@@finnishrailways1069 He switched seats in Lahti. You can see him enter a carridge closer to the front at 8:42 and also for extra confirmation see that he walks forward in the train to get to his seat at 10:37.
One of my favorite things about the VR trains is that everytime i have asked the driver if i can take a peek in the drivers cabin, they always let me, even as an adult
they don’t. Sm2s run which are the two carriage trains or multiple units but that one consists of carriages and its not a multiple unit. That runs between helsinki and kouvola only.
Did you know there is a connection between Helsinki railway station and the Gateway Arch -monument in St Louis? Their architects were father and son, Eliel Saarinen and Eero Saarinen.
There are still lots of red inside the wagons. These used also be painted dark red outside before the current white and green appearance was taken into use. In early days the long-distance wagons were dark blue so these commuter wagons could be easily distinguished.
We have something somewhat similar in Stockholm as well. Trains 785/782 Stockholm - Hallsberg and return is a once-daily peak time loco hauled service via Västerås and Örebro. It was always an interesting drive back in my days as a Hagalund driver, both because I rarely got to drive the line as I wasn't qualified on the X40 EMU, and because the 8-coach train was too long for many of the platforms on the line.
In Finnish language there is a saying "...works like a toilet of a train." It means that something is simple, rugged, reliable, easy to maintain and fix and so on, but not very sofisticated or refined. Mainly, the toilet onboard the Finnish trains are not dumped on the tracks anymore. Sometimes the train toilets don't work like a toilet of train anymore. Otherwise, I am happy to se those old carriages still in use. I thought they were long gone. I might a bit nostalgic. As a teenager and young adult, I travelled by trains at least weekly and still like train rides. The new trains don't have the same atmosphere. But, almost as secret as this train is the upstairs of the intercity trains. The ticket is a bit, but only a bit, more expensive than the ordinary second class. However, there are seats facing the windows and with biggish table. I'd say it is more comfortable than the extra/business class! Kouvola is, indeed, almost as cosy as Pripyat, nowadays or how it used to be before the accident. However, the nearest nuclear power plant is a bit further away. The nearest RBMK reactor is somewhere near St Petersburg, not so far away...
This was a fun one, I didn't know any of these old commuter cars were still in service. The next few years are going to be interesting for Finnish trains, with the Sm6 units of the former Allegro trains (to Russia) returning in domestic service next year, and the new Sm7 Flirt trains due to start service in 2026. I think the first non-VR commuter services are also due to begin within a few years, with a private operator currently overhauling a dozen old Sm2 units to modernize them.
@@pernydev6844'SmX' is only a placeholder name (compare to Finnish Air Force 'HX' project), if nothing unexpected happens they will be named Sm7 according to established rolling stock naming conventions
I did my last year of uni in HUT in Helsiki in 2000, and I remember seeing these "Re 460" locos back than. I think these are the best looking modern locos by far.
Some 10 years ago these trains did Vaasa- Seinäjoki. As a uni student going back to home to Helsinki without a hurry I warmly remember these and the soft chairs before switching to pendolino in Seinäjoki for longer remaining trip to Helsinki.
We had a lot of these Eil wagons waiting to be scrapped on the Turku railyard. Brings back middle school memories when one of the junkies in our class brought an emergency hammer with him. They had taken them whilst vandalizing the old carriages lol. Btw one of the most interesting experiences was with VRs ”Pendolino replacement service”, which consisted mostly of blue wagons, but also had the last single-decker first class carriage in Finland. It had been removed from regular service after Allegro replaced the Sibelius service with single-decker IC carriages and the first class carriage which was a refurbished blue carriage in the original IC livery.
@@stefanholmstrom68 Yep, there’s rumors that VR quickly scrapped them because they didn’t want competitors to have reasonably priced rolling stock available :-O
Some fun facts: the Z-line is lovingly known as "Zetori" which is a Czech tractor manufacturer lol. I think the joke is about the comfort of the trip towards Kouvola (which is a meme city in Finland people love to hate.) To add to this the trip between Helsinki central railwaystation and Pasila is known as "linnunlaulu" or "bird's song". Because its fast and comfortable.
Helsinki's main railway station is truly beautiful! Since I'm Estonian I've visited it many times. It would be awesome if Tallinn's historic main railway station would still exist, but it was unfortunately demolished by the Soviets during occupation, and replaced by boring and characterless 'garage'. The historic building was finished in 1870 and was made after Otto Rudolf von Knüpffer's plans.
@@kidsinafrica3080Yes, unfortunately. It was part of their mentality. Thank God their plan of ripping off the medieval Old Town of Tallinn didn't fruition. They really had plans of building a highway through it 🤯
@@Simon-Andersen The Sr1 is only capable of 140kph, so using it would negate the 160kph capability of the carriages which you mentioned. I think the Sr1 is still used quite often on the slower lines where 140kph is as much as you get anyway, and for freight traffic.
