NuPhy Air75 V2 vs LoFree Flow vs Keychron K3 Pro
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- The competition for 75% low-profile wireless mechanical keyboards is heating up - in this video I reflect on one month using the NuPhy Air75 V2, the LoFree Flow and the Keychron K3 Pro.
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Will there be special discountsnfor black friday?
Great comparison!! I've been in the market for a low profile mechanical keyboard and it was nice having the comparisons for these 3 popular options all in one video
Thanks! I hope it’s helped you make up your mind 👍
Just the video I was looking for. Great review, much appreciated.
Air v2 = best range of features, particularly the keymapping. Good power management. Keys still sound slightly 'clackety'.
Lofree = best feeling/sounding typing action (once O rings are added). Best quality, heaviest (2.5g) keycaps. Good power management. Feeble backlighting (though that's really due to Lofree's choice of keycaps which aren't shine through - you can actually fit Nuphy shine through key caps to these). Lacks other features eg. changing F-key default, media keys, no key mapping etc.
K3 = worst keyboard here with flimsy keycaps, atrocious power management, terrible wake from sleep etc. Flimsy, cheap feeling and rattling when typing.
Good review I am looking at similar products it seems the K3 also has the MAX version now with 2.4ghz.
Really appreciate the MX Master click for reference!!
Thanks for the feedback - I’ll make sure to keep that moving forward.
Had both the K1 and K2 keychrons in the past. This review confirmed it's time to give NuPhy a shot. Anything to no longer feel the permanent shine on the ABS keycaps on my Logitech MX Mechanical Mini.
I tried the MX Mechanical Mini and hated it, returned it immediately. The keycaps started to shine almost the second I first typed on them, the quality of them is simple awful + the tactile switches were horribly brittle and overly clacky to type on. You are paying £150 for a mini keyboard that has great connectivity and battery life with literally nothing else. I built my own custom (although not mini) keyboard for about £180 and it is 10x better to type on.
Best review I’ve found. Perfectly succinct!
Thanks, I’m really glad you think so
Just ordered a LoFree flow. Love that sound 😍 The plan is to replace my Keychron K2, which is decent enough, but a little loud and clacky (frankly I find the sound annoying), and I've never fully bonded with the typing experience (brown switches). I have high hopes!
the sound from Lofree just so premium and so much better than nuphy and k3
Wrong
I bought a K3v2 earlier this year and subsequently lubed the crap out of it, insulated it with foam, and fitted the backplate with some 3d printed stops.
Having used the K3 pro, I would absolutely recommend the K3v2 with some work instead. The price is unbeatable for this level of quality.
I presently use the NuPhy Halo 96 which I enjoy very much. However, it is not a traveling keyboard,it is very heavy. I am eying adding the Air V2.
This explains why I really disliked the K3 Pro when I tested it - those keys are literally rattling around on the board. It's so noisy!
I haven't ever had a mechanical keyboard before & I did quite a bit of research & I ordered & am waiting to receive the Nuphy 75v2 with the Brown Switches.
I just started researching last week and made the exact same purchase today. Keyboard brothers.
@@alexbowe2316 Nice 👍 I got the notification that mine shipped yesterday
Wow, I just did research and bought the V2 also. I’ve been using the Corsair strafe for six years.
Bought it today as well. I have basically never used such keyboard before other than a laptop keyboard. Done.a ton of research and apparently the NuPhy one seems the way to go, especially if you're used to low profile like I am. Pretty excited to receive it. Let me know how you like it?
How has your experience been with brown switches? I ordered mine today with cowberry switches hoping its thocky and quiet
Got all three of them (except my Air75 is v1). Have to say that in terms of typing, sound and overall feel the Flow is significantly better, the difference is really noticeable. And there is no prob to remap the keys with Karabiner or similar software. K3 pro is also very nice though, I just love the floating keycap design. Gonna sell Air75
May I know which kind of switch did you bought for Flow?
