I owned the 4880 Massey in this pull from 1992-2002 one of my favorite tractors. Sold it to my Brothers in 2002, they sold to Mark Back in 2004 and a couple years ago Mike Webster bought it and still owns it. We do repairs on it when need and that is rarely. Good tractor. My nephew Derek Wood has one just like it also. At the age of 12 and 13 Me and my brother Kevin pulled the sled back at the Ripley county fair with a new one that my grandfather had for sale at Wood Farm & Industrial Supply in Versailles. That tractor was sold and went to the other side of the Mississippi.
In the mid 90's I watched a BONE stock JD 830 2-cylinder wipe the floor with everyone else in one of these "no weight limit" classes. I say vine stock with regard to engine etc. They had 12 foot stacks of wheel weights on both sides, rock boxes and sandbags everywhere. Someone said it went across the scales over 60,000 lbs. It was still chugging pretty good at 300 feet.
Older Case tractors from when they were still J.I. Case put power to the ground better than any other brand. The Magnum tractors from Case IH also pull better than the competition as well. Ford tractors like the 8/9000 series pull like trains as well. The Case and Fords from the late 60's through early 90's were beasts that pulled great. I'd have to say they were a tie followed by Allis Chalmers, Massey Fergusons(too many problems though), and finally John Deere(problems and too expensive).
Yep, the old MF had a great combination of weight, horsepower, traction, and torque. The newer John Deer was right there close. The tracked Deere was way too light, but the old IH , that ran right after it, was fairly impressive. I'm trying to imagine the cost, logistics, and labor, of hauling these huge tractors across the country, and getting them set up to haul and then to pull, and then back to haul, over and over. My hat's off to the participants.
I'll take a John Deere any day, I the field. I have never used tracks, but really like them. I started farming with case ih and case. The John Deere was just better made. I could really tell the difference in my fatigue at the end of the day, the John Deere is just more comfortable. I will take comfort over more power any time.
A three hundred pull is about as long as you can stand to be on an old Massey. They were very crude and Spartan on the inside. They were hell to be on all day.
Not even a true Massey it was designed by McConnell tractor. It was a very good design that was plagued by the MF label. The agco Star was the next gen of this. I don’t know why it never caught on more. It was a very good design. I guess bad dealer support which has always plagued Massey white and etc
Nice Massey....Gotta laugh at the color blind guys who call Masseys junk...I guess theyve obviously never owned one...They know how to build power into their machines...always have
I would not get between the sled and the tractor, until the tractor has already backed up and stopped. I've attended events, where the operator waited for the farmer to raise his hand, to verify that the transmission of the tractor is in neutral, before getting between the sled and tractor, to remove the chain from the draw bar. Just a safety thing. I wouldn't want to be near the chain if it broke, especially with tractors like these, pulling that kind of weight!
Has anyone ever tried turning the tires around, so the apexes of the treads trail, rather than lead in the direction of rotation? What would happen? Every tractor I've ever seen, has the apexes leading. Not just in competition, but in service as well. I do believe, the tires are indeed direction specific.
Backwards is a rolling tire forward is traction, notice tread pattern the same design since the invention of the wheel even steel wheels crossbars or lugs are at the same or close angles as new rubber tread. The design works !!!
The only Deere's I've seen win at pulls are the ones they're pouring the fuel to and blowing black smoke 50ft in the air. You can do that with anything, all it takes is money.
@@blythkd9017 This didn't seem like a contest of axle torque. It looked more like a game of traction. There were only a couple of tractors, that looked like they were reaching the limits of their horsepower. virtually all of them stopped, with the wheels spinning.
@@bladerunner6354 I’m revisiting this 6 years later. Those 1150s barely weigh more than the Steigers and masseys. A Steiger tiger or Big Bud 450/50 would bitchalap an 1150 versy
they all would get better traction if they took the outsides tires off! that way they would have all the weight of the tractor on the 4 tires . with splitting the weight over 8 tires you don't have half the traction as only 4! any real farmer would know this!