@@Kromaatikse You are right, but actually quite often you do get Sr1 on this train. (I guess its because there a shit ton of them in Kouvola and not that many Sr2) For instance last tuesday and monday it was Sr1 on duty juliadata.fi/timetables?s=233&d=10.9.2024
The Sr1 is in fact capable of 160kph, and some units were set for the higher speed for some time but then restored back. It's only required a setting of the limiter a bit higher, I know someone who was working with the Strömberg control electronics who said that.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 Right, but there would be a reason why it's normally set to 140kph. Adjusting the limiter like that would be normal practice for attaining the 10% overspeed required in service acceptance tests, but there is probably a significant increase in motor wear and track forces at the higher speed. Note that in order to run in commercial service at 160kph, they would need to run acceptance tests at 176kph.
I remember being at the Helsinki main station and riding the Allegro to St Petersburg and back in 2017. I also have a photo of an Sm2 in white and red, the old VR livery.
Saw this train a few weeks ago whilst I was in Helsinki. I remember when these carriages were used on the commuter services to Riihimäki and you'd see several rakes in the sidings overnight there.
Hah, I took this almost every day in high school, because I'd take the 16:35 train when commuting home to Mäntsälä. It really is a fun nostalgic train.
Rode these many times, and I'm a weirdo and love them! I miss these carriages because of the windows that have the latches that you can open, and the cloth curtains are really cozy. I'm surely in the minority but I love sweltering summer train rides in the older trains, letting the warm breeze blow in from the window. The new trains are more modern and have better AC, but I like the down-to-earthness of the older styles, and have fond memories of riding them across the country as a kid a lot.
I loved the old blue pikajuna trains as a child. You could even open the doors and sit on the stairs back then. And the seats were much better. Now I'm forced to drive everywhere as the new seats are so bad that I'm crying from pain within an hour on an IC2 train.
A few corrections: - Every Eil and Eilf carrige has a toilet - There are sockets in the door area, so technically more than one, but it is inconvenient
82kmh for what is considered a commuter train is pretty amazing. Nitpick: you mentions "catching one of the few C trains that extend to Kouvola at 01:38 of your video and later, but the display shows it is a Z ( prounouced ZED unless you are in USA). Montréal Canada has has a similar arrangement on one line with most trains ending at Vaudreuil and one (now two) extended to Hudson. The two trains that extend to Hudson return to Vaudreuil after trip to Hudson to spend the night since EXO (train operator) has a yard and small maintenance facility. In the days of CP Rail, one train was extended to Rigaud (further west) and would overnight there (so crews had to commute to/from Rigaud). There was no point returning the train to Dorion since CP Rail had no maintenance facility there, just a yard. ( EXO built new station and maintenance facility in Vaudreuil between Dorion and Hudson, it did not exist in the days of CP Rail running service). The logistics of how you handle the trains overnight often dictate some of those odd service patterns that extend past your main "terminus" for a line. In the days of CP Rail, it puts its best train (air conditions, double deck gallery cars) on the 17:15 to Rigaud and it was express to Beaconsfield and then made stops, so it was their most popular train with older equipment on the other trains. The double deck train was reversible so did not need to be turned at Rigaud (though CP still had a wye there (gone now, as are the tracks).
I guess it depends on the accent regarding 'C' or 'Z.' We are taught a mix of American and British English here in Denmark, but I might have picked it up from watching American RUclips videos :P Interesting facts about the Canadian rail network! I'd love to be back in Canada at some point to try out more of the weird and funky commuter trains, and of course, the REM (I missed it by a few months)
I haven't ridden this one despite I living in Kerava for years now. Nice to see the old carriages are still in operation. I remeber them form my childhood - the repaint is quite different from what they used to be like.
The service is also pretty cool due to the fact it’s loco hauled and it also every now and then is hauled by the older Sr1 locomotives. I have taken lots of vids of the HLV trains. P.S I adore your videos and love the fact that you have the Sr3 Siemens Vectron as ur channel picture
I'd like to correvt you, on these trainsets there is a toilet in every carriage. At one end. The one special carriage (eilf) has the conductors cabin, thus the different layout.
@@Simon-Andersen at one end of each carriage, where the vestibule to the next carriage is! This is also something that makes it a quite unique commuter service, the large amount of toilets compared to more modern EMUs
4:15: That seems to be an A train. Those go to Leppävaara (A for "Alberga", the swedish name of Leppävaara), which although in Espoo, never goes all the way to the station named Espoo, not to mention Kirkkonummi. E trains continue to Espoo, but not to Kirkkonummi either. Only U, L, X and Y trains go all the way, of which U is the only one to go regularly throughout the day.
