More Secrets of a Road Tester - Cornering
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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One thing to add. Do not go crazy on the roads. Always leave a bit up your sleeve for safety. Keep your max pace for the track
I really like MCN and I love listening to Michael Neeves explain riding technique!
Really informative piece, I could listen to Michael Neeves for an hour or more without being the slightest bit bored. After riding for bikes more years than I care to remember I still find every day is a learning day. After coming through a bend and thinking I could of been quicker, that’s much preferable to lying in a hospital bed thinking if only I’d been a bit slower I’d have made it round that bend.
been reading m c n a long time. now 72 still riding also my wife 7o this month. your never too old to learn.thanks.
Absolutely John another 70 year old here. My grandson has just passed his CBT and I told him exactly. Love Michaels videos as he talks common sense and even with his riding experience he is far from being big headed.
Awesome advice! As an ex Australian Superbike racer, who still rides on the road with a couple of track days per year to keep sharp always makes me laugh when some peps, on the roads, are so determined to get their knee down. It not only looks stupid, it also can be dangerous. You summed up this very well and simple. Great work. 👍😎🇦🇺
Very true, fast riders stay in line, nothing crazy. Wannabe fast riders cut corners
@@Moicc 💯
One vid that just gets everything right. While there's so many others out there that get it all wrong. Great stuff ! 👍 This should go viral in the motorcycle community. ✌
Neavesy's 'tips' and 'secrets of' series of vids are totally priceless to me. I love these and use them. more please great work.d
I love that you mentioned not needing to get crazy with body position on the streets! Great tips man, I review a bunch of bikes and sometimes they're quick rides so feeling a bike can be tricky and the tips you give help me get a decent first impression. Trail braking is the biggest skill that has really helped me be safe on the road, I hope riders do more training after they get their licenses!
Solid advice. In my (long time realising) experience, the key is to make aure your bottom half is anchored to the bike with feet, knee and bum cheek. Doing that means your arms dont have to support your weight and can just be used for steering. The break through for me was to clamp the tank with my knees during braking and then keep some clamp on as i leant and turned. This stopped my arms locking out. LifeAtLean has a good section on this topic.
This bikertek campaign is really interesting. Has to be the most novel safety campaign I’ve come across. Quite clever really as there’s no preachiness to it. It manages to be slightly chilling and effectively deliver a message.
The best advice I was given years ago was to always corner with my eyes parallel to the road. So, to tilt your head as you go around the corner looking for the apex and as the bike straightens up as you exit the corner so does your head.
With the training I have had over the years I'm pleased to say it still seems that I am still doing the right thing. I still enjoyed this reminder of all these tips as I am about to set off on a 3000klm tour. Always prepared to learn new things though.
Haslam racing school and the students there are lucky to have you Neevsey. I'm glad you brought this segment back again. Twenty+ years of riding and I picked up tips in both of these videos. Please keep them coming!
Superb explanation. I’ve been riding for 40 years and have been trained to the highest level in a car. I still learned lots from this. Every day and every ride is a learning experience. Thank you for the content.
i like the way you put these maneuvers to words... we've been using these on the roads for long now... greattt..
Great advice. Cornering is something I'm always trying to improve on. It ain't as easy as we think.
One of the most important motorcycle vid. Thank you.
Love how you keep it so simple and effective. Would love a bit on trail braking
This is a great lesson by Michael Neeves.
In common sense language, he explains the difference between riding on the road vs riding on track.
Thank you Mr. Neeves! I learned a lot from this very easy to understand advice.
Thank you for producing and filming these great videos. Be safe
Probably the most detailed motorcycle cornering explanation on RUclips.
Thank you Michael for those videos, much appreciated.
I believe you should go deeper into counter-steering, which is the essence of corning. Body position helps of course, vision, good throttle control also, etc., as you have mentioned, but it's important to know exactly what to do & how to do it when a corner comes in.
