Always the same - just facile (and glib) _describing,_ not _explaining_ anything. This guy is another of the dozens of young "professors" and "doctors" the BBC uses to try and indoctrinate their "youth" audience. I use quotes around their titles because they were once used 'honorifically' in acknowledgment of a lifetime (decades) of academic endeavour, not in this profligate and vulgar fashion for 20 or 30 something year-old upstarts like "Professor" Iain _"I'm just so fantastic, me"_ Stewart.
I heard Gobekli Tepe for the first time during a TV documentary in Italian language. Wow, I didn't know this archaeological site. It's amazing! Its inhabitants were really great builders.
Since something like 90% or more of this place has not yet been excavated, maybe assuming this is a religious temple built by people newly turned farmers might be a bit premature.
+Dorothyellen w no might be about it they should emphasize the point that it is only a theory. I personally think they are floundering and trying to make this fit their idea's of history instead of admiting they might be wrong and will have to change all the history books.
David Hood - “A final word to students - - What man knows is little enough and most of his general concepts in every field are vitiated by the artificial concepts he has created to cover his ignorance. These concepts must be destroyed.” Hapgood in "Paths of the Poles" p284. Advice we should all take to heart.
Everything is deemed a temple. Those with the power to control the information are working quite hard to keep our world wide focus on fairytales and not the true reasons and purposes.
This video is just a snippet. That was from the previous segment of the doc, which is actually a multipart doc about grass and how it has affected human development through the ages
@ Correct, then there are the many ancient buildings/cities found deep under the ocean. The Egyptians never built the pyramids of giza, nor the sphinx. The proof is in the complete lack of decoration, just look at literally everything else they made, and the tombs in the valley of the Kings, no comparison. No, it probably wasn't aliens. I wouldn't trust the BBC to get me a glass of water. Oh, so as well as highly advanced stone working, these hunter gathers woke up one morning and could genetically modify plants. Sounds legit. Hunter gatherer 1: We need, er, bread, give me a minute to genetically alter a shit load of wheat. Hunter gatherer 2: Yeah, then we'll make sandwiches. Hunter gatherer 3: You know what we should do now we invented that bread, advanced stone masonry. And we'll align the site perfectly to the north and south. Hunter gatherer 4: What's North and South, we don't have a compass. Hunter gatherer 4: Dont worry about that my friend, we don't have the tech to build the tools we need to start this advanced stone masonry, but let's not worry about that either. And that's exactly how it went. 3c
@ I agree, plus current and past archaeologists and historians don't like their work being turned upside down which is why they will fight any version of history that is different to the norm. Looking at past advanced civilisations all around the world like the clovis people in the Americas, were wiped out by the younger dryas event around 12000 years ago. The chap who runs the bright insight RUclips channel also has a brilliant explanation for the location of the civilisation known as Atlantis, it is the best theory so far on the sea faring nation that battled with the Greeks on many occasions.
DEVILxMAYxCRYx5 that podcast was abesloute cancer the guy was being confrontational for no reason trying to project his immature romanticised historical theory no matter who these people were they were living in mud huts and worshipped fake sky gods that is nothing compared to modern human advancement
Charlie Hutch agreed. Notice the small mud bricks or stones used to build wall between the megaliths? Not the same technology. Not like a megalithic civilization. Those appear to have been added later by another group. Which would still have been at least 12 thousand years ago.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
Not really. We just need to refine dates and our picture of the people in the area. It's not overthrowing anything. Dates are always tentative. It's always been assumed that the neolithic revolution was gradual. People in the area would have been pretty advanced before embracing domestication and agriculture fully.
'The First People to have Bread' - every time the 'timeline' of Civilizations gets pushed back...they then become 'the first people'...how about we realize it's the 'first people WE KNOW OF SO FAR' and leave it open ended...since the story of discovery is always expanding. Academics who are so intelligent would understand this simple fact...woundl't they? They wouldn't be lead by personal ego wanting to be THE person who has discovered THE oldest and FIRST place for whatever would they?
A very simplistic story telling. Wheat was not our first domesticated plant, agriculture started pretty much at once all around the fertile crescent with a veriety of crops that most of them have not survived. There are many Gobekli Tepes, we are aware of their existence, but we have not dug them out yet.
So those peoples realized a genetic mutation in wheat, learned to make bread, became expert farmers, learned to quarry stone, became expert stonemasons, became artisans, building planers and decided to create a megalithic stone city (temple) straight out of the ice age. Not conceivably possible. What is so much more amazing than this discovery is the complete ineptitude of the scientific community. They absolutely will not deviate from their text book teachings.
It's interesting to note the parallels between wheat/grasses being the basis of our civilization, as well as giving us the serendipitous discovery of LSD.
Jeremy Kirkpatrick Troy and the Trojan wars were ‘pure myth’... until they found Troy etc... Plato wrote earnestly on the subject, why would pick Atlantis out as myth but believe the rest of his writing?
Jeremy Kirkpatrick well Plato said it was beyond the pillars of Hercules... i think it’s somewhere off the Atlantic coast, not in the med. I need to do more research on Troy? So it hasn’t been discovered?
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick People aren't morons for believing there was a lost civilisation. In fact, at the rate the evidence is coming in, there's more to suggest there was than wasn't. You should be kinder to your fellow man brother.
Plato wrote many framing stories for his dialogues... a walk in rural Attica for Phaedra’s, a celebration for a dramatic contest for the symposium, the story of Diotima in the symposium as well, waiting for Socrates trial in Euthyphro. Many of these are just frame stories. Plato had an option to write diatribes instead of writing dialogues, he chose a more immersive medium. The figure of Critias is interesting - he might be a relative of one of the 30 tyrants appointed by Sparta after Athens lost the Peloponnesian war. So in a way it is am attempt to say that Socrates had more of an association with a relative rather than the tyrant himself. Critias was one of the most hated of that lot among the Athenians. And Socrates seemed to be very much of a pro-Spartan, pro-oligarchic and anti democratic persuasion... and that is the truth behind his execution. So, positioning Critias to tell this story about Athens’ glorious past in unrecorded antiquity is a way of him saying “see, he’s not that bad after all” to his contemporaries. Also jumbling up details about the historical Critias he is also purposefully muddying the waters. So in fact Plato has reasons to chose to tell his story in that way. Presumably Critias would go on to offer an analysis of politics and of history in the platonic fashion. Instead Plato abandoned that effort to write the Laws.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
@@Ardour7artThese ethnic identifications didn't even exist 13.000 years ago and Mesopotamia was pretty much centre of the civilizations at the time. so go fuck yourself with your nationalistic bullshit. This history belongs to human kind.