It’s so refreshing to see rolling stock and infrastructure that hasn’t been mindlessly tagged, graffitied or vandalised. Keep doing whatever it is you’re doing Scandinavia, it’s working. 👍🏻
They sometimes get graffities etc. But they're regularly washed and cleaned and if necessary then repainted (Like multiple times a week) I don't really understand countries that don't repaint their trains. The graffities look horrible on moving trains imo
These seem to be almost identical to the common intercity rolling stock in Croatia, although we also have compartment cars. These carriages even have buttons for opening the doors and those handles for the doors between the carriages, so you don't have to fight the doors while hauling two suitcases and a backpack. We still have some manual ones.
Ah yes, the electric outlet used by the cleaning crew! Classic! When the new commuter EMUs were ordered to stockholm they didnt order them with a bunch of outlets, just the ones used for cleaning. After a while they put up stickers pointing people to the few available outlets. Of course, the next batch of emus had more outlets since they realised their mistake.
You should consider not using those cleaning outlets on these trains since the electricity isn't made by on board inverters but take the power straight from the transformer which in turn gets it from the 1500 V supply from the locomotive. There isn't any filters between the outlet and the overhead wire, just two transformers stepping the voltage down. It could be quite messy and could fry your charger...
@@kaffeetasse9455 I personally haven't fried any chargers, but I have heard from the train staff that it has happened (I'm a train driver myself). I have tried to charge my phone from a "dirty" outlet on a locomotive and while the phone showed it was charging it gained somethin like 2 % in a half an hour after which the charger was hot as hell.
Recently I got some nice pictures of these sets in the depot, while I was also looking to photograph the rolling stock sitting there that used to be deployed to St Peterburg before the invasion/war. If I'd known you were in Helsinki I'd have loved to join you or spot your train, hope you come again.
Great video Simon👍💯 You're the best railway youtuber ever🏆 How was your summer? My summer was terrible cuz i've got broken arm around a month ago. But lucklily cast will be of on 25.9 in around week🎉.
This service will end on 13 December and is going to use Sm2 units after that, so now is the time to see this in Helsinki region. However on 15 December the Iisalmi-Ylivieska services are swapped from Dm12 diesel units to these Eil's.
bit weird using the previous name and logo for X for a recent posting, but cool video. Didn't know we still have older non-diesel non-intercity trains in regular use
Really, I've been to the Helsinki railway station many times, and the only time I ever bought anything from there was beer. That's the only thing that's not horribly overpriced there. It was only overpriced, not horribly so.
I would argue that Pasila is more important if you exclude the local trains(maybe even if you include HSL Pasila is the station west"Espoo" meats north"Vantaa"), like they should make Pasila the main station and only have local train go to that dead end station. Dunno how Tampere scores but I would assume its bigger than Helsinki because of being like in the middle of every route. For local traffic then Helsinki is probably biggest.
That trip was 100 miles... and I must say that the USA has indeed regressed, when you had better trains than you have today even before World War II...😮
I hate how bulky all of the new commuter trains are. Sm4 is pretty bulky but not too bad, Sm5 is already too bulky but the new soon to come trains are so bulky that they look more like intercity trains. I wish commuter services still used mostly Sm1 and Sm2.
I learned two think in this video. That this train have toilet and i missed last door view. I dont remember how many times i used that train and always think that there isnt toilet and now i know that there was toilet. If i know last door that you can see so well outside, i would be there always looking outside. I missed so much 😭 Now i live different place so i dont get to see it anymore.
>Showing toilets on an old SM2 train *nervous laughter* Atleast you know where the finnish saying "toimii kuin junan vessa" or "works (properly), like a train's toilet" come from. Straight to the tracks, and nothing in between to break or malfunction.
@@eesti919 Probably when the new Skoda trains arrive, i did a video on the flirts a few years ago :D ruclips.net/video/Ik10SyjdjzA/видео.htmlsi=nmpxQ2L1gH80BtQr
I dont have problem with that, Simon. Kouvola is the city where my family is from. Are you coming back to Finland any time soon? You need to come to our Museum Locomotive society at Haapamäki. Would be nice to show you around 😊
Well there's an even more unknown type of rail, the Finnish railbus network, tehere aren't that many routes but they're quite cool, you just won't find them in Helsinki. Which Helsinki is an awful city...
Rail buses have had a lot of problems in recent years. They are so small that VR has had to transport some passengers on buses when the train is full. A few rail buses have already ended up being scrapped, so there is also a shortage of them.
Yes they are not excatly amazing but quite cool! I did a very little video on them back when i lived in Finland ruclips.net/video/GHnwQO9pVeI/видео.html
Just heads up if you do not know yet, you need consent from every person when you film/take photos in Finland (unless you are part of press etc). Usually people don't mind that much because they don't want to cause trouble but they definetly are annoyed about it. At worst case (repeately breaking the law and causing harm to others) you could end up in jail for 1 year. Because you are posting the videos online for everyone to see, those in video can take actions against you easier also. So be careful when filming in Finland.
