SOMEONE GIVE HIM A RAISE: Ben Shapiro kills the minimum wage argument for good
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2019
- Minimum wage laws take away more of YOUR choices. Do you want someone else calling the shots in your life?
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WATCH as Ben Shapiro EATS lunch with FORK and KNIFE!
He is going to DESTROY that lunch!
Ben Shapiro DEMOLISHES left wing of a chicken with KOSHER facts and logic
I hope he OWNED the sandwich
when???!!
and his WIFE, who is also A DOCTOR, watches
Can we just take a moment to admire how respectful both people were? The man asking the question did so and then remained silent as Shapiro gave his answer, not trying to interrupt or throw his own opinions in there, and Shapiro gave his explanation without sounding rude or attacking.
Yes, this is true discussion and debate. Not belittling and disrespectful.
Yes, a conversation like this is rare.
It’s sad that has to be pointed out!
Oooo
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Some jobs really aren't worth $15 an hour, and some people's work ethic sure isn't worth $15 an hour.
I started working at walmart over 5 years ago. I started at $9 an hour. I didn't complain at all, I was just happy to have a reliable source of income. Over the years with hard work and dedication, I'm now at $15.50. But guess what? Now everyone else gets $15 an hour for no reason at all. You know how much of a slap in the face that is for people like me? And no, the company won't be giving me some sort of magical bump in pay to make it fair. Just screw people like me who did it fairly right? Maybe I should just cry more to get what I want instead of working for it because that works better I guess.
@@ChfHappySack so someone else not being treated as badly as you were means you're unhappy with the situation? How would we ever have progress if the people who were being treated badly didn't want to see progress happen because they see progress as a slap in the face to them? Such a strange outlook on life.
@@tonyttt31 It's not progress when it takes hard working people and drags them down to someone else's level. Doing something like this removes people's work ethic because why should I try to do better anymore? The company has just shown me I'm just a body to them since they're hiring idiots near the same pay as me.
@@ChfHappySack drags them down? There's your problem. Why do you see others as below you? What makes you think they are also not hard working? What makes you say it removes the work ethic? Would it remove YOUR work ethic? Would you still not have that drive to work your way up away from the minimum wage? I really don't understand why you feel people are bitter or feel hard done by if someome else is being payed well enough. And you refer to them as idiots? Really?
@@tonyttt31 I don't understand how you can't see that? Yeah, that's what people like you have done. I've been dragged back down to minimum after 5 years of work. You'd be mad too if the same thing happened to you. And sorry but the truth hurts, a lot of minimum wage jobs hire idiots (aka people who can't do their job correctly even though they're now paid better). I don't see myself as better than anyone, I just know that I've actually earned my wage. Yes I'm bitter because now I have to do it all over again when I shouldn't have to. It's not hard to understand, what are you struggling with? You're trying to justify that someone else should make my pay without actually earning it. Your logic is stupid.
Funny as it is, when the new minimum wages were being discussed, I started seeing less employees & a lot more self service & kiosks everywhere... 🤔
@Lujack Shaw yeah
Yeah unfortunately they still can't remember to hold the fucking pickles
Walmart made 520 BILLION dollars of profit in 2020 and employs 2.2 million people around the world. Divided evenly that comes out to more than $200,000 in profit per employee. You're going to tell me they can't afford to pay $15 an hour and provide benefits?
@@jesselovett4934 the problem is I think that money belongs to the share holders......yes, they profited but that money is not yours to redistribute as you see fit......its belongs to investors who own stock....everyone's 401k and investments are tied to that profit..
@@jesselovett4934 Bro Walmart made 520 billion in revenue, not profit. Revenue is how much you make through sales, profit is how much after you pay expenses. The profit is only about 130 billion, which is still a lot of money, but do you think that a cashier should be making more than 15hr?
The reason why I dont work minimum wage anymore is because I've worked minimum wage before, when I was 17.
That's great, unfortunately somebody needs to work retail and fast food jobs and it isn't gonna be only teens.
Average age is 29 :) so it's not only high schoolers
@@brandonrubio6038 I don't pitty any 29 year old working minimum wage. They should have made better choices in life.
El Republicano You are very ignorant
@@awesometico well yea meth heads need jobs too.
Minimum wage is for kids who graduate high school. And most places that pay minimum wage is not negotiable at all.
Minimum wage laws prohibit the inexperienced like graduates to take up jobs because businesses would rather hire someone with experience with that price.
@@plc3653 graduates of what?
nox5555 The basket weaving argument is a lie. I have friends in STEM and accounting that can’t even find stable entry jobs, and those that do are only part-time or contractual. I’m against the $15 min wage though; it’s failing in my state right now as we speak. A lot of workers are getting laid off and hours cut, especially in the retail circuit.
I am a manager at one of those places. Our average age here is like 30. No idea where you fiscally dumb people get this high school idea. The high school kids all work for gas stations and media centers for 10-12 an hour. People who get out of jail, divorce, rehab, or an abusive home end up at minimum wage. It is basically slave labor
@bochap21 Minimum wage was made for employeers not to take advantage of people with hours and pay!! Seems like it was made to stop what is widley known as greed!
Raise minimum wage.
Employer has increased wage bill.
Employer increases sales price to cover increased wage bill.
Prices go up.
Rising prices mean Minimum wage is no longer sufficient.
Repeat.
Thats basically how it happens. Stupid part is when the market crashes like it did and has the prices didnt go down and if they did it wasnt a sustainable amount. They were/are still stupidly priced
True, but to play devils advocate: when the prices go up, they go up for the rest of us, non minimum wage workers, therfore it's really a form of subsidising unskilled workers through inflation. The unskilled workers who's job isn't worth that money still benefit from this though.
That is an option. Another is employers will replace labourers with automation. Raising minimum wage increases the quality of life & pool of unskilled workers, but decreases the labour demand. There's debate where the equilibrium between the two is.
@@Pan_Z you do relize we have been adding machines to our work we have become extremely thousands of times more efficient and we are still worked harder
@@noneofyourbiz3042 Correct. Not the point. If the cost of labour for a position exceeds the cost to install and maintain a machine for the same role, employers will replace those labourers with automation for that position.
This is why increasing minimum wage would kill some jobs. Car washing businesses, for example, are experiencing this. It becomes more profitable to have machines wash cars over people if wages are raised.
They keep putting up minimum wage in NZ. So I have never had a raise and the cost of living goes up every time.
@Cristo39 lmfao, what if you just. Have the money?
A city-wide minimum wage is one thing. Even county-wide. But nation-wide, when there's a HUGE disparity between the actual purchasing power of $15 in New Jersey versus $15 in Mississippi, it just doesn't work.
@Natasel I'm not disagreeing with that. But that should be something evaluated and voted on by individual economies, not dictated to all economies by a handful of large ones.
@Natasel Unfortunately, an individual has very little power compared to a corporation, so in many cases getting fair pay simply can't be done on an individual basis - especially when there is a labor market swarming with illegals who will work for less! I'm not saying labor unions (or public sector unions) are all good - they inherently tend towards corruption, just like government and corporations and any other group of people - but they were, and remain, necessary for a variety of reasons. For businesses that treat their workers fairly (my father worked for a family-owned multinational manufacturing company for 30+ years, and they treated him *great*) neither unions nor minimum wage are needed. But the sad truth is, most businesses *don't* treat their workers well. Given the opportunity, *most* will underpay their workers to gain more profits. So collectively, either at the ballot box or through union negotiations, or both, SMALL groups of individuals must decide what's best for their SMALL area (business, city, *maybe* a county).
@Natasel Exactly. It's the lesser of two evils. You're either going to have small tyranny of the voters/workers, or you're going to have big tyranny of the employers.
@Natasel Who said anything about the government? If individual citizens want to unionize, that's their prerogative, and it has nothing to do with "the government". If individual citizens want to *directly* vote for a local minimum wage, that's their prerogative, and again, it has nothing to do with "the government". It's when we get to any level above that, where elected officials call the shots (removing the people from a *direct* vote) that the problems get out of control.
@Natasel Then you are free to work elsewhere. Or, in many cases, you can work there and not join the union but pay what's called "fair share" (where you pay the union a nominal fee for negotiating higher wages for you). If you don't like the minimum wage in one city, you at least had the option to vote on it; or you can move elsewhere. The point is that YOU, the individual, have a direct say in what happens to you. That is not the case with statewide and federal minimum wages set by elected officials.
Incidentally, as a member of a teacher's union, I'll say that I don't particularly care for my union's political stances on just about anything.... except advocating for better school funding and better teacher pay, because that's what they're *supposed* to advocate for. It's when unions step outside of those bounds and start advocating for things they have no business being involved in that people (union members and the general public alike) get pissed off.
The other day AOC was bitching that a croissant at the airport cost $7. Well duh, the minimum wage at the airport is $19 per hr. Prices have to go up to cover the cost of keeping the cashier employed.
Is it really that high? Bro I’m about to go work at an airport!
@@thebookylnlord5070 Well it is New York......
actually the workers were making 14$ an hour. The main cost isn't the workers or the materials but the rental space. The beauty of a location based monopoly.
Raising the minimum wage has the greatest impact on the poor.
Sports arenas have expensive food and they have a lower minimum wage tho
I watched a documentary many years ago where a bunch of college students went down to Mexico and were trying to get some business shut down for "exploiting" their workers.. the employees worked really hard to keep the protesters out because they made really good money for that area.. and were afraid that some rich college students would get their job closed down.. in which case they could no longer provide for their families..