Great review! I own the lofree flow with linear switches and am waiting on my v2. The one negative about the flow is that it offers less than the v2 and the V2 works out to being cheaper than the lofree (lofree lacks the wireless dongle, no adjustable feet, smaller battery life, and no rgb) but that said, the sound of the keyboard is just SO good that I think it honestly makes up for it. I love typing on it. The v2 will be my gaming keyboard, I got the cowberry switches :)
What are your thoughts on the v2 versus the lofree?
@flarierza33 I enjoy my v2 a lot but for different reasons to the flow. V2 is better for gaming for sure and the switches seem quicker than the linears on the lofree. Lofree still offers the better sound, more creamy compared to v2. I really only use the flow to hear it haha otherwise the v2 does everything I need it to.
Hey thanks for replying. What switches did you get with your nuphy? Red/brown/blue or one of their customised ones? @@echo021
Thanks
You rock the Logitech MX master mouse but didn’t compare the MX mechanical mini to these 3 keyboards?
Great video, but a sound test comparison would be best with same switches.
That would be best, unfortunately, the switches weren’t compatible between all of them 👍
I wish the Air had replacement keycaps for ISO layouts.
Without them, I’m pretty much forced to get the K3 (not a bad choice mind you).
Would have loved to see some battery longevity comparison, I mean... they are all wireless after all, so it kind of matters.
Living in Denmark just makes the keyboard hobby so limited, there are so many cool keebs but shipping and layout support just takes a huge blow
Same in Canary Islands…
Me in South Africa 💀
I'd have been cool to add the Visless lp85 to the comparison.
Got a lofree flow a few months ago. The experience has been awesome, the quality and feel are insane
Not being able to remap keys is cringe as hell, but I've worked my way around it, so it does not bother me anymore
Also it's just the most tasteful mechanical keyboard I've ever seen
I have the K3 low profile keyboard, and it makes my fingers hurt because it bottoms out too easily. It makes me hesitant to try another low profile keyboard, but the Air looks nice. Was using white switches with the K3.
That’s a fair point about the travel range of low-profile keyboards. Something I suspect you’ll run into with most, so ya, I would recommend trying a higher profile keyboard rather than a low-profile one. More options in the high-profile category as well (from these brands and others) ✌️
I've personally been using the K3 with red switches for over a year now. My main gripes with it have been the lack of a USB dongle & not being able to lock the RGB key. I accidentally hit it all the time & it's so annoying! Just ordered the Air75 V2 in Black with Cowberry & I can't wait!!
Thanks for sharing your experience with the K3 - I’ll be interested to know what you think of the AirV2 once you get it 👍
What's stopping you from remapping this key using VIA? Or are you talking about regular, non pro K3?
night and day difference between regular k3 and k3 pro. been using the pro since it launched. remapped the lighting key cos i dont need lights when typing. wake-up time is also incredible compared to the regular k3
Does the keyboard keychron k3 pro take a while to reconnect after sleeping?
Nice video. I like the Nuphy keyboard aesthetic. However, they are gouging on their prices, including the wrist rest, where they charge $19. Then add in the very expensive shipping cost, and I always end up steering clear. Purchased a Royal Kludge M75 keyboard on sale on Amazon, and it has such a wonderful typing experience, that I ended up never getting the Nuphy.
Still considering it, if the price of the keyboard and wrist rest drops to the $100 range....
I have been searching for a keyboard that isn't logitech or apple, but feels just like the keyboard on my macbook pro. Any suggestions?
Curious if any of these keyboards tell your computer their battery level over Bluetooth same as most mice do?
I was wondering if the Lofree Flow has a receiver for wireless connexion or only Bluetooth?
Thank you for this video, exactly what I searched for! All big competitors in one video, just awesome! ❤
I really love Lofree Flow sound, but unfortunately, its backlights are much worse than average... and also - no feet, no macros, no key customization. So it seems like NuPhy is my choice.