I agree with some other comments here. Stating that these were the first farmers, and the first people to make bread is a bit premature. They are the first as far as we know. I fear the studiers of Gobekli Tepe are making the same mistake as others before as in claiming in fact that this is the first civilization to abandon hunt gather, for ag. Thats potentially true but we wont know until the next, older Civilization is discovered. Everyone needs to keep an open mind.
So , the guys are sitting around the fire, picken the days kill outta the teeth, complaining about the wifes lack of lovey dovey ... and buddy says...hey!!! lets build a temple, but not just any temple , were gonna use 10 to 15 ton stones..and yes...1 piece monoliths..lol and were gonna drag these stones into place with sheer man-power .... Ya ...thats gonna fly. He then goes on to use the sand and a stick to explain to everyone the correct use of leverage and fulcrums... Let me give up my daily routine,hunt,collect wood for the fire, get water cuz thats all usually done by 10 am , just lemme talk the wife into taking over those chores, we can force kids to hump the stones pick up the slack ...o.k so when do we start.
I think the best way to accomplish that would be with sound waves, utilizing various frequencies depending on the stone at hand. Granite? One frequency, so on and so forth. Maybe a combination of both technologies depending on the material needing to be moved and how far.
@@paranormal33 I believe that's a hypothesis. From there you build up the evidence. Have you any evidence to refute Gayle's hypothesis? I'm thinking not.
That area is fantastic, it really changed my perspective on 'Muslim lands' (Turkey, in general, did).The Goebekli Tepe area (pictured) is touristy just like any other European ancient city - it is the same as being in Athens or Rome or Prague. What is really amazing though is the scale of the place - it's very easy to just have so many neighborhoods with so many different cultures. I'll never forget spending some time in the village near the ancient temple. People did not speak much English but so many locals invited me into their homes for some tea. Despite the language barriers, I was able to use body language and charades skills to let them know that I used to regularly beat my son Roger half-to-death with jumper cables. I'll cherish that cultural exchange for the rest of my life.
We don't know if they "just" discovered agriculture.. but what we do know is that this site proves that people back then were far more advanced than we believed. This site is the start of a new way of looking at our passed..
people forget that along with the neolithic stone working there was already a more sophisticated wood working tradition. Unfortunatly these works rarely show up in archeological sites because wood as an organic product decays over time. Nevertheless we can assume that they were able to build huts, shrines and monuments with wood as the primary building material. The complexity that we see in these megalithic sites may be a product of an extended experience with wood working. A good painter sketches before he starts to paint with more expensive materials.
By its existence, gobekli tepe says there is a less sophisticated but older site where humans figured out how to quarry, transport and erect smaller stones, carve less sophisticated images. You don't start quarrying and transporting 50 tonne stones many kilometers while trying to figure it out on the fly.
There are. There are plenty of petroglyphs which include low relief carving. The Natufians were constructing mud and reed huts at this time and making use of stone for simple structures.
I concur; The brunt of history is written by those with illusory superiority and those seeking to alter it,.. plausibly one in the same. New finds are put on the debunk list and seemingly never removed... kina mischievous.
Yea, not only did you find this place on the surface of the earth but it just so happens to be the cradle of agricultural civilization. Lucky .... super lucky
Gobekli tepe was purposely buried 12 thousand years ago, no one has any idea when it was actually built, 12 thousand, 20 thousand, a hundred thousand years is anyone's guess!!!🖖😁
Thank you for continuing to record and show the new Mirazan sites (the original, local Kurdish name for the recent official gov name). Mirazan ("miracle maker"). the local, childless women give offering at these hills, hoping for a child. The fertility myth of the hills, still lingers. Mirazan is the meaningful, localname for this entire super old civilization/culture. A lot better than the silly name of Gobekli ("potbelly")-- given to it by the ruling government there . I hope you continue showing us more and more of the Mirazan sites as they get dug up.
@@TWOCOWS1 No, If you look at the Lanscape maps(www.google.com/maps/@36.9964263,38.6267208,87201m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttuIt is just near the corner of a hill)where exactly one of the part of Euphates ending.
To say we know anything for certain about this place is a pretty bold statement considering it doesn't fit the timeline of civilization the scientists world wide have come to accept and promote, not to mention the writings are undecipherable. Go ahead and banter and bicker you fools that think you have it all figured out because you know absolutely nothing at all and only have your best guess to go on.
Hunter-gatherer communities would unlikely be able to build such structures as simply finding food sources would be a continual chore. The idea is that grasses adapted in a way that was mutually beneficial and allowed for humans to farm wheat instead of having to forage for it. This meant that less time and energy would have been spent looking for food, which would have given humans more time to pursue other activities and develop their intellectual and technological capabilities.
As far as I've read, it wasn't primarly bread that grain was needed for, but for beer brewing. The oldest agriculture is said to been due to beer. Salud, Skål, Prost, Cheers! :-)
Wonderful BBC Video. All researchers around the world should study this but with an open mind. I am very sorry for my 5 long comments below. But I had to add to an excellent video my incredible anthropological discovery and research. The Cassi or Khasi are described as an Iron Age Tribe of Britain. Please read my detailed history of the Khasis below. I am convince that they erected the Göbekli Tepe complex. My heartiest congratulations to BBC for the great Documentary.
When time vs. gathering calories leaves a surplus of the former. Man would of had the luxury to exercise creative pursuits like stone carving, temple building along with other imaginative and practical pursuits. So perhaps the altered wheat may have given the birth to the idea of a more efficient method to create time via crop cultivation. The priority on free time is no different now.
Very impressive. Still so much to discover there. Looks like the temples may have been partly used for a ritual milling of the seeds? Because there are so many stones carved by rubbing something into powder.. on them. Look at the top of the main pillars, and inside the buildings was found a structure with many such holes done by friction..
I think what is interesting is something like this is usually choreographed. It's one thing to paint something on the wall because you want to paint something on the wall, it's another to decide to build large monuments. It takes concentrated efforts of several people and you need either slaves or workers interest, neither of which are present, I think, among hunter and gatherers.
