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I used to record drums in a small bedroom all the time. I was never happy about the results. Funnily enough i found an old recording i had done which included a mic i had put in the hall downstairs with the bedroom door open. Once i brought that fader up it sounded great. So yeah it really works.
For home recordists out there... I just got the best drum sound of my life in a normal sized room with nice reflective wooden floors and the door open to the hall. I don't have a gazillion mics so we used the overheads for the whole kit picture and honestly got the nicest tom sound I've ever had. If you're going for a more live organic rock feel then don't stress about making stuff dry, just experiment with what you have!
Hey Jordan, had the pleasure of recording in your first studio some 12 years ago and here you randomly popped up in my feed. Some great material here, great to see you're still doing what you love!
I’d like to hear the full kit with the hall mic but without the reverb that was added to the close mics, I feel like that’s the purpose of the room/hall mic. Also, using samples doesn’t give people a realistic impression of what you’ll get, so it’d be nice to hear just the actual mics with nothing but EQ and compression. I realize using samples and quantizing drums is standard these days, but then again maybe that’s part of the reason rock music is in the state it is. We’re doing this from home and all trying our hands at audio engineering, so don’t let “industry” norms dictate your approach. Sometimes shitty is seriously better, that’s all I’m saying.
Awesome tips, thank you! Also don't let this slide past you either: if you pause the beginning, it looks like he's got 2 mics on the kick, 3 mics on the snare, 2 mics on each tom 1 and 2, mono overhead and hi hat, then the stereo room mics, 13 inputs.
I must really be missing something, because I’ve never prepared any room I’ve set up in. I’m not sure why ppl think that matters so much, I record drums and live amps. I get ambience from reverbs lightly applied.
Great tips thanks. I had #1 room treatment sorted but I'm definitely going to reposition the OHs as cymbal mics and try a room mic just outside the door. Cheers
Foam works well I Record drums in a smaller room than that I get great sounding drums in my recordings Trick to it is the overhead mics height has to be lower to the kit and the distance has to be right
What's the reason to put two mics in the next room if the mics aren't going to be in front of the kit to actually catch the left and right side with each mic?Can you explain how that is set up?
This is a really helpful video, thanks! Some stuff I was already working towards with the deadening and room mic but the overheads tips was an eye opener, this should improve things!
Where do you point the mics in the closet? Did you point them towards the drums while in the closet or did you point the mics away from the drums? Thanks!
I think a single mono room mic would work just as well in a scenario like this, because in such a small space and behind a door, both mics are going to pick up the same thing. I.e., there's really not any appreciable "stereo" information to be picked up with the mics in that position.
This sounds good. I think your hallway is an ok replacement for a full tone and body of a drum / cymbal overtones. Everything trial and error but I found many vids and heard the difference in actually keeping a snare focused angle on all surfaces gives a uniform group of sound waves. Obviously we can use , eq etc on each mic for the proper capture. While pointing mic away isolates the “noise” of that cymbal, it actually picks up unwanted room reflections instead of the direct instrument sound/balanced sound reflection resonance. This method does require precise phasing / imaging of the sound but man it just ends up sounding great usually. For a quick method I do like this method in vid and his results are great. What do you think?
I watch Jordan’s channel regularly and can say that he does use samples but only as reinforcement. He does the best that he can with the real drums and blends in samples to give a little extra weight and punch in the mix.
The majority of the time Jordan uses samples very subtly, like 80% natural snare and 20% sample. Even less sometimes. This doesn’t sound ultra sampled to me personally, but I’m sure the drums are quantized. That’s just something everyone does now a days, but I don’t mind.
Не согласен, что в маленькой комнате оверхеды не работают. Пишу барабаны в заглушенной комнате площадью 10 квадратных метров, там оверхеды прекрасно пишут всю установку, а не только тарелки!
Good video. People focus way to much on the spot mics on drums when in reality the overheads and room mic (or mics) are what you need to get right for a great drum sound, 2nd to kit tuning and a good player of course.
ruclips.net/video/yEHjwk4JLyg/видео.html Thank you! I don’t know what all this talk is about? Just show the result, record the drums as cool as it was in the rainbow-83 album, especially in the song "Stranded"... Not working yet, sorry.
Keep in mind, lots a newbs start on this channel. I wish I was told about the "wildcard" mic when I started 5 years ago. The moment I threw up some mics outside my small room, made a huge difference.
@@akifakizieleo2364 graham made the channel good , now its really not what it was about this channel anymore soooooo yes not relevant anymore deal with it !!