Really made me sad to see this.. but it opened my eyes..
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Minimum wage is the scam.. everyone should be allowed to sell their labor for whatever price they want.. even if it is lower than YOU believe they should be paid.. the main thing in this is that they're being paid..
A voluntary contract between 2 people should not allow for a 3rd person to dictate the terms..
"I know what's best for you" is basically what a minimum wage says..
In the case of the documentary I mentioned earlier.. those workers in Mexico were better off making the wages they were earning at the time, as opposed to not earning anything if the plant got shut down..
Do you remember the name of the documentary by any chance?
... to the exploitation of Mexican workers by capitalist corporations and the lack of liberty those workers have to fight for higher wages? No, that's not right, is it?
@@zinov3 but I get the need for a third guy in this situation because sadly economics is one of the parts of life where people tend to screw others over. In countries with less competition or have monopolies in all major economic sectors these Companies can talk among themselves to set an unofficial wage standard so even if the workers compare there's no better option. I get the idea but just like many socialist or communist concepts it needs to assume that everybody plays their part and removes the human(greed) aspect of it all.
@@blackhand8299 respectfully, you don’t understand economics. You don’t, can’t, and should not remove greed. People follow the incentives. Economics doesn’t screw people over. Fact, it is government that screws people over because it chooses winners and losers. For example, when government says “no one can make less than $15 an hour” the consequence is jobs are lost, hours are reduced, benefits are slashed because no one in their right mind will lose money for over paying a low skilled job for a product/service with low profit margins. The consumer pays the cost in the end. You must view economics in terms of trade offs. There are no solutions in economics, only trade offs.
I would beg the question, if the government can just say “no less than $15 an hour” then why don’t those nice people go the distance and mandate the wage be no less than $30 an hour. Because economics won’t allow for it! $15 an hour doesn’t make sense but enough voters (such as myself) were duped into this.
Minimum wage increases will persist forever because they make the problem worse but no one is paying attention.
I'm an employer at a small factory (outsource company). The min wage kept going up, and the products that I sold did not (due to competition). So, I hired less people (I let go some expensive people too). Limited funds, you know. Sure, we get less revenue, but the cost went down too. I had to balance things out. So I understand why the companies would hire less.
I live in Australia. Worked at a chicken factory with an American was on $60,000 a year. This American couldn't believe how much we were getting paid.
Sadly he'd earn about $35,000 for the same job.
My old man's a scaffolder and earned upwards of $120,000 p.a. ... he had an American project manager who called them all a " bunch of overpriced Mexicans"
In Australia we have unions who fight for wages as well as having the world's highest minimum wage :)
Greatest country on earth
@@phillipbaxter3350 how does Australia products compete internationally ? Whats the secret to win if your overhead is twice of other countries?
@@meritcircle deep question. Australia has a strong resource sector which they tax heavily they distribute the wealth "evenly" through that and other means. Hence pushing nearly all above the poverty line.
To answer your question Australia doesn't export chicken we consume it so our consumers pay a small price at the checkout for better pay and work conditions of our workers. Expect to pay $10 for a cooked chicken at the shops.
Follow the tree long enough and we are reliant on iron, coal and livestock exports
America simply doesn't distribute its wealth evenly... personally I would have voted Bernie sanders $15 minimum wage and a tax on pharmaceutical companies and a overhaul on how they operate among other things.
@@meritcircle another example.
We produced milk at less that a $1 a litre at one point but the government stepped in and basicly said no it must be sold at a "minimum" so the money trickles over to wage and conditions. Now we pay $1.20 L a 20% increase another great policy for workers pay and conditions
Specifically what company do you own and manage?
Worker: I want higher min wage.
Wage: Goes up*
Boss: Can't pay worker and has to let him go*
Worker: Wait...
And you think the boss is going to do the work himself? Think about your own argument. Who is going to do the work - nobody?
@Evgeny Nosachenko Do you honestly believe employers don't squeeze every drop of productivity they can out of workers now? If they could possibly fire 1/3 of their workforce, don't you think they already would have? Stop believing corporate propaganda without even thinking about whether or not it makes sense.
@@adityahebbani9126 Google a philosopher named Immanuel Kant. He wrote great stuff on morality. One of his principles is that you can't excuse something immoral because of the possible outcome. For instance - because of slavery, millions of Blacks today have a far higher standard of living here in the US. You wouldn't suggest that means that slavery was a moral good would you? If there are some negative ramifications to paying people fairly, we should opt to do it anyway and deal with the outcome. Once we do, I know you will find that those predictions do not come true. They didn't come true when we passed child labor laws which were opposed on precisely the same grounds. That's because those theories come from think tanks funded by big business. They are bullshit.
@@adityahebbani9126 Nonsense. Big corporations can simply make less profit, they can pay their CEOs more reasonable pay rather than $22 million per year like the CEO of GM. They can also raise prices, and if they cannot afford to pay a fair wage, they can put off starting a business until they have sufficient capital, take no pay themselves, or offer shares of the business. Look up the old opposition arguments to child labor and you will see they are exactly the same ones you are using. And kids weren't just working on farms, they were working in factories. Also, watch Jordan Peterson on IQ. As jobs become more technical, fewer and fewer people have the raw intelligence to do them. Graduate school requires an IQ around 115 which is only 16% of our population. Even if the masses did have the smarts to obtain advanced degrees, there wouldn't be nearly enough high paying jobs for that many people when 90% of job growth is in the minimum wage service sector. Sorry, but you are just parroting propaganda from think tanks funded by big business.
Eric The Red small business especially, the small cafe or restaurant will not employ as many people, The owners will just work harder themselves especially on weekends when wages are more expensive 🤷🏼♀️
That girls shoulder stamina in next level
She Spent alot of time as a Intern on her knees
@@dreadmez Jesus bro, chill
@@TheSatisfactoryMeatstickmight i add TikTok Exists
Dont blame me if you're easily offended.. Like every Liberal in '21
@@dreadmez You seem very far leftist with the way you overreacting. I was joking.
@@TheSatisfactoryMeatstick next time a lol would make sense.. Ur joke or lack there of.. A Blind Comedian wouldn't have seen
Nothing Ben said “killed” the min wage argument.
Why Should Any Business Be Forced To Pay Employees $15 or $20 Just Because , You Think They Can Afford It, Who Puts People To Work In America, People With Money 💰 , Not Poor People , Or Our Government, Can A Big Corporation , Staying In Business Very Long, By Hiring People With No Ambitions Or A Desire To Make Something Of Themselves No . There’s Over 3,331 Billionaires In The World , and They Don’t Pay These Socialist People Jack ( S) Because They Are Not There Daddy’s and Mommy’s, and If They Don’t Want To Go To College Or A Trade School and Work 10-13 hours A Day and 6-7 Days A Week For 35-40 Years , That’s Their Problem , Research Every Socialist Nations , They Have Only One Class Of People Poverty And Households Incomes From $32,000 To $36,000 per Year, Go To Mexico 🇲🇽 Or Venezuela 🇻🇪 Do Poor People Hire People No.😊
When you say um while talking to Ben just surrender at that point
her arm strong af
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I would have a hard time not dropping that mic on purpose :D
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@@coryc8819 👌💓👌💓👌💓 😆💦
Of course, she's a strong independent woman
Folks listen....its called minimum wage for more than the obvious reason of minimum base pay....its called minimum wage because those types of jobs require minimum education, minimum skills, minimum drive, and minimum experience. No way should anyone ever believe that these types of jobs are designed to support a family.
Yea.. its sad really.. especially for jobs that pay minimum wage, despite it being desrrving of a higher wage. Carers for example are criminally underpaid, for how hard they work... but because its not particularly "skilled" , they can pay you buttons to do it.
@@ohrightok9750 I mean it's stressfull doing child care. But not hard.
Wrong. It is to reflect a standard of living.
If your characterization of minimum wage was true, wouldn’t it be “minimal wage” and not “minimum wage”?
It’s a “minimum wage” because it was designed to keep employers from putting workers on wages so low that it kept them in severe poverty. It started because some very young girls working in sweatshops got their wages cut and didn’t have power to do anything about it themselves. The minimum wage law was part of a bigger movement of worker protections, to include child labor laws.
Minimum wage means it the wage someone can work and not starve.
@@tayloraprile3851 wrong again, learn economics in the real world
You know our society is circling the drain when so many comments here are congratulating the participants for not screaming at each other.
I’m not overly excited about this reality but Ben is absolutely correct. When the first wage increase was proposed my local Walmart cut all front of the store staff and went almost exclusively to self check out.
Wal-Mart would move to self-checkout regardless.
@@jackcarraway4707Yeah but by speeding the proces up you cut people off guard more often
What I like about Ben is for the most part he actually gives people a chance to disagree and at times welcomes it more than support, but remains posed and uses facts to debate his opposition.
He truly is more disciplined than the majority of conservative talk show hosts I have ever listened to. I hope he continues that route.
Then why won’t he debate Nick Fuentes?
@@billtamas1854 probably because Nick fuentes has a history with hate speech, and Ben shapiro demands a respectful debate, simple.