I think that pillar 43 is the key to understand Gobekli Tepi. The animal figures represent the constellations that the sun rose in at the equinoxes and solstices at the time of construction of the oldest enclosure. The headless figure on the pillar most likely represents some disaster that occurred just prior to the construction. The vulture figure with the round disc most likely is the summer solstice. The three figures at the top the look like handbags with an animal figure beside each one. Those are the spring and fall equinoxes and the winter solstice with their corresponding constellation sign. The event being depicted here is the younger dryes impact event. If you figure in the solar recession cycle and determine when the solstices and equinoxes alignment would have corresponded with these constellations that are represented on pillar 43 it would seem to indicate that the construction took place around 11835 BC. That corresponds quite well with the estimated date of the impact event. The building of the enclosure wasn't as a result of a better wheat variety but as a result of the major climate altering impact event.
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How they know these people are first to have bread from wheat? What they say makes no sense. They got wheat 12000 years ago, supposedly, and the first thing in their mind was to built this huge structure out of stone? I don't think so. You still have agrarian cultures that have no desires to built huge energy and time consuming stone sites like this
+EwE Whisperer That doesnt work to have one male and 4 females. This is because there isnt enough genetic diversity. The population will probably die in under ten generations because of inbreeding, and with rabbits that is about 2 years. Also rabbits are like cardboard nutritionally, and you can actually starve to death eating them.
Royalty was inbred. This is why so many royal people had major mental and physical deformities. Trust me, being inbred is a huge disadantage, They did a study where they got 100 females, and one male, and seen how long the genetics would last, and the population died after about ten generation. Dont screw around with genetics, because the science is very well based.
and as for the testosterone filled low IQ men, that is very A: rude, B: makes me question your intelligence quotient, and C: shows how uninformed you are. As Mark Twain said "never argue with an idiot because he brings you down to his leveland beats you with experience", so im not replying to this comment thread anymore. Im a fourth year university student, and it royally pisses me off when people make statements about things that they have no knowledge of.
+Hendrick VanLaar thats why we are in the mess we are in. first adam and eve. then when that degenerated noah and his family (the only flood servivers ) we have probably died out now and this is hell.
Theres more to this site than meets the eye. About time we started thinking out of the box on this one. There is another site similar to Gobekli. If there are two there must be more.
So, a sort of 'miracle' happened, and a group of hunter-gatherers discovered how to make bread; which suddenly inspired them to build Gobleki Tepe - this is what the narrator would have us think. Klaus Schmitt, the archaeologist, before he tragically died of a heart attack c 2015 was confident that the development stages leading up to the final monument would be sound. But they haven't - the complex seems to have been built in one go. How did so-called hunter-gatherers suddenly develop the skills - the mathematics, astronomy, engineering ability and, more than any of these, the essential administrative organisation without which this temple could never have been built. Whoever built Gobleki Tepe arrived on site with all the necessary skills at their disposal. The big question is: who were they?
@@Theactivepsychos If you mean other sites like Gobleki Tepe, yes - many, many more are known to exist but haven't yet been touched. Karahan Tepe is currently being excavated, and it shows the same knowledge of astronomy as Gobleki Tepe; and it may actually be older. We can but wait and see what further archaeological 'digs' find.
@@lesjones6745 sure. I can’t wait for the LiDAR results from the Sahara region to come In. So many unexplored regions that may well push back the civilisation story.
all that solved was how they fed everyone. Where did they get these skills to build Göbekli Tepe? Stonecutting, brick laying, city development, etc, etc.
Why is there a moaning woman in the background. Any documentary or movie that's filmed in the Middle East seems to always need that annoying musical score.
It's the B.B.C. They do it all the time nowadays, I think it's some contractual obligation to render any potentially interesting programme un-watchable with background music. Their speciality is playing music with either a blindingly obvious or incredibly tenuous link to the subject e.g. the Nile oooh let's play "the Nile Song" I'm sorry, but I think they have a department of very stupid young people with a database of song titles which they excitedly search and feel clever when they feel they have found something god I'm ranting I'll tell you why, on the 75th anniversary of the battle of Britain, the B.B.C. news ran an article, the background graphic was a Fairey Battle dropping a bomb. You just know that their idiot department of matching themes with music/visual stuff Googled "WW2 Battle of Britain" and found that entirely inappropriate clip, "battle" you see, fucking dumbass know-nothing erm o.k. got that off my chest now, what were you saying? Try finding some 1970's Open University programmes, invariably presented by some unkempt, awkward and badly dressed man in black and white with some chalk and a blackboard but VERY WATCHABLE.
@@fritzthedog007 Well ranted, but in future try to retain a wee bit of chest. lol :) Hey just realised bit od Being a british understatement (Better In The Old Days) - suppose it needs ducky on the end ??? Or dammit or dude.... So have you found randall carlson yet ? at ruclips.net/user/YSIproductionsvideos Very much the unkempt man with a white board and a slideshow doing very watchable stuff.
There could be countless civilizations existed in this world.Kingdom of Dwaraka, Gobekli tepe and many more unearthed .But it's sure that they were more intelligent than what we are today and they possessed alien technologies which were far superior than what we have now because they had that divine power and knowledge.No matter how technologically far we become there will be many things we find hard to explain.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “ This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
There's a similar hilltop near the village of Derik. Perhaps the site was buried to protect it from invaders? They might have thought it easier to rebuild on top than to dig it out again.
I don’t think the mystery of Gobelin Tepe has been solved,if it ever will, but the benefits of a well nourished workforce surely must be acknowledged as a small part of the bigger picture?
Experts: making calculated estimations given the evidence and experience they have in the field they are experts in. A dickhead online: nah fam. I won't take bread for an answer. I want a more compelling backstory.
Two questions are posed. One: How was Gobekli Tepe constructed? Two: What role did the mutation of wheat play in the role of agriculture? These questions are not satisfactorily answered.
It is likely the oldest, because it was deliberately buried, and coincides with the world record of wheat. So it appears that hunter gatherers there were the first ones able to create and fuel something like this and something went wrong. Leading them to return to older ways. Or move. But wanted to preserve their original achievement. That’s what I got out of it, I suppose.
could be indeed, or any number of soup pot glalatic races that have been coming here for tens of thousands of years living among us without us even being aware of it...I have yet to have anyone explain Puma Puncu and Ballbek trillitons. Puma Puncu is made of diorite,which happens to be the 2nd hardest mineral around, and copper and stone tools are good as a stick of butter in drilling and cutting these stones, still no splainin being offered, Ica Stones of Peru as well nuthin but mumm, pax!
