How to sound like II from Sleep Token - [Snare Drum Re-Creation]
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- The video shows my process to reverse-engineering a drum tone from scratch.From frequency analysis to identify the fundamental note of the drum, to drum size, shell type and drum head selection, and of course tuning, we end up with a pretty awesome result and learned a few things along the way!
II from Sleep Token has one of coolest snare sounds of the last few years so it was a perfect one to start a new series with! Who should we do next?
This video is an abridged version of a larger, more detailed video which is live on my brand new Patreon Page. Check it out for the full version!
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Check out the full drum cover: • Sleep Token - Gods [Dr...
Drums used:
13x7 Pork Pie Zebrawood/Rosewood Snare (maple shell)
Remo P77/Remo Hazy Snare Side
22x14, 12x8, 14x14, 16x15 C&C Player Date II
22" Dream Contact Ride
18 & 16" Dream Dark Matter Crashes
14" Dream Dark Matter Hats
20" Dream Lion China
8" Dream Bliss Splash
10" Dream Libor Hadrava Stack
I am not even a drummer and here i am, looking for his snare drum sound lol, it sounds amazing
Omg I have that exact snare!!! That's a crazy coincidence & i love it!!!
Great snare!!
Subbed before I even watched the video . Appreciate this one man!
Love the pre-emptive sub! 😂 thanks mate
And now I need a 13” wooden snare.
Me too!
PDP Concept Limited Edition Snare Drum 13x7, II actually uses this drum as his backup snare. i caught it in his drum case on a IG post so i picked one up threw the same heads on and used this video to help me tune it up and i got that tone that instantly
@@joeasema446 I just picked that snare up too! Do you know what what frequncies/pitches did you end up with?
@@tylerolinde its a amazing drum, um i'm sitting at about 418hz on the reso and i matched the 267 on the top. the biggest thing is making the head changes the remo p77 and ambassador hazy ( reso ) are magic together
@@joeasema446 did you also do the p77 mod by cutting the dampening ring?
Great video, man! I'd love to see more snare sound breakdowns like this. You got a new subscriber, cheers!
There will definitely be more! Working on one as we speak! I’ll most likely be uploading them to my Patreon first and then doing cut down versions for RUclips. So if you like them, feel free to check out the Patreon!
thanks man, i was looking for this!
So welcome!
I’ve been drumming my entire life and you just thought me how to accurately tune my drums. I’ve never found a video like this. Good job man you nailed it.
That’s amazing! Thank you so much. This is just one way of tuning and for a specific niche tone, but I’m glad you were able to learn more about it through this. More to come!
@@EliGreenDrums Coming back to watch this video again and I have to say the quality of video, video edit, sound and mixing are outstanding man. And you can shred on the drums. I can tell by mic placement on the kit that you're knowledge on these matters are high. I can't believe you only have 2k followers.
Also side note, you should totally Sell the drum samples you create in these videos. Even if you put it on patreon or something would be great.
Sounds fantastic.
Thank you!
Awesome video, the snare sounds insane! Any chance you could do a video going into the processing done on the snare? :)
I hadn’t planned on it! But maybe!
god that’s a nice snare sound
Thanks! I’ll be posting some One Shot samples on my patreon page soon if you’re interested in!
this is fire bro, good job
Thanks dude!
I'm here for the Norma Jean "O God The aftermath" shirt!
Lesssgooooo! I should really do some covers from that record. One of my favourites of all time!
Thanks for the content. I use a pearl free floating snare 14x6.5 set snare lug 400hz and top lug 267hz and still need the top lug to be higher to get to C#. Now my snare is broken hahaha.
Oh no! I wouldn’t attempt this tuning with drum larger than 13” - it would be asking a LOT of a 14. It already put the 13 to the test
@@EliGreenDrums I used to love the sound of Chris Adler‘s snare, but when I discovered sleep tokens, I had to find some snare 13 to use.
@realisticlab2514 hell yes, Adler’s 12” was the shit!
very very good job reproducing II's drum sound. The last thing your missing is some dirty compression. It will bring up the room ambience and add the tail you're looking for.
Completely agree. This first video was a bit of an experiment of the format just mixed on the fly inside my Soundcraft Ui interface/mixer. If I did it again I’d definitely approach the mix with more sauce
Exactly what I was looking for! Awesome work, mate! Keep it up. Subscribed ;}
Thanks so much!!!
Wow. That drum was one of the first quality snares I bought. I’ve turned it to 267 on the lug frequency but never to a 267 hz fundamental. Guess what I’m doing tomorrow. Did you leave the original snares on it? I think they’re just the Puresound Blaster’s.
