How Jim Carrey’s 'Unsanctioned Buffoonery' Saved Batman Forever
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Paul Dano is bringing The Riddler back to theaters for the first time in over 20 years with The Batman. But in this video, we’re going to take a look back at the last live-action Riddler and talk about how Jim Carrey’s Riddler saved Batman Forever.
The story starts in 1992 with the release of Batman Returns. It turns out that the second Batman movie from Tim Burton caused quite the moral panic. Parents were outraged that such a “violent” PG-13 film could be marketed to children. Warner Bros. took notice and decided to change the direction of the new film.
1994 was quite a year for Jim Carrey. Funny moments were sprinkled all over the three absolute classics he dropped that year. The Mask, Dumb and Dumber, and Ace Ventura: Pet Detective each feature some of the best Jim Carrey moments and absolute funniest Jim Carrey lines. All that success led him directly to Batman.
While Batman Forever (1995) is not considered one of the best Batman movies, it does have some superb Jim Carrey funny moments. We’ll talk about the tension on-set between Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey as well as play the Jim Carrey Interview from Live with Norm MacDonald where he talks about it. And finally were going to go deep into the nuances of Jim Carrey’s Riddler performance and how he prepares for all his comedy roles.
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That kid critic was hilarious. You can tell he's shilling for his parents or some activist group.
I cracked up when he said the second time he watched it.
Where is he now, and does he hate himself? Lol
Exactly what kid talks like that
That kids a vageen, when I was his age I was watching Judgement Day and Starship Troopers lol
@@MajorasMaskk And now here you are pretending to be a fictional comic book character lol
@@zachiswayposi1 you’re the kid from the video… I knew it!
That 'child critic' HAD to be scripted by adults. No child I've ever met would describe ANY movie as "And attack on children.".....aside from maybe 'The Last Airbender'
I don't know. Last Jedi attacked my childhood
Ouch, you guys. Need a “burn warning ⚠️”, lol
LMAO
I'll bet that kid is living the life of a sniveling asshole somewhere today
Ah yes, I would also send a 10-year-old boy to watch and critique a PG-13 movie. Yeah, you could tell that his "expert opinion" was a script given to him by an adult.
Wonder how much he was paid to recite that?!
as soon as he said "it was a total attack against kids" I knew there was no way in fuck that everything he was saying wasn't written by an adult, kids just don't use that kind of speech
@@thesyndrome43 😂
What a little prissy mf. And they have the nerve to call our generation SoFT 🤣🤣
@@justinsixx90 I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't paid
I love when parents allow small kids see a movie with a higher age rating and then wonder how this all could be stopped. If only there was a simple solution…like age restrictions that could somehow warn us of the content that we could then weigh against our own personal beliefs. But complaining to the media is actually much easier than parenting.
@not tellin Yeah, middle-aged house wives in California watch things and then complain about it. Or at least, that's basically how it was described in a video talking about it...
Humans are generally stupid in my experience.
Danny Slasky is the kind of kid that reminds the teacher to give the class homework. Never forget.
Someone find Danny Slasky and get his take now
@@michaelash1533 funny enough I was thinking that lmao
Lol you beat me to this comment. I thought the exact same thing
Batman Returns is the first movie I ever saw in theaters. I was 5 years old. I loved it then, and love it more now. What kid doesn't love penguins with rocket packs?
😆👍 I agree!
I watched Batman Returns at freakin' 6 years old and I LOVED IT SINCE THEN. That kid was painfully directed.
I was 6 when BR came out and it scared me away from wanting anything to do with it, but then I rediscovered it at 13 and it's now my 6th favorite movie of all time, 2nd favorite Superhero movie, and have my favorite film score of all time featuring my favorite musical composition ever written.
I think I saw it when I was 8 or something. And other kids around the same age also loved it. The person who wrote the script for the critic kid probably didn't pay attention watching the movie or he thinks that all the kids are pretty dumb. Also I did read the comic based on movie first (it was like a shot for shot retelling of the story) - a lot of things they said in the movie didn't quite translate well to the pages since a lot of the weird and dark stuff was also conveyed with motion, tone of the voice and expressions there.
lol I watched all those movies pretty young around that age as well, I actually apparently got a lot of nightmares from it according to my mom but I loved it so much they couldn’t just take the movies away from me without feeling bad.
That kid is directed to say whatever the producers thinks moms wants to hear
@@KiazaKadaj your mom likely scripted those nightmares if you dont remember them .
I can recall nightmares as a kid still quite clearly , batman returns wasnt one of em for me i was 8 the first couple of times i saw it in the theaters , and it remained up their as one of my top loved movies for 5 or 6 years till jurrasic park knocked the tops down to tied for 2nd place with me.