Very interesting: a picure of people from the past and a picture of people today (the scientist and filmmaker and the comments here. ) Observing history of planet earth and its inhabitants, including homo sapiens invites to a humble attitude.
If built 10,000 BC, then this upends mainstream historical timeline....this had to be an established city beforehand, with a population over 5,000 people or so, maybe a mini kingdom even nearby, 100 villages all over and united etc...
+wotan237 Actually, there is substantial proof that says otherwise. A National Geographic documentary starts with the same assumption/problem. But, they do some work and find that the temples would only need about a tribe of 50 to make one in 6-12 months.
wotan237 you cant just say that there is no proof if it was a a city we would find houses, not just stone pillars just because you think it must of happened is 0 proof that it happened
more likely drawing from smaller tribes in a radius around the area similar to how Stonehenge was probably built. I understand there is evidence in SE US of ancient peoples coming together seasonally around a certain rock formation. If I can find a link, I'll share that.
well acording to Graham Hankock it was " build" constructed ..in connection with the big floodds that ended the atlantis age...... a kind of refuge for some of the survivors from atlantis:-)
So, hunter gatherers decided build Gobekli Tepe, carve 3D animals into huge, single pieces of stone, then bury the whole thing under a huge hill (50 acres) because a plant mutated 12,000 years ago, and the problem is solved....??
the reason wheat is brought into this story is because they need to find a way to explain that hunter gatherers where not the people who built this place. Because that would be impossible. what they need to explain is how hunter gatherers stayed in a place that produced an inefficient food source long enough to select, during many generations, a good enough seed-food resource in order to have overproduction to cover the necessities of a society with enough free time to build this structure.
I think civalisation was here long before Gobeki Tepe, we just haven't found it yet, and I don't mean alians, I mean civalisations that have been whipped out, near exstinction and come back from the brink time and again.
To us, the 4000 year pyramids are ancient. To the pyramid builders, Gobekli Tepe is twice more ancient to them than the pyramids are to us. Mind blown. 🤯
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@ 8:46 "The mystery of Gobekli Tepi was solved."
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Why are there no tools found? Why is there no human remains found?
Always the same - just facile (and glib) _describing,_ not _explaining_ anything. This guy is another of the dozens of young "professors" and "doctors" the BBC uses to try and indoctrinate their "youth" audience. I use quotes around their titles because they were once used 'honorifically' in acknowledgment of a lifetime (decades) of academic endeavour, not in this profligate and vulgar fashion for 20 or 30 something year-old upstarts like "Professor" Iain _"I'm just so fantastic, me"_ Stewart.
Check videos on the Greenland meteoric cataclysm circa 12,800 bc
@@banksjay3234 Because it wasn't a graveyard. Nor was it a tool shed.
Touching, petting and leaning on a monument damages it ! Thank you!
ever heard of acid rain
I heard Gobekli Tepe for the first time during a TV documentary in Italian language. Wow, I didn't know this archaeological site. It's amazing! Its inhabitants were really great builders.
Göbekli Tepe isn’t unique. There are older sites with similar architecture, such as Karahan Tepe.
Since something like 90% or more of this place has not yet been excavated, maybe assuming this is a religious temple built by people newly turned farmers might be a bit premature.
+Dorothyellen w no might be about it they should emphasize the point that it is only a theory. I personally think they are floundering and trying to make this fit their idea's of history instead of admiting they might be wrong and will have to change all the history books.
David Hood - “A final word to students - - What man knows is little enough and most of his general concepts in every field are vitiated by the artificial concepts he has created to cover his ignorance. These concepts must be destroyed.” Hapgood in "Paths of the Poles" p284. Advice we should all take to heart.
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick ... That's a bit crass, isn't it?
Everything is deemed a temple. Those with the power to control the information are working quite hard to keep our world wide focus on fairytales and not the true reasons and purposes.
Man you won't ever change one's mind with insults
Klaus Schmitt and the farmer who owned this land are both heroes and personal inspirations to me!
“At this point they were hunter gatherers”
Annnnd I’m out.
There was no village found. Only this cultural centre.
This video is just a snippet. That was from the previous segment of the doc, which is actually a multipart doc about grass and how it has affected human development through the ages
@ Correct, then there are the many ancient buildings/cities found deep under the ocean.
The Egyptians never built the pyramids of giza, nor the sphinx. The proof is in the complete lack of decoration, just look at literally everything else they made, and the tombs in the valley of the Kings, no comparison. No, it probably wasn't aliens.
I wouldn't trust the BBC to get me a glass of water.
Oh, so as well as highly advanced stone working, these hunter gathers woke up one morning and could genetically modify plants.
Sounds legit.
Hunter gatherer 1: We need, er, bread, give me a minute to genetically alter a shit load of wheat.
Hunter gatherer 2: Yeah, then we'll make sandwiches.
Hunter gatherer 3: You know what we should do now we invented that bread, advanced stone masonry. And we'll align the site perfectly to the north and south.
Hunter gatherer 4: What's North and South, we don't have a compass.
Hunter gatherer 4: Dont worry about that my friend, we don't have the tech to build the tools we need to start this advanced stone masonry, but let's not worry about that either.
And that's exactly how it went.
3c
""At this point they met hunter gatherers and settled among them" would be make more sense.
@ I agree, plus current and past archaeologists and historians don't like their work being turned upside down which is why they will fight any version of history that is different to the norm. Looking at past advanced civilisations all around the world like the clovis people in the Americas, were wiped out by the younger dryas event around 12000 years ago. The chap who runs the bright insight RUclips channel also has a brilliant explanation for the location of the civilisation known as Atlantis, it is the best theory so far on the sea faring nation that battled with the Greeks on many occasions.
the Joe Rogan podcast brought me here.... lol
DEVILxMAYxCRYx5 that podcast was abesloute cancer the guy was being confrontational for no reason trying to project his immature romanticised historical theory no matter who these people were they were living in mud huts and worshipped fake sky gods that is nothing compared to modern human advancement
Me too
Same
Same joe rogan brought me here
Ditto
Here's the problem this site was dated as when it was buried not when it was built ! It could very well be older than 12,000 years.
Charlie Hutch agreed. Notice the small mud bricks or stones used to build wall between the megaliths? Not the same technology. Not like a megalithic civilization. Those appear to have been added later by another group. Which would still have been at least 12 thousand years ago.