Awesome! Let me know how it goes! Same snare wires!
I'm not even a drummer (guitarist, vocalist), but I've been a big fan of Sleep Token for 4-5 years and love their sound. I always have to program my drums when doing recordings for my solo stuff. I wonder how easy it would be to reproduce a similar sound to ii for someone purely doing production and programming drums. My current go-to for drum sounds is the GGD P IV Matt Halpern pack.
I think you’d get closer with some of the OKW Benny Greb sounds. II’s kit sound (especially the cymbals and snare) is far more like a fusion drummer, so I’d start with something less geared to metal and then supplement the bits that don’t work with pieces from the other libraries
The pdp and dw 20ply limited edition snare sounds pretty close also. That’s what I been using.
Such a huge part of it is the tuning. You get any similar sort of wood drum up around that range, you’ll be in sleep token town
@@EliGreenDrums I wish I could let you hear it. It sounds so good with the p77 head I will deff be using it from here on out it’s crazy how sleep token made it so popular!!
I use tried this with a Matt Halpern Pearl Snare with the heavyweight dry Evan’s head….Geez it bites hard😮💨
That’s a 14 right? OOPH. I’m amazed it took that tuning!
Great video, great job! 👏🏻🤘🏻
Thanks a lot!
dude this is awesome! thanks for sharing it
You’re welcome!
You said 395 as far as the low pitch is concerned. What do you mean by that? I have a tune bot and stopped using it because it would jump from 200 something hertz to 300 something, similarly to what you explained. Is that what you were experiencing too? Is there a way to prevent that with the tunebot?
I believe I said “lug pitch”. Meaning that is the pitch I have tuned each tension rod to. Check out my Tunebot video! It goes over some great tips to help with that exact issue
So if I tune to my snare to the notes rather than the frequencies will the outcome be similar? Obviously it won’t be exact because I’m not narrowing it down to hertz but I don’t have a frequency reader unfortunately. Also a 13x7 player here! I use the Joey jordison signature snare so I’m interested to hear the sound come from a metal snare rather than the maple.
When I was looking for a drum to do this video with I actually entertained the idea of a Joey Sig. I’d love to know how yours goes! You absolutely can just tune straight to the note if you don’t have a frequency tuner. Let me know how you go!
George Lever said try cutting the muting ring around the edge out of the p77
On metal snares
So 416hz on to reso and 267hz on the batter of the snare to get as close to II's snare sound as possible? Awesome!!🤘🏼
Not quite. 416 on the bottom but 267 *fundamental*. Meaning the whole drum is creating a resonant frequency of 267hz. The lug pitch of the batter side was way higher. Like 400hz ish
@@EliGreenDrums I’m not very familiar with tunebot
So the top/biggest number on tune bot is the fundamental tuning?
Or is that for one lug
Could you please tell us the lug frequency of the batter head for the tune bot?
Thanks in advance 🙏🏽
@EliGreenDrums would you consider it not possible to get close to the tuning in this video using a 14" drum and a tune bit gig? That's all I have currently and would like to try to achieve a similar sound. You mentioned keeping the 14" bottom at around 400 for this tune? Thanks for your insight and a great video, new subscriber here!
The bottom ended up being a little higher. More like 420. You can take the bottom up that high on a 14” no worries. I had the reso on the Paramore video beyond 450. The batter however, yikes. I don’t think you’ll get it to that same tension or if you do the drum will probably be pretty choked out.
@@EliGreenDrums well, not a bad number eh?
Sick! Curious on what the cymbal mics are sounds killer even barring any mixing?? Also curious spotted a rogue shure sm7b under the ride point over at the snare curious the reasoning and function on that??
Cymbal mics are Rode NT5’s. The SM7B is like a “close-ambient” mic. It acts as a mic that picks up the smack of the kick and toms but also a lot of the shell tone of the snare. Great mic to compress hard like a room mic and blend up underneath for some extra shell mojo
@@EliGreenDrums that’s what I was huntchin on! I’m defintley gonna try my shure sm7b on that area! been experimenting with extra room mics trying to find ways to excentuate more shell ooomph then crispy cymbal typical room mics! Nt5’s eh! Not bad at never thought to snag those!
Ahhhh yes the Goon Squad ripoff song hahaha! Great video!
Thank you!! Subbed!!! 🙌🏼🤘🏼
Thank YOU
i tried to tune my snare to 267 but it just sounds super choked 😢, any recommendations?