@Simon-Andersen Yes, I watched the video. I'm talking about my own experiences of travelling by train in Finland over 25 years. Do you think 90€ for a student ticket is cheap??? That is what one have to pay for a round trip by train Helsinki-Vaasa. The train going north are Never in time.
The train sits at Lahti for 8 minutes so the conductor has time to lock the last 2 carriages out of use due to short platforms
@simonandersen look at this comment
That makes a ton of sense! Thanks for sharing
But wasn't he sitting in the last carriage?
@@finnishrailways1069 would be locking out the platform doors, so that way you wouldn't be stepping out onto nothing at a station
@@finnishrailways1069 He switched seats in Lahti.
You can see him enter a carridge closer to the front at 8:42 and also for extra confirmation see that he walks forward in the train to get to his seat at 10:37.
I see the beauty of the Kouvostoliitto is well known to foreigners as well, loved the reference images 😄
One of my favorite things about the VR trains is that everytime i have asked the driver if i can take a peek in the drivers cabin, they always let me, even as an adult
No wonder i thought "ha, these are like the most common trains around!" considering i am from Kouvola
Yep! I think those also run to Kotka. I used to live in Kouvola and used this one in this Spring if I remember correctly.
they don’t. Sm2s run which are the two carriage trains or multiple units but that one consists of carriages and its not a multiple unit. That runs between helsinki and kouvola only.
Did you know there is a connection between Helsinki railway station and the Gateway Arch -monument in St Louis? Their architects were father and son, Eliel Saarinen and Eero Saarinen.
No but that is very interesting!
There are still lots of red inside the wagons. These used also be painted dark red outside before the current white and green appearance was taken into use. In early days the long-distance wagons were dark blue so these commuter wagons could be easily distinguished.
We have something somewhat similar in Stockholm as well. Trains 785/782 Stockholm - Hallsberg and return is a once-daily peak time loco hauled service via Västerås and Örebro. It was always an interesting drive back in my days as a Hagalund driver, both because I rarely got to drive the line as I wasn't qualified on the X40 EMU, and because the 8-coach train was too long for many of the platforms on the line.
In Finnish language there is a saying "...works like a toilet of a train." It means that something is simple, rugged, reliable, easy to maintain and fix and so on, but not very sofisticated or refined. Mainly, the toilet onboard the Finnish trains are not dumped on the tracks anymore. Sometimes the train toilets don't work like a toilet of train anymore.
Otherwise, I am happy to se those old carriages still in use. I thought they were long gone. I might a bit nostalgic. As a teenager and young adult, I travelled by trains at least weekly and still like train rides. The new trains don't have the same atmosphere. But, almost as secret as this train is the upstairs of the intercity trains. The ticket is a bit, but only a bit, more expensive than the ordinary second class. However, there are seats facing the windows and with biggish table. I'd say it is more comfortable than the extra/business class!
Kouvola is, indeed, almost as cosy as Pripyat, nowadays or how it used to be before the accident. However, the nearest nuclear power plant is a bit further away. The nearest RBMK reactor is somewhere near St Petersburg, not so far away...
That's the nicest looking modern station I've ever seen
1919 is modern?
About 2 to 3 years ago one Pendolino train broke so VR used those vagons to get passengers from Kouvola to Kuopio.
This was a fun one, I didn't know any of these old commuter cars were still in service. The next few years are going to be interesting for Finnish trains, with the Sm6 units of the former Allegro trains (to Russia) returning in domestic service next year, and the new Sm7 Flirt trains due to start service in 2026. I think the first non-VR commuter services are also due to begin within a few years, with a private operator currently overhauling a dozen old Sm2 units to modernize them.
Lots of cool things happening, looking forward to revisiting over the next few years
The new units are actually called SmX.
@@pernydev6844'SmX' is only a placeholder name (compare to Finnish Air Force 'HX' project), if nothing unexpected happens they will be named Sm7 according to established rolling stock naming conventions
I did my last year of uni in HUT in Helsiki in 2000, and I remember seeing these "Re 460" locos back than. I think these are the best looking modern locos by far.
Even better looking in SBB red. I hope they will continue running for a while.
@@markusstudeli2997the last truly „swiss made“ locos
RIP SLM
Some 10 years ago these trains did Vaasa- Seinäjoki. As a uni student going back to home to Helsinki without a hurry I warmly remember these and the soft chairs before switching to pendolino in Seinäjoki for longer remaining trip to Helsinki.
We had a lot of these Eil wagons waiting to be scrapped on the Turku railyard. Brings back middle school memories when one of the junkies in our class brought an emergency hammer with him. They had taken them whilst vandalizing the old carriages lol.
Btw one of the most interesting experiences was with VRs ”Pendolino replacement service”, which consisted mostly of blue wagons, but also had the last single-decker first class carriage in Finland. It had been removed from regular service after Allegro replaced the Sibelius service with single-decker IC carriages and the first class carriage which was a refurbished blue carriage in the original IC livery.
