 5-25; it is very possible to use the graphic EQ as your favorite metallica rhythm sound like the classic master puppets to black album sound that I love, and disengage the EQ for mid range focused solo sounds, or get a good nasty chunky kill em all type of sound like the song whiplash.
That is my Mesa Boogie using advice for the classic metallica sounds that very much informed my purchase of said amp.
I really interesting thing about the Mark Series presence control is that while yes it sounds good run lower, if you dime it and pull some of the harsh highs out with the 6600 slider, you can get a really wide open percussive high gain tone.
Undisputed quality, I love Mesa Boogie
As a classic rock guy, i never used the EQ for tone shaping on my Boogie, only ever used it as a level boost for solos. The non-EQ Boogie is basically a high gain Princeton, which is perfection for old school RAWK.
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The guitarist isn’t consistent enough with his playing to really gauge the difference in the clean settings. Doug tells him to play some chords, and he starts noodling. CHORDS MF! DO YOU KNOE THEM?
I want one so bad. It’s next on the list.
I think we all would like to see Andy Timmons and Doug in this video!!!! Maybe you can do the same but with Andy???? Will be really nice !!!
Really great video, very helpful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I will use it to learn how to better understand my Neural DSP Mark IIc+ plugin. ;D
very excited to get one in the UK when I can
I love these videos from you Mesa, educational for future buyers. I would like some variety in the official videos, like you used to invite John Petrucci.
And Jason Frankhauser (therealkillertone) wanted to make a demo, he asked us, his subs, to help, so please do your best.
What about the uncontrollable microphonics when gain and drive are around 8??
This sounds great. Without the EQ it reminds me of incubus. You guys rock! Thanks guys! Very interested in a 7 vs 2c+ comparison.
When in doubt bring out the man himself
Any comment from Gibson and the joke of a CEO as to why fluff was let go as a Mesa artists for simply being honest?
Trying to save face with this video!!
Yngwie and many others turn their Bass control all the way off. This is precise
So 45 minutes of presenting the amp in the modes that 98% of potential buyers dont care about and than some 5 minutes addressing main interest group with very poor settings in the mode that should kill but it just did not… Thank God for Ola Englund who in 20 seconds clearly demonstrated that this amp can do sound for which it was re issued. And I am really strongly controling myself to not express my opinion in more direct/honest way…
During recent interviews, Randall Smith claimed that an accurate reissue of the Mark IIc+ could not be done due to the availability of current components. I am curious what deviations were performed in the reissue?
He's said it for years. More than a decade really.
50 years w/ Mesa. Can't dial the amp in.
What was the final amp that Randall ever designed for Mesa before he left?
Mark VII and/or Gibson Falcon.
What is happening in the manufacturing process that this amp took soo much money to make? $3,500.00? It should be a complete stack for that price.
Did Mr. Boogie make the head and Mr. Mesa make the cab?
cool video obviously, but why not tune the guitar? : )
What's the Les Paul? Like the look of it.
Les Paul Studio, in Blueberry Burst $1599.00 USD
Cool spiderweb elbow tattoo, Dinesh. The consummate salesperson.
How about a review where someone on screen owns a copy of And Justice For All ?
Pacino was great in that.
@ Alright, here is the “…”
Not everyone wants this amp for thrash metal
@@Rummy73
lol, there are cheaper amps for any other sound. This is THE metal machine. That's like buying a Fender Twin and playing Sepultura through it.
Sounds great! It's called a "coil split" btw. A "coil tap" is something completely different.
Possibly the most confusing tech on a guitar.
Ola got a better sound in 30 seconds 😁
I mean… he also owns an OG IIC+ so he already knows exactly where to go with it.
@@FastRedPonyCarso does Doug
lol it wasnt a race it was Doug showing exactly what the knobs do ....even though i agree with you (im a metalhead)
A better metal sound yes!
Where's the Damage knob? Looks as though youre also doing some damage control!
WHY...just WHY...didn´t you kick off your 2C+ RI launch with THIS video? Do you realize how many people you have alienated with your initial presentation? You were sitting on GOLD! Literal GOLD!
For real! You had it all! Delete my comment if you must, if this makes you angry. I am just holding up a mirror! But if you DO delete my comment, you would just prove my point.
Absolutely right.
Its so funny the whole thing about the dad-rock-allegation-thing. The 2C+ is not only a metal amp although it is its heritage. Yes it does thrash metal but it also does other things and thats whats this is about. If dad-rock is a problem why even bother with a real amp, i thought GenZ was all about DSP anyways. Quit bashing Mesa and Gibson already
Dad Rock with A Vengeance!
I miss Andy Timmons on the guitar. Not to say this guy is bad he is also a fantastic player. Have a Mark V and seriously considering getting one of these.
Idk man, if you have a Mark V, you already have this inside of your mark V. Don't get me wrong, go ahead and get this amp if you want because it sounds sick, but if I had a gun to my head, I'd take a Mark V any day of the week over this, just more options.
Please reissue the Mark IV Rev B.
And bring Mark Morton in to showcase it, shouldn’t be difficult since he’s a Gibson artist now
I liked it when players like Andy Timmons came to demo amps.
5000 canadiad dollars 😮🎉
Cool demo, if you sit around and pick chords out and do little wanky solo licks.... Where is the big heavy skull crushing thrash at because that is what MOST people bought this amp for.