Yeah “facts”
Can someone explain to me why there is a minimum wage who does it help exactly
I've interned at good summer jobs for essentially "volunteer" wage, but I took it bc I knew it gave me experience and would look good on my resume so that my next real job would make me at least 20-25% higher salary
Exactly, that's how it's supposed to work. It's why I volunteer as a Teachers' Aid at my old coding school. Gets me great bullet points for when I decide to apply at a company that's bigger and pays better. Here in Seattle that and networking helps, BIGTIME.
@@elfpimp1 bullet points put you on target for a better financial future... Took me 14 years & 7 jobs to get the skills that culminated in
The career & starting pay that i can finally say will put me ahead of my cost of living...
@@000JonnyBoothworthy nice! 👍
@@elfpimp1 thanks... I may have to write a book 😂
@@000JonnyBoothworthy 👍 👍
I haven’t made minimum wage since I was 15. As time marched on, I received raises at work. Eventually, I wanted more for myself. McDonald’s wasn’t going to offer me more than what my position was worth. Nor should they. So I took it upon myself to improve my life. I took it upon myself to obtain the skills and knowledge that demands the wage I wanted.
Whether you’re working McDonald’s or not... whether you started your job today or 10 years ago... demanding a wage more than what your job is worth only helps the people who haven’t put in the same effort as you.
What justification is there for a CEO of a Company, regardless of its profitability, receiving a multi-million dollar annual bonus? What can one individual possibly contribute that justifies a multi-million dollar salary and bonus and stock options while the people actually doing the grunt work are working at less than a living wage? This is why the United States has around 700 billionaires and slightly more than 11 million millionaires, about 3% of the population. Capitalism and the Promise of the American Dream is the most evil pyramid scheme ever devised. Working people are subsidizing the mega-wealthy.
@@jjjones2244 There is risk, of course. But why would anyone assume there is no risk for the employee? That is overly simplistic. If the company fails, the employee is out of a job. It is not solely the employer who takes a risk. Using your logic, the employer too has the option of re-entering the labor market and finding employment to save for his or her next business venture. Not everyone is blessed with the ability to create something from nothing. Nor is it socially responsible to assume that employees do not deserve to share in the profitability of the enterprise which they invest their time and labor. Granted, their risk exposure is not as great as the entrepreneur's, thus their return on investment is not as great. But to ignore the cost of living and only hire at or below a living wage is exploitation when the business is successful beyond a reasonable return on investment. Instill loyalty and pride and the business thrives. Is it your expectation that employees shouldn't prosper along with the business investors? Once a threshold is reached, it becomes necessary to add more labor to maintain the business. Without labor, how does the business survive and increase production and profits?
@@jjjones2244 And there are always self-serving, narcissistic, greedy cretons who are willing to pay their employees shit-pay while they already have more wealth than most working people could ever comprehend. And they justify it by pretending their massive fortunes are at risk. Then there are the socially responsible mega-wealthy individuals who actually have a conscience who pay a living wage and better. No one on this planet ever has zero risk. Only in the minds of the shit-greedy wealthy who horde all the wealth they can. Thus only 6% of the population have actually realized the American dream.
@@jjjones2244 Finally, something I agree with you about.
@@jjjones2244 Again, I agree with you.
I recently went to subway. They had one employee working only during lunch time... Yup. Employee has double the work, and somebody out there is now unemployed unable to get work history in his/her resume.
Raising the minimum wage only increases the demand for robots to do you job for cheaper cost in the long run
Those days are on the way, infact in some areas, already here.
No it doesn't. Automation through robotics was inevitable whether or not minimum wage is raised or not.
My local Walmart replaced most of the cashiers with self checkout now. It’s nice.
The thing is is we are already here. Listen to andrew Yang and bens interview they had some great points. While livable wages is a concern even if we didn’t raise minimum wage we are still headed to automating jobs.
Why robots
- no need to pay them
- work 24/7
- work faster and more efficiently
- cuts down on workers comp costs
- multi functional
So even if we didn’t raise minimum wage robots are still looking to replace these workers. S
Ice Iris good for you! You’re correct. With automation, we still have preventative maintenance on those robots. The robots will malfunction, you call the tech. If the tech can’t figure it out, you call the engineer. McDonald’s engineering support for robotics could very well be a real job some day. Funny to think about. Congrats on your accomplishments!
The girl holding the mic is like "are you done yet?"
Girl holding mic, "are you done yet?" Excess baggage removed.
@@cooganalaska3249 *cocks shotgun* didn't ask for your opinion.
Shes completely turned off because as a natural woman she can sense the lack of testosterone oozing from his pores
Ummm.. like.. you know... umm..
Get on with the fucking question.
Yeah, 'cos she's on minimum wage.
Emotions don’t win arguments facts do.
I actually hate that quote by ben shapiro because he already missused it multible times and sometimes does not hold himself to his own standards.
And the fact of the matter is that if companies could afford to fire employees they'd have done it already. A higher minimum wage won't change much. Just because you want to punish people for their lack of ability doesn't mean they deserve it.
But they go out of the window during transgender issues
@@michaelmorse4444 Companies wouldn’t fire their employees unless you forcibly put a price on them: Instead, in order to meet the $15/h or whatever point that falls in the small area of market equilibrium in the context of pouring money to into maintaining the factors of production apart from labor, companies will hire less and fire those who contribute the least. This is based on the fundamental Law of Supply; when the price of production increases, the supply curve undergoes a negative shift. When you forcefully shift an equilibrium point, you shift the supply and demand curves. A minimum wage, pretty much every time it’s been raised, has lead to a rise in unemployment; also, the state governments set the minimum wage based on the market equilibrium as per the industry in the first place. To say that “it won’t change much” is an outright lie. The states that tend to have higher minimum wages have among the highest unemployment rates (NY and California) despite having extremely developed infrastructure and business activity.
@@ahampurushahasmi6040 all I took from this was “businesses are greedy”
The clear, immediate with no hesitation applause.
Almost robotic.
The $2 job is not worth $15. No law would change that but would eliminate the $2 job. The end.
Exactly.
Survival of the fittest 🤷🏽♂️
Those $2 get removed as a position and the $15 worker picks them all up.
More realistic: 3 people working for $9 an hour. That's $27 an hour for wages, excluding any other benefits like superannuation, entitlements, insurance and the rest. Wages go up to $15 an hour. Bos isn't going to pay $45+ entitlements so lays off one person. 2 workers get more money, one loses out. The 2 workers need to pick up the extra work. Boss has only had to pay $3 extra an hour.
In australia, we have minimum wage laws, enterprise agreements and award wages.
Hours will get cut, people laid off and the remainders must do more. Its how it works.
Youll Never Know why would a motherfucker try to make it on minimum wage?
@Youll Never Know Working 40 hours a week at $7.25 an hour is $15080 a year, that puts you in the 12% tax braket for $1810 so you take hom 13270$ a year on minimum wage. When i lived in florida, my apartment was $650 a month, electricity, $40 a month for about 8 months of the year, $70 for 4 depending on how long the summer heat lasted, gas was $19 and water was $80. $7800 for rent, $600 for power, $228 for gas, $960 for water. $9588 for living expenses. I averaged about 50$ a week for food which is $2600 a year. Total cost of living $12188.
Only a slight risk of having a bullet come through my window to get those costs.
Because of a minimum wage law that was imposed here in South Africa, I had to let 2 people go because we couldn't afford to pay them the pay that was prescribed. I found out that one of them lived on the street for a few years before finding another job elsewhere. By then, because of our crappy economy, a lot of consumer goods went up in prices and that minimum wage didn't helped them at all. Also these people were living in a room I provided, but after I had to let them go, they were out on the streets. Like Ben Shapiro said, it takes away your choice as employer to offer wage in accordance with the job and its demands and also the choice of the employee to accept it or not. Minimum wage could also prevent you from finding a 1st job if you are fresh out of school with all the qualifications but no experience. If you are a qualified chartered accountant (on paper) with no job experience, you start out as a store room clerk / PA to the boss (like my son's girlfriend) and work your way up until you hit the job you want and is qualified for. Minimum wage will make it a lot more difficult to hire young people fresh out of school and that important 1st job might take awhile to start off... . .
I don't understand. What happened to the work output of these 2 employees? Did you scale down your business, or did the work got spread out across the rest of your employees?
@@altvali1 They were actually domestic workers that worked at my home. I paid them a sufficient pay but they had rooms to stay in and I fed them as well. Basically they had a place to live and food and water/electricity. The new law for minimum wage kicked in and I was forced to more than double the pay so unfortunately since I myself was working for a salary, I couldn't afford to pay them. It was a mother and daughter and I was very sad to let them go but I had no choice. Luckily she managed to find a job 2 years after I had to let them go. A lot of people had to do that. I wasn't the only one who had to let a domestic worker go.
Jaco Botha literally had a conversation with my dad about this today. He said in South Africa they had to let the workers go because of minimum wage law, and even though the workers said they would happily work for less because it’s a job, but they couldn’t because it was illegal
@@jacobotha6158 Saddened to hear about your situation. Are you allowed to switch to a commission model?
If your business would fall apart if you paid a few workers a couple extra dollars an hour than you’re a shitty business man and you don’t have a good model
Thomas Sowell agrees with Ben, Sowell talks about the person who used to use a flashlight and guide you to your seat in the movie theatre. Minimum wage killed that job. That used to be an entry level job for a kid. If we make every job a living wage, how will kids ever get experience, because then grownups will never move out of those entry level jobs. It hurts my heart and soul every time I see a grown up delivering newspaper or working at a fast food place.
