I just received mine a couple days ago and its like a mini fridge. My wife hasn't complained one bit about its presence even with the big circular grill on.
I preordered 2 of them to replace my single VTF-2 MK5. I’ve been wanting taller speaker stands for my CCB-8s. So this was a quintuple whammy for me and my setup: great starting price, on sale, going from single to dual subs, taller speaker stands, and from a highly reputable company. I am very excited.
I've had a Hsu VTF-2 mk5 for 4 years and I am always amazed how good it is. I met Dr. Hsu at a hifi show in San Francisco years ago and he is a very nice gentleman who eats, breathes and dreams about subwoofers! I cant wait for the review.
Jean, to ignore the proper way to say HSU is ignorant and arrogant. As you know, and as you heard again, that is a person’s name. To rationalize different is disrespectful.
I love my VTF-3 MK5 subwoofer. Drove up to Irvine and picked it up directly. $799 back in 2014.. incredible value and Extreme Bassaholic Room Size rating. TN1 will be even more insane. only the Tone Winner subs can compete in terms of bang for the buck. The Tone Winner SW-D6000 is a beast that outperforms most other subs.. would love to see the TN1 vs SW-D6000 REW results
I never bought the VTF-15 strickly because of the depth restrictions in my room. This new sub is perfect for my situation, and I am excited to be in on the presale.
I’ve had the 15H since it was a new product. Since then, I’ve done the senior downsizing routine, so it’s now in a room about half the size. The other new development is the move to multiple subs. Over the past few years. One wonders what the impact of adding the TN1 to the existing 15H would be for volumes likely lower than the average Audioholic listening space.
I have owned the VTF-15MK2 for about 5 years, awesome sub, HSU makes great subs. To be honest though I prefer the side ports on the VTF-15MK2 for ease of access. Also I applaud the new model for the extended bass response but the truth is there is not a lot of content in that extreme low range anyway, as it is I have to turn mine down when watching movies vs just listening to music. I’m glad HSU is further developing the product line but I won’t be selling my VTF-15MK2 anytime soon, extremely happy with it.
Just bought two rp1400s for 1500 with tax and shipping. I have a large room so I am guessing this was good bang for the buck, but curious for comparisons.
I’m very interested in you guys testing the new Ascendo Active Sealed 16” subwoofer. They posted their CEA-2010 measurements, and it seems to be very competitive for the price and performance. Thanks in advance.
I am still using my HSU Research sub with an outboard amp that I bought back in the 90’s! 12 inch speaker, 2 downfiring ports, reaches 20hz, round cabinet. It’s amazing and still going strong!
I saw an older thread where someone showed the CEA-2010 charts with THD numbers of a HSU VTF-15 MK2 compared to a Rythmik FV-15HP. Compared to the HSU the Rythmik had extremely low distortion, especially below about 30hz. Can someone with more knowledge explain if THD really even matters at those lowest frequencies, and does it affect the sound signature of the sub? The specs on the Rythmik seem amazing, but buying dual HSU would save me $1k, which could go towards other gear upgrades. Thoughts?
@@docwho10th88 Yes to both! It's not a massive difference but I did an A&B test while I had both and the TN1 is a bit louder and punches a bit more. Biggest difference is little to no port noise. My MKII was noisy at times.
I own 2 VTF2 mk5s currently and pre ordered the TN1 to upgrade . Been wanting to take the next jump up from the 12s .. small room set to 1 mlp (12x14) looking forward to seeing how this hits :)
What chaps my hide is that there are a lot of subs out there that can dig deep, and yet the soundtrack mixing industry is more often than not nowadays filtering out low bass frequencies to cater to the soundbar crowd. Grrr!
Still waiting for a manufactuter that will make sub for human hearing, not measurement mics. Which means +12 dB at like 15 Hz, + 9dB at 20 Hz, +6 dB at 25 Hz, +3 dB at 30 Hz and go at 0 dB flat till the crossover, without harmonics or port chuffing, that can actually go to 115ish dB at the flat response and +12 dB to the lower extension, meaning 127 dB at 15 Hz, clean sinewave.
How would this compare to the Klipsch 1600?? i listen to music and movies (streaming) what would give me the hardest hitting bass. I like the "club" bass
Based on the CEA-2010 burst data, they both have similar mid-bass output which is what you would term 'club bass.' If you like punchy bass in that range, you might actually try to get one of the last Hsu VTF-15h MKIIs which will have a bit more output in that range.