I saw alot of movies and things i prolly shouldnt have from a extremley young age and danny deveto biteing a fish and a nose was pretty tame in comparison ,it just was blown way over board with its portrayl back then
And even stupider looking back on it nowadays , altho i might be a special exception due to getting my mouth ripped open real badly as a small child and seeing it in the mirror after (im serious too this isnt a joker type joke) altho it is prolly why i liked the joker the best as a villan tho now that im thinking in that connection for the first time really.
I dont have the smileing scar ,its more a upside down T from bottom lip to chin incase any are wondering
The problem with Batman Forever was Tommy Lee-Jones deciding to try and keep up with Carrey rather than being an alternative/foil.
He's a great straight man, but the role does ask for someone to play two opposing personalities. He probably wasn't the best choice no matter who he worked with.
Honestly, he probably wouldn’t be a bad two face with a great script. But it was the 90’s 😂
Riddler and two faces dynamic would've worked much better if they had contrasting personalities with two face as the serious and stern one and Riddler as the over the top one. It doesn't work to have them both be campy
Harvey Dent really didn't belong in this film. It didn't matter who played him. Its like putting McBeth in a Mel Brooks movie.
Jones did a decent job of trying to match two face to the movie's tone and Jim Carrey's energy, but it was a lost cause.
@@ThePete1081 think Ronan from guardians of the galaxy, that's the level of humor two face should have had
I will say this: my mom had to take me out of the theater because I was so traumatized by the “violence” in Home Alone 2, but Batman Returns was one of my favorite movies. Idk what that says about me but I just didn’t think it was that frightening. It helps when Danny Devito is giving probably the most underrated performance of his career.
It's easy to connect this movie with the idea comics- Home Alone 2 honestly felt a little two real, even when I was a kid. A special kid in a slightly above average real life situation. It just says you are good at feeling uncomfortable with what is plausible. You were one smart kid.
Makes sense. Home Alone 2 was really where Kevin cemented his commitment to torturing specific targets that he would manipulate into his death traps. Is it any wonder that Kevin McAlister grew up to be Jigsaw? Home Alone 1&2 are just prequels to SAW.
That part where Marv gets turned into a skeleton from being electrocuted could be off-putting for kids.
@@klystron2010 Hahaha that was my favourite part actually... But then... That probably says more about kid me...or...me in general. Lol
That is pretty weird. Maybe you weren't as affected by "realistic violence" as by "cartoon violence. I always found the kind of gross violence in late 80 and early 90s movies as disgusting. But I have to say Batman 2 was own of my favourite movies as a kid. I'm referring more to the horror genre of the time
Billy Dee Williams was overlooked to reprise his role as Harvey Dent, but received redemption in The Lego Batman Movie.
Don’t forget, Billy Dee Williams likeness is being used for the Batman 89 comic (the unmade sequel).
Yeah they were racist
Also don’t forget the Batman 89 comic book series that just came out this past year
@@themondoshow I am a racist for pointing out that Tim Burton casts white only. You must be from the mirror universe.
@@cherijoseph7819 he’s racist
Am I the only one who actually likes Jones Two-Face? I love how he delivers lines like "why can't you just die!" Frustrated with Batman surviving his last attempt to kill him again.
Problem might be with him being together on screen with the Riddler - if he was more like his animated series counterpart - composed, but you could push him over the edge to become a violent gangster it might not work together well with this Riddler, so it seems he was brought down to the same maniacal level of behavior and most of the time lacked a more distinct personality - felt like he was just tagging along. But there were moments that did make his character stand out as well.
@@CobraFat2000 The characters were too similar for them to be different villain's. I think they should have made him contradict Riddler's personality as sort of having a reluctant alliance rather than them being partners in crime. Probably would have gone over a lot better if Jones had been allowed to channel his annoyances with Carrey's performance into Two Face's personality. They almost made Two Face seem incompetent at times as well which bothered me because was the damn DA of Gotham
@@RaneBoDasch Have to agree with you. It might've worked way better with them not being two goofballs. Maybe even throwing in TAS thing where he and Bruce Wayne were friends and throwing that in the whole dynamic where they both are against Batman, but Dent allies himself with Bruce and the Riddler doesn't. That would give it some additional duality for both villains.
I feel it just was off the rails after burton was deneid to do more of them , was less the actors fault and purely falls on the studios shoulders for the blame .
Take nolans the dark knight for example , finally the studios learned the fans dont want neon colorful campy dirbble so a 6 year old can play with a happy meal toy .
And harvey dent was portayed in way more fitting to his character even when on screen with a nutjob like the joker .