It was really sad to see the way those wagons were just left to be destroyed in Turku, just a stone's throw (pun intended) from the centre of Turku.
@@stefanholmstrom68 Yep, there’s rumors that VR quickly scrapped them because they didn’t want competitors to have reasonably priced rolling stock available :-O
Finland again💪🏻
Hello from USA. Thank you for an enjoyable and informative video, in perfect English.
Thanks for watching and the nice words!
Thank you for sharing this. Its beautiful from beginning and on and on.
The toilets in those carriages are the best. Always work, and tend to be in a decent shape as there's nothing expensive that can break.
Some fun facts: the Z-line is lovingly known as "Zetori" which is a Czech tractor manufacturer lol. I think the joke is about the comfort of the trip towards Kouvola (which is a meme city in Finland people love to hate.) To add to this the trip between Helsinki central railwaystation and Pasila is known as "linnunlaulu" or "bird's song". Because its fast and comfortable.
Helsinki's main railway station is truly beautiful! Since I'm Estonian I've visited it many times. It would be awesome if Tallinn's historic main railway station would still exist, but it was unfortunately demolished by the Soviets during occupation, and replaced by boring and characterless 'garage'. The historic building was finished in 1870 and was made after Otto Rudolf von Knüpffer's plans.
Soviets destroyed so many beautiful historical buildings
@@kidsinafrica3080Yes, unfortunately. It was part of their mentality. Thank God their plan of ripping off the medieval Old Town of Tallinn didn't fruition. They really had plans of building a highway through it 🤯
Taken it twice but never all the way to Kouvola - both times I had Sr1 haulage which was a treat!
Man i was hoping it would be a Sr1 but unfortunately not that day
@@Simon-Andersen The Sr1 is only capable of 140kph, so using it would negate the 160kph capability of the carriages which you mentioned. I think the Sr1 is still used quite often on the slower lines where 140kph is as much as you get anyway, and for freight traffic.
@@Kromaatikse You are right, but actually quite often you do get Sr1 on this train. (I guess its because there a shit ton of them in Kouvola and not that many Sr2) For instance last tuesday and monday it was Sr1 on duty juliadata.fi/timetables?s=233&d=10.9.2024
The Sr1 is in fact capable of 160kph, and some units were set for the higher speed for some time but then restored back. It's only required a setting of the limiter a bit higher, I know someone who was working with the Strömberg control electronics who said that.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 Right, but there would be a reason why it's normally set to 140kph. Adjusting the limiter like that would be normal practice for attaining the 10% overspeed required in service acceptance tests, but there is probably a significant increase in motor wear and track forces at the higher speed. Note that in order to run in commercial service at 160kph, they would need to run acceptance tests at 176kph.
I remember being at the Helsinki main station and riding the Allegro to St Petersburg and back in 2017. I also have a photo of an Sm2 in white and red, the old VR livery.
Excellent video
I love them, they feel so special as all the other lines are driven with EMU's
Saw this train a few weeks ago whilst I was in Helsinki. I remember when these carriages were used on the commuter services to Riihimäki and you'd see several rakes in the sidings overnight there.
the old long range trains back in the day used to have ridiculously comfortable seats
Oh boy, I have one brown colored class1 seat from old scrapped sinivalkoinen. It's like sofa.
Hah, I took this almost every day in high school, because I'd take the 16:35 train when commuting home to Mäntsälä. It really is a fun nostalgic train.
8:44 "the most beautiful city" 😂 Definedly the most beautiful
Kouvostoliitto
Rode these many times, and I'm a weirdo and love them! I miss these carriages because of the windows that have the latches that you can open, and the cloth curtains are really cozy. I'm surely in the minority but I love sweltering summer train rides in the older trains, letting the warm breeze blow in from the window. The new trains are more modern and have better AC, but I like the down-to-earthness of the older styles, and have fond memories of riding them across the country as a kid a lot.
Nothing wrong with that, some old trains will just be special, but i think most commuters now value AC :P
I loved the old blue pikajuna trains as a child. You could even open the doors and sit on the stairs back then. And the seats were much better. Now I'm forced to drive everywhere as the new seats are so bad that I'm crying from pain within an hour on an IC2 train.
A few corrections:
- Every Eil and Eilf carrige has a toilet
- There are sockets in the door area, so technically more than one, but it is inconvenient
82kmh for what is considered a commuter train is pretty amazing.
Nitpick: you mentions "catching one of the few C trains that extend to Kouvola at 01:38 of your video and later, but the display shows it is a Z ( prounouced ZED unless you are in USA).