Actually lets be honest it sounds like shit. Please Jordan stop saying things with such conviction. All of your videos are flawed in that way. Try being more like Rick Beato or Steve Albini. No wonder they're more successful!
Hey where'd Graham go? These are great tips for a specific kind of drum sound. Sometimes you might want a more homey feel to the drums. If you want to hear a Sonor kit w/coated heads recorded in a small basement room with just 2 vocal microphones, check out my new indie alternative track on Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/brendtwatson/heartbreak-recipe ...this part just kinda bugged me --> 5:20 because there's nothing wrong with using less mics for a different sound. I personally recommend the Glyn Johns method because I've always got killer tones that way. Definitely good to use close mics if you're not using any samples...that's not very common these days tho. Personally I prefer keeping the core elements limited to as few tracks as possible - plus 2 mics was just easier to setup than 8, and an efficient workflow leads to better results in my experience - but again, that's a specific style. Still a good video, thanks for sharing!
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I used to record drums in a small bedroom all the time. I was never happy about the results. Funnily enough i found an old recording i had done which included a mic i had put in the hall downstairs with the bedroom door open. Once i brought that fader up it sounded great. So yeah it really works.
For home recordists out there... I just got the best drum sound of my life in a normal sized room with nice reflective wooden floors and the door open to the hall. I don't have a gazillion mics so we used the overheads for the whole kit picture and honestly got the nicest tom sound I've ever had. If you're going for a more live organic rock feel then don't stress about making stuff dry, just experiment with what you have!
Hey Jordan, had the pleasure of recording in your first studio some 12 years ago and here you randomly popped up in my feed. Some great material here, great to see you're still doing what you love!
Tchad Blake actualy loves the sound of the drums recorded in a small room.
I’d like to hear the full kit with the hall mic but without the reverb that was added to the close mics, I feel like that’s the purpose of the room/hall mic.
Also, using samples doesn’t give people a realistic impression of what you’ll get, so it’d be nice to hear just the actual mics with nothing but EQ and compression.
I realize using samples and quantizing drums is standard these days, but then again maybe that’s part of the reason rock music is in the state it is. We’re doing this from home and all trying our hands at audio engineering, so don’t let “industry” norms dictate your approach. Sometimes shitty is seriously better, that’s all I’m saying.
Just in the nick of time! FANTASTIC! Thank you! :)
Awesome tips, thank you! Also don't let this slide past you either: if you pause the beginning, it looks like he's got 2 mics on the kick, 3 mics on the snare, 2 mics on each tom 1 and 2, mono overhead and hi hat, then the stereo room mics, 13 inputs.
I must really be missing something, because I’ve never prepared any room I’ve set up in. I’m not sure why ppl think that matters so much, I record drums and live amps. I get ambience from reverbs lightly applied.
Excellent tips. The hird with the behind the door mic is a brilliant idea.
The toms sound amazing!
Great tips thanks. I had #1 room treatment sorted but I'm definitely going to reposition the OHs as cymbal mics and try a room mic just outside the door. Cheers
This was a truly incredibly bit of content man. Keep up the great work. Love from London/England
Just stumbled upon this video. Curious what the ceiling height was in that small room you talked about.
Foam works well I Record drums in a smaller room than that I get great sounding drums in my recordings Trick to it is the overhead mics height has to be lower to the kit and the distance has to be right
WOW, thank you for the his insane breakdown!!!! So relevant for my drum recording business I’m in the process of improving.
What do you guys think about building a box where the "hall" mic would go??? Would that make a similar effect??
What's the reason to put two mics in the next room if the mics aren't going to be in front of the kit to actually catch the left and right side with each mic?Can you explain how that is set up?
Думаю, что одного микрофона хватит для атмосферы.
Love this, great vid Jordan!
Cheers Jordan!
EXTREMELY helpful!! Thank you so much for sharing this!
Great Info and ideas!
This is a really helpful video, thanks!
Some stuff I was already working towards with the deadening and room mic but the overheads tips was an eye opener, this should improve things!
is the hall way insulated of just open with no padding?
Amazing video!
Great sounding drums this time. Useful and detailed knowledge, and great examples of strategic thinking, too. Great to watch.
How were the stereo mics in mud room placed? Were they spaced pair XY, as example?
Thanks. But I gather all these tips are in addition to having spot mics on all drums, yes?
Good advice and thanks Jordan!
Hi Jordan , Thank your for sharing you setup with us , one question , your wild card Mike , how did you mix it into the stereo field ?
Where do you point the mics in the closet?
Did you point them towards the drums while in the closet or did you point the mics away from the drums?