Didnt feel like 2 villans trying to steal the spotlight more then the other in terms of goofy humor, but was a good flow of the 2 channeling their own pains and downward spirals with each other those being of pain and revenge vs anarchy and insanity to make a force stronger then before seperated.
Why they thought a movie about a kid who see's his parents murderd and vows to spend his whole like stopping murders is a perfect this is for the kids type movie was just moronic .
When a studio and writer take from a set storyline but dont care to keep up its tones or wants of the fan base you get movies like "super marios movie" or the 1st american "godzilla"
It was a sad day for films after that little kid sold out and cried on tv about it too scary , why arnt all movies for kids waaaaah😫
Im not sure if it was hancock or deadpool or kickass that finally turned it around again but thanks to art like those we can be hopefull once again maybe it wont be a 2hr suck fest after the trailers are over.
@@lordmaddrox but I liked the neon paint street thugs too. They were cool. They had character to them. Way cooler than Burtons clowns.
And they thought Batman should be for kids because he's is for kids. Having a tragic past doesn't negate that. Rugrats is a cartoon for kids even if Grandpa makes refrences to porn movies and Stue goes through his midlife crisis. You just let some things go over kids heads or don't rub it in their face and thats fine.
Both Jim and Paul’s versions of Edward is why I love reinterpretations so much, Carrey’s more theatrical and comedic Riddler couldn’t be more opposite to Dano’s terrifying Zodiac Killer but they are completely recognisable and defined as their own unique versions of Edward, it’s like Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger with their versions they couldn’t be more opposite but they both work as their respective interpretations
Yeah but when has riddler ever been like the zodiac killer? A mass murderer yes but he's basically like calendar man but edgier in the batman movie
Its exactly why i hate them.
Paul Dano sucks
I’ve always thought nicholson’s joker was cheesy and shit
@@larryjake7783 I mean...both sent clues and puzzles directly to the people investigating them, and his schemes usually err on the side of terrorism and tyranny more than literally anything else. Zodiac Riddler is a valid interpretation, but I can understand if you don't enjoy it as much.
The Riddler was also pretty prominent in Batman: The Animated Series, which ran multiple years ahead of Batman Forever, and was quite good about getting the best out of every villain featured
@@skeletalsounds_ Yeah, but there weren't enough Riddler episodes.
Ignoring the Animated Series in this video is a huge misstep. It was probably the best portrayal of Batman on any screen and the most influential subject matter for Batman fans that grew up in the 90's, not these movies.
@@chimaerica1613
This video is probably a promotion for Jim Carrey fans more than for actual Batman fans. The kind of people who assume that everything Jim Carrey does is perfect.
Here's the thing about BTAS Riddler: I thought he was very prominent in the show too, until about a month ago when I rewatched the series.
He's in 3 episodes. 3.
He doesn't even get in on any group-villain episodes, or side appearances beyond a couple brief visual cameos. Just his own trio of eps, and that's it.
The fact that he still left such an impact on viewers that he's remembered as vividly as Joker and Two-Face is a testament to how fucking great the character is. But I can see why it wouldn't be considered a huge turning point for him in the eyes of DC.
my thoughts exactly
I want to point out that the names of the two Schumacher Batman movies felt mixed up. The first one should’ve been called “Batman and Robin” because it’s an interpretation of Robin’s origin story, while the second should’ve been called “Batman Forever”, because it’s the fourth installment.
I always thought this too!
I'm sure I recall some 90's reviewer who made a joke about how "Forever" was how long this movie seemed to go for.
Always felt the same
Which is wrong. The film is called Batman Forever, because he is going through a personality crisis here, Batman and Bruce start a conflict, and he needs to find a balance, which he does in the finale. This is not so obvious, because most of the scenes of this plot were cut, due to the fact that they were heavy and dramatic, which the Warners did not need.
@@Reivanhist Yeah, the title is "Batman Forever" because by the end, there's a bit of dialogue that somberly notes that Bruce is going to be doing this for the rest of his life, even if he has internal peace over his reason why.
If anything, TLJ's Two-Face just further proves what an amazing actor he is. He's known for serious roles, at most a stick-in-the-mud character, and he genuinely looks like he's having the time of his life playing Harvey.
*This.* He elevated the whole movie by having that gravitas but throwing it away most of the time to be the deranged character the setting demanded. It also made Carrey’s crazed energy and Kilmer’s overwrought seriousness feel normal because it meant EVERYONE was giving 150%. There aren’t many people who can keep up with Carrey when he lets loose. But TLJ was right there making Harvey/Two-Face stand out in every scene and really did seem like he was half of the big plan driving the plot. The both of them were giving us Camp x 1000 and actually seemed to be trying to out-Over-Act each other at times. I really liked this version of Harvey who seemingly had no inhibitions as Two-Face rather than purposely choosing to adopt the gimmick out of trauma or whatever. I loved it, I still love it, and I’m glad we got to experience it even if it wasn’t what we’d come to expect from the Burton films.