@@mattpetree5922 Those walls were built by the team excavating. This place was buried on purpose. ON PURPOSE. They have to put it somewhere.
@@isorokudono No they weren't, they were buried with the rest of the site.
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “
This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
@@Ardour7art Kurdistan? It's Turkey, you dingus.
This only proves one thing,
We don't know shit.
Not really. We just need to refine dates and our picture of the people in the area. It's not overthrowing anything. Dates are always tentative. It's always been assumed that the neolithic revolution was gradual. People in the area would have been pretty advanced before embracing domestication and agriculture fully.
To create Gobekli Tepe, all you needed was one enlightened man with the knowledge/idea to build and men to believe in him!
'The First People to have Bread' - every time the 'timeline' of Civilizations gets pushed back...they then become 'the first people'...how about we realize it's the 'first people WE KNOW OF SO FAR' and leave it open ended...since the story of discovery is always expanding. Academics who are so intelligent would understand this simple fact...woundl't they? They wouldn't be lead by personal ego wanting to be THE person who has discovered THE oldest and FIRST place for whatever would they?
Does it really need to be mentioned? Yes, the oldest sign of civilization we know of. Nothing older was found - yet.
@ Please Listen to Robert Sepehr’s channel. Here is one of his Vids you should hear: ruclips.net/video/XXL09iWJrfs/видео.html
"And in turn bread would lead to something bigger."
Me: Sammiches!!!!
WestOfEarth brilliant
Hehehehehe
The dawn of Toast.
Agreed, I find this very frustrating as well. Documentaries like this bother me because they are so "matter of fact" when so much is speculation.
A very simplistic story telling. Wheat was not our first domesticated plant, agriculture started pretty much at once all around the fertile crescent with a veriety of crops that most of them have not survived. There are many Gobekli Tepes, we are aware of their existence, but we have not dug them out yet.
There are total 12 TEPE in this region. Human history has changed. By the way,10% of the excavation has been completed.
So those peoples realized a genetic mutation in wheat, learned to make bread, became expert farmers, learned to quarry stone, became expert stonemasons, became artisans, building planers and decided to create a megalithic stone city (temple) straight out of the ice age. Not conceivably possible. What is so much more amazing than this discovery is the complete ineptitude of the scientific community. They absolutely will not deviate from their text book teachings.
Oh yeah. It's gotta be them aliens. You know: from "outer space."
@@victorgrauer5834 non its gotta be these hunters and gatherers out of the ice age.
@@mavrozkofee3906 why couldn't it of been???
Bread made them build it! Everything is explained! It also explains the lack of a wine cellar.
what is this, a documentary about bread?
EwE Whisperer of course that's why the Germans started to excavate in 1994 just to move tourism from Egypt to gobeklitepe. makes sense.
Surprised they didn't throw a recipe in.
Think the next episode has Jamie Oliver doing a quick fry up.
Thank you country of 🇹🇷 and Professor Schmidt!
It was Totally moldy rye bread. The translation of Gobekli Tepe is, and correct me if i'm mistaken, Trippin Balls.
It's interesting to note the parallels between wheat/grasses being the basis of our civilization, as well as giving us the serendipitous discovery of LSD.
@@Naudins i share that thought
Göbekli Tepe might be translated as "Paunchy Hill".
The date of this site perfectly coincides with Plato's date of the end of Atlantis.
Haha, people think Atlantis is real
Jeremy Kirkpatrick Troy and the Trojan wars were ‘pure myth’... until they found Troy etc... Plato wrote earnestly on the subject, why would pick Atlantis out as myth but believe the rest of his writing?
Jeremy Kirkpatrick well Plato said it was beyond the pillars of Hercules... i think it’s somewhere off the Atlantic coast, not in the med. I need to do more research on Troy? So it hasn’t been discovered?
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick People aren't morons for believing there was a lost civilisation. In fact, at the rate the evidence is coming in, there's more to suggest there was than wasn't. You should be kinder to your fellow man brother.
Plato wrote many framing stories for his dialogues... a walk in rural Attica for Phaedra’s, a celebration for a dramatic contest for the symposium, the story of Diotima in the symposium as well, waiting for Socrates trial in Euthyphro. Many of these are just frame stories. Plato had an option to write diatribes instead of writing dialogues, he chose a more immersive medium.
The figure of Critias is interesting - he might be a relative of one of the 30 tyrants appointed by Sparta after Athens lost the Peloponnesian war. So in a way it is am attempt to say that Socrates had more of an association with a relative rather than the tyrant himself. Critias was one of the most hated of that lot among the Athenians. And Socrates seemed to be very much of a pro-Spartan, pro-oligarchic and anti democratic persuasion... and that is the truth behind his execution. So, positioning Critias to tell this story about Athens’ glorious past in unrecorded antiquity is a way of him saying “see, he’s not that bad after all” to his contemporaries. Also jumbling up details about the historical Critias he is also purposefully muddying the waters.
So in fact Plato has reasons to chose to tell his story in that way. Presumably Critias would go on to offer an analysis of politics and of history in the platonic fashion. Instead Plato abandoned that effort to write the Laws.
I hope they keep digging that site and investigate the surrounding areas for more information.
Turkey really interesting country always. I very surprised Göbeklitepe 🤔
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “
This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
@@Ardour7artThese ethnic identifications didn't even exist 13.000 years ago and Mesopotamia was pretty much centre of the civilizations at the time. so go fuck yourself with your nationalistic bullshit. This history belongs to human kind.
I agree with some other comments here.
Stating that these were the first farmers, and the first people to make bread is a bit premature. They are the first as far as we know. I fear the studiers of Gobekli Tepe are making the same mistake as others before as in claiming in fact that this is the first civilization to abandon hunt gather, for ag. Thats potentially true but we wont know until the next, older Civilization is discovered. Everyone needs to keep an open mind.
What a great time to be alive folks.
Love and respect to our ancestors brought me here.
I went and saw it...smells like history...we welcome everyone here...Be our guest😊
I get hungry every time I watch this !
Thank you!
The reason for the larger scale of the pyramids is simply more bread!
So , the guys are sitting around the fire, picken the days kill outta the teeth, complaining about the wifes lack of lovey dovey ... and buddy says...hey!!! lets build a temple, but not just any temple , were gonna use 10 to 15 ton stones..and yes...1 piece monoliths..lol and were gonna drag these stones into place with sheer man-power ....
Ya ...thats gonna fly.