Thanks!
Dope! Thanks Jordan! :)
These great for some under ground artists
What is the thought process behind stereo room mics when compared to mono? I see they are hard-panned, is that adding to the "size"?
I think a single mono room mic would work just as well in a scenario like this, because in such a small space and behind a door, both mics are going to pick up the same thing. I.e., there's really not any appreciable "stereo" information to be picked up with the mics in that position.
This sounds good. I think your hallway is an ok replacement for a full tone and body of a drum / cymbal overtones.
Everything trial and error but I found many vids and heard the difference in actually keeping a snare focused angle on all surfaces gives a uniform group of sound waves. Obviously we can use , eq etc on each mic for the proper capture. While pointing mic away isolates the “noise” of that cymbal, it actually picks up unwanted room reflections instead of the direct instrument sound/balanced sound reflection resonance.
This method does require precise phasing / imaging of the sound but man it just ends up sounding great usually.
For a quick method I do like this method in vid and his results are great.
What do you think?
What if you carpet the walls and ceiling?
Really appreciate the advice. Thanks
Did he used Drum Samples ? 🤔
How important is it to center the snare in the overheads if you're high passing most of it out?
phase issues
Good, thanks
Hi Jordan! Great stuff, how did you set up the mudroom mics?
Awesome tips! But I must ask... how much of that example was sampled? The snare to me sounded ultra-sampled and quantized
99.9%
I watch Jordan’s channel regularly and can say that he does use samples but only as reinforcement. He does the best that he can with the real drums and blends in samples to give a little extra weight and punch in the mix.
The majority of the time Jordan uses samples very subtly, like 80% natural snare and 20% sample. Even less sometimes. This doesn’t sound ultra sampled to me personally, but I’m sure the drums are quantized. That’s just something everyone does now a days, but I don’t mind.
Не согласен, что в маленькой комнате оверхеды не работают.
Пишу барабаны в заглушенной комнате площадью 10 квадратных метров, там оверхеды прекрасно пишут всю установку, а не только тарелки!
how did you make those close mics sound so big by themselves?
samples
@@ChrisTian-ko8nc not only, it takes a lot of compression, EQ and saturation on the close mics as well
Good video. People focus way to much on the spot mics on drums when in reality the overheads and room mic (or mics) are what you need to get right for a great drum sound, 2nd to kit tuning and a good player of course.
What happened to graham?
My room is 72sqft. Cool?
🙌🏾
@1:15 "So how do we get those kind of results out of a small room?" I swear if he says samples...
ruclips.net/video/yEHjwk4JLyg/видео.html
Thank you!
I don’t know what all this talk is about? Just show the result, record the drums as cool as it was in the rainbow-83 album, especially in the song "Stranded"...
Not working yet, sorry.
Hello! I'm searching for a rock drummer for online collabs. Let me know if interested!
I'm for hire.
Symbol lol
Would have really liked to hear it without the samples!😌
Don't deaden the room, use abfusers and tube traps
Well feel like this channel is not relevant anymrore .
Keep in mind, lots a newbs start on this channel. I wish I was told about the "wildcard" mic when I started 5 years ago. The moment I threw up some mics outside my small room, made a huge difference.
Say whatever you want but for a fact Graham has helped lot of us audio hobbyist since a decade ago. Come on show some respect man..
You don't understand what les3barbes is saying at all. This is not newb or low budget content. Has not been for a little while.
@@akifakizieleo2364 graham made the channel good , now its really not what it was about this channel anymore soooooo yes not relevant anymore deal with it !!
Actually lets be honest it sounds like shit. Please Jordan stop saying things with such conviction. All of your videos are flawed in that way. Try being more like Rick Beato or Steve Albini. No wonder they're more successful!
No offense your drums sound great but a little bit generic
Hey where'd Graham go? These are great tips for a specific kind of drum sound. Sometimes you might want a more homey feel to the drums. If you want to hear a Sonor kit w/coated heads recorded in a small basement room with just 2 vocal microphones, check out my new indie alternative track on Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/brendtwatson/heartbreak-recipe ...this part just kinda bugged me --> 5:20 because there's nothing wrong with using less mics for a different sound. I personally recommend the Glyn Johns method because I've always got killer tones that way. Definitely good to use close mics if you're not using any samples...that's not very common these days tho. Personally I prefer keeping the core elements limited to as few tracks as possible - plus 2 mics was just easier to setup than 8, and an efficient workflow leads to better results in my experience - but again, that's a specific style. Still a good video, thanks for sharing!