It will be a real privilege for us to see/listen your approach on this subject.
good to see that I'm on the right track with my cornering, just working on confidence
It’s great to be talking about better cornering on your motorcycle. I have seen too many other riders taking full on racing lines on the road. I don’t fully agree with all your points and maybe you could have mentioned bikesafe and advanced riding courses for those who want more advice. A great start, thank you.
Thanks Michael, these tips might save someone's life. Keep up the good work.👍
Fantastic Video. Just passed my CBT and I'm absolutely loving my CBR125R, still getting my balance right through corners and this vid has got some great info I will definitely be taking on board!
His advice is better suited to ex-racers and wannabe racers with 1000cc bikes on empty roads. In reality, 99.9% of riders ought to tip the bike, not their body.
I’ve gone from hardly moving ...50/60s style to moving about, transferring body weight. When we all rode down to Brands Hatch watched John Cooper hanging off his bike we all thought how ungainly he looked compared to all the other racers.....what did he know.....more than us.! Now we have better suspension, better larger tires, in fact, improvements to the geometry of a bikes chassis’s undreamed of sixty years ago. Thanks for your input Neevesy your advise is invaluable to us old bikers.
Great tips and insight... body positioning is where I really need to improve so I'll be putting this stuff into practice on my next ride 👍
Brilliant video guys!. Every new and returning rider should see this, just to get more knowledge or to renew what you already know!, knowledge is so crucial. Be safe!.
Fantastic video Neevesy! Well explained in your usual calm manner. Hope to see you in Portugal in a couple of weeks. 👍
Very good advice after years of experience and excellent skill. Thanks!!
Well, I am not a road tester (yet lol)... but these tips are valuable for anyone and everyone. Excellent work
Well presented and an important topic to understand. Thank you.
Great explanation - love this series
Very interesting, helpful & it's always good to be reminded of these things. I try to do all of this but I know I'm not consistent.
Thanks for the great information on cornering. I know it will help me become a better rider.
Its marvelous to see Michael Neeves on the MCN long term loan BMW S1000R bike. I read about the loan bike in a recent MCN weekly paper that I am a subscriber.
Excellent post production and presentation.
great advice, looking forward to seeing the review of the S1000R too
Fantastic info really well presented. Subscribed!
Thanks again, Neevesy! Extremely helpful. Please feel free to share *any* insights you have in the future!!
Golden Tips...helps me to better my riding skills especially on the mad Indian roads n traffic....
Thanx Mate,very good Tutoring, keep it up and Wheels on the Tarmac.
so insightful - thanks!
Excellent advice thank you 🙏
Brilliant!! Sensible real world advice from someone who knows
Great tips from someone we all can trust on these sort of things. But here in Norway the instructors have stopped teaching turning in late. Not that it's a bad technique, but it's easy to get focused on dangers like oncoming traffic or potholes, and thus running wide or off. So everyone should also train on not locking on to danger and look through the corner, planning the next turn.
Thanks for the reminders.
Great video. Brilliant content, thank you.
The arm bend did it for me.. thanks 👍
Lovely stuff. Thank you!
Good Video, and for my two cents worth.....Always be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear, safely, especially when going around blind corners.
First year of riding. Once my rear tyre almost slipped in the curve because too much rear brake, saved thanks to ABS. Heard a race rider saying he never uses rear brake ever. I'm riding fine without using rear brake ever since.
There is a definite place for the rear brake on road or track. Remember Mick Doohan adding a thumb operated rear brake when injury compromised his foot operated brake? Many GP riders rely on it heavily. Track day riders not so much.
Rear brake can also be used for trail braking and low speed control. Wheel lockup can be a problem for front or rear brake and ABS is not a cure all. Get some more training. ( I train for a living).
I recently purchased a Yamaha Niken GT. Now I now go out of my way to find bendy and challenging rides. I don't take corners faster, but the experience is that more pleasurable and confident.
Very very informative 👍 Many thanks 🙏 🏍🙌
This was excellent but I've learned a lot about cornering from watching gymkhana tutorials on RUclips. Especially linked turns. In the turns, they never get the bike to a neutral upright position where they have to initiate another turn. They simply flow from one turn to the next. If the turns are close, they go slower. Where the turns are further apart, they go faster so that they can transition smoothly left/right with no upright in between. Easy peasy.