Also, big kudos to the prop/set designers and wardrobe, they were a big part of what sold the villain acts as believable. The Riddler’s house and Two-Face’s lair were SO FUN to watch over and over and made the Batcave look so much more cool and serious than it could alone (though I always felt that Wayne Manor needed way more of that ‘cluttered, lonely mausoleum’ feeling like Burton’s version started). Seeing the Batcave get destroyed _hurt_ after it looked so damn cool.
(Personal shoutout to whomever asked Drew Barrymore to wear that babydoll outfit as Angel. I didn’t know why at the time but it left as big of an impression as Chris O’Donnell being shirtless, lol)
If anyone hasn’t seen VAL yet, Kilmer did a take on how Schumacher turned batman into a toy commercial. And actively hindered his acting on set. Val wanted to make the movie dive deeper into Bruce but Joel didn’t care and believed that it was only gonna be kids watching and it would be over their heads.
Joel was just following the studio mandate.
@@Reivanhist I think Joel was honestly trying to save face years later. He always originally intended to combine Burton elements with 60's Batman elements. I He could've easily dialed the creative direction back to Batman 89 but he was completely on board with the direction. Then came Batman & Robin, which was more of the same enabling. One would think, that since Schumacher delivered financially with Forever, that he could get his way next. With actors like Johnny Depp and Ethan Hawke also in the mix for Batman it could true that Schumacher wanted to do a younger Year One Batman but no one has ever seen him say it on camera.
That's not to say that Joel can't do a serious Batman movie. His filmography shows that he could. Forever had promise but as a director he could've reigned in Tommy Lee Jones and he was completely over the top with the concept of Batman and Robin!
@@youngblood4127 There was no talk of Batman in the 60s at all. References to him are the studio's decision, not his. He did not repeat Batman Burton because he is not Burton, which Burton himself understood, approving his vision of the character. And Schumacher wasn't in favor, he was just trying to save the character, believing that he could find a balance between what he wants and what the studio wants. It was for this that he apologized, he failed to defend his vision and considered himself guilty. It is easy to find recordings of him walking around the Batman and Robin playground and saying in frustration that they are not shooting a movie in advertising here. If during Forever he had at least some control, although even in the features the authors say that they shot the wrong movie that was shown in the cinema, then when shooting Batman and Robin, he was just an executor of the will of the studio.
@@Reivanhist I believe Schumacher is on record in stating that he was a fan of the 60's Adam West Batman and wanted to reinvigorate that same flair. If I can find that soundbite, I will. Nevertheless, as a director, the very least he could've done was do some research on Harvey Dent Two-Face and told Tommy Lee Jones to dial it back. He didn't and it severely cost Batman Forever even more. I mean Joel allegedly loved Batman Year One yet he couldn't decipher the nuance was laid before him to make the character great in live action. Also, there's a RUclips Podcast called Superhero Stuff You Should Know - They've essentially went over ever iteration of Batman Forever and the missed, more mature & darker potentialities that Joel had removed in favor of campier, kid friendly material.
That kid was paid off to say that about Batman Returns and you’ll never convince me otherwise
lol obviously
That kid killed Kennedy!
What kid Talks like that
True
Whatever the critics say, Batman Forever has a soft spot in my heart because I watched this movie an ungodly amount of times as a kid cause we had a VHS player but only had this movie (and one other Jean Claude Van Damme film, Nowhere to run) to watch. Watched it too many times I used to be able to recite the whole movie as it played. Good times.
Edit: yes even those over the top Riddler/Jim Carrey parts. And yes Jim Carrey's performance as Riddler is a huge part of why I love this movie.
That's the same with me but with batman and robin,I used to watch a bootleg disc of it everyday when I was younger
Bruh same, Jim Carrey is probably the sole reason I love Riddler as much as I do.
Same I watched this movie ungodly amount of time as a kid who didn't understand English yet lol. Honest trailer had it right, it's definitely the worst movie I seen 30 times.
come on down! your the next contestant on....BRAIN DRAIN!
That was one of my favorite scene's in that movie. The imagery of the scene, sfx, stealing intelligence, murder framed as a suicided. Was condensed into a short but powerful introduction of the Riddler. One of the best Antagonist introductions ever. Jim Carrey and the director's vision for that scene were perfect.
Batman and Robin is the movie that has a soft spot for me. It is so bad, cheesy and a blast to watch for fun
Val Kilmer is an underrated Batman for sure. For whatever reason he always felt convincing as Bruce Wayne and Batman
He was definitely the best Bruce Wayne out of all the other actora.