@@jameslarson2277 I have dual VTF-15h MKII and was going to add dual VTF3 MK5 since VTF-15H MKII are sold out. However, I pre-order two of VTF-TN1. Do you think VTF3-MK5 would match better with 15H than TN1?
@@spatel30 The VTF-15h MKII is going to be a better match with the VTF-TN1. You want to adjust the tuning frequencies so that they are the closest. So use the VTF-15h MKII in 'max extension' mode with one port closed, and use the VTF-TN1 with both ports open in 'max output' mode. That should get you the closest matching low-end between these subs.
Gene, I am so excited to see a new product from Hsu since my system is all Hsu subs (ULS15mk2, VTF3mk4, VTF15H.) I have a question for you, although if you say "wait for our review of the TN1," I will understand. (But any advice you can give me now would also be appreciated.) I was considering upgrading all of my subs to the same model for more consistency but also to see if I could get performance improvements. Now I am considering two options: (1) two or three Hsu TN-1s (because I want the smaller footprint,) or (2) two JTR RS1s. I know the price differences, so please disregard price if you are kind enough to respond to me. (I actually want at least two Perlistens, R212s or better, but that does get too expensive for me.) My question is: will the JTRs give me better infrasonics AND tighter bass (better group delay) than the new Hsu subs? Or am I better off saving myself a few grand because the Hsus will give me almost or the same performance, in every metric, as two JTRs?
The JTRs will have superior group delay, but probably only in very deep frequencies. The Hsu's group delay will spike up around port tuning, but the port tuning frequency on these subs are so low that I don't expect it will have a major impact on the sound. The nature of the low-end roll-off and the way you calibrate the system will have a much greater impact on the sound than group delay. Either an all-JTR or all-Hsu system would be great. I would guess that if you like how your VTF-15h MKII sounds, you will like the VTF-TN1.
You'd be hard pressed to find better performance at this price point. I have been pleasantly surprised by how my ULS 15 MK2's perform. They served me well prior to replacing them
Tempted to add one of these for 2-channel / mains sub. I already have a SVS SB16 and I like it, but there is no way to avoid the built-in DSP delay and it doesn't have high-level inputs, so that makes 2 channel direct listening a massive logistical challenge. For bass-managed and distance-processed listening, the built-in DSP isn't a problem because all the speakers and the sub are getting delay correction anyway. Your receiver just subtracts 2-3 feet from the physical sub distance and everything evens out. But when you go direct, there's no way to avoid that the SVS DSP has a 3 ms delay, and it sounds weird and phasey. So I'm realizing that while the SB16 is great for movies or processed music, if I want to go direct (and I DEFINTELY need to go direct, because it makes a big difference thanks to all receivers' crap internal re-sampling), the SB16 is the wrong tool for the job. A "dumb" all-analog sub that digs as deep as the SB16, like this, is a much better solution. I've been there and done that with REL and they are an absolute joke. HSU is mighty tempting, enough that I almost regret buying the SB16 in the first place.
I run two Adam Sub12's in my home theater and chose them primarily because of the downfiring ports. I bought them also to save on space. Surprisingly, my Rythmik F18 and FV15HP2 have been collecting dust ever since. I may end up selling them with how well these Adam's have performed with their insanely tight, controlled bass, unstressed by anything thrown at them. This new HSU reminds me of the Adam sub footprint and I wish them success with their new flagship product.
Too bad the shipping to Canada is really expensive, 700 $ extra with shipping and tax. Considering the tone winner D 4000 since it's free shipping. any thoughts on tone winner subs compared to HSU?
I have a pair of VTF-15H mk2 and have it tuned in my dedicated theater and it is amazing. Deep, powerful but not boomy. I’m interested but I have a fear of upsetting the balance in my room.
I'm in an apartment so downfiring is the last type of sub I would want though I do also have an M&K MX-105 which doesn't necessarily fire downwards but it does have the backside exposed to the floor.
I was so shocked to see a new HSU product in my inbox! I was actually saving up for the old flagship model (I have a ULS MKII) and I have to say, I think the design of the old model looks more striking and upscale. I'm very curious how the grill looks. I also think visually seeing the ports is cooler, but I get why he went for the small footprint here.
i built my own subs using 2 um18's. i bought a 12s and was thoroughly unimpressed with it. ntm the nightmare i had returning it. ill prob never order direct from manufacturer ever again. ill stick w the big box stores from now on. that is if i feel the need to buy a pre made sub. from now on ill just make my own as they perform beyond expectations. looks like an interesting sub though and i would def try one out for testing.