Thanks Neevsy, number 1 most important thing is Proper speed, ie slower rather than faster, this gives you more time if you need it and time helps you stay alive
Very nice!!! Thank you!!
Michael Neeves gives great explanations. Interesting video. A very important area, and unfortunately corners are the cause of many one-vehicle motorcycle accidents.
On a couple of the clips there, you showed right-hand bends with the biker leaning over the center line, head hanging on the other side of the road. I appreciate that he may have had full vision of the corner all the way to the exit and known that there were no oncoming hazards, but this could still give the wrong impression to novices.
For most riders and most corners on public roads, braking is probably not even required, and in any case should be completed well before turning in. Ideally, with enough anticipation and information, just rolling off the throttle a bit should be enough to set an appropriate speed.
Thanks for an excellent video.
Ohh is this a hint that we are going to get a new S1000R review soon?
When i got back into motorcycling after years of no bike, because i had nowhere safe to keep one out of the thieves hands. My saying was it is a lot easier to power out of a corner, than to drag it out of a hedge
Great advice and wisdom; being a Yank had to reverse the technique for left and right hand turns🙂
Dutch name though ;)
best explanations ever! 👏
excellent advice
amazing, thank you!
I'm curious if you recommend any adjustments for a bike with a non-traditional front suspension, like the single wishbone 'telelever' front suspension on a BMW 1250 GS/RT or a double wishbone seen on the BMW K1600 or Honda Goldwing. The front end doesn't dive when you get on the front brake, so the bike isn't 'loaded' in the same way as a bike with a traditional fork.
Great tips!
Neeves how do you find the missile ignition jacket for comfort while riding chilled on the road? I considered one but it looked to pre curved for road riding for my liking.
Again excellent advice,thks a mill.JHB-SA.
Can we know the Alpine Stars model of jacket and jeans and shoes your wearing, Thanks!
Great video with top tips. Everyone has slightly different riding styles, the one tip that I wasn’t personally so sure on is braking on the bend, I know a few people who have squeezed the brake too hard and gone down. I was taught to get your braking done on the approach, mainly by engine braking. Admittedly, there may be situations where you then have to apply a touch of brake. Any thoughts on this? 😁👍
Hmmm. Trail braking has changed many new and old riders alike…myself included. Something to look into. Most advanced riding courses are teaching this approach to cornering both for on the track and street riding aka “bleeding off the brake”.
tnx
Great advice 👍 could you incorporate counter steering when to initiate and when to relax on the bars showing the turn in slow mo also braking how much before the turn and a little bit of trail braking pls a better explanation from an expert then me trying to explain to a friend
Thanks
Neevsey talks I listen, great videos and advice, hes the spitting image of an old freind who passed way too young. Ivor never threw his leg over a motorcycle but he was one hell of a swordsman threw his leg over many'a fit bird.😉❤
Thank you 🙏
Excellent video.
Good to hear you didnt mention that nonsense about experienced riders hardly using the brakes.
Just what I needed after the disaster of last week (video posted on my channel). Good video MCN, we love you.
That hurt my soul to watch a Tuono get wrecked. Always respect people who post their L's, though. Hope you bounce back!
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket💜 all love my brother. Thanks. 💪
well you do ride like an ass...
Great video. I'll take these words into my next corner.
I can never figure out how fast to go into the corner! Great vlog, thanks so much!
Look for something called the vanishing point. There are videos on RUclips.
As Gazza mentioned, look up videos about vanishing or limit points. You learn it in Advanced Rider training but videos by people like Reg Local and Roadcraft Nottingham are really good, you apply it in literally every vehicle you use on the road once you learn it properly
Perhaps motorcycles are not for you then, or you need training.
Inexperience is one thing for making Corning difficult… riding a Harley just takes it to a different level of difficulty. Loads of weight, flappy suspension with no damping, wobbly chassis with crap brakes and tyres, pegs and feet in the way… doesn’t get much worse than that, have to plan a head, like a week or two 😂
Good review but still tank slappers can be a problem. I always roll off and i have had some big ones.