Montréal Canada has has a similar arrangement on one line with most trains ending at Vaudreuil and one (now two) extended to Hudson. The two trains that extend to Hudson return to Vaudreuil after trip to Hudson to spend the night since EXO (train operator) has a yard and small maintenance facility. In the days of CP Rail, one train was extended to Rigaud (further west) and would overnight there (so crews had to commute to/from Rigaud). There was no point returning the train to Dorion since CP Rail had no maintenance facility there, just a yard. ( EXO built new station and maintenance facility in Vaudreuil between Dorion and Hudson, it did not exist in the days of CP Rail running service).
The logistics of how you handle the trains overnight often dictate some of those odd service patterns that extend past your main "terminus" for a line.
In the days of CP Rail, it puts its best train (air conditions, double deck gallery cars) on the 17:15 to Rigaud and it was express to Beaconsfield and then made stops, so it was their most popular train with older equipment on the other trains. The double deck train was reversible so did not need to be turned at Rigaud (though CP still had a wye there (gone now, as are the tracks).
I guess it depends on the accent regarding 'C' or 'Z.' We are taught a mix of American and British English here in Denmark, but I might have picked it up from watching American RUclips videos :P
Interesting facts about the Canadian rail network! I'd love to be back in Canada at some point to try out more of the weird and funky commuter trains, and of course, the REM (I missed it by a few months)
I haven't ridden this one despite I living in Kerava for years now. Nice to see the old carriages are still in operation. I remeber them form my childhood - the repaint is quite different from what they used to be like.
The service is also pretty cool due to the fact it’s loco hauled and it also every now and then is hauled by the older Sr1 locomotives. I have taken lots of vids of the HLV trains.
P.S I adore your videos and love the fact that you have the Sr3 Siemens Vectron as ur channel picture
I was really hoping to have an Sr1 for the video but i was not lucky! Thanks for watching my videos :D
Excellent video, but did notice some creative borrowing of the TimTraveller catchphrase 😁
I love Tims videos, must have subcutaneously picked it up form him :D
I'd like to correvt you, on these trainsets there is a toilet in every carriage. At one end. The one special carriage (eilf) has the conductors cabin, thus the different layout.
Really? I walked through the entire train but only spotted it at the eilf carriage. I don't doubt I might have missed it somehow 😆
@@Simon-Andersen at one end of each carriage, where the vestibule to the next carriage is! This is also something that makes it a quite unique commuter service, the large amount of toilets compared to more modern EMUs
There seems to be a nice tradition of VR buying Swiss rolling stock with the Stadler Flirts replacing the RE 460 hauled carriages.
4:15: That seems to be an A train. Those go to Leppävaara (A for "Alberga", the swedish name of Leppävaara), which although in Espoo, never goes all the way to the station named Espoo, not to mention Kirkkonummi. E trains continue to Espoo, but not to Kirkkonummi either. Only U, L, X and Y trains go all the way, of which U is the only one to go regularly throughout the day.
well no X trains anymore
Thats why i said "The line towards" a refrence to the railway itself, not a specific station or service operated :-)
It’s so refreshing to see rolling stock and infrastructure that hasn’t been mindlessly tagged, graffitied or vandalised. Keep doing whatever it is you’re doing Scandinavia, it’s working. 👍🏻
They sometimes get graffities etc. But they're regularly washed and cleaned and if necessary then repainted (Like multiple times a week)
I don't really understand countries that don't repaint their trains. The graffities look horrible on moving trains imo
These seem to be almost identical to the common intercity rolling stock in Croatia, although we also have compartment cars. These carriages even have buttons for opening the doors and those handles for the doors between the carriages, so you don't have to fight the doors while hauling two suitcases and a backpack. We still have some manual ones.
Ah yes, the electric outlet used by the cleaning crew! Classic!
When the new commuter EMUs were ordered to stockholm they didnt order them with a bunch of outlets, just the ones used for cleaning.
After a while they put up stickers pointing people to the few available outlets.
Of course, the next batch of emus had more outlets since they realised their mistake.
You should consider not using those cleaning outlets on these trains since the electricity isn't made by on board inverters but take the power straight from the transformer which in turn gets it from the 1500 V supply from the locomotive. There isn't any filters between the outlet and the overhead wire, just two transformers stepping the voltage down. It could be quite messy and could fry your charger...
@@laju Never had any problems using chargers on these kinds of outlets, even with 16.7 Hz most are working just fine.
@@kaffeetasse9455 I personally haven't fried any chargers, but I have heard from the train staff that it has happened (I'm a train driver myself). I have tried to charge my phone from a "dirty" outlet on a locomotive and while the phone showed it was charging it gained somethin like 2 % in a half an hour after which the charger was hot as hell.
Great video
i remember there being a similiar going between Iisalmi and Ylivieska. I used that to get home from Kajaani during my military service :)
Recently I got some nice pictures of these sets in the depot, while I was also looking to photograph the rolling stock sitting there that used to be deployed to St Peterburg before the invasion/war. If I'd known you were in Helsinki I'd have loved to join you or spot your train, hope you come again.