It didn’t hurt that he was so damn handsome either lol
Woulda been better if the bat nipples didnt just turn him into a walking joke in every scene , wtf were they on when they said what dose batman need....? Ah i got it nipples.
Or wait or was that clooney? Ogod its all a blurry mishmash of awfulness to me now
i like pretty much every performance ive seen him in. heck he's still handsome. definitely underrated & underutilized.
I actually like Jim Carrey's Riddler. Never understood why it was so disliked.
Jim Carrey's been playing Jim Carrey for 30 years in every movie and people still praise him for it.
Except Man on the Moon…that is the only exception I can think of but ONLY because he’s playing a person who actually existed. Otherwise I completely agree with you.
That's what ppl pay him to do in the first place.
As they should.
Anddd? Stay mad.
You’re missing it. Yeah he’s Jim Carey, but he’s good. His presence is perfect for a deranged genius villain.
The interview where Paul Dano said he had trouble sleeping, had less to do with the role itself and more the make-up they had him in, with there being a good chance he got heatstroke after spending a day shooting with his head being wrapped in plastic, only the headline just left it at 'He had trouble sleeping' without providing the context, letting you jump to the conclusion is was a similar situation to Ledger & Jordan. When it wasn't.
That was his own choice though, he mentioned before he wanted the plastic wrapping and spoke to Matt about it added for the character
I think you meant costume. He was wearing a pull over mask. That isn't make-up.
He specifically had a problem with the cling film he wore under the tactical mask. It was a story detail that Riddler wrapped his head in plastic to avoid leaving DNA at the crime scenes.
Lol they use this subversion in News even.
I'm pretty sure it's a popular myth that Ledger was personally troubled by his role as Joker.
I was a kid when Batman Forever was released, and 100% of me was in on it for Jim Carrey. I can't say they chose wrong.
If there were two good things about Batman Forever, they were Jim Carrey and "Kiss from a Rose."
Amen.
McDonalds glassware would be my #3. I don’t know why I love to drink out of those mugs, but they are perfectly textured, themed and absolutely built to last. My family still has the two that have been used frequently since the 90s! I ended up buying a set off of eBay in the naughties for my own collection.
What, you didn't like U2's song?
Honestly the whole soundtrack album was great-Method Man, Nick Cave, PJ Harvey, Flaming Lips! Stacked
There were many good things about Batman Forever, but those are certainly two of them.
That kid critic was programmed cringe, he had those talking points absolutely memorized, almost like a warning about the future
In Living Color was not an underground comedy show. It was an Emmy award winning show that was on FOX for five years. Without in Living Color there would be no Jim Carey.
Yeah this white boy dissed the fuck outta In Living Color with that statement. He must have never seen it or is too young.
Almost everything he says here is way off but I was shocked by that too.
Possibly also no J Lo…. (Was a background “fly girl” dancer on the show)
@@rplatt9829 Troll
It was on in early prime time, what's more, and was considered family-friendly at the time.
The beautiful thing about films is that we still have them. We can enjoy each performance for what it is, without comparing the two.
I love Paul Dano, and Jim Carey’s performances. And also! I think Val Kilmer nailed Batman and I wish he did another film.
I've always thought Kilmer was great as Batman. I'd love to have seen him in a more serious or grounded movie, he managed to pull off a grounded Wayne in a movie that was so goofy, what could he do in a movie that was trying to be serious?
Oh, how magnanimous of you!
at the end of the day, it’s a comic book movie. and jim carrey did a great job.
Actually Jim Carrey wanted to play The Riddler like Frank Gorshin's version but they wouldn't let him.
Agree
"I got them! I got them!" -Frank after a sea-to-air missile hit on the Dynamic Duo's bat-copter
"I got him!" -Jim after a sea-to-air missile hit on Batval's bat-flyer thingy
It was the longest time before I realized that little homage, @@gouryg4774 😎
In a better reality than ours, though, Jim would have been discovered on time to play a comics-faithful Joker.
You really have to dig deep to get enough information about Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey's interactions during the time they were filming this. It's been said that TLJ "hates" JC, but he never actually said that. TLJ told JC that he has no respect for him as an actor, because he doesn't believe that what JC does is comedy, just buffoonery, and that what JC does in not acting. TLJ considers himself a very serious actor, and therefore, does not like working with anyone he doesn't consider a real actor. His issues with JC were never personal, and he even told JC he had no problem with him as a person, he just hated working with him. TLJ considered the whole movie stupid and unnecessary, but was still willing to act stupid for his son.
In all honesty, Batman Returns truly isn't for younger kids. It's PG13 for a reason.