@@demonreturns4336 i could not feel the bass at all. the bass wasnt clean as well. it literally has 0 impact at all. with the size of itt youd expect it to have good impact. the other issue is once i go above 1/2 volume its as if it loses power and is easily overwhelmed. my 2 towers and remaining speakers easily overpower it. it even hits less harder than it did before. as a result of that it gets much more quiet. they blamed my receiver so i bought a new pioneer 305. they then told me my receiver was the issue again to which i laughed. so i wasted money on a new receiver i didnt need as well. i have a bluetooth jbl 10" soundbar sub that hits harder than the 12s. i planned on buying 2 but went w one instead to test. im glad i did. i built 2 1um18's instead. returning it was a whole other fiasco as well. they made up every excuse as well to not return it. dont even get me started on that one. i guarantee they get alot of returns. if youd like a sub with 0 impact perhaps you may like it. myself i buy a sub not only for the clean bass which it doesnt have but also for impact. my um's are much cleaner as well as deeper. the um's are some of the cleanest bass ive heard surprisingly. now granted mine are 18's but id bet you money the 12's are the same clean deep bass. the return process was an utter nightmare as well. they will keep 150 bucks out of your 799 no matter what. needless to say id go w someone else. someone much more reputable.
@@demonreturns4336 it's performance was terrible. You couldn't feel the bass at all. My jbl 12" sound bar sub hit harder. Then the higher you turned it up it performed worse. Almost as if the am isn't powerful enough. My buddy even said the same thing. He couldn't believe how bad it sucked. They told me my reciever was bad so I bought a brand new pioneer and same issue. I then called back and they told me it was my reciever again. To which I laughed and said oh my brand new reciever is bad too. It was never the reciever it was the shitty sub. Returning it was an utter nightmare. I would steer clear from them at all costs. I just seen this response so sorry for the late reply.
"Classic variable tuning frequency (VTF) with dual 4” down-firing ports - hidden from the dogs, cats, and toddlers." I saw this on their website and I couldn't help but chuckle. I had a cat and if she wasn't sitting on my subwoofers, she was too busy attacking it, LOL!
Any concerns blocking the bottom ports with thick carpet? I'm concerned the sub's weight will smush it into my carpet which would block the port essentially muffling or making it more of a sealed sub.
I’ve owned two VTF-15H mkII subs for several years and I love them. Having the ports on the bottom of the TN1 seems less accessible to seal them for the variable tuning frequencies. The subs can maybe be tipped for access but that could get tricky in some room locations. I also wouldn’t want to move my sub, even a little, when listening to the different port/EQ settings, nor upset the alignment of my speakers if changing the port settings while using the TN1s as speaker stands. I’ll wait for the review but it feels a little like if it ain’t broke then why fix it, especially for frequencies with such limited content at the (small) expense of more “real-world” frequencies. Maybe I’m just getting old!
I'm old and I still have to buy lottery tickets in order to get my dream system. I don't even have a proper listening room. Although I still own my 1979 stereo system with JBL 4311's.
I@@walterpen371 I also still have a lot of my 70s (and 80s/90s/00s...) gear, much of it in storage but some of it still in frequent use. Like classic cars, they might not keep up with all of today's top gear but it's still fun to take them out for a spin occasionally! I would definitively consider the new HSU TN1 if/when I need an additional sub or subs. I'm just questioning the the value of touting a "feature" that makes the ports harder to access when the ports are designed to be plugged or unplugged to taste. That said, I never had to pull my cat or my kids (ha ha) out of the ports of my VTF-15HmkII or maybe I'd feel differently. 😀 I wonder if hardwood, carpet, and concrete or plywood subfloors will now impact the sound more than with the front firing ports? Most people are probably set-and-forget with the ports like I am, but now you almost have to be, or plan on your significant other helping tilt the subs when plugging or unplugging the foam bungs, especially if the sub is in a tight location of the room. The cabinet dimensions being more room friendly is great on its own, but for HSU's early teaser info to say it's now better as a speaker stand, when subs are ideally meant to be placed anywhere in the room where they sound best, is potentially promoting some less-than-ideal set ups except maybe in the rare rooms where the ideal subwoofer locations match the mains speaker locations perfectly, and where all listening chairs and speaker height dimensions are the same. Unlikely. I say just market this as the kickin' beast subwoofer that it no doubt is, but one that will now take a little more effort to adjust the ports for VTF in exchange for output at a few Hz lower than the 15HmkII. If it's the affordable monster we expect it to be then so be it. Now I'm even more anxious for the full review!