There are different laws for child labour.
@@Riprie Just to clarify, when I said kid, I meant 16-17,. not child. Sorry if I was not clear. My issue really resides with my personal family experience. 2 of my 3 kids could not find a job until age 17 and 18 respectively because grownups have those low skilled jobs filled. Luckily my 16 year old just got a job as he knew someone who gave him a reference to work at LITTLE CAESERS!!!!! That is crazy, like crazy bread... sorry, couldn't resist... LOL. Thus, my issue is two fold. 1) These grownups in low skilled jobs meant for children are preventing children from getting entry level jobs to learn entry level skills 2) These grownups COMPLAIN non stop, I hear it from all my kids how men/women in their 30-50's complain how hard it is for them to make it on $9/hr, but REFUSE to better themselves by going down the street and getting a job at one of the factories (that ARE hiring) AND pay 2-3X the pay WITH benefits. *These grownups have it in their own power to take action and fix their $ situation, but no, they complain and want society to change. That is just wrong in my eyes. Wish you well (I am not yelling when I do all caps, just trying to bring attention to certain points...)
Problem is that nowadays it's not so much adults choosing those jobs, it's adults that got their training for better jobs and getting told they are either too old or over-qualified and are forced to get a job in these entry level positions and then have to work their way up to the higher paid positions. Just had a friend who has been an EMT for over twelve years and was only making $12/hour (doesn't cover all the bills) and kept getting passed over for promotions to then get let go because they wanted younger guys in to work for a cheaper hourly rate......now he is trying to get a job in security (took all of his classes, certified in everything) and was told it's $7.50 an hour during your training, which the length is determined by the company (he would do the training until they felt comfortable he was ready) to give him a job that only pays $12. The issue is that when he asked before the interview what the pay was so that he didn't waste their time (in order to pay all their bills he had to be working at $16/hour) over the phone the interviewer told him the pay started at $19/hour. It's this kind of bullshit that puts people in the position of working these jobs that are meant for teenagers to start out with. Companies that sell one thing to people before interviewing, to then pull the wool over their eyes when they actually get interviewed. Business practices are getting shadier and shadier because they want qualified workers but then don't pay what the worker is worth or what is required in order to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.
Same argument was used in the UK about minimum wage but once it came into effect it didn't have a detrimental effect on companies.
@@nvaranavage So then your saying don't make a minimum wage instead we have to find a way to effectively boycott or punish companies that lie during job interviews as in this example the man in question should have asked to see and read the contract of employment so that he could verify that he was lied to when he was negotiating pay in the first place and couldn't be screwed like this then when he found out he was about to be screwed should have made a stink till they either gave him the amount they initially promised/ he thought was fair or left and not worked for the company? Further if you have the option between working at Mcdonalds and getting minimum wage and working at a factory and getting double is that still not a better option to work at the factory then you can attempt to find a secondary source of income on top of the factory job to make the difference for the living rather than people I worked with who simply worked at multiple different entry level fast food joints.
It's impossible to kill the minimum wage argument when no one earning it can afford to live anywhere.
As long as you don't live in a shithole city you'd be alright. Your hobbies would have to be ones that don't cost much and you can't be eating fast food everyday, you won't get the newest phone on release. You'd have to cook at home, and you aren't getting a nice single family home or an apartment with a pool and gym. Just because you can't live a decently luxurious lifestyle on minimum wage doesn't mean your salary should be skyrocketed to 15/hr. In fact I would argue this is by design. If all it took to live a decent life was work at bk or a gas station then not many people would strive for more. An example of this is welfare and how hard people will go out of their way to get on it, such as having kids with strangers and leaving the father, faking disabilities, or taking advantage of unemployment via recent covid situation. A better way to look it this is, if you want more, then work for more because brother if you think you were dealt a bad hand trust me, there is a seemingly infinite amount of people who had it off much worse and a lot of them find their way out of it. If you're hell bent on earning minimum wage instead of learning a skill that pays more, then you can always get a roommate to split the bills. You don't deserve more simply because you don't want to try harder.
@@SoftJay94 what are you talking about? What you just described is how Millennials who make 6-figure salaries are forced to live by sheer necessity. WTAF are you on?
Wait until Sally and Joe make $15 out of high school on a minimum waged job, while Jenny And Carl make $17 an hour at the same job after 10 years of employment.
Andrew Manche truth ☝️
Lol Jenny and Carl need to get their shit together
@@rainytuesdaynight5099 you don't deserve a living wage working at McD's. That's for kids needing a part time job. If you are an adult working there, you are making bad life decisions. Why should those that struggled to go beyond minimum wage, and weren't lazy about it, have to support those that are lazy? Up the minimum wage in low/ no- skilled jobs, such as McD's and you guarantee automated replacements of those workers. They have zero marketable skills, and at some point, cost the company more to keep them than to replace them with equipment.
@@rainytuesdaynight5099 because it is a neck-down operation meant to get kids used to being responsible in the workplace; maybe even teach some customer relations skills. Those jobs were never meant to be a career. Living wages only apply to those old enough to be working on their careers, because it is assumed that they have moved away from their parent's basement and actually need enough to support a family on. If say a 30+ year old is working McD's drive through, then they were extremely lazy when they should have been studying and learning marketable skills that would allow for a living+ wage. Minimum wage jobs used to be done by slaves who weren't allowed to learn more than what was needed for their masters. By remaining in said job, those people are willingly replacing their own personal responsibilities in life, such as making enough to live on, to their corporate masters, because hell... life is so much easier when you don't have to apply yourself and just flip burgers all day. A slave does that. A robot does that. And neither get paid anything at all.
@pullupseattle while I can sympathize with someone with a birth defect, they usually have to have a caretaker of some sort. That caretaker usually provides the function of a parent, thereby they are very similar to teens in the way of life responsibilities. So the argument still stands. The reality is that if one does have a mental defect requiring such a job, again... their job will be automated. In this case, it is no fault of their own, true. These are the exceptions to the rule. However, the more said employee costs the company (real cost of employees to the company are usually double their wages), the quicker they get replaced with equipment. If you personally are not smart enough to say, go and learn a construction skill (largest labor shortage currently in the country, with salaries often starting at $21+ / hr which is more than twice the level for poverty), then... you are being lazy and it's only a matter of time before you are replaced with a toaster.
Minimum wage goes up, cost of living goes up.. simple as that
Inflation
There are plenty of counter measures against inflationary policies like imposition of minimum wage, both fiscal and monetary. Normally it is accompanied by an increase in the tax bracket. This argument against minimum wage, i think, is only applicable in the US. In third world countries, the labor market heavily outnumber the available manpower demand. People are more likely exploited and private unions almost always doesn't fare well as companies can virtually make their own and make it appear that the employees organized it. You'd also observe a high underemployment of workers in these economies wherein indoviduals are forced to work low-paying or low-skilled jobs.
@Charles Ziegler III but raising minimum wage means more cost to companies though. Portion of that incremental cost , if not all, will be levied on products and services so businesses could still meet their target bottom line. Unless of course, business owners are willing to absorb the rise in wages which is highly unlikely.
That’s an utter slippery slope fallacy. The cost of living has gone up regardless of the minimum wage increase.
Of course. Thats why minimum wage should have been going up at a similar rate to cost of living, instead of staying the same for years
I broke my ass for 2 decades on a NYC garbage truck working over night in ALL weather and worked my way up to making 4 times the minimum wage and lived well. Then they raised minimum wage so much i was only making double. With everyone making more money, prices for rent, food, and everything else shot up, and before long my family was living like paupers. Totally nullified the 20 year sacrifice i made to work the most difficult job in NYC.
I disagree with Ben on this one. Here in Australia we have a minimum wage. It DOES stop exploitive behaviour from employers such as expecting staff to be tipped by customers. It is not something the has constrained the job market. Places like China don't have a minimum wage and look at the exploitation there. A developed nation should have NO issues with implementing a fair minimum wage based on basic living needs. Otherwise there is more incentive to stay on Govt benefits than work..
China does have a minimum wage, though it varies by location within China
u cant just compare australia to america- we have a much smaller population for starters and the job market currently is terrible.
Norway has no minimum wage but the wages are high because of union negotiations.
It is none of your fucking business what two people do in trade. None.
@@vigilantclips5912 since where are norway wages high?
When I was in high school, I worked and earned $10 an hour moving furniture. Not an easy job but i was willing to work a little harder to earn more than minimum wage.
Odd how that worked isn't it Kevin.
Sad part is it's still less then 10 some places and that's what ppl are making. How are you supposed to live on 10 $ an hour ...
@@ChrisBernard338 the onus is on them to increase their skills to get higher pay. That’s what a lot of people do. You can’t demand more without bringing more to the table
@@kevindashid Not everyone has the means to “increase their skills” and even then, you can still end up with paltry wages
These videos are more addictive than the Reese's PB cups I have in the kitchen. Thank you for keeping me from getting up and eating them.
What made u wanna comment this
If you're homeless then buy a house.
- Ben Shapiro
Makes sense to me. I'm a half breed with a felony. Was also abused as a child. I have a nice house on land. Guess what I did when I got out of prison? I started working and making good decisions for myself. I'm not rich but I live comfortably.