Michael, do you ever 'push' on the tank with whichever is your upper leg in a corner?
I went into a bend on my old smcr and saw these pebbles, instinctively put my left foot out and caught the fall. Scary. Not just about position, speed etc. If I came off I would have gone straight I into the bonnet of an oncoming car.
Awesome video.
Thanks for the reminder and the safety tips you got everything on point there. Looking forward to more videos from you and your guys.
My accident was different to the gent with the Harley but nevertheless left me with a duff knee for the last 44 years. I was doing 30mph, saw a car begin to edge out of a junction, so I braked slightly. The car then stopped and I foolishly assumed he'd seen me. As I was about to ride past, he pulled right out in front of me, barely giving me time to apply much braking again. I can still hear his words in my head, 'Stupid bloody woman called me out !' I've been less idiotic than either of them ever since and always assume car drivers are going to do something unexpected. As it happens, I also developed cervical myelopathy as a result of the spinal compression from nutting the car A pillar, but at least it takes my mind off the knee somewhat ! Still ride, have a doctored up SV1000 and a Peugeot TD for the shopping.
You could repeat this brilliant advice till you can no longer speak and it will not be enuf...
but it certainly is a great start!💌Thanks bro!
What jeans are those?? Thanks.
Did you own a shop down the Oxford road in reading.
lol think there’s a major difference between trying to desperately get your knee down, and getting your head down/off a little bit more on the inside. A half-way point for those who can safely ride a bit more spicy on the street, especially on a naked with wind blast. I’d also much rather have my body off to the inside in winter, than add unnecessary lean on wet or questionable roads (whilst still making safe progress). Not all of us are fair weather 1000 mile a year bikers 😂.
How’s that s1000R going as a daily?
Excellent feature Neevesy.
MCN, for the next videos please make subtitles available. Foreigners like me will be happy because our english is not perfect.
Thank you 👍
turning in late opens the track or road up,
however too late and theres no room for error.
I ride this very same road. Nasty bend at 2.44 lots of poorly filled potholes and deformities in the road surface especially coming the other way and deceptively tight easy to get caught out if you don't realise this.
No mention of counter steering???? Also I don't get too close to the centre line UNLESS I can see for certain there are NO oncoming vehicles exiting the bend or entering which might also be close to the line and potentially collide with me taking me down, just too dangerous. Many vehicle drivers do cut corners and you are fubarred if you put yourself in this danger zone.
Look through a bend. Avoid target fixation. If you get into difficulties you will generally go where ever you are looking.
Also using the front brakes (and rear) transfers weight to the front allowing the bike to turn in more easily unless your bike is a real pig to ride ............
Also being slim and fit is a major advantage in riding a bike not only controlling it but just being comfortable. Fat is bad.
Love the biker tech site! 😅
don't forget the MH and IC's in every corner and why are they invariably recessed 3 inhces below the road surface.
Great video.I live in the Alps and have had different bits of advice on how to brake in downhill hairpin bends.Some people have said to use the rear break and others the front.Anyone help me with this one? Thanks.
I too live in the alps. I use a blend of both to settle the bike down and keep it flatter as I arrive at the turn.
@@davesnowpros6785 Do you release the rear brake first and trail brake with the front?
Where do you live in the Alps Dave?
@@JH-wt3zq I live in the Swiss romande near Champéry.
Having to think about this now (and if we are specifically talking about downhill hairpins) but I think that I release the rear brake first and continue to trail brake in on the front brake. The thing that has made the most difference lately tbh has been just taking one look at the corner to check for gravel, cowshit etc (you know how it is out here) and then actively looking up the road to where I want to go. It's made a huge difference to the flow of my riding and the corner speed I carry.
@@davesnowpros6785 That's what I do except on a very tight switch back i will revert to using the back brake and clutch and shift my weight to the outside.I do this when taking the corner slowly.I live just the other side of the border from you in Cervinia,Italy.
@@JH-wt3zq ah nice. I'm up there running a ski camp in a few weeks.