The new flagship VTF-TN1 and its redesigned and larger down firing ports eliminate port chuffing, which has been observed with the older VTF-15H MK2 at extremely low frequencies at higher volumes. So that alone makes the new flagship worth the upgrade.
I'm interested in the TN1 primarily because of the footprint. I wish more manufacturers would take this into consideration.
I just received mine a couple days ago and its like a mini fridge. My wife hasn't complained one bit about its presence even with the big circular grill on.
HSU subs are amazing
Congratulations to HSU! I have four of the ULS-15MKII subwoofers, and they are incredible! I do not anticipate buying anymore subs for quite a while!
I preordered 2 of them to replace my single VTF-2 MK5. I’ve been wanting taller speaker stands for my CCB-8s. So this was a quintuple whammy for me and my setup: great starting price, on sale, going from single to dual subs, taller speaker stands, and from a highly reputable company.
I am very excited.
The TN1 was made and dedicated to Tom Nousaine from Sound & Vision who passed away.
I've had a Hsu VTF-2 mk5 for 4 years and I am always amazed how good it is. I met Dr. Hsu at a hifi show in San Francisco years ago and he is a very nice gentleman who eats, breathes and dreams about subwoofers! I cant wait for the review.
I love HSU subs. They make great and affordable products. Thanks for the review.
best bang for the buck
Jean, to ignore the proper way to say HSU is ignorant and arrogant. As you know, and as you heard again, that is a person’s name. To rationalize different is disrespectful.
I love my VTF-3 MK5 subwoofer. Drove up to Irvine and picked it up directly. $799 back in 2014.. incredible value and Extreme Bassaholic Room Size rating. TN1 will be even more insane. only the Tone Winner subs can compete in terms of bang for the buck. The Tone Winner SW-D6000 is a beast that outperforms most other subs.. would love to see the TN1 vs SW-D6000 REW results
I never bought the VTF-15 strickly because of the depth restrictions in my room. This new sub is perfect for my situation, and I am excited to be in on the presale.
I’ve had the 15H since it was a new product. Since then, I’ve done the senior downsizing routine, so it’s now in a room about half the size. The other new development is the move to multiple subs. Over the past few years. One wonders what the impact of adding the TN1 to the existing 15H would be for volumes likely lower than the average Audioholic listening space.
Hsu is a name, NAD is not a name
Hey now….. I named my son Nad 😐
I have owned the VTF-15MK2 for about 5 years, awesome sub, HSU makes great subs. To be honest though I prefer the side ports on the VTF-15MK2 for ease of access. Also I applaud the new model for the extended bass response but the truth is there is not a lot of content in that extreme low range anyway, as it is I have to turn mine down when watching movies vs just listening to music. I’m glad HSU is further developing the product line but I won’t be selling my VTF-15MK2 anytime soon, extremely happy with it.
I was fortunate enough to get in on the presale! I'll be upgrading my VTF-3 MK3 to this beast! Can't wait!
A graph comparing it to the still-available VTF-3 would have been a lot more useful. Great video, as always.
Hsu, tonewinner, monolith, good job on pricing for ur subs!
Hi Gene. You must review the new Tonewinner subs.
When are you guys going to do a full review? Thanks in advance.
I’m interested to see how this performs compared to the klipsch rp1600sw which you can find on sale for under $1200 and 5 year warranty as well 🤔
Yup, was wondering the same thing.
Just bought two rp1400s for 1500 with tax and shipping. I have a large room so I am guessing this was good bang for the buck, but curious for comparisons.
Would love to see a comparison with the RSL speedwoofer. Great job guys!
I’m very interested in you guys testing the new Ascendo Active Sealed 16” subwoofer. They posted their CEA-2010 measurements, and it seems to be very competitive for the price and performance. Thanks in advance.
I wish they’d get into the 18in game. I truly think they would dominate price to performance.
Say i forgot can you review the HSU CC8 speakers PLEASE. Darrylk
www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/ccb-8-bookshelf
I am still using my HSU Research sub with an outboard amp that I bought back in the 90’s! 12 inch speaker, 2 downfiring ports, reaches 20hz, round cabinet. It’s amazing and still going strong!