Tired of hearing excuses. I have as many as anyone. Get out there and work for what you want. If you're waiting on the government to save you, good luck with that.
@@shanes481 glad to hear that. Many don’t want to do the hard work that’s required for anyone to succeed.
@@shanes481 If you think being in prison is tough, trying being homeless for some years. Add mental problems and maybe drug addiction to that and feel the real challenge. Did you choose going to prison? Many people did not choose to be addicted and homeless.
@@paulgoogol2652 that’s a bold claim you got because being homeless usually is because either the family or just not wanting to work hard to get what you deserve. Don’t get me wrong not a lot of homeless people are like that but most are. Btw prison Is a lot worse than being homeless because at least you have freedom, being locked up isn’t no heaven
@@victorguzman2321 Not as bold as to claim that it is as easy to get back into a normal life from being homeless as from prison. In prison there is still a social life and obligations to structure the day. That was my point. Now how you become homeless is a completly different question and impossible to generalize.
Well, talking is cheap but min wage is proven to work well in EU so I doubt his concerns about potential economic damage are justified in any way.
Concentration camps worked well in Europe but that doesn't mean we should bring them to the usa.
Just because it works for them it doesn't mean it's going to work here. They have alot more social programs and higher taxes. The social programs mean the government has so much control over their lives. If you want that, go there. We don't want that shit here. The usa wasn't founded upon those principles. And real Americans will die protecting our American ideals and freedom of all people.
Honestly dont know how and why you need to put this in persctive by using concentration camps but ok. In my understanding we are pretty free over here and have quite a good living standard for a wide range of people maybe research about it. Using more social programs and the government having more control over those programs and taxes doesnt necesarily mean loss of freedom
Tell that to Australia who has a 20$ min wage and basically no workers because companies can't afford to pay the employees. Also when you constant raise min. wage you inflate the price of everything else and all the people not making minimum wage gain nothing and lose buying power.
@@miket.220 I understand that it's a running joke that American education system is garbage but are you aware that EU population is bigger than US? Why would you reduce it to UK?
@@Krushard The EU is many countries. Each country has it's own agenda. The US is one country. The difference between the population of the US vs all of the EU is about 100 million people. My point is that each country in the EU is the size of a typical US state or even city. You can't compare something happening in one country or even several countries to the US. Apples and oranges.
Just because someone sounds educated doesn’t mean they’re right.
Like AOC😂
@@bratindas5814 says the person on youtube with a GED 😂
@@exp037a well facts don't care about your feelings 👍
@@bratindas5814 exactly so stop crying 😉
@@exp037a u think AOC speaks sense??🙄
Never debate Shapiro using the terms "umm " , "like" , "you know."
A fundamental aspect of the minimum wage notion is that exploitation is kept to a minimum and everyone can receive a wage that enables at least a fairly decent standard of life relative to the country in question. If it marginally increases living costs for everyone else, surely that is morally and ethically the right thing to do? Remove the minimum wage and there's always people willing to work for less, employers taking advantage of this and while your burger may be cheaper, you will ultimately incite poverty and all the negative outcomes related to it. Can't have your cake and eat it as they say!
The day a person begins to become an adult is the day they leave their parents home.
This is a cultural thing that can not be correlated to adulthood . You’re projecting American values onto humanity .
It goes beyond that because in America the boomers right now are pulling more from social security than somebody working a full time job.
At the same time that exact same reason is why minimum wage cannot be raised because the Boomer's retirement was based on an old economic model.
Right now these leeches are pulling 900 to 2000 a month. IF minimum wage goes up they would have to admit that they're investing in planning wasn't that great and they would have to get a job or cut back on their living expenses.
But these old boomers don't want to do that they want their 1960 wages coupled with our inflation while they sit back and rake in cash while the youth of present day can't even afford a car or a house.
Democrats will never stop pushing minimum wage laws because it gives them the appearance of championing the poor, irregardless of the fact that such laws eliminate working class jobs (source: read the Congressional Budget Office reports).
Irrregardless- not a word
This will encourage small businesses to hire more illegals then since they will work for much lower than the standard American.
@@creditcard6642 yes, thank you
@@creditcard6642 that shit grinds my gears.
A lot of European countries have introduced minimum wage. I don't see that hurting the poor, on the contrary. We have been tought that the derugulated free market provides all the best solutions, when in fact in centruries it did not manage to solve urgent problems or even created new ones.
I'm sixteen. I just finished a job that paid me 23₪ an hour (minimum wage in Israel). Yes, I bitched about the low pay. Yes it was hard. But did it require skill? Smarts? No. Because it's meant to give me a sense of responsibility and help me build myself a good work ethic and sense of respect towards other people. About a week or two in, my employer told me that he was proud of me, since I was working hard. He said that when he was my age he had a sucky job too, but he began to hate it less when he realized that the job wasn't meant to pay well, but to teach kids what I just learned. He changed my life forever by giving me meaningless and demeaning tasks. He's a great guy and I'm grateful to him for being such a wonderful mentor and making me a better person. I just wish all these other people, like the ones in the video could realize the same things he taught me. In a nutshell, life's not fair, but you can decide whether to make it meaningful or not. You can't help yourself but you can certainly help others
Great comment. I had same situation working from age of 14 earning $4.76 per hour lol. I learned how to work, the $$ was irrelevant. Now I have everything.
0:48 ben's clone was at his back the whole time lol
This is what one observes in the Offended Culture too; a bunch of people who don't watch a particular media - say, anime or superhero movies - but they're constantly making comments about how they should change things in that media and then later get mad when those changes don't happen.
You mean you guys?
Thats literally you.
You described yourself
If you are 45 years old and making minimum wage, then minimum wage is NOT the problem
You're right, the problem is that companies are able to pay people minimum wage for decades at a time. Are you proposing a new law that people over 25 cant be paid minimum wage? Very bold idea.
Not everyone is able to have the skill set to rise above minimum wage unfortunately. That’s the way humanity is. You cannot blame someone for making minimum wage saying they are a problem. That’s horribly offensive and inhumane.
If I misinterpreted your comment, I hope you intended to imply that the employer choosing to pay so little is the problem and not the employee. Which I doubt. Cause you seem like an ass who would imply the 45 year old is the problem lol
@@MyRyTunes I was thinking about this recently. Could it be a person's own fault they are poor? For example, an average intelligence child worked really hard in their youth to become intelligent enough or skilled enough to go into a career that offers more a reward. They sacrificed their youth (having fun etc) for future opportunities. Whereas others understandably want to enjoy their youth and essentially don't 'invest' in their future as a result. They're more likely to not be as skilled to get higher paying jobs. So it's understandable that some people would be better off than others. But does that mean as a result, some people deserve to be in the position they're in, both positive and negative.
@@SASMADBRUV7 it’s generally not a persons fault, it seems like your position in society is determined by your family.
There are exceptions such as Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Beyoncé
But it is generally easier to rise up if you already started quite high
@@BritishRepublicsn depends. Majority of billionaires do not come from wealth. Children of certain immigrant groups highly out earn the native population (Nigerians, Indians, Chinese etc) despite initially having lower incomes. The point i was thinking about was lots of people who sacrifice s really fun childhood but studying for a future career that pays well obviously earned it. However can the opposite be true in the sense that people who did not make that sacrifice and end up not being qualified enough for high paying roles, isn't it their responsibility for their situation. If course this is in general terms as there are lots of factors. Also I'm sure there are arguments against that. It's just how much responsibility do and should people hold?
Yep, the *real* minimum wage is zero
Ben came to UK and was absolutely destroyed by public discourse. He keeps talking but it’s all mush.
Can I see it anywhere?
Minimum wage question should be:
“How much should a high school kid with a summer job be paid for part time work?”
THAT’S the *minimum* scenario
Add a mobile phone.
Each Man Or Woman Should Be Capable Of Negotiating His Or Her’s Or Hourly Wage , It’s Not Up To Your Neighbors What You Work For 😅
Minimum skills = minimum wage.
Sadly that is no longer the case.
A person with a marketable trade or education doesn't work for minumum wage in the first place
I would be in favor of being taught a trade - even if it was temporary - in High School, in order to later on use that to pay for higher ed.
Mind you, that model is highly unsustainable. The first three years of high schools pumping out junior tradespeople would absolutely glut the market and suddenly those wages would fall too.
When everything is special, nothing is.
and if you learn the marketable trade, it is then less marketable as more people can do it.
so how's that gonna help with anything?
@@nescius2
Is there a need for plumbers, HVAC, welders, electricians, construction etc? Yes or No
Do these people who poses these skill make good money? Yes or No
Can anyone learn these skills? Yes or No
A good paying job requires one of two things - college degree or trade school certs. Problem now in society is that even with these degrees or certs, companies see one thing they don't like (personality, age, affirmative action requirements, social media postings, etc) they can choose not to hire you.....degrees or certs do not garauntee someone is hired (are your chances better?! Yes), so we have many people out there that have the education, experience and background for these higher paying jobs, but companies aren't hiring them. A friend of mine who is past his prime for EMT now, is now trying to get jobs in a different field (entry level at a ship yard, and also security) and is having trouble getting the pay he needs to support his family because the entry pay is below what it costs for their home, insurance, phone bill, utilities, food and owning one vehicle.....🤷♀️ It seems that the system is stacked against people being able to support a family and be able to save money (they are always in the rat race of living paycheck to paycheck, not having an emergency fund for when something happens). And the other flip side to this problem is that it's not enough money to survive, but yet welfare says they make too much money for benefits.......this is why good people are then embarrassed to ask for help from their friends or don't want to stand in the lines for assistance from the local churches.....they don't want to be labeled a burden on society because they are trying and getting nowhere.