I'll for sure be back in Finland again! Looking forward to the Allegos being put back in service
wait what are kouvola-jokes known worldwide? 😂
Probably the first thing that comes up if you Google it. 😂
I spent almost 2 years living in Turku, so i did pick up some finnish jokes :P
finland 😍
A Re 460 with a auto coupler intresting love to see it here we are using hooks like we had no tecnical upragdes for centuries
Well...me living in the middle of nowhere in Finland we still got diesel trains with perhaps even older carriages.
You probably get Dm12 which surprisingly is from 2005!
Great video Simon👍💯 You're the best railway youtuber ever🏆 How was your summer? My summer was terrible cuz i've got broken arm around a month ago. But lucklily cast will be of on 25.9 in around week🎉.
I had a great summer! I hope yours was still enjoyable despite the injury
@@Simon-Andersen Rest of summer was okay😊
I remember the distinctive scent of the coal heated/fired SZD/RZD sleeper carriages ... ;-)
oh no
guy went to Kouvola
I luckily survived it 💪
@@Simon-Andersen My condolences for visiting Kouvola
This service will end on 13 December and is going to use Sm2 units after that, so now is the time to see this in Helsinki region. However on 15 December the Iisalmi-Ylivieska services are swapped from Dm12 diesel units to these Eil's.
That's very cool! Time for a trip up north for me i think! I assume they are gonna run very short trains up there?
Cool to see Helsinki train station close up as it is one of the models in TpF2
It sounds like you say it's from 1990, but it is from 1919
He definitely says 1919
It's the Danish accent, we trend to be a bit weak on the letters at the end of a word 😁
Very well documented.
Many thanks!
bit weird using the previous name and logo for X for a recent posting, but cool video. Didn't know we still have older non-diesel non-intercity trains in regular use
I just havent taken the time to update the template I use since I still call it Twitter xd Glad I could show you something new about your railways!
Those Finnish trains seem to be nicer than the commuter rail we have in our community in Chicago.
You could test VR trains in Sweden, Stockholm-Göteborg..
Waiting for a few more of them to be repainted :)
I took these trains many times, the fastest it ever went was 160km/h, going from Oulu to Helsinki feels long as heck.
All trains Oulu Helsinki now go 200 km/h for significant portions of the journey.
@@Simon-Andersen that's even better 🙌🏼
if you love the old train models, you really need to take night train S to oulu/rovaniemi. it still uses carts from 90's
I did! The one to Kolari, a real fun trip i made a video about here :D ruclips.net/video/x2obQ9ix9-E/видео.htmlsi=fS0_bW-Bm3arHvcu
the trains fit Kouvola's Astehtic very well. will be a shame when they stop going "home"
the design of the trees on the train is funny 😀
I actually have seen that specific train once
Video suggestion: ride the T train (also known as tuskajuna) from Riihimäki to Helsinki at 4am with the drug addicts and drunken people 👍
8:44 Oh, thats funny man. The Soviet Republic of Kouvola aka Kouvostoliitto.
Really, I've been to the Helsinki railway station many times, and the only time I ever bought anything from there was beer. That's the only thing that's not horribly overpriced there. It was only overpriced, not horribly so.
I would argue that Pasila is more important if you exclude the local trains(maybe even if you include HSL Pasila is the station west"Espoo" meats north"Vantaa"), like they should make Pasila the main station and only have local train go to that dead end station. Dunno how Tampere scores but I would assume its bigger than Helsinki because of being like in the middle of every route. For local traffic then Helsinki is probably biggest.
Finding this one day after coming back from Helsinki is wild. Were we there at the same time?
Nope! Filmed in August, i don't edit that fast haha
i gotta say, as someone who was been a lot on these trains, I would hate seeing them go since they feel so homey
that's exactly where I go every day to school
haha the train I ride home after spending time in Helsinki! Last ridden on Sunday!
That would be impressive because this train does not run regulary on sundays :P
@@Simon-Andersen sorry I expressed myself badly; what I mean is that that is the line with which I go home. I am not a train expert😂
@@TheGhostofCarlSchmitt no need to be sorry I gotcha now 😆 Never know in my comment section how train nerdy people are 😅
Reminds me of US trains in post WWII - nothing fancy for a 200 mile trip.
That trip was 100 miles... and I must say that the USA has indeed regressed, when you had better trains than you have today even before World War II...😮
I hate how bulky all of the new commuter trains are. Sm4 is pretty bulky but not too bad, Sm5 is already too bulky but the new soon to come trains are so bulky that they look more like intercity trains. I wish commuter services still used mostly Sm1 and Sm2.
Soon this one is being retired, or not completely, it will be used between iisalmi and ylivieska due to the railway being electrified
In 2013 during the summer I had to take a similar train, and I hated it. No AC and it was like 30c outdoors. Everyone was sweating their balls off.