Gene: Has the Hsu TS1 been released yet for review?
I saw an older thread where someone showed the CEA-2010 charts with THD numbers of a HSU VTF-15 MK2 compared to a Rythmik FV-15HP. Compared to the HSU the Rythmik had extremely low distortion, especially below about 30hz. Can someone with more knowledge explain if THD really even matters at those lowest frequencies, and does it affect the sound signature of the sub? The specs on the Rythmik seem amazing, but buying dual HSU would save me $1k, which could go towards other gear upgrades. Thoughts?
The rythmik is a great choice. Especially for some music. Dual f12’s would be nice. HSU are probably better for pure HT.
For me, it was worth trading out my old VTF-2 MK5 for the footprint alone. I can now fit it in a few extra spaces in my livingroom
Does it retain the massive tactile feel that the MK1 and 2 have? My 15 shakes my body and home like crazy! Btw, does it punch harder?
@@docwho10th88 Yes to both! It's not a massive difference but I did an A&B test while I had both and the TN1 is a bit louder and punches a bit more. Biggest difference is little to no port noise. My MKII was noisy at times.
I own 2 VTF2 mk5s currently and pre ordered the TN1 to upgrade . Been wanting to take the next jump up from the 12s .. small room set to 1 mlp (12x14) looking forward to seeing how this hits :)
is hugo still around or working w/ audioholics? havent seen him in forever
You answered your own question there my guy
What chaps my hide is that there are a lot of subs out there that can dig deep, and yet the soundtrack mixing industry is more often than not nowadays filtering out low bass frequencies to cater to the soundbar crowd. Grrr!
It's good looking besides being a good value.
Still waiting for a manufactuter that will make sub for human hearing, not measurement mics. Which means +12 dB at like 15 Hz, + 9dB at 20 Hz, +6 dB at 25 Hz, +3 dB at 30 Hz and go at 0 dB flat till the crossover, without harmonics or port chuffing, that can actually go to 115ish dB at the flat response and +12 dB to the lower extension, meaning 127 dB at 15 Hz, clean sinewave.
Yeah Baby! Looking forward to James's review.
Just purchased the HSU 12 inch audiofile and it is fast and clean…
Review! Review! Ordered it.... Need decision confirmation!
Of course this comes out just after my 12S purchase for my medium sized room. Did I make a mistake? Worth the $400 more? You guys rock. Thanks
😂😂😅😅 it not too late
How would this compare to the Klipsch 1600?? i listen to music and movies (streaming) what would give me the hardest hitting bass. I like the "club" bass
Based on the CEA-2010 burst data, they both have similar mid-bass output which is what you would term 'club bass.' If you like punchy bass in that range, you might actually try to get one of the last Hsu VTF-15h MKIIs which will have a bit more output in that range.
@@jameslarson2277 I have dual VTF-15h MKII and was going to add dual VTF3 MK5 since VTF-15H MKII are sold out. However, I pre-order two of VTF-TN1. Do you think VTF3-MK5 would match better with 15H than TN1?
@@spatel30 The VTF-15h MKII is going to be a better match with the VTF-TN1. You want to adjust the tuning frequencies so that they are the closest. So use the VTF-15h MKII in 'max extension' mode with one port closed, and use the VTF-TN1 with both ports open in 'max output' mode. That should get you the closest matching low-end between these subs.
@@jameslarson2277 Thank you James. Appreciate your quick response. I will set them up as per your suggestion when they are delivered.
Gene, I am so excited to see a new product from Hsu since my system is all Hsu subs (ULS15mk2, VTF3mk4, VTF15H.) I have a question for you, although if you say "wait for our review of the TN1," I will understand. (But any advice you can give me now would also be appreciated.) I was considering upgrading all of my subs to the same model for more consistency but also to see if I could get performance improvements. Now I am considering two options: (1) two or three Hsu TN-1s (because I want the smaller footprint,) or (2) two JTR RS1s. I know the price differences, so please disregard price if you are kind enough to respond to me. (I actually want at least two Perlistens, R212s or better, but that does get too expensive for me.) My question is: will the JTRs give me better infrasonics AND tighter bass (better group delay) than the new Hsu subs? Or am I better off saving myself a few grand because the Hsus will give me almost or the same performance, in every metric, as two JTRs?