I don't get it. LOL
I am a metal guy...I am a Mark guy...I own 2 and have sold several...have to have the 2c+ eventually...(sold a Studio pre)....HATED the tone of that amp with the geq engaged,,,,it was MASSIVE before and the geq totally screwed it up...not to be critical (but being critical)...I know the geq isnt always created equal and have come to rely on an outboard eq for most of my tones lately ((ivb nd V owner)...guess it doesnt really matter as long as the base tone is there and it sure is....great playing and demo!!!
The refusal to just do the thing is fucking impressive.
“Dialing in single coil clean” - with les paul. They even can’t encourage for their competitors and bring strat for this section. strat that can raise the sells of the amp but unlike Fender marketing, Gibson is so CLUMSY.
Why do they have a salesperson giving us sound examples?!? With so many legendary players who currently use or have used this amp, why don’t they just have them or someone who can actually play demo the amp for us?!? - Who’s in charge at Gibson???🤦♂️🤡
"A salesperson"
LOL
All good until the eq lol .......missed it again lol
I’m sorry, but those mid-gain tones just don’t sound full or pleasant to my ears. He called the tone, “Smokey” that’s not what I want my guitar to sound like.
It’s a Mark2c+, turn the gain up, dial the mids back a little and enjoy the sonic bliss this amp offers! Enjoy Destiny!
THIS...should have been the first vid Mesa...not the garbage Sweetwater one.
What a strange rollout for this amp.
Damage control
for the price of this amp Doug west should do free zoom help-hehe
Warm sounding amp , possibly better to use a Telecaster rather than coil tap on a humbucker guitar .
Just skip ahead to the 40 minute mark to hear the stuff everyone was wanting the first time around.
Not very impressive, what speakers were used ?
I know you guys are owned by Gibson but, come on, use a Fender or boutique brand with single coils and you can tell you were told not to mention the name Fender in the video. You guys ain't taking business away from each other as most guitarists prefer one or the other or have both guitars. Thanks for going over the liquid lead, chugging is cool but liquid lead is actually useful in all genres. I would like to see a demo of how you would gig with this one going from clean to rhythm to high gain lead in the same song. Ola did the chug test way better, yours sounds a little too thin.
How do you miss it so much….. shame on mesa
LESS TALK MORE DO.
Just once I'd love to see someone stop in the middle of their video and tune their bloody guitar instead of plowing through because the cameras are rolling.
They didn't demo my favorite thing.....the squeal mod.😂
This dude just cant play the same damn riff can he.... you cannot get a good idea for tones when the notes are always wanking around and never repeating.
The mane is gone.
Very complicated amp..in a small box. Very spicey pricey…
The amp sounds great, but the guitar is out of tune. A shame
Yikes…
Having one of the earliest DRG C+'s 1984, what I would have wanted explained to me here, but the video would have been hrs longer, is that, I wish Doug would have explained in more detail as to what is going on under the hood. For example, pulling the treble shift is introducing a 750pf cap and if you would want something a lil different maybe try x y z. To this day , I hardly hear any difference in my amp when I adjust the mid and bass pots. And yes, my amp has been in MB' s hands a couple times. I have to always have an overdrive pedal always on in front to make the amp sound halfway decent. From what I'm hearing here, not impressed.
Where is the original video 🤣🤦♂️
These guys don't know how to dial in a IIC+, and they work for Mesa. Every youtube Bedroom player gets better tones than them.
Why was the indian man cutting doug off at the end and seemed like he was sick and tired of doing the demo and wanted to go outside and hit the vape?? Didnt even let doug have closing words..... does Doug work for this man?
Too much and doesnt match the OG in gain or feel.
I bet you have neither............
@@Chugg.Norrisdon't have this new one.and probably won't. You can hear it in the comparison videos. Less.gain and not the same.bouncy feel. They evennsaynit in their comparison amdnin the comments. BTW .Im on my 7th Boogie which is a MarkV with the MKIic+ hardwood HRG Combo with EV speaker being my very first. I love Boogie amps. All mine are Randall Smith Era. If Gibson can do the real MKiic+ I'll probably buy 1 or 2.
In other words…we’ve built an amp we want to charge you $3600 that’s impossible to dial-in a usable sound unless you watch RUclips videos and use these exact settings. Ok, I got it.
Anyone that needs a video to show them how to dial in a tone on an amp isn’t even a real guitar player. They’re a social media faker.
This amp created metal in 1984
Thr jmp/jcm created metal. This amp was not very popular. Marshall is the king of metal and hard rock
buuuuut, metallica is the biggest metal band of all time and started using mesas early in their career
do it all you want. this, still does not sound like the OG.
Funny that the manufacturer is literally the worst at dialling in their own amp. I know why he leaves the EQ to last, he doesn't know how to dial it in.
Try to stop milking old hits, just come up with not tech !
Make it Murphy Lab. Darn, this is lame. Gibson is all about recycling
more money for less effort is still money
issues with the reissue lol
53 minutes and not one second of « wooo it sounds awesome « it was ok at best . This can sound so much better . The problem is not the amp ………..At least people who are going to buy this are going to be surprised in the right way :-)
Absolutely right.
Ahhh the amp that was the downfall of Metallicas tone
How can yall justify charging 4-5 thousand dollars for an amp head , I'd rather by a Chinese knockoff than give yall that much money