@Dick Whole I'm not saying they are or aren't deserving.......what I'm saying is that getting a job is dependant on what you look like on paper......and that the pay for a lot of entry level jobs (even ones that you have education for) cannot support a family......that is part of the problem......and it isn't very easy to move when you are trying to get a job to put food on the table, living paycheck to paycheck because you can't save money to be able to move to another state for a better job.......if your friends came to you for $3000 dollars to move so they can get a job to provide for their family, would you do it? People who are struggling to find jobs don't have the money set aside to be able to move, they are living paycheck to paycheck, with no ability to save money because the entire paycheck is being used for their bills and food on the table.......it's sad.......these stimulus checks don't make people want to get jobs, they see it as a way to not get a job, that money should be put to better use by establishing or continue monetary support for groups to help people find jobs, training programs for jobs, training programs to help mentally impaired people maintain jobs, and programs to help people on welfare be able to get off welfare.......the stimulus checks are enabling people to remain complacent. And those that are actually trying and have a strong work ethic are being sidelined because of the political agenda because corporations don't want to be called out for discrimination because they are coddling people who are being lazy on the job. I've seen this a lot firsthand.
When you pay an employee the minimum you get minimum effort,you get what you pay for but on the other hand you shouldn't have to pay minimum effort more than it's worth.its a freakin paradox
Most underrated comment of the century.
That's why people need to learn to negotiate but they also need to learn to have something to negotiate with
$35. Trillion dollars in offshore tax banking havens suggests you're not correct
had a friend at work and his motto was "minimum pay, minimum responsibility"
he said he never made any decisions and would wait for every instruction as anything that was a choice, was above his pay grade.
This happened within my company last year, worker would not settle for less than $39 an hour, knew he had the company by the balls as it was Covid and no one else around, after about two weeks of paying out company started cutting his days down until it was down to one day a week, he bitched like crazy each time, the work the company was getting out of him was no longer worth paying. The employee would not settle for a normal rate and ended up being laid off and is now unemployed, he was replaced with a more economical worker.
0:40 that girl is like ' are you done yet!'
"Minimum wage" jobs used to be a means to an end - I worked in gas stations while going to college and was paid close to minimum wage. No one I knew looked at these kind of jobs as a career.
Yes but sadly a lot of uneducated lazy people see it as a full career.
@@davidshaver7765 Working a job like that doesnt make you lazy. Everyone has bills to pay no matter your education, health or general life situation, you need a way to pay for those bills. A job is better than NO job. So, if a job at a gas station or any other minimum wage job is all you can get, thats what youre gonna take. particularly if you have kids to care for as well. You cant afford to NOT take the job if you cant find anything else. Ofc you can continue looking, but minimum wage was literally created so that no employer could keep their employees in severe poverty. Minimum wage is meant to be a livable wage. Not good or even decent, but enough to cover minimum expenses. I dont even live in America, so its not like im whining about making 7 bucks an hour, all im saying is, youre supposed to be able to live on minimum wage. most people have "jobs". not "careers". a career is typically something you genuinely want to be doing and something you can continue to do for many many years with upward mobility. a job is something you do to pay your bills. not everyone can have a career. its literally not possible.
@@davidshaver7765 I am educated and work those job and I get paid around 20 dollars per hour
@@thitpoulsen352 Livable wage by definition is a fallacy. Minimum wage is perfectly livable for the person starting out in their working life, who has minimal responsibilities and expenses. It is not livable for someone trying to raise a family, live on their own without roommates, or other standards of living. The problem is too many people allow their living expenses to exceed their ability to generate income. The whole point of working is to start out low, and build experience and education and progress onto better jobs. You then acquire additional life expenses (house, family, new car, etc.) as you can afford them. When you get those priorities out of order, you're stuck in a situation that is difficult to climb out of.
Ok boomer
I only think Shapiro answered so respectfully because, as a Star Wars fan, he was talking to Kylo Ren.
Underrated comment
😂
And/or a young Leonard Nimoy
He seriously needs a "mic drop" gif playing on the screen behind him every time he answers a question. 😆
The goal is not to humiliate the people asking questions, it is to educate them.
Keep raising the minimum wage I might get good service when robots work at McDonald’s
@@tameraider5152 activate technological unemployment *kiosk appears in place of cashier*
It doesn’t matter. Automation is going to happen regardless of the minimum wage increase as technology cheapens.
@@damianjustice561 You don't automate just for the sake of automating. You automate when automating is cheaper than not automating. Since the cost of automation is falling the crossing point is obviously sooner when the cost of the workers you are replacing with automation is higher.
@@meamzcs that isn’t true at all. There’s a lot of reasons to automate, certainly cost is one of them but there’s things like accuracy, efficiency, not having to deal with scheduling, etc
Yeah love capitalism. Only capitalism can make a problem out of needs being met without human labor.
If you dont like minimum wage give that high schooler thier job back and get a real one bud. I work construction because it pays my bills. If I wished to go further I would get a different career path. It's not rocket science.
Do you find that statement snobby?
Watch Milton Friedman discuss this, he does it so eloquently and effortlessly.
They also forget competition for employees goes up and prices go down.
True as also with the other way around
Hard to listen to dozens of “um” , “like” and “you know”. Hope this guy is not trying to pass himself off as educated.
Give that employee some of your money
Problem solved.
Can you imagine being married to Ben with his debating skills? He probably looks straight through his wife and has mercy.
Good debating skills don't make you right.
@@TalkieTalkie what's he wrong about?
Debate with your wife? Then you will have no wife🤣🤣🤣
@@saintelohim lol
Ben “my wife is a doctor” Shapiro
If Ben ran in 2020 I'd vote for him
2024
someone who believes man-made fairy-tales are real and has imaginary friends they talk to is not someone i'd want running anything
For the record Bens answer was ok. Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell have much better explanations and evidence if anyone is keen (just search it).
Milton friedman advised Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. His opinion on economics aint worth a dime.
@@fishman523 weird how under president Reagan the U.S. did better in almost every economic statistic you can find e.g. stock market, median income, job creation- but yeah what does Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell know- you people must have chimp brains seriously.
Not a fair comparison (if that’s what you were doing). Friedman and his disciple Sowell are amongst the greatest economic scholars ever. Shapiro, as brilliant on stage and in front of a camera as he is, does not engage in serious academic scholarship. There’s a difference.
"for good" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 not for a second
Very civil and intelligent debate. Love it.
I do not see anything civil and intelligent in the title
I should get paid minimum wage for having to check myself out at fkn walmart. The way I see it, they owe me a check.
Bare minimum a discount because you would be a temporary employee for a few seconds. If you ever find a bad credit card reader put ice cream next to it so it gets their attention.
We have a fairly high minimum wage here in Australia and it does the following: 1 - We are a wealthy nation so can afford to lift income for those who potentially may not otherwise have skills or knowledge to do better. 2 - it gets people off social security. 3 - it stops business owners from exploiting employees, especially the young. It does have a downside in that the cost of living is higher.
I'm america we only care about rich people
lol social security? hundreds of people abuse centerlink. inflation is skyrocketing, everything costs more because of your social crusade. housing market is about to collapse.
$7.50 is a good living wage to you.
@@Demonoicgamer666 It’s $21.38 an hour in Australia Boss. Approx $14.30 in USD, where have you got $7.50 from?
@@CockneyCapo I meant in the USA
I have worked MANY jobs. Not a single one started me at minimum wage
I’ve been a business owner for 18-years and after the first couple, found you just can’t settle on a minimum for anyone. More times then not, people use the hourly rate to milk the clock. I, in-turn, made most positions incentive based. In short, it’s minimum wage, but with a metrics scale. The more you do, the more you get paid. I own a couple businesses, but, for construction, all aspects of what we do has an incentive (sometime piece rate) calculation.
For example, Bobby makes a $7.50/hr. base, with a metrics incentive. Today Bobby is laying bricks, $7.50/hr. to lay bricks is pretty low, but $30/hr is really good, so a good “motivated” brick layer should average (for example) 100-bricks an hour, so I make each brick worth .30¢.
Once Bobby exceeds the $7.50/hr. mark, his pay rolls into 100% incentive based (so he’s guaranteed to make at least minimum wage per federal law). So as long as Bobby lays 100-bricks per hour, he’s making $30/Hr.
When I was paying $18/hr. I couldn’t get averages past about 40-bricks per worker, per hour. NOW, I have guys easily getting double and triple numbers of bricks laid, and it is beneficial on every level for both the company, the customer, and the workers.
Customer gets their projects done timely with high quality, workers get paid based on their level of motivation, and company needs less workers to get more work completed. The workers LOVE it so much they prefer less help. Many are just lazy by nature, especially nowadays, and many employees will find places to hide, or look busy when being watched, or constantly complain about anything to avoid getting work accomplished.
This type of pay structure has allowed the company to bring on quality control workers (sometimes we rotate layers/QC). If quality is subpar, “Bobby” is back-charged for the repair work, all the way back to $7.50/hr. This incentivizes “Bobby” to make sure quality is as important as quantity.