The JTRs will have superior group delay, but probably only in very deep frequencies. The Hsu's group delay will spike up around port tuning, but the port tuning frequency on these subs are so low that I don't expect it will have a major impact on the sound. The nature of the low-end roll-off and the way you calibrate the system will have a much greater impact on the sound than group delay. Either an all-JTR or all-Hsu system would be great. I would guess that if you like how your VTF-15h MKII sounds, you will like the VTF-TN1.
The jtr is a superior sub in all aspects it’s not even in the same category
You'd be hard pressed to find better performance at this price point. I have been pleasantly surprised by how my ULS 15 MK2's perform. They served me well prior to replacing them
What you replace them with?
@@demonreturns4336 Ascendo
Tempted to add one of these for 2-channel / mains sub. I already have a SVS SB16 and I like it, but there is no way to avoid the built-in DSP delay and it doesn't have high-level inputs, so that makes 2 channel direct listening a massive logistical challenge. For bass-managed and distance-processed listening, the built-in DSP isn't a problem because all the speakers and the sub are getting delay correction anyway. Your receiver just subtracts 2-3 feet from the physical sub distance and everything evens out. But when you go direct, there's no way to avoid that the SVS DSP has a 3 ms delay, and it sounds weird and phasey. So I'm realizing that while the SB16 is great for movies or processed music, if I want to go direct (and I DEFINTELY need to go direct, because it makes a big difference thanks to all receivers' crap internal re-sampling), the SB16 is the wrong tool for the job. A "dumb" all-analog sub that digs as deep as the SB16, like this, is a much better solution. I've been there and done that with REL and they are an absolute joke. HSU is mighty tempting, enough that I almost regret buying the SB16 in the first place.
I run two Adam Sub12's in my home theater and chose them primarily because of the downfiring ports. I bought them also to save on space. Surprisingly, my Rythmik F18 and FV15HP2 have been collecting dust ever since. I may end up selling them with how well these Adam's have performed with their insanely tight, controlled bass, unstressed by anything thrown at them. This new HSU reminds me of the Adam sub footprint and I wish them success with their new flagship product.
Love my VTF-15H MK2 Subwoofer. Would love to have another sub and this looks like it would be a nice addition. Thanks for the video.
Too bad the shipping to Canada is really expensive, 700 $ extra with shipping and tax. Considering the tone winner D 4000 since it's free shipping. any thoughts on tone winner subs compared to HSU?
I have a pair of VTF-15H mk2 and have it tuned in my dedicated theater and it is amazing. Deep, powerful but not boomy. I’m interested but I have a fear of upsetting the balance in my room.
I'm in an apartment so downfiring is the last type of sub I would want though I do also have an M&K MX-105 which doesn't necessarily fire downwards but it does have the backside exposed to the floor.
I was so shocked to see a new HSU product in my inbox! I was actually saving up for the old flagship model (I have a ULS MKII) and I have to say, I think the design of the old model looks more striking and upscale. I'm very curious how the grill looks. I also think visually seeing the ports is cooler, but I get why he went for the small footprint here.
i built my own subs using 2 um18's. i bought a 12s and was thoroughly unimpressed with it. ntm the nightmare i had returning it. ill prob never order direct from manufacturer ever again. ill stick w the big box stores from now on. that is if i feel the need to buy a pre made sub. from now on ill just make my own as they perform beyond expectations. looks like an interesting sub though and i would def try one out for testing.
What was it about the 12s you didn’t like?
@@demonreturns4336 i could not feel the bass at all. the bass wasnt clean as well. it literally has 0 impact at all. with the size of itt youd expect it to have good impact. the other issue is once i go above 1/2 volume its as if it loses power and is easily overwhelmed. my 2 towers and remaining speakers easily overpower it. it even hits less harder than it did before. as a result of that it gets much more quiet. they blamed my receiver so i bought a new pioneer 305. they then told me my receiver was the issue again to which i laughed. so i wasted money on a new receiver i didnt need as well. i have a bluetooth jbl 10" soundbar sub that hits harder than the 12s. i planned on buying 2 but went w one instead to test. im glad i did. i built 2 1um18's instead. returning it was a whole other fiasco as well. they made up every excuse as well to not return it. dont even get me started on that one. i guarantee they get alot of returns. if youd like a sub with 0 impact perhaps you may like it. myself i buy a sub not only for the clean bass which it doesnt have but also for impact. my um's are much cleaner as well as deeper. the um's are some of the cleanest bass ive heard surprisingly. now granted mine are 18's but id bet you money the 12's are the same clean deep bass. the return process was an utter nightmare as well. they will keep 150 bucks out of your 799 no matter what. needless to say id go w someone else. someone much more reputable.