One of Tim Burton’s most underrated masterpieces is Batman Returns
This wasn't Burton, this steaming pile was the fault of Joel Schumacher the gay who killed superhero movies for twenty years with his "bat nipples" , "Bat Bulges" and all the other shit in this movie before doubling down on the suck with batman and robin. Val Kilmer almost walked off the set when he found out burton was forced out and Joel Schumacher was now in charge and planned to make the movie more like the 60s TV show.
@@From-North-Jersey He said Batman Returns , not Forever.
@@From-North-Jersey This movie was great. You just have no taste.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 This page was about the shitty jim carrey playing riddler suck fest with Val Kilmer as batman, how my comment wound up under batman returns, or why someone would drag a good movie like batman returns into a discussion about how Joel Shuumacker destroyed superhero movies for 20 years is beyond me.
It was 20 years from batman and robbin to the first sam raimi spiderman movie. Why did it take that long? because Batman forever and batman and robin were made for 3 year olds and gay guys over 40. Bat nipples , bat bulges, rentboi robin. If Warner had let Burton keep making the movies we would not have had a twenty year gap.
The Tim Burton Batman movies were great! Too bad Hollywood didn't allow Burton to keep making Batman films.
I mean Jim was fun in the movie - but ngl that soundtrack still was the best part.
Uh yeah. Last time I had a work trip, they gave me a nice black car. First song I played: "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me"
Kiss From A Rose is one of my all-time faves.
@@jasonblalock4429 oh yes!!!
I think the movie is great because it has two exact opposites acting as villains and these villains also work together albeit somewhat reluctantly. For me this made sense because they both had very different philosophies on how to do things.
The ironic part is, this video tries to praise Jim Carrey's performance as "The Mask" with Batman Begins being violent as hell, yet (from what I have read and heard) "The Mask" was based off of a comic series, which was incredibly violent to the point of pretty much every character except for The Mask himself meeting bloody and painful deaths.
You need to read the Mask immediately. Its fantastic.
The video never mentioned Batman begins it was talking about Batman returns and Batman forever
@@kevin10001 excuse me mister pickypants, are you the newest and lamest Batman villain?
@@cainster why are you giving them a hard time just because they pointed out an accidental error on your comment? Nobody's perfect. 😊
These movies helped pave the way to the movies we have today in the comic book industry. There was a time actors and actresses did not want to be in any type of movie based off a comic book or even a graphic novel. Wouldn't it be amazing to see a new Batman directed by Tim Burton now after all this time? As dark as the present day Batman movies have been, I imagine Tim Burton's would be received well by the public, especially now that those kids of the late '80's and early '90's are the adults now.
I like how back then, people assumed that comic book movies were meant to be for kids. Real Batman is not a kids comic, its heavy and violent.
Batman comics were not originally meant for children. They were always dark and violent, and the series was one of the top reasons why the Comics Code was invented in the first place.
Tommy Lee Jones said he wouldn’t sanction any buffoonery, while playing one of the biggest buffoons in cinema. Also has he seen the other movies he’s been in? (Under siege, Natural Born Killers, Man of the House) he’s sanctioned a lot of buffoonery during his career
Having said that, he’s one of my favorite actors and he’s in like 3 of my all time favorite movies
Yeah his Natural Born Killers character was straight up buffoons, but love that movie!
Maybe he'd say his acting is more nuanced. Jim's just dialed up to eleven all the time when he does comedy.
He just meant he couldn't stop Jim Carrey, which is more of a compliment with two face being the main character
@@boom1759 Considering there are other statements that he hated Jim Carrey, he definitely doesn't mean it as a compliment.
Tommy Lee Jones never said he hates Jim Carrey. He said he hated working with Jim Carrey, because he doesn't consider what Jim Carrey does to be comedy or acting. Jones may have had some roles that were considered a bit dumb, but it wasn't the ridiculous, over the top nonsense that he considers Jim Carrey's acting to be.
Nothing could "save" Batman Forever... but he did save the character IN the movie, for sure.
I'm an 80's kid, but I saw this (along with 89' Batman and Batman Returns) in theaters when they came out.
Danny Slaski was remembering something an adult told him to say. If he really meant to say that himself, it wouldn't have been so disjointed coming out of his mouth.
I saw Batman Returns in the theater when I was 6 and I loved it. It's still my favorite Batman movie, and always will be. WB's was stupid for course correcting. Sadly they still haven't learned from their many mistakes.
They over corrected again by letting Nolan make it too gritty and serious, by his third film I could barely stay awake.
Burton struck exactly the right balance of darkness paired with whimsy.
Dano’s Riddler was great but Colin’s Penguin was the highlight for me..