I'm not as concerned with factory tractors like these, but I would not get close to super modified tractors, where the engines are producing close to five times their stock power.
hook my new red one on here and show these green ones how she's done. these have powershift to shift down thats how there getting so far. My red one will out pull a deere anyday
Seen the same thing at the start of vid with flag guy hope they weren't paying him to do this maybe they could get him one of the electric scooters from walmart
Only 2 colors of 2WD showed up against the 4x4s. NONE of them red. I'll take iron weight over fluid any day. Fluid doesn't allow the tire to elongate and put more tread into contact. The Massey had the most cubic inches out there. We didn't see a Versatile, old or young, but put an 1156 out there on 30.5 duals. They were 40K before you started to hang weights. Then there are the Rites and Big Buds, more cubic inches, weight and power yet.
+Ryan Reid You will get better ride, traction, and less compaction using iron, but did Versatile make iron weights for those tractors? Never seen them.
Never seen dry weights for them...for any old versatile for that matter. It use to be my main seeding tractor, but as a main tractor....it was demanding too much from the old girl. Upgraded to a 9530T, but still have the 1150 around for tillage work
Are You On Glue Any IH Could Out Pull A Deere Of The Same Vintage Cause They Weight A Hell Of Alot More And Had TA Ive Seen It So Many Times At Pulls Its Not Even Funny
Yeah the old Deere's were about the lightest of all. Not bad tractors but my old 2390 Case will out pull a 4640 hands down. Walks off with a heavy 26' disc like it ain't even there. Hook the old 1570 to it and hold on!
it still boils down to the 'operator'. Sure, the 4880 probably was fully weighed down with fluid, Mine is shy of 32000 with just the outside duals 2/3s full. It's not as heavy as a unballasted JD 8650.... So, what's a guy to do?? hmmm, The rules did say it was an 'unlimited' class, so if the dumbass shows up with a unballasted tractor, he gets what he deserves! The MF'r came ready to play! :)
I was concerned about that also. These heavy weights pulling a heavy weight. There's A LOT of tension on that chain. He's also taking a risk, being between the sled and the tractor, while it's backing up. The events I've attended, have a policy, where the tractor backs up and stops first, then, the operator can unhook the chain. The farmer raises his hand, to tell the operator, that the transmission is indeed in neutral.
Flag kid had a hard day lounging around, he needs to use the sticks to hold himself up. Pretty sure the flags should be out in front of the driver and up in the air. Driver is shutting it down way before the flag kid throws up the red flag. Oh must be because the driver cant see the flag because he is standing behind him and to close to the tractors. WTF!! Putz! Get off the track before you ruin a good sport.
No weight limit tractor pull is pretty useless. The heavier the tractor the further its going to go. i can make a tractor so heavy their is no sled that will stop it.
I did t see any of these diesels smoking excessively. Does that mean the idiot rolling coal trucks are really that dumb? Maybe wasting fuel to make a lot of smoke is just stupid.
Lol Brain washing really works huh? I guess you also like Apple products and Mac's. What about glocks? You like them too huh? Yeah They've all been hyped up. They aren't any better than any other brand yet every kid on every street corner knows what they are. Why? Cause the media has made them look like gods compaired to everything else.
This IS how tractors are actually used in the field. A much more accurate representation of the pulling power of real agricultural equipment. I found this more educational, than entertaining. For entertainment, I like the tractors with engines you would never find on the farm. Engines that last 10 or 15 seconds, not 10,000 or 15,000 Hours!
I owned the 4880 Massey in this pull from 1992-2002 one of my favorite tractors. Sold it to my Brothers in 2002, they sold to Mark Back in 2004 and a couple years ago Mike Webster bought it and still owns it. We do repairs on it when need and that is rarely. Good tractor. My nephew Derek Wood has one just like it also. At the age of 12 and 13 Me and my brother Kevin pulled the sled back at the Ripley county fair with a new one that my grandfather had for sale at Wood Farm & Industrial Supply in Versailles. That tractor was sold and went to the other side of the Mississippi.
In the mid 90's I watched a BONE stock JD 830 2-cylinder wipe the floor with everyone else in one of these "no weight limit" classes. I say vine stock with regard to engine etc. They had 12 foot stacks of wheel weights on both sides, rock boxes and sandbags everywhere. Someone said it went across the scales over 60,000 lbs. It was still chugging pretty good at 300 feet.
Got back to fields and broken axle housings showed up.
Calcium is still used. Tire shop in town still uses Calcium for ballast unless you specifically ask for beet juice.
That Massey was awesome. Probably fluid in all 8 tires.