What drum was it? And most importantly what size? I think a LOT of drums would choke out at that high tension, especially if it was a 14”
@@EliGreenDrums its was a 13x7 local snare called Kyre Freyr series, it shouldnt choke out due to its size but it just seems like it
@@CometZ that's a shame! This is a pretty extreme tuning to be fair. Perhaps the bottom head could be loosened off a little to allow the drum to breathe more. Sometimes it's a matter of compromise to get the tone you want! Unfortunately not all drums of the same size handle the same tunings!
When you tuned the top side did you keep the snare wires tight or or loose
Sounds like joey jordison pearl jj1365 but cranked super high
Super similar vibes!
Yo! 13x7 player here with a P77 as well. did your batter head take to being cranked?
It did until I punished it for a couple of long practice sessions and then the collar blew out. However that’s been a huge issue across ALL of Remo’s heads lately. I’ve had it happen to low tuned emperors on toms, medium tuned controlled sounds and now a cranked P77. So I don’t think it was the head/tuning range. Just another case of bad quality control.
How does II get away with playing entire shows with this tuning?
@@merpinallday No idea! Maybe I hit like a neanderthal - haha
3:25 PA Lovetone
I have always felt sleep tokens drums to sound 100% Abe Cunningham from white pony album -Deftones
Definitely some influence there I would think. Also DAMN that’s a great tone
So what would the equivalent of 267 hertz be when using a drum dial? 😅
I don’t know! A few people have asked his. I might have to do a comparison between them
Nice video dude just subscribed what tuner is that your using?
Thank you! It’s the tunebot original model. I’d recommend the Tunebot Studio if you’re keen on getting one. The cheaper “gig” version is a little janky on the measurements. The studio is rock solid though
Genuine question, what’s the function of the SM7B above the bass drum, sorta pointing at the snare?
Think of it like a mic that picks up mostly the shells in a very close but not totally direct manner. It gets a lot of punch, awesome to compress super hard and get some very trashy sounds. Almost like you would with a mono room mic but far closer and with less cymbals. Just a fun vibey mic. It doesn’t always get turned up.
@@EliGreenDrums thanks for the response!
That PA is like 22 Hundos - well he sure gets every penny out of it though
Thanks dude! The Soundcraft is a sick little unit. Definitely capable of a lot more than people might realise
do you record drum samples for people to download?
Yes! You can get this snare sample as well as the Misery Business snare I just did over on my Patreon. More to come as well!
@@EliGreenDrums thanks! Love your work btw - as someone who doesn't really play drums but works as a recording engineer for drummers your recipes are incredibly helpful
What drum tuner do you use?
Tunebot.
@@EliGreenDrums could you make a tunebot tutorial video
@GavinRutledge25 way ahead of you mate. Check out my channel.
@@EliGreenDrums what model tunebot did you ise
No samples, triggers?
Zero! I record most of my social media stuff through my soundcraft Ui24R which has an inbuilt mixer, and then I just capture the master output into OBS to sync with the videos in real time, so no editing happens after the fact. I did record some samples of this snare just the other day - they’re available on my Patreon if that interests you!
Can I sample one of those hits?
I have samples available on my Patreon! 4 different dynamics of One Shots, with and without reverb. Grab a subscription (only $5USD) and they’re yours as well as everything else that’s on there!
@@EliGreenDrums Sick! Thank you
To be honest though, a p77 that tight just does not feel good... personally to me at least. That had was meant for a low to mid range sound.
It’s definitely a niche sound. But it’s also exactly what he uses, which was the purpose of the video. Check out my recent vid on the George Lever P77 mod - that was super cool and breathes a lot of life into the choked out sound of some P77 tunings.
Travis Barker please! ATST or WMAA.
II now uses a DW Solid Edge.
You’re correct, however that’s a more recent change and I based my reference point on the last few years of their meteoric rise. Most of that time he was using the PA or similar.
@@EliGreenDrums Either way, they both sound similarly awesome!
@@EliGreenDrumswhat is a PA? That a snare brand or model? Thank you
Said no one ever. No one gives a fuck about a sleep token nor know who tf they are. Just like in 5 years no one will then either. Nothing iconic unless you're 20 with tattoos. Then everything new is AMAZINNNNNNGGGGGG.
Literally the most unlistenable sounds of all time with a little clip sound for the snare, all so teenagers can feel cool while they are told their glitched out sounds are "music". If you listen to this garbage then you don't have a dad.
Is this a copypasta that I’m just not aware of?
Go on, with that kind of smack, you gotta give us something better.
Recommendations?
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Great vid....sub'd for more content like this! Good work!