Dare I say, it rivals Danny’s Penguin in terms of performance as well..
How's he measure up against Burgess Meredith?
That is the best part about stars that bring these characters to life. They give them a unique energy all their own. So each generation gets to deliver an experience different from another from the past.
Another one to look at is the BTAS. Top notch talents within the series also delivered unforgettable performances
Regardless of it's craziness, I love everything about this movie. I have a major soft spot for movies before the 2000s. They are just plain fun, unlike today where even the dumbest things need to be taken 100% seriously for some reason. The Burton Batman films were also fuckin fantastic. And the absolute corniness that is Batman and Robin, I mean come on. How is Arnold as Mr Freeze not hilarious, they felt like actual comic book movies
Not everything is serious these days...look at how much comic relief is found in the MCU. Batman forever was tolerable in its day but still a pretty subpar movie. Batman and Robin was just awful.
@@joeberger3441 I get what you mean. I just find most of the comedy in the MCU movies pretty lame. Don't get me wrong, there are some hilarious and great moments in those movies, but once I watch them once I'm kinda done with them
My thoughts exactly!!
Tommy Lee Jones was furious because he couldn’t steal the spotlight from Jim Carrey. In every other film he made, his chewing the scenery brought all eyes to him. There’s no way you can do that with Carrey. Jones hated that. Without the attention he wanted, he had to blame someone.
*Carrey
" In every other film he made, his chewing the scenery brought all eyes to him"
What are you talking about? None of TLJ's iconic roles are "scenery chewing" , he's more on the serious/brooding side.
He should have played it like Jeff Bridges did in Dumb and Dumber. Bridges knew he couldn't top Carrey, so he just played off of him. It's the only way to succeed.
@@cowetascore8476 - That's Jeff Daniels, not Jeff Bridges.
I see, because TLJ is known to be a dick sometimes. I only liked him because of this movie, and Volcano. I also watched The Fugitive and U.S. Marshals, so I'm looking forward to watch Under Siege where TLJ is also the bad guy.
holy crap! Dumb & Dumber, Ace Ventura, and The Mask were all done in one year? That's nuts.
To be fair. Batman Returns is a deeply weird, disturbing and sexy film (sometimes all at once). Like it legit scared me at a child, so I don't blame WB for trying something more goofy and lighthearted, but gosh dang they corrected too hard.
Batman isn't supposed to be for kids idiot. The movie was mature, with deep themes and for smart people. I blame WB for trying to make it for dumb kids like you. Why were you even watching it as a child lol.
I'm really happy Jim Carry is in Sonic, I don't think anybody could do Dr. Robotnic like he can.
The scene from the interview where Jim Carrey breaks down The Riddler is exactly why he was the only one they could possibly cast as Robotnik. Jim Carrey can take three issues of a comic and half a joke from a episode of Superfriends and turn it into a holistic set of character motivations and methods.
Ironic that Carey's role in The Mask provided the "family-friendly" inspiration the studio was looking for, considering that The Mask comics on which the movie was based were extremely NOT for kids.
The Mask comic was everything Estes Kefauver hated about comic books
This film is full of moments that are just wonderful in the goofiest sense of the word! From the cop that screams “Oh no! It’s… boiling acid!” - because regular acid just isn’t villainous enough, to the scene where Robin shows off his kung-fu skills by… wringing out his wet laundry in front of Alfred. Damn!…*leaves comments to find my copy of Batman Forever*
He was a star from the time he hit the screen and In living color had 5 incredible seasons…
On paper, Tommy Lee Jones sounds like a perfect casting for two face. In execution, he tried so hard to overcompensate against Carrey, he just played a discount Joker, and a bad one at that
He was one of the best parts of BF. And Val Kilmer was good as Bruce Wayne.
I watched both the Tim Burton batman, and The Mask when I was around 5yo. The mask freaked me out way more. The green skin, odd proportions etc so much body horror
Val Kilmer was a good Batman. Would of been even better if he could do more of what he wanted
Another thing too that I just noticed, as The Riddler was obsessed with Bruce in the film, he even started dressing and wearing his hair like him while in his public persona. Never put that together until now.
Jim Carrey even had Val Kilmer’s mole which made me laugh pretty hard lol! But, same! I didn’t notice that either!
Lol. Seeing all the love for Carrey's Riddler is so weird to me.... I remember him ruining it for me as a 7 year old kid. He was just a weirdo who sounded weird, phrased his sentences weird, chose weird words, and moved weird.
Plus the bright red hair, and the tight green suit looked awful. Like there's all these intricate details on every other character, then his was just a leotard.
Great film that it was aside, if a movie says "PG-13" and you let your young child watch it, it's YOUR fault, not Hollywood's.