+oisiaa the Massey's seam to get the power to the ground much better
Older Case tractors from when they were still J.I. Case put power to the ground better than any other brand. The Magnum tractors from Case IH also pull better than the competition as well. Ford tractors like the 8/9000 series pull like trains as well. The Case and Fords from the late 60's through early 90's were beasts that pulled great. I'd have to say they were a tie followed by Allis Chalmers, Massey Fergusons(too many problems though), and finally John Deere(problems and too expensive).
That Massey had to have loaded tires to pull like that. I've never used one that could outpull a Case IH.
oisiaa Got the job done.
Jim Garrison Obviously you have never heard of a JD 6030
That White Field Boss was pretty impressive pulling against all the big 4WDs
I realize Im kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good website to stream newly released series online?
@Maddux Elian flixportal :P
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Would have liked to see some ridged frame 4wd like older case tractors or IH like a 4100-4186
You guys realize the MF 4880 is 35+ years old killing the new guys. Love that Cummins 903VT no other sound like it. Many thousands of hours in one.
Yep, the old MF had a great combination of weight, horsepower, traction, and torque. The newer John Deer was right there close. The tracked Deere was way too light, but the old IH , that ran right after it, was fairly impressive. I'm trying to imagine the cost, logistics, and labor, of hauling these huge tractors across the country, and getting them set up to haul and then to pull, and then back to haul, over and over. My hat's off to the participants.
That old $10000.00 Massey put on a good show.
I'll take a John Deere any day, I the field. I have never used tracks, but really like them. I started farming with case ih and case. The John Deere was just better made. I could really tell the difference in my fatigue at the end of the day, the John Deere is just more comfortable. I will take comfort over more power any time.
The Massy wanted to take it home LoL
Almost take it home
What kind of weight are they pulling though?
A three hundred pull is about as long as you can stand to be on an old Massey. They were very crude and Spartan on the inside. They were hell to be on all day.
bobby harvill MF 4000 series 4WDs had the best cab in their day, you are obviously talking about 1500-1805s.
Not even a true Massey it was designed by McConnell tractor. It was a very good design that was plagued by the MF label. The agco Star was the next gen of this. I don’t know why it never caught on more. It was a very good design. I guess bad dealer support which has always plagued Massey white and etc
Most dealer problems are the dealer
@@adamkruskama8455 nope. I saw a 4880. That’s pure Massey. McConnell made the 5200.
When is this fair happening an will there be more 4x4 pulling
You’re 10 years late🙄can you not read?
cummins 903 v 8 rules one bad massy killed the new deers
Nice Massey....Gotta laugh at the color blind guys who call Masseys junk...I guess theyve obviously never owned one...They know how to build power into their machines...always have
i agree with you!
i never owned one but they are better than everything
Too bad all eight of its rims will be gone in a few years
That 4880 had some real power holy shit
Knew how to build power?
They never built an engine
i dont know man, that old massey was pretty stout for its age compared to them new john deeres.
Diff is old power to new power, all older tractors are more muscle.
NO WEIGHT LIMIT,RUN WHAT YA BRUNG,.I love the ol Massey with the v8 perkins whoopin up on everybody
That aint a Perkins, the big 4WD tractors ran a 903 Cummins!
The MF four-wheel drive is a pulling MF.
MF'er muscle right there!!
The guy in the yellow shirt has no respect for that chain between the tractor and
sled, crazy.
I would not get between the sled and the tractor, until the tractor has already backed up and stopped. I've attended events, where the operator waited for the farmer to raise his hand, to verify that the transmission of the tractor is in neutral, before getting between the sled and tractor, to remove the chain from the draw bar. Just a safety thing. I wouldn't want to be near the chain if it broke, especially with tractors like these, pulling that kind of weight!
That first pull was anticlimactic as hell.. I expected him to drag that sled all the way
Had to torque but not the traction
Has anyone ever tried turning the tires around, so the apexes of the treads trail, rather than lead in the direction of rotation? What would happen? Every tractor I've ever seen, has the apexes leading. Not just in competition, but in service as well. I do believe, the tires are indeed direction specific.
They are direction specific and they don't work if you run them backwards.
Backwards is a rolling tire forward is traction, notice tread pattern the same design since the invention of the wheel even steel wheels crossbars or lugs are at the same or close angles as new rubber tread. The design works !!!