He then goes on to use the sand and a stick to explain to everyone the correct use of leverage and fulcrums...
Let me give up my daily routine,hunt,collect wood for the fire, get water cuz thats all usually done by 10 am , just lemme talk the wife into taking over those chores, we can force kids to hump the stones pick up the slack ...o.k so when do we start.
Perhaps ancient physics had mastered magnetic to kinetic energy transfer, which could have allowed them to move large objects effortlessly.
I think the best way to accomplish that would be with sound waves, utilizing various frequencies depending on the stone at hand. Granite? One frequency, so on and so forth. Maybe a combination of both technologies depending on the material needing to be moved and how far.
joe mcfadden Yeah let me quickly learn the stars to set the stones to accurate north and let me quickly learn how to carve stone out of no where
@@eagyl56 - Oh really? And you say this based on what evidence?
@@paranormal33 I believe that's a hypothesis. From there you build up the evidence. Have you any evidence to refute Gayle's hypothesis? I'm thinking not.
Basically we were left behind...our ancestors ditched us.
That area is fantastic, it really changed my perspective on 'Muslim lands' (Turkey, in general, did).The Goebekli Tepe area (pictured) is touristy just like any other European ancient city - it is the same as being in Athens or Rome or Prague. What is really amazing though is the scale of the place - it's very easy to just have so many neighborhoods with so many different cultures. I'll never forget spending some time in the village near the ancient temple. People did not speak much English but so many locals invited me into their homes for some tea. Despite the language barriers, I was able to use body language and charades skills to let them know that I used to regularly beat my son Roger half-to-death with jumper cables. I'll cherish that cultural exchange for the rest of my life.
I don’t get the joke
Hunter gatherers that only just discovered farming were able to all of a sudden construct such a complex megalithic site. Doubt it.
You act like hunter gatherers are much more stupid than agriculturists. Why couldn't they of figured this out????
They were just as smart as you and me my friend
We don't know if they "just" discovered agriculture.. but what we do know is that this site proves that people back then were far more advanced than we believed. This site is the start of a new way of looking at our passed..
people forget that along with the neolithic stone working there was already a more sophisticated wood working tradition. Unfortunatly these works rarely show up in archeological sites because wood as an organic product decays over time. Nevertheless we can assume that they were able to build huts, shrines and monuments with wood as the primary building material. The complexity that we see in these megalithic sites may be a product of an extended experience with wood working. A good painter sketches before he starts to paint with more expensive materials.
So, it was built by Eric Von Danidork and George Tsoukalicious?
By its existence, gobekli tepe says there is a less sophisticated but older site where humans figured out how to quarry, transport and erect smaller stones, carve less sophisticated images. You don't start quarrying and transporting 50 tonne stones many kilometers while trying to figure it out on the fly.
There are. There are plenty of petroglyphs which include low relief carving. The Natufians were constructing mud and reed huts at this time and making use of stone for simple structures.
serioously they haven't got a clue, it's embarrassing
I concur; The brunt of history is written by those with illusory superiority and those seeking to alter it,.. plausibly one in the same. New finds are put on the debunk list and seemingly never removed... kina mischievous.
Yea, not only did you find this place on the surface of the earth but it just so happens to be the cradle of agricultural civilization. Lucky .... super lucky
Yes it’s fascinating that they built this that long ago but it’s even more puzzling why they buried it
remains to be seen whether it was buried or not according to archeologists working at the side. natural occuring landslides might be to blame
Well if it really was buried would make you think they new a natural disaster was going to happen or hid it from an invading army.
This episode of limmys show was surprisingly educational
Graham Hancock has hours of content on Gobekli tepe; I recommend watching him.
Gobekli tepe was purposely buried 12 thousand years ago, no one has any idea when it was actually built, 12 thousand, 20 thousand, a hundred thousand years is anyone's guess!!!🖖😁
If it was all about the wheat, why isn't wheat depicted on the monoliths?
Thank you for continuing to record and show the new Mirazan sites (the original, local Kurdish name for the recent official gov name). Mirazan ("miracle maker"). the local, childless women give offering at these hills, hoping for a child. The fertility myth of the hills, still lingers. Mirazan is the meaningful, localname for this entire super old civilization/culture. A lot better than the silly name of Gobekli ("potbelly")-- given to it by the ruling government there . I hope you continue showing us more and more of the Mirazan sites as they get dug up.
I think This is the hill, Noahs ship landed,
@@galadriel957 more like capsized, since it is on the lowland not a mountain
@@TWOCOWS1 No, If you look at the Lanscape maps(www.google.com/maps/@36.9964263,38.6267208,87201m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttuIt is just near the corner of a hill)where exactly one of the part of Euphates ending.
I saved it and ı will watch it again and again...
To say we know anything for certain about this place is a pretty bold statement considering it doesn't fit the timeline of civilization the scientists world wide have come to accept and promote, not to mention the writings are undecipherable.
Go ahead and banter and bicker you fools that think you have it all figured out because you know absolutely nothing at all and only have your best guess to go on.
Hunter-gatherer communities would unlikely be able to build such structures as simply finding food sources would be a continual chore. The idea is that grasses adapted in a way that was mutually beneficial and allowed for humans to farm wheat instead of having to forage for it. This meant that less time and energy would have been spent looking for food, which would have given humans more time to pursue other activities and develop their intellectual and technological capabilities.
Barry Quinn Finally!!! I person with a brain!
As far as I've read, it wasn't primarly bread that grain was needed for, but for beer brewing. The oldest agriculture is said to been due to beer.
Salud, Skål, Prost, Cheers! :-)
Wonderful BBC Video. All researchers around the world should study this but with an open mind. I am very sorry for my 5 long comments below. But I had to add to an excellent video my incredible anthropological discovery and research. The Cassi or Khasi are described as an Iron Age Tribe of Britain. Please read my detailed history of the Khasis below. I am convince that they erected the Göbekli Tepe complex. My heartiest congratulations to BBC for the great Documentary.
this is so overly dramatic its sad and hillarious at the same time
When time vs. gathering calories leaves a surplus of the former. Man would of had the luxury to exercise creative pursuits like stone carving, temple building along with other imaginative and practical pursuits. So perhaps the altered wheat may have given the birth to the idea of a more efficient method to create time via crop cultivation. The priority on free time is no different now.