I'm old enough to remember, and I grew up in a strict Christian atmosphere. I don't remember any major controversy about Batman Returns. Also, I loved Frank Gorsham's Riddler, and I loved Jim Carrey's movies at the time. I still remember thinking that his Riddler was just too much and nothing we hadn't seen from him a million times before.
Yeah I've ALWAYS had a fondness for Batman Forever and it's in large part to Jim Carrey's performance. I must have seen that movie like 3 or 4 times in the theater and my grandparents took me to McDonalds right after. I guess we never got those mugs though. But still a great memory to look back on.
Ironically, the original Mask comic was quite violent, and was toned downed considerably in the film version. It was a smaller press, black and white book published by Dark Horse Comics. While it still had the "looney tunes" styling.. it was the blend with gore that made the book develop a cult following. The gore was erased from the film version.
I was 12 when Batman Returns came out and I loved it. I thought it was absolutely brilliant! Batman Forever not so much. Love Jim
“Ohhh it’s the claw” officially taking the piss lmao I’m dead 😂😂😂
I think it's a pure shame we never saw Carrey as the Joker.
We may still.
Nor sure. He's funny, he's insane, but can he be psycho?
I came to post this EXACT message.
@@erbicus cable guy is a good example and not to mention his great serious roles, comedic actors tend to give the best performances
@@erbicus He is one.
Jim’s riddler was unforgettable. Meanwhile I already forgot the riddler was in the new Batman and he’s the main antagonist lol
Ironically the comic version of The Mask is way darker and more violent than the movie
The kid read the script quite enthusiastically, on the promise that if he delivered his lines well he would get his barbie dolls back.
what’s crazy is there hasn’t been another jim carry level guy.
Thats because hes the goat. Which is why I let him tell me how to vote
I would argue Bill Hader has a lot of overlapping talent with Jim Carrey. He doesn't quite have the same ability to rubber face into any impression, but he's a more talented comedy writer and (I would argue) a more rounded actor.
The reason we haven't seen another comedian like Jim Carrey rise to the same level of popularity is because his style of comedy just isn't as popular today as if it was in the 90's
Him and Charlie Chaplin are on a level of their own. As physical comedians they're unrivaled.
*Carrey
@@Ottophil wut
One of my many heroes. He is beasting as robotnic. Will go down as amazing also. I think he hasn't peaked yet
Geez even at 8 or 9 year old I enjoyed the heck out of violent dark movies with practical or gruesome effects. It made me appreciate them more as an adult.
I watched Batman Returns almost religiously as a kid. Not once was I ever scared or felt unnerved by anything I saw. Hell whenever I’m talking Batman and the Penguin comes up in conversation. Danny is the only person I think of AS the Penguin. He made such an impact for me. The movie was fantastic.
Batman Forever gets unfairly crapped on.
Is it an Oscar worthy film? Probably not.
Is it a lot of fun each time you watch it? Yes!
I don't disagree, but considering the shift from the previous movies, it just stood out too much. And the 4th movie is an atrocity against humanity.
One thing I would like to add because of how you said there was barely any Riddler before Batman Forever, you forgot about Batman the Animated Series Riddler that showed up in 1992. I saw you had a picture of him but didn't really talk about him. The voice actor for him did a great job i think and is what got me into the character of the Riddler whitch made him probably number 3 of batman villans for me behind Joker and Mr. Freeze. So that at that point had me ready for the movie Batman Forever 3 years later when Jim Carey was him and of course enjoyed him in that role also.
Interesting take, but for me, coming from the Riddler's portrayal in The Animated Series, I hated Carey's Riddler even though I loved his output up to that point.
I watched the 1992 Batman as a 4 year old and fell in love, sooo...
"Unsanctioned buffoonery" as said by Tommy Lee Jones. The same guy who was in Blown Away doing a "hartity tar ti tar" Irish accent and acting like a madman. Probably a more ridiculous performance considering the riddler required baffoonery
Jim Carrey acted like Jim Carrey, meaning he mugged wildly as the Riddler. That's the screenwriter and director's fault for not trying to define any of the characters in Batman Forever. Carrey can be an effective actor as witnessed in movies like The Majestic, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and other like movies. However, Carrey also goes full Grinch and Ace Ventura and this is the path he took with the Riddler most likely because the material and direction opted to go full comic book rather than give any of the characters depth.
Batman Forever was one of the best Batman movies. It was an intentional nod at the Adam West series done right. Fast paced, beautiful lighting with great action camera-work and effective use of an excellent soundtrack, peppered with smart nods to other genre films, it came together perfectly like some warped, modern-day Wizard of Oz. It also doesn't outstay its welcome, not being as bloated as the other installments. That said, though, Two-Face