They are a self cleaning tread, to mount reverse you,ll stack loose soil under you. Losing traction.
Takes a long chain and a big sled to stop those rigs.
Boys boys boys we all know Deere is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be
The only Deere's I've seen win at pulls are the ones they're pouring the fuel to and blowing black smoke 50ft in the air. You can do that with anything, all it takes is money.
@@blythkd9017 This didn't seem like a contest of axle torque. It looked more like a game of traction. There were only a couple of tractors, that looked like they were reaching the limits of their horsepower. virtually all of them stopped, with the wheels spinning.
The thing to know about Deere’s, there over priced and overrated
@@markuswall837 and have a built in vibration,patent probably!! Lol
pretty embarrassing show for the john deeres, gotta love the old massey kickin ass
I would have liked to have seen a big bud out there
check big bud pulling and see
It's all about HP and weight!
🤔🤦🏻♂️
I wonder what difference it would be to fill all tires with water not air.
What tractor is that?
I have an 1150 Versatile I'd like to put in one of these events someday
Ryan Reid I doubt you'd have any competition, even between newer slightly more powerful tractors. KTA-1150s are beasts
Ryan Reid you should upload some video of field work with that beast
Do it!!
@@bladerunner6354 I’m revisiting this 6 years later. Those 1150s barely weigh more than the Steigers and masseys. A Steiger tiger or Big Bud 450/50 would bitchalap an 1150 versy
Ese massey ferguson se quiere llevar el aparato a su casa
should put a C IH quad track on that sled and watch it go out the far end of the track.
Steven Baes Put a 110 HP 100 year old case steamer on that sled and he would take it out into the parking lot.
Luckystrike The steamer would never stop.
Duane Dean
He would have to stop for fuel or water. [;
There able to load while working. Water might be a problem....ugghhh nope, water truck can fill. :-P
Duane Dean
yea, gas motors are good for something. Taking fuel and water to the steamer!
I am surprised at the guys who forget to turn on the diff lock, could the massey have been built by MCconnell-Marc?
Like the Case IH.
fjnunesaz it most likely was
Nope the Massey was pre MCconnel Marc. About an '82, we had 2
Yes it’s a McConnell Marc and was an excellent design
Yes, ihc were steigers
that'll be a 903 cummins! :)
they all would get better traction if they took the outsides tires off! that way they would have all the weight of the tractor on the 4 tires . with splitting the weight over 8 tires you don't have half the traction as only 4! any real farmer would know this!
Great way to roll out a rear end taking outside wheels off!!
Wonder what the kid with the flags going o do when one of those big tractors blows and shoots a part of the engine through his head.
Jack Mehoff but he'll die happy
I'm not as concerned with factory tractors like these, but I would not get close to super modified tractors, where the engines are producing close to five times their stock power.
Case Ih and International and J I case all the way...
Deere at the start could benefit from some new tyres.
It’s not heavy enough anyway. The Steigers and Masseys outweigh it significantly
hook my new red one on here and show these green ones how she's done. these have powershift to shift down thats how there getting so far. My red one will out pull a deere anyday
Green has no power ! Great color though . The last Johnny made it wow !
Seen the same thing at the start of vid with flag guy hope they weren't paying him to do this maybe they could get him one of the electric scooters from walmart
Yeah the martcart
Only 2 colors of 2WD showed up against the 4x4s. NONE of them red. I'll take iron weight over fluid any day. Fluid doesn't allow the tire to elongate and put more tread into contact. The Massey had the most cubic inches out there.
We didn't see a Versatile, old or young, but put an 1156 out there on 30.5 duals. They were 40K before you started to hang weights. Then there are the Rites and Big Buds, more cubic inches, weight and power yet.
I have an 1981 1150 Versatile. be fun to see what it would do at one of these events. Got fluid in all 8 tires too
+Ryan Reid You will get better ride, traction, and less compaction using iron, but did Versatile make iron weights for those tractors? Never seen them.
Never seen dry weights for them...for any old versatile for that matter. It use to be my main seeding tractor, but as a main tractor....it was demanding too much from the old girl. Upgraded to a 9530T, but still have the 1150 around for tillage work
They weren't there because that's just how things worked out; nothing more. John Deere is overpriced junk.