Also check out the new LoFree Edge - it’s a bit different again, but includes the QMK customization that you want ✌🏻
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Thank you!! I would definitely contribute to it, but, unfortunately, I live in the most sanctioned country of the world, so there's no way for me 😞
Spent weeks looking at the forever sold out Keychron K3 Pro. Then bought the new Nuphy Air75 V2.
A great comparison video with no stone unturned in terms of comparison. I think if you would have chosen cowberry for V2 you would got the muted and marble type sound. I have V2 and i'll wait for lofree to make a 2nd iteration with QMK/VIA with 2.4ghz dongle. Lofree with POM and gasket is hype worth running after I guess. Everybody seems to drool over the typing experience.
Thanks, ya - I tried to get the tactile NuPhy switches, but they weren’t available at the time. I’d love to try them, but the Kailh Phantoms in the Flow are pretty awesome TBH - I wish they had more standardized pins to be able to swap for a head-to-head comparison ✌️
Will there be special discounts for black friday?
my choice is nuphy. I managed to get it for $125 with cowberry switches, I think it's a great deal.
which one of these are much more suitable for mac tho?
What is the max typing speed we can get on keychrons on Bluetooth mode?
Nuphy Air 75 v2 has too many switch options to decide between. So now that I’ve decided on the Lofree Flow instead, I just need to decide between the linear or tactile! 😂
Lofree is the nicest sounding.
I’ve had the Ait 75 v2 for 6 months and am buying the Lowfree.
I don’t need the button remapping, I’d rather it feel nicer to type on and be more quiet, I’d rather it be a metal and gasket build, I’m going to game using the wired connection.
Basically if you don’t need button remapping you’re probably going to prefer the Lowfree. I wouldn’t even consider the keychron
Is there a way to get this without waiting a week or longer to get it? How about a US warehouse.
I got the K3 Pro because the V2 wasn't out and I use macro layers a lot. Fragility of a floating key design aside, I really like the K3 Pro for the extra rubber pads that allow you to use it without putting anything in the keyboard area of a mac, unlike the Nuphy feet - which if you have a keyboard protector like I do, really messes the equation up.
Thanks for sharing your experience and insights regarding the keyboard positioning 👍
Never use a keyboard protector on a MacBook. It will eventually crack your screen when you close the lid.
Keychron now has the K3 Max which adds the plate foam and switch pad, as well as 2.4G connectivity, making it better choice and a better competitor to NuPhy than K3 Pro.
K3 pro is also the only one that offers different keyboard layout!
I own the K3 Pro with blue switches and Logitech MX Mechanical with Kailh blue switches and I much prefer the Kailh switches and I hope more manufacturers choose those switches in the future. The Gateron blue actuates before the click (not good!) and have no click sound on the return, the Kailh actuates right after the click and also have a click on the return, very good feel and sound.
Hopefully LoFree Flow next version vill have RGB, better feet and ISO support(!) I will buy instantly.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and recommendations - I would second those suggestions 👍
What do you recommend for a macbook? I heard that lofree has problems with MacOs.
I use Macs and haven’t experienced problems with any of these and Macs.
I don't understand why, by default, none of these have shine through keycaps. If you are an early bird buyer of Nuphy, you can get shine through for free, which I think is available right now for the Air 60V2. I was surprised how much the V2 of the Air 75 sounded like V1 of the Air 60, so it feels like more should have been done. I have an older Keychron K7 with their older keycaps, which are shine through, and that makes seeing the caps lock light so much better. I also have an Air 96, and installed Keychron shinethrough keycaps on it, and my goodness it helps with the typing on that device. Obviously, Lofree seems to have spent all the money on the enclosure and the key switches, fo it sounds great, but I cringe on how those keycaps look to touch.
I think a big consideration has been the move to PBT keycaps rather than ABS ones. It can be tough to find PBT shinethrough keycaps. This subreddit goes into more detail about it (www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/yoe3dw/why_is_it_so_hard_to_find_pbt_shine_through/) but I agree, it would be nice to have the option for some shinethroughs as a configuration choice during the checkout 👍
I prefer keys that light up (so you can read them at night), the Air75 V2 has that as an option. Do the others?