A new chapter in history we didn't know it exists before
Very impressive. Still so much to discover there. Looks like the temples may have been partly used for a ritual milling of the seeds? Because there are so many stones carved by rubbing something into powder.. on them. Look at the top of the main pillars, and inside the buildings was found a structure with many such holes done by friction..
I think what is interesting is something like this is usually choreographed. It's one thing to paint something on the wall because you want to paint something on the wall, it's another to decide to build large monuments. It takes concentrated efforts of several people and you need either slaves or workers interest, neither of which are present, I think, among hunter and gatherers.
I think that pillar 43 is the key to understand Gobekli Tepi. The animal figures represent the constellations that the sun rose in at the equinoxes and solstices at the time of construction of the oldest enclosure. The headless figure on the pillar most likely represents some disaster that occurred just prior to the construction. The vulture figure with the round disc most likely is the summer solstice. The three figures at the top the look like handbags with an animal figure beside each one. Those are the spring and fall equinoxes and the winter solstice with their corresponding constellation sign. The event being depicted here is the younger dryes impact event. If you figure in the solar recession cycle and determine when the solstices and equinoxes alignment would have corresponded with these constellations that are represented on pillar 43 it would seem to indicate that the construction took place around 11835 BC. That corresponds quite well with the estimated date of the impact event. The building of the enclosure wasn't as a result of a better wheat variety but as a result of the major climate altering impact event.
Einkorn wheat isn't harvested when it is fully ripe, you would harvest it when it was still green and ripen it on the threshing floor.
Vay be adamlar taa amerigalardan gelip burayı keşfediyorlar wallahi helal oldun ben Urfa'lıyım şimdi'ye kadar hiç gitmedim oraya aramızdaki mesafe 45-50 km olmasına rağmen...
Funny how a documentary about studying a building just flip into learning plants and weeds
Thanks
I have read the book The Genesis Secret by Tom Knox, and it sparked the curiosity about Gobeklitepe.
How they know these people are first to have bread from wheat?
What they say makes no sense. They got wheat 12000 years ago, supposedly, and the first thing in their mind was to built this huge structure out of stone?
I don't think so.
You still have agrarian cultures that have no desires to built huge energy and time consuming stone sites like this
The theory they present on the video is that the amount of people needed to build the temple could not be fed just by hunting and gathering.
+EwE Whisperer That doesnt work to have one male and 4 females. This is because there isnt enough genetic diversity. The population will probably die in under ten generations because of inbreeding, and with rabbits that is about 2 years. Also rabbits are like cardboard nutritionally, and you can actually starve to death eating them.
Royalty was inbred. This is why so many royal people had major mental and physical deformities. Trust me, being inbred is a huge disadantage, They did a study where they got 100 females, and one male, and seen how long the genetics would last, and the population died after about ten generation. Dont screw around with genetics, because the science is very well based.
and as for the testosterone filled low IQ men, that is very A: rude, B: makes me question your intelligence quotient, and C: shows how uninformed you are. As Mark Twain said "never argue with an idiot because he brings you down to his leveland beats you with experience", so im not replying to this comment thread anymore. Im a fourth year university student, and it royally pisses me off when people make statements about things that they have no knowledge of.
+Hendrick VanLaar thats why we are in the mess we are in. first adam and eve. then when that degenerated noah and his family (the only flood servivers ) we have probably died out now and this is hell.
Theres more to this site than meets the eye. About time we started thinking out of the box on this one. There is another site similar to Gobekli. If there are two there must be more.
Basically dogmas of so called scientists are about to change. This is Sensational.
So, a sort of 'miracle' happened, and a group of hunter-gatherers discovered how to make bread; which suddenly inspired them to build Gobleki Tepe - this is what the narrator would have us think. Klaus Schmitt, the archaeologist, before he tragically died of a heart attack c 2015 was confident that the development stages leading up to the final monument would be sound. But they haven't - the complex seems to have been built in one go. How did so-called hunter-gatherers suddenly develop the skills - the mathematics, astronomy, engineering ability and, more than any of these, the essential administrative organisation without which this temple could never have been built. Whoever built Gobleki Tepe arrived on site with all the necessary skills at their disposal. The big question is: who were they?
They first made beer before bread! it was safer that natural water!
Plenty of possible precursor sites around the area.
@@Theactivepsychos If you mean other sites like Gobleki Tepe, yes - many, many more are known to exist but haven't yet been touched. Karahan Tepe is currently being excavated, and it shows the same knowledge of astronomy as Gobleki Tepe; and it may actually be older. We can but wait and see what further archaeological 'digs' find.
@@lesjones6745 sure. I can’t wait for the LiDAR results from the Sahara region to come
In. So many unexplored regions that may well push back the civilisation story.
@@Theactivepsychos That should be something else altogether! Could well be beyond incredible!
Resemblance with SHIVALINGAM ❗
My hypothesis:
Gobleke Tepe was a place of ritual sex and human sacrifice.
A fertility centre of the ancient world.
7:54 - In time bread would lead to something even bigger....Yeah....Pizza!!
Yea not till the American Army in Italy during WW1 & 2. They saw the locals and enterprising solider came home and made his popular!
A d pasta too.
all that solved was how they fed everyone. Where did they get these skills to build Göbekli Tepe? Stonecutting, brick laying, city development, etc, etc.
Natufians.
The bread taught them. One grain of wisdom at a time, wheat know that much. Rye, isnt it obvious?
Why is there a moaning woman in the background. Any documentary or movie that's filmed in the Middle East seems to always need that annoying musical score.
It's the B.B.C. They do it all the time nowadays, I think it's some contractual obligation to render any potentially interesting programme un-watchable with background music. Their speciality is playing music with either a blindingly obvious or incredibly tenuous link to the subject e.g. the Nile oooh let's play "the Nile Song" I'm sorry, but I think they have a department of very stupid young people with a database of song titles which they excitedly search and feel clever when they feel they have found something god I'm ranting I'll tell you why, on the 75th anniversary of the battle of Britain, the B.B.C. news ran an article, the background graphic was a Fairey Battle dropping a bomb. You just know that their idiot department of matching themes with music/visual stuff Googled "WW2 Battle of Britain" and found that entirely inappropriate clip, "battle" you see, fucking dumbass know-nothing erm o.k. got that off my chest now, what were you saying? Try finding some 1970's Open University programmes, invariably presented by some unkempt, awkward and badly dressed man in black and white with some chalk and a blackboard but VERY WATCHABLE.
I could have simply written "Things were better in the old days" but where's the fun in that?