+Jim Garrison I think everything these days is overpriced and you are bound to the dealer for repair. Tier 4 makes them all junk IMHO.
@5:08 BIG IH,leaning right into it!!!
barns are red, tractors are green and cars are blue and the sun stays yeller.
crops are green, tractors are red :P
😊😊. It's all good.
Nice day
Holy chain!
Its America boys each to their own. I'd pull with a quadtrack.
Some of these guys did not water ballast.
Good to watch but no measurements would have been good
Are You On Glue Any IH Could Out Pull A Deere Of The Same Vintage Cause They Weight A Hell Of Alot More And Had TA Ive Seen It So Many Times At Pulls Its Not Even Funny
Yeah the old Deere's were about the lightest of all. Not bad tractors but my old 2390 Case will out pull a 4640 hands down. Walks off with a heavy 26' disc like it ain't even there. Hook the old 1570 to it and hold on!
it still boils down to the 'operator'. Sure, the 4880 probably was fully weighed down with fluid, Mine is shy of 32000 with just the outside duals 2/3s full. It's not as heavy as a unballasted JD 8650.... So, what's a guy to do?? hmmm, The rules did say it was an 'unlimited' class, so if the dumbass shows up with a unballasted tractor, he gets what he deserves! The MF'r came ready to play! :)
Actually according to Nebraska, the Massey unballasted *barely* outweighs an unballasted 8650
The flagboy should have at least stood where the drivers could see him...And using the flags like canes?... Not safe pulling.
I thought that was the strongest perkins Id ever seen.All the ones around here when I was a kid had Perkins
Did the MF win.
yes
By the looks of things the last JD pulled a few more feet than the MF
JOHN DEERE, Always up front.
What? Not quite.
Steve Wurtz ..in line to the salvage yard.
Sniffing the MF's butt.
Not quite
Where's Big Bud?
Kyle Kenan in a museum
At the bar!!
I bet the massy had calcium and the johndeere didnt
I will take anything but green
The massey is the heaviest therfore will win regardless of hp..people have no idea how this works....
Waiting for that chain to snap and cut that guy in half.
I was concerned about that also. These heavy weights pulling a heavy weight. There's A LOT of tension on that chain. He's also taking a risk, being between the sled and the tractor, while it's backing up. The events I've attended, have a policy, where the tractor backs up and stops first, then, the operator can unhook the chain. The farmer raises his hand, to tell the operator, that the transmission is indeed in neutral.
Don't ever trust a hand signal under these conditions. Hook and unhook behind buck board on sled.
It would take more than this to snap that chain. Unless it was damaged prior to pulling
Flag kid had a hard day lounging around, he needs to use the sticks to hold himself up. Pretty sure the flags should be out in front of the driver and up in the air. Driver is shutting it down way before the flag kid throws up the red flag. Oh must be because the driver cant see the flag because he is standing behind him and to close to the tractors. WTF!! Putz! Get off the track before you ruin a good sport.
+Duane Dean I was thinking the very same thing!
No weight limit tractor pull is pretty useless. The heavier the tractor the further its going to go. i can make a tractor so heavy their is no sled that will stop it.
We did this with a CAT challenger
Too bad there wasnt a Quad Trac to drag that sled twice around the track
That john deere track tractor could of went farther if he would had more weigh and went slower those track tractors have no way of Bowne sing.
Every deer dies
chandler sims exactly the way it should be
I did t see any of these diesels smoking excessively. Does that mean the idiot rolling coal trucks are really that dumb? Maybe wasting fuel to make a lot of smoke is just stupid.
No it means that these literally came off the farm in working configuration
if it aint red its good
Lol Brain washing really works huh? I guess you also like Apple products and Mac's. What about glocks? You like them too huh? Yeah They've all been hyped up. They aren't any better than any other brand yet every kid on every street corner knows what they are. Why? Cause the media has made them look like gods compaired to everything else.
I would walk behind a mule pulling a plow than have to run one these big green piles of sh** sorry excuse for a big 4wd
Pretty boring...
This IS how tractors are actually used in the field. A much more accurate representation of the pulling power of real agricultural equipment. I found this more educational, than entertaining. For entertainment, I like the tractors with engines you would never find on the farm. Engines that last 10 or 15 seconds, not 10,000 or 15,000 Hours!