They all use switches with the same stems, so they are all compatible with the same keycaps. While the NuPhy may be the only one that offers shine-through keycaps from the same store, they can all use them.
Keychron also has shine through keycaps, but they sound worse than the ones from nuphy.
Lofree is a close shot, but with this messed up layout (you may noticed home-end and pg up-down are mutually in wrong positions comparing to keychron or nuphy), and no option to remap the layout, it's a no deal for me. Which is said since it's probably going to take this company a couple of years before they build an updated version (it took nuphy 2 years)
I'd say the Lofree layout of Home, End etc are in the correct positions. You can also remap them with Windows Powertoys if you want.
@@thecat4272 the main thing about remapping with QMK/VIA is that the mapping is stored on the keyboard itself. I’m using two laptops with the same peripherals and don’t want to keep their settings in sync manually
Which is the best for gaming low latency and accurate switches?
Wired, all would be similar, but only the Air75 V2 polls at 1000Hz over RF. It also has the wider selection of compatible switches ✌️
For Canadian keychron k3 max is the best for the price almost have the price of the others .
what is your monitor stand, look aesthetic 😎
This is the one I’m using: amzn.to/3RPMOj0
Genuinely curious what the point of a backlight is when the keycaps aren’t shine-through. There are double shot PBT keycaps with shine-through. These keyboards look dumb with the lights on.
good review and looks like high production value. I find the BGM annoying and distracting as it sounds like a repeating jingle. I haven't heard a BGM in any of the mainstream tech reviewers for a long time, only see BGM on reviews that have no voice over audio. I say just use the BGM for an intro/outro to create your "brand" music but leave it out when you do the voice overs.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestion 👍
Do you know how the noise level compares on the flow vs air75 v2 with cowberry switches?
The Air V2 is definitely louder. I kept the gain equal for both in the video, so you should be able to get an estimate of their relative sounds levels in the demo part 👍
I have cowberry switches with the air v2 and they are far, far quieter than the clackity daisy switches demonstrated in the video.
@AaronCyni thanks for sharing your experience with the Cowberry ones 👍 I want to try those too at some point.
@@JakeReevesVideohi, could you tell me which switches in the air75 v2 are the quietest?
@user-co8ts9rc1n I haven’t tried them all, so I can’t comment on the switches they offer directly, but - generally speaking it will likely be one of the linear switches ✌️
11:22 BTW all 3 keyboards will sound better if you put on a proper desk mat and add O rings.
What kind of O-rings would fit around the nuphy’s non-circular switch stems?
Which keyboard would be best for big hands?
All would be about equal in this sense because they have the same standard key spacing.
Are the Aloe switches that Nuphy sells compatible with the Keychron?
Yes, both have a perpendicular pin orientation so the low-profile switches from NuPhy should fit the Keychron (and the same in reverse) ✌🏻
I wish the lofree flow had a dedicated win and mac keycaps. It would've made it look more premium.
LoFree and NuPhy sounds similar (name pronunciation), so I had a which-is-which issue in the video. The keyboard sound of LoFree is very nice, but absence of the macro feature is a deal breaker.
Unfortunately, the Lofree code doesn't work
I’ll look into it - thanks for letting me know
I spoke with the company and it should be working now 👍
Keychron support is practically inexistent! I have a K1 Pro, a K3 and a K3 Pro and they all have massive Bluetooth Problems (K3s). I don't even get an answer from them. So I'm forced to use em via USB. Not good!
I go with K3 Pro. I don't get the hype of Nuphy. I tested them several times and I always prefer Keychron in terms of quality, typing experience and overall aesthetics. Seems like I'm in small circle of people lol.
I find the NuPhy aesthetic is more polarizing too (bright colours, etc) but do prefer the NuPhy build quality - what was it that attracted you to the build of Keychron?