Great video, though I was expecting to see something exciting and not the train I use several times per month 😂
Haha thanks! Was bound to get this video recommended to at least one who use this train
Fun? fact:
On friday that train drove with one door open between the last and second-last stop.
Eil on top fr
I learned two think in this video. That this train have toilet and i missed last door view. I dont remember how many times i used that train and always think that there isnt toilet and now i know that there was toilet. If i know last door that you can see so well outside, i would be there always looking outside. I missed so much 😭
Now i live different place so i dont get to see it anymore.
nice Re 460 Locomotive
Haarajoki, of course, not to be confused with Harajuku
Recently I went on an R train to Järvenpää on the R line and it was that train
Intresting, i don't think that happens very often. You sure it was not a Sm2? They have a similar old interior.
@@Simon-Andersen I'm sure it was that one, because they had those exact same chairs and I sat on that tip-up seat.
@@santeripit7740 oh wow! That does not happen very often, so that's quite a rare catch :D
>Showing toilets on an old SM2 train
*nervous laughter*
Atleast you know where the finnish saying "toimii kuin junan vessa" or "works (properly), like a train's toilet" come from. Straight to the tracks, and nothing in between to break or malfunction.
When was this filmed?
August 2024
Sad that you had a Sr2 locomotive when you traveled. It would be nice if you'd had a Sr1 loco from 1973
I was really hoping for it but didn't have luck with the random loco generator that day :(
@@Simon-Andersen By the way have you tested the Light rail? Are you making a video of It? Plz
@@Finnishtrains Yes i filmed it on this trip, but it will probably be a while before i get around to edit it.
Pieksämäki Varkaus also has some kind of crappy old blue train
I think thats now a dm12 a small 1 car train
Loco-hauled blue trains on similar routes were discontinued over a decade ago, now it's Dm12 or those annoying replacement buses
not the last one. g train lahti-riihimäki is an old train.
@@ssalovaa No, Lathi Rihimaki is a Sm2 which is different from this on and still used on many lines, like R in the peak or the Kotka line
Joke on that the train name in Z-line and Kouvola is know as Kouvostoliitto (Soviet union)
Are you also visiting the Baltics?
I'm coming to Lithuania fairly soon!
@@Simon-Andersen Awesome! Estonia too would like to have a word.
@@eesti919 Probably when the new Skoda trains arrive, i did a video on the flirts a few years ago :D ruclips.net/video/Ik10SyjdjzA/видео.htmlsi=nmpxQ2L1gH80BtQr
Beautiful station and Kouvola station… Simon, really? 🤣🤣🤣
I just love concrete
I dont have problem with that, Simon. Kouvola is the city where my family is from. Are you coming back to Finland any time soon? You need to come to our Museum Locomotive society at Haapamäki. Would be nice to show you around 😊
Olen asunut muissakin maissa. Kouvola ei ole ollenkaan pahimmasta päästä.
I dare you to take train to siuntio and then make video aboit how to get back to helsinki
Stay on the same train when it returns :P
I talk about this all the time.
And even if you dont upgrade to 350 kmh at first, you could just put a proper night train on the route like we have in europe...
the train was close to my house
Well there's an even more unknown type of rail, the Finnish railbus network, tehere aren't that many routes but they're quite cool, you just won't find them in Helsinki. Which Helsinki is an awful city...
Rail buses have had a lot of problems in recent years. They are so small that VR has had to transport some passengers on buses when the train is full. A few rail buses have already ended up being scrapped, so there is also a shortage of them.
@@konemieskou I know...
Yes they are not excatly amazing but quite cool! I did a very little video on them back when i lived in Finland ruclips.net/video/GHnwQO9pVeI/видео.html
Naakka etsi hyönteisiä veturin keulasta.
It's an all-you can-eat buffet 😀
Worst one there is, good luck getting a double stroller in there.
Yeah the newer Sm4 are better for that!
the istanbul to sivas train in Turkiye is something you have to see❤️❤️
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Just heads up if you do not know yet, you need consent from every person when you film/take photos in Finland (unless you are part of press etc). Usually people don't mind that much because they don't want to cause trouble but they definetly are annoyed about it. At worst case (repeately breaking the law and causing harm to others) you could end up in jail for 1 year.
Because you are posting the videos online for everyone to see, those in video can take actions against you easier also. So be careful when filming in Finland.
Who makes these cr...pppp truth articles?
0:32 Как же похорошел Киев при Кличко
Trains in Finland are NEVER cheap and NEVER on time
Did you even watch the video lol, the train ran ontime and tickets between Helsinki and Kouvola start at 6 euro if you book in advance.
@Simon-Andersen Yes, I watched the video. I'm talking about my own experiences of travelling by train in Finland over 25 years. Do you think 90€ for a student ticket is cheap??? That is what one have to pay for a round trip by train Helsinki-Vaasa.
The train going north are Never in time.
@@ninaforss4450 Trains are on time most of the time