We follow this theme in all aspects of what we do. It puts the responsibility for a good paycheck in the hands of the worker. If you want to be lazy, fine, your paycheck (and future) will show that. However, those that are here to make a good living have an opportunity to do so. If we are on a time crunch, the company can raise the incentive in many different ways. To follow same example, we have thrown in a $250 bonus incentive if Bobby completes 1000 bricks in a day. Doing this also helps offset those that may have a set amount they need to make and are content with a $1200/wk. check, that extra $250 (in addition to .30¢/brick, typically gets them motivated to push a little harder at times. There will always be those that still do the bare minimum, but too many want that big check, so they’re replaced pretty quickly (and know it). Happy productive workers, happy customers, and a profitable business is always the goal. Since implementing this several years ago, our production and quality have sky-rocketed, while our employee turn-over rate, has maintained less than 3%.
Employees need motivation now, more than ever, and the more motivated they are, the less you’ll need on the job. Instead of 6-8 workers laying bricks (or whatever) on a project, that’s typically cut in half or less with a better completion rate, less expenses for benefits on more workers, or, triple the projects with same amount of workers that would normally get paid hourly to stand around half the day.
Increasing the minimum wage would forge some desperate businesses to cut corners, such as hiring people that are paid under the table. No thanks
Instead of a “minimum wage” all these unskilled people ought to work on a piece-count per-pay and see what they’re really worth in the market place.
It is funny you say that. I quit my first job because of the complete opposite. Before I used to earn between 100-300 dollars a day when everything was piece-count per day the factory was Star Ranch it is an apple company that sells apples to stores in Washington. I was getting paid 35 cents per tray of apples that I filled there was 5 trays to the box. It exports to all over the world. The company could not believe how much some of the workers were making a year. Not only that the we were incredibly efficient and people actually enjoyed going to work. I had made over 50k In one year. That one and only year everyone at the factory had improved the entire economy of the town. They had newer vehicles. Everyone was happy. Then Star Ranch decided to impose minimum wage to increase profits. Everyone was devastated. Most quit the only people that stayed were old who were making minimum wage anyway. They couldn't decrease the cost per tray because there was slow workers as well who couldn't meet minimum wage. Some of us were making stupid amounts of money. Nobody at the factory works hard for minimum wage because your check is the same regardless. Yes they can hire more workers because of it but everyone who works there is poor because of it.
@@kawa1755 correct my dad back in the day was going to be a manager making lockers makeint about 20 dollars per hour until he found out that the workers got paid by the locker and he knew he could make like 90 dollars per hour
Remember Piece Count Is Good When You’re Young, What Happens When You Get Older and Your Piece Count Goes To Shit, and Remember You Cannot Make People Save Or Invest Their Money 😊
He’s right. With minimum wage, you only hire the best. Instead , some less qualified can work for less and gain experience and skill to demand a higher wage in the future.
Never hear of INFLATION did you? That $20,000 car you bought would have cost about $10,000 EXCEPT for minimum wage laws. Most unions base their pay on MULTIPLES of the minimum wage. Result: YOU spend more for the SAME product. Try reading Adam Smith or Greenspan or a real history book (not some modern crap that you can see is crap by looking at tax records).
That's only if the minimum wage is increased beyond a sensible level. There's an equilibrium between the supply & demand for low-level labourers when adjusting minimum wage.
@@Pan_Z NO! EVERY time you increase the minimum wage you set off INFLATION. Like I said, try reading an "Intro to Economics" book. The higher the minimum, the MORE you spend for the BASE products. Bread WAS 10¢ a loaf. Gas WAS 19¢ a gallon. Soft drinks WERE 10¢. Hospital stays for a Birth WERE $75.00. ALL have gone through the roof. Why? Increase the minimum wage and you ALWAYS drive the price of EVERYTHING UP. Do some RESEARCH.
@@wlbond008 I hope no one endures the level of abuse you give your CAPS key
@@Pan_Z Just remember when you are paying $2 a loaf for bread and $6.00 a gallon for gas, YOU made that decision. YOU decided $4 apiece for a coke was GOOD. YOU decided chicken at $5 a pound was what YOU want.
Respectful question and answer. Need more of this
Seriously, go and check out great economists like Friedman, Sowell, Moises, Williams, and so on, who talk about minimum wage. I didn't get the argument against it before, of course I didn't know much about economics either prior, until I heard Sowell discuss it. It made me reconsider, especially once I began to truly study the ins and out of economics. Minimum wage regulation truly is not a good, and actually hurts businesses and workers while distorting the market.
There are ways to deal with wages in general, but raising minimum wage is the worst move. It's low on the federal level for a reason, and one, if you're intellectually honest and objective, should find out why; as well as what would happen if you raised it according to what the foolish notion of sjw's who, although some mean well, don't actually engage in this stuff thoroughly with data, insight, debate, and proper observations without all the emotions and virtue signaling. You cannot approach this ad hominems of incompassion; that's not a sound argument or objective in any way.
Another thing I noticed, just as a quick digression, why do these types say these things, but then advocate for stuff like open boarders that would actually hurt these same people they claim to want to help?! The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
Had sjws have the ability to research with an open mind they wouldn't have been sjws
You have to remember, minimum wage is supposed to be there to help you meet the cost of living in general. You can actually calculate the general cost of living like in coun tries such as England. They raised it as the cost of living went up over the years. It needed updating. America just don't bother to do this as far as I can see often enough. Minimum wage cannot be say x amount that gives you 300 pound a week and gives you say, 1000 after taxes but the cost of rent and bills comes to more than that each month. Nobody can sustain that. That is bad for the economy as that person has no money to spend and if you raise the wage so they can manage some more, the money goes back into the economy as they are happy and purchace product rather than do nothing but the minimum spend. In other countries, this has thrived. Each state have its own minimum wage? Not sure what Murica does with that
@@chrismanager9615 That's actually not true. That isn't what minimum wage is for at all. Minimum wage was nothing but a government formality. The living wage, as you've stipulated, is a myth that socialists push to redistribute wealth.
People need wages(income) in general to live. The variables determining how much that amounts to and what it takes to achieve that are endless and important to consider objectively and comprehensively. The living wage argument is extraordinarily flawed not only because it distorts the markets to control the outcome, but it doesn't even take into account the variety of considerations that determine what that wage is. Also, who determines what that "living wage" is on a federal, state and even local level?! And this is just the U.S..
This also goes into what role government plays in everyday life. History has proven repeatedly that government engaging in this sort of market distortion almost always fails. Government cannot be, and was never designed to be a parent, God, or a subsidy utopia.
Also, one can calculate what it would cost to live anywhere. All it takes is an analysis. They've got all sorts of freedom indexes that go over this very thing so I don't what you're talking about. England has it's own section highlighting it's economy. Economics is universal that way, you just have to analyze and apply the information proportionally and appropriately. The economic data for Boston cannot be compared to England directly, for example, because it would be apples to oranges. A policy that might work in the Hungarian government might not work in the federal government. I see many folks make this mistake all the time and you appear to be doing it too. The economists I've read from all highlight this mistake.
Also, you cannot anecdotally bring up however much income you have and then say your expenses are much more, and then blame the minimum wage here. That's just faulty logic on your part because of your own belief in a living wage that you believe a government must force your job, businesses, or other citizens to pay for. Suppose that living wage you suggest forces your job to cut workers, raise prices, or even go bankrupt, then what?! And these are just the basic considerations, this goes much deeper. This has been studied repeatedly and it always reveals how it hurts an economy. Even countries that run on social programs must consider these things. Your own UK/EU are dealing with some of these very issues in the Brexit saga.
The other problem, as the economist Sowell denotes, is that you cannot see economics as some sort of zero sum game. What this means is that, and this is just a general example, if you raise the minimum wage to whatever you think it should be, that doesn't mean it would have the expected outcome of everyone getting payed more or even improving the economy. A basic way it's usually seen is with folks who believe that raising taxes in general creates revenue. Economic studies show that to be false glaringly.
Also, I'm not sure if you understand how America works, or even how other countries work for that matter, but I live in New York, for example, and this is the most expensive city perhaps in the country. They have raised minimum wage exceedingly and it's not doing well for businesses at all. In fact, no matter how much they raise it the cost of living increases and quality of living decreases. I would love to live in Malta, for example, and what I pay down here for a small apartment, would buy me an expansive home in Malta. Quality of life would go up significantly. The minimum wage in both places, especially if I ran my own business or even got payed the same for doing the same job, would not have to considered nearly at all. The minimum wage in NY is more than double that federally, and it's still very unaffordable here. So should we raise the minimum wage more to make it more livable?! That's rhetorical of course because there are a number of issues to consider that will constantly evade whatever living wage you are trying to meet.
Also, make no mistake about it, we have corrupt leadership in both the government, and many state governments. Many of them don't adhere to sound economic principles to our own demise.
Overall, and I mean this sincerely, check out some of Thomas Sowell's books on economics as well as in general. They're good reads and help shed some light on these subjects. Take care.
Wendell just destroyed people with facts! Well done man.
@@warrencapaldi9544 I've seen these arguments time and time again and they got so annoying that I had to finally read up on them. Some folks mean well but just haven't thought it through. Others are simply being dishonest. Either way this stuff must be understood properly otherwise the results could be cataclysmic. I live in NYC and I see this nonsense everyday in person. I've met a ton of people who hate New York and are looking to leave.