@@JakeReevesVideo it feels like the case seemed to be of higher quality, not so squeaky
to be honest, I don't like the assembly of NuPhy keyboards at all, the keycaps also sometimes stand unevenly, sometimes asymmetrically, there is a feeling that I have a non-final product in front of me which is weird to say. I bought myself two Nuphy keyboards and returned them both Air and Halo series.
@dmitrylaktionov9808 interesting - I’ve had the opposite experience. Perhaps a QC issue then
@@dmitrylaktionov If anything, it is the Keychron which feels cheap and makes weird noises when pressed in certain spots near top bezel.
engineer from quebec?
Close… Ontario
ohh i didnt know they gave out the cult metal ring over there too (unless its just a really similar pinky ring XD)@@JakeReevesVideo
@ms-yl7qp it’s an engineer thing all across Canada.
Air 75 V2 blows away the other two out of the water when it comes to feature set. 2.4 GHz, QMK, extendable feet, big battery. LoFree Flow has none of that, and sounding a bit better cannot make up for that. Keychron is build worse and feels cheaper overall, it also has only 4 layers in VIA while Air V2 has 8.
It’s also 400 cad
The Flow’s sound is significantly better and it more than makes up for the other short comings… for me. I don’t remap keys, I’m fine with plugging in once a week, I don’t use backlighting and I hate steep typing angles. I will concede that no 2.4 ghz kinda stinks. Other than that, I’m team Lofree.
Lofree Flow is the winner for me. Buttery smooth typing action on the linear switches which is the main function of a keyboard. The Nuphy switches are rattly and cheap in comparison.
@@DMCnMEI thought flow sounded better too even tho I like thocc more than clak. Interestingly Lofrees true selling point is that it’s gasket mount for people who really don’t like firm boards. Keychron’s S1 board is low profile and all aluminum just like Lofree, whereas Nuphy is aluminum top but plastic bottom. I think there was a conscious design decision to go slight transparent plastic to see lighting on bottom/slide.
Are you sure the nuphy switches are rattly and cheap? They have gateron v2 linears and two more linears of their own OEM modifying the gateron design. Never heard anyone describe them as “cheap” or rattly though I imagine all of the switches in all of these boards are by definition “cheap” 😂 for their manufacturers
Lofree is Kailh clones, which again I find clacky but not buttery like gateron. Have you tested both? Just curious. Nuphy is not a cheap brand and definitely offers a lot more quality than a brand like Logitech’s G915-those are definitely the definition of cheap keycaps and cherry low profile clones at an absorbent mark up ($250 starting) no hot swap ability or QMK/VIA, no official keycap customization.
@@Stinger913 exorbitant
I have never seen a product so stupidly designed. There is RGB, but it does not illuminate the letters.
why the fuck don't people turn off the lights when talking about the backlighting on keyboards? I can't see shit
... who hits the space bar with their right index finger? Did you grow up in the woods?
At least he didn't grow up in a dark cave, like you.
@@Kaylas1821 yeah we learned how to properly type in there… That’s why cave dwellers are the good keyboard reviewers.
@@warpathh sadly there is no correlation between quality of the review and personal preference/habits. Living both in a cave and imaginary world. Sadge.
@@Kaylas1821 you’re clueless and inarticulate.
Trust me, mk240 from logi is better than all the keyboard shown. Its light, easy to keep, key stroke is similar to laptop tactile. So dont waste money over this shitty product. Its not productive.
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That's a worse recommendation, if I want a membrane keyboard I would have just used my fcking built in laptop keyboard. All 3 keyboard above are mechanical and a much better option than a membrane. Plus its hot swappable meaning if you don't like the key then switch it out with other options in the market.
The swappable option will last longer than the membrane plus you will save more if for example only 1 key is defective since you'll only replace that specific key rather than buying a whole new keyboard that a membrane keyboard would do.
Why would anyone trust somebody who straight up lies just right after that?