@@demonreturns4336 it's performance was terrible. You couldn't feel the bass at all. My jbl 12" sound bar sub hit harder. Then the higher you turned it up it performed worse. Almost as if the am isn't powerful enough. My buddy even said the same thing. He couldn't believe how bad it sucked. They told me my reciever was bad so I bought a brand new pioneer and same issue. I then called back and they told me it was my reciever again. To which I laughed and said oh my brand new reciever is bad too. It was never the reciever it was the shitty sub. Returning it was an utter nightmare. I would steer clear from them at all costs. I just seen this response so sorry for the late reply.
How does it compare to svs?
Which svs sub is closest competitor?
Any head to head comparison in the near future?
Thank you.
I dont see trading in my VTF-15h MKIII but it does look like a nice design. Ill be interested to see the review.
Man that looks like a killer sub. It makes me want to get out of my apartment just so I could buy a few lol. Thanks for the video guys.
This design takes less foot print and should be more room friendly.
"Classic variable tuning frequency (VTF) with dual 4” down-firing ports - hidden from the dogs, cats, and toddlers."
I saw this on their website and I couldn't help but chuckle. I had a cat and if she wasn't sitting on my subwoofers, she was too busy attacking it, LOL!
Are you going to be at the Chicago land show coming in April?
Any concerns blocking the bottom ports with thick carpet? I'm concerned the sub's weight will smush it into my carpet which would block the port essentially muffling or making it more of a sealed sub.
You can put it on an isolation platform or pad like a Subdude, so the carpet won't matter.
excited to hear about this sub.
Nice looking subs!
I’ve owned two VTF-15H mkII subs for several years and I love them. Having the ports on the bottom of the TN1 seems less accessible to seal them for the variable tuning frequencies. The subs can maybe be tipped for access but that could get tricky in some room locations. I also wouldn’t want to move my sub, even a little, when listening to the different port/EQ settings, nor upset the alignment of my speakers if changing the port settings while using the TN1s as speaker stands. I’ll wait for the review but it feels a little like if it ain’t broke then why fix it, especially for frequencies with such limited content at the (small) expense of more “real-world” frequencies. Maybe I’m just getting old!
I'm old and I still have to buy lottery tickets in order to get my
dream system. I don't even have
a proper listening room. Although I still own my 1979 stereo system with JBL 4311's.
I@@walterpen371 I also still have a lot of my 70s (and 80s/90s/00s...) gear, much of it in storage but some of it still in frequent use. Like classic cars, they might not keep up with all of today's top gear but it's still fun to take them out for a spin occasionally! I would definitively consider the new HSU TN1 if/when I need an additional sub or subs. I'm just questioning the the value of touting a "feature" that makes the ports harder to access when the ports are designed to be plugged or unplugged to taste. That said, I never had to pull my cat or my kids (ha ha) out of the ports of my VTF-15HmkII or maybe I'd feel differently. 😀 I wonder if hardwood, carpet, and concrete or plywood subfloors will now impact the sound more than with the front firing ports? Most people are probably set-and-forget with the ports like I am, but now you almost have to be, or plan on your significant other helping tilt the subs when plugging or unplugging the foam bungs, especially if the sub is in a tight location of the room. The cabinet dimensions being more room friendly is great on its own, but for HSU's early teaser info to say it's now better as a speaker stand, when subs are ideally meant to be placed anywhere in the room where they sound best, is potentially promoting some less-than-ideal set ups except maybe in the rare rooms where the ideal subwoofer locations match the mains speaker locations perfectly, and where all listening chairs and speaker height dimensions are the same. Unlikely. I say just market this as the kickin' beast subwoofer that it no doubt is, but one that will now take a little more effort to adjust the ports for VTF in exchange for output at a few Hz lower than the 15HmkII. If it's the affordable monster we expect it to be then so be it. Now I'm even more anxious for the full review!
The new flagship VTF-TN1 and its redesigned and larger down firing ports eliminate port chuffing, which has been observed with the older VTF-15H MK2 at extremely low frequencies at higher volumes. So that alone makes the new flagship worth the upgrade.
Very nice looking sub
no 10 or 12 eh?
New kicks
Best subwoofers are car audio subwoofers in a properly built subwoofer box.
My subwoofer killer: Klipsch KG 4.5s; no sub required........