@@fritzthedog007 Well ranted, but in future try to retain a wee bit of chest. lol :)
Hey just realised bit od Being a british understatement (Better In The Old Days) - suppose it needs ducky on the end ??? Or dammit or dude....
So have you found randall carlson yet ? at ruclips.net/user/YSIproductionsvideos
Very much the unkempt man with a white board and a slideshow doing very watchable stuff.
Because for them, all the Middle Eastern countries are arabic. They still think they ride camels in all those countries. Idiots.
U dont lik uluulating
Great vid!!! But you'll need to turn off the sound and closed captioning. Otherwise, you'll not make it past 16 seconds.
so in a video about Gobekli Tepe you talk a lot about wheat.
There could be countless civilizations existed in this world.Kingdom of Dwaraka, Gobekli tepe and many more unearthed .But it's sure that they were more intelligent than what we are today and they possessed alien technologies which were far superior than what we have now because they had that divine power and knowledge.No matter how technologically far we become there will be many things we find hard to explain.
Excavating more or the rest of the area, might give us answers to some of our questions.
urfalıyım daha göbekli tepeyi görmedim adamların yaptığına bak.
Wallahi ben de öyle işte ülkemizin neden gelişemediğinin nedenleri bunlar...
Gerizekalisin ozaman
Girdê Tepe “ Gubekli Tepe “
This land is kurdistan, Those countries besid us ( Turkey, iraq, iran and syria) not even controlled our land even they controlled our history and culture. People have been living on this land since oldest time. In the history had different names but now we all together say we are kurds and our land is kurdistan. We have a famous castle (Erbil citadel ) more than 8,000 years old.
There's a similar hilltop near the village of Derik. Perhaps the site was buried to protect it from invaders? They might have thought it easier to rebuild on top than to dig it out again.
Why don't you allow this video to be downloaded by the public ?
Good video and photography. The bloke seems Michael York sans oxford English.
Excelent video
The mystery is solved: they could make bread. Wow. THEY SAY THAT, not me! 9 minutes. Unbelievable.
I don’t think the mystery of Gobelin Tepe has been solved,if it ever will, but the benefits of a well nourished workforce surely must be acknowledged as a small part of the bigger picture?
These are the fore fathers of the aboriginals in Australia. Australia has the same animal carvings and drawings all over the place.
You're right! Its way more advanced than my shack which I built just yesterday!
Hes applying modern thinking to ancient minds who wanted to survive and found a way how.
BS documentary. Jumps to conclusions with all this nonsense talk about bread!
Please, share your expertise with us
Experts: making calculated estimations given the evidence and experience they have in the field they are experts in.
A dickhead online: nah fam. I won't take bread for an answer. I want a more compelling backstory.
I once made a sandwich, straight after I was able to design and build a rocket. Powerful stuff that bread.
And the evidence for the age of this site is? These extreme claims should be supported by the evidence, come on, this is basic stuff. Get a grip BBC.
Radiocarbon dating.
Two questions are posed. One: How was Gobekli Tepe constructed? Two: What role did the mutation of wheat play in the role of agriculture? These questions are not satisfactorily answered.
History = TURKEY
TURKEY = History
Why did I have to find out about this place through a video game, why isn't it more famous than it is?
They were trying to imply that ordinary men made Tepe...IMO it was a landing site for the Anunnaki.
It is likely the oldest, because it was deliberately buried, and coincides with the world record of wheat.
So it appears that hunter gatherers there were the first ones able to create and fuel something like this and something went wrong. Leading them to return to older ways. Or move. But wanted to preserve their original achievement. That’s what I got out of it, I suppose.
Maybe this was said and I missed or I’m so old but either way why was gobekli Tepe built ?
could be indeed, or any number of soup pot glalatic races that have been coming here for tens of thousands of years living among us without us even being aware of it...I have yet to have anyone explain Puma Puncu and Ballbek trillitons. Puma Puncu is made of diorite,which happens to be the 2nd hardest mineral around, and copper and stone tools are good as a stick of butter in drilling and cutting these stones, still no splainin being offered, Ica Stones of Peru as well nuthin but mumm, pax!
Very interesting: a picure of people from the past and a picture of people today (the scientist and filmmaker and the comments here. ) Observing history of planet earth and its inhabitants, including homo sapiens invites to a humble attitude.
If built 10,000 BC, then this upends mainstream historical timeline....this had to be an established city beforehand, with a population over 5,000 people or so, maybe a mini kingdom even nearby, 100 villages all over and united etc...
+wotan237 Seems unlikely that this was a 'flash in the pan' a one shot deal and then died out/ without spreading...
+wotan237 Actually, there is substantial proof that says otherwise. A National Geographic documentary starts with the same assumption/problem. But, they do some work and find that the temples would only need about a tribe of 50 to make one in 6-12 months.
collin petry Did they replicate it, build a model?
wotan237 you cant just say that there is no proof if it was a a city we would find houses, not just stone pillars just because you think it must of happened is 0 proof that it happened
more likely drawing from smaller tribes in a radius around the area similar to how Stonehenge was probably built. I understand there is evidence in SE US of ancient peoples coming together seasonally around a certain rock formation. If I can find a link, I'll share that.
well acording to Graham Hankock it was " build" constructed ..in connection with the big floodds that ended the atlantis age...... a kind of refuge for some of the survivors from atlantis:-)
The pyramids in Bosnia are far older. Eventually these amazing structures will have to be recognized.
So, hunter gatherers decided build Gobekli Tepe, carve 3D animals into huge, single pieces of stone, then bury the whole thing under a huge hill (50 acres) because a plant mutated 12,000 years ago, and the problem is solved....??
the reason wheat is brought into this story is because they need to find a way to explain that hunter gatherers where not the people who built this place. Because that would be impossible. what they need to explain is how hunter gatherers stayed in a place that produced an inefficient food source long enough to select, during many generations, a good enough seed-food resource in order to have overproduction to cover the necessities of a society with enough free time to build this structure.
I think civalisation was here long before Gobeki Tepe, we just haven't found it yet, and I don't mean alians, I mean civalisations that have been whipped out, near exstinction and come back from the brink time and again.
To us, the 4000 year pyramids are ancient. To the pyramid builders, Gobekli Tepe is twice more ancient to them than the pyramids are to us. Mind blown. 🤯
Me encantó!
For 2.5 million years humans were the healthiest. Then they discovered wheat.