The sad part is they try to use compassion and egalitarianism as arguments which furthers the faulty logic. There is nothing compassionate about imposing economical ideas without considering everyone else just so one could appear compassionate. Even Jesus calls this out for what it is.
Funny story is, and I'm going to digress here, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell both believed in socialism prior to becoming economists. The moment they started looking into the details of things they both realized how flawed, and dangerous in some cases, these inadequate views of economics were. Walter Williams openly admits it casually. I'm a black guy myself and most in my community fall prey to these faulty ideas about how to deal with economics. I've read study after study highlighting why blacks are disproportionately poorer, and the majority of the time it's our fault. Sure there are some external elements, but they don't account for all the other reasons. I'm fortunate to come from a well off family overall who do well for themselves, and that's because they worked for it, and most of them are immigrants. A study shows that most black immigrants aren't poor at all in America, so why are the regular blacks in America?! There are answers for that too, but we don't like to talk about those. Lol
Whether $10 or $15 minimum wage doesn’t mean anything cause there is no basis or math behind the number it’s just strung up. What matters is your wage in regards to living wage which depends on your city and area
@A. Wellknownmyth there should be support for people. people like me who are studying in college it's hard to get by on 7 dollars an hour where I live, Philadelphia studying and working. I work 40 hours a week and don't make shit because I don't have a degree yet. there should be a minimum someone is worth. I was not born with a bunch of wealth given to me I had to take out loans to pay my college off and I can't even afford to keep up with buying simple things like food. Not everyone is lazy there are not many options to you if you're in poverty
@@PS2Damon well get a better job then you are joke if you can’t find a better job there sheez the ⛽️ pays like 12 dollars per hour or more and they help pay for college. You could go buy textbooks off your class mates and sell the textbooks for a profit
We manage fine in the UK with a minimum wage of around £9, for over 18's.
The difference HERE is, nobody gets 'guilt-tripped' over tips, cos the pay is crap!
We only give tips for good service, not for basic service!
I may have missed it. Where does he destroy the minimum wage argument?
All I saw was him supporting unions.
If unions exist to negociate and do correctly what they are designed to do then you dont even need to set a minimum wage. We haven't set a minimal price for potatos but you will never find potatos sold for 0$ or 0.01$ because people who produce potatos will (as a group) all stop selling before that happen. Same way, all workers (as union) will stop working before we hit a wage that is perceived by the union as too low. This is what the free market means. It s auto-regulated thanks to unions saying no to too low wages and owners saying no to too high wages. We don't need a minimum wage.
This implies that there are workers unions for every working profession in every state.
@@Loreweavver yes and that's he was supporting unions... because he thinks that their existance is more important then setting a minimum wage. The fact that we set minimum wages is pointless in itself because it's a number the goverment sets and it will stay the same for a few years until unions (and workers in general since they are voters) step up and demand a raise of the minimum wage from the goverment. Point is, unless you speak up as union or as voters you wont get more in both scenarios where there is a minimum wage or not.
If the wage is mandated by unions or mandated by the government it is still a mandated wage either way.
The difference is that the government already exists and already regulates wages whereas the unions in this scenario don’t exist.
Not sure which logic fallacy this is off the top of my head but it seems he’s just saying that we shouldn’t raise the minimum wage because we should form unions instead who would then set a minimum wage.
I'm often baffled by how misguided people in America are with minimum wage. Minimum wage works great in the UK, an has stopped a lot of jobs getting undercut by foreigners who are willing to work for much less.
Privatisation of unions is simply a wish up there with unicorns.
Phi avir you brought up an important factor, foreigners. Why not regulate the labor force, which in economic, you can see as the supply, but you force the employer to pay a higher price, which is the demand. When price goes up, demand falls. That is simple economic. It’s always a balance of both forces that will work well, increase demand, meaning more jobs, reduce supply, meaning reducing the labor force, be it via reducing foreigners working or others, and you will see wages increase without actually implementing minimum wage laws.
The issue in the UK is that a lot of jobs then either pay minimum wage or just above it. Understandable as an SME but that's why I'd strongly recommend getting a profession where you can build a strong set of skills. Because some jobs want a degree minimum for 16-17k a year, goodluck finding a decent applicant. Student loans, plus NI and tax takes a hefty chunk off of a decent wage too. Don't get me started on the student loan system.
If every company started paying $1/hr as a wage because there are ppl that are willing to work for that amount. Than businesses will have to drop prices too because nobody would be able to afford the prices .
lucus lopez large number of available work force is what drives down wages. Not enough jobs, all the unemployed will want that $1/hr job, because it’s better than nothing. Setting a high minimum wage just means the company hiring can only hire lesser people now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying $1/hr is good. But think of it this way, if there was a labor shortage. Company A is offering $1/hr, but company B is offering $2/hr. The job at $2/hr is filled. If Company A still managed to fill the job, then there is still a surplus in labor force. In the event that company A cannot fill the job, Company A has to offer $2/hr. Or even $3/hr. That’s how a healthy economy works. The market regulates the wages. We are not at the level because human in general is experiencing over population. There is always more labor force than jobs available. If the government manages to maintain a good balance between jobs available and labor force, there is no need for minimum wages.
Right you don’t have a large population
Where there is an imbalance of power, exploitation can occur in a voluntary contract.
Sure, but theres nothing from stopping that man on the crap end of the stick from climbing to the top of the stick. When you take away opportunities, (such as eliminating entry level positions), that man doesn't have the first step on the staircase to start climbing.
@@mouthwash8182 …
And have taken away his work ethic and incentive to increase his marketability.
@@memowilliam9889 If that man decides he doesn’t want to climb anymore, that’s on him. That’s the beauty of capitalism; the lazy and stupid fall to the bottom. (Which then get supported by socialistic entitlements, which is another reason we need to get rid of welfare and other entitlements in the US)
I just feel bad watching people get anything below 20$/hour.
I feel bad for anyone getting under 50 an hour
Well if they feel bad it’s up to them to make a change
Why People Can Earn What They Want To Earn, and If They Want To Go To School Or Not That’s Up To Them Correct 👍
Haha "...FOR GOOD"
Well, here we are
I hear judge smails "the world needs ditchdiggers too"
“Minimum wage” jobs require people work “hard”. Higher paying jobs involve working “smart” as well. There’s nothing wrong with working hard, however pay is proportionate to ones skills,learning and qualifications. It’s the incentive to earn more. No one becomes financially independent doing “minimum wage” jobs .
Yes no one making minimum is working smart. Only hard.
What an absolute genius you are.
*sigh*
It doesn’t matter, a job should be able to lift workers out of poverty, not keep them in it.
Making $15hr I own a house and car, have a reasonable amount of savings🤔
Not that I don't agree with you, fact is these people can go get a cdl and start making 4-5k a month easily truck driving, go to a two week nursing class and work as they do more schooling landing them $15hr and eventually $20-30hr. You can also get pretty much as many hrs as you want. That is just to name a few very quick and relatively inexpensive methods to combat anyone saying they can't go to school or afford it.
@@damianjustice561 No, education should lift you out of poverty. And guess what? The first twelve years are free.
i work at a minimum wage job im 16 u dont get rich off of fliping burgers it's like u guys expect a million dollars just for asking someone what do u want to eat or what socks are u lookin for these MINIMUM wage jobs are starters jobs for young ppl that are in school and still need to make a little money when deciding what they want to do with their life not some spoiled rich kids who cant use their parents money cuz their to irresponsible and lazy and they expect to make bank off a simple job
Wages are not low
Consumption and expectations are too high.
But healthcare for all should be payable, its 2x the price in Europe.
You don't get what you deserve...you get what you negotiate.
Mr. Musashito in life!
^ life because it applys to everything.
@@alecfleming373 BS it applies to those that dole out the money and tell you want you are allowed to get!
@@mmars4032 Wrong. Its your life. Do not let no one bully you. Walking away has and is always the best choice...
I still think its you get what you earn. Work hard talk smart and appropriatly and with respect. I am not delusional it doesn't always work but that is when you move to the next. Staying stagnet just because you are too affraid to go and get burned somewhere else is why wages have stayed stagnet for so long. People are to affraid to fight for there worth or to go learn something new to try and better themselves. Its not easy but anything worth doing is never easy.
I didn't even know there was a minimum wage argument.
Why can't people simply ask a question instead of wandering off into some obscure preamble...?
I manage a Water Store and I make $12.50 and hour, and I now make more money than I did as a Pharmacy technician at grocery stores. Because when I worked as a Pharmacy technician the grocery store managers would only let us work 20 to 24 hours a week.
Know who doesn’t make minimum wage? The automated machine that you order from at McDonald’s.
They mess up my order less too, when a machine takes my order rather than someone...
When people can't afford even the basic necessities in life how can these companies stay in business we're in for some bad times
Why won't this man run for some sort of office already??!
The guy asking this question is weird af
Minimum wage exits in Europe and we heard all these counter argument but once it came into effect it didn't bankrupt no business.
The union point is true though and I agree with Ben.
The union is a good idea but it won't solve the problem since it can be quite weak depending of how many workers are in there and also how much they are replaceable
@@aididdat1749 I understand your point but unions do form amalgamations.
The example that comes to mind is Unite in the UK is made up of nearly twenty different unions with over a million members.
From what I can see unions power has been watered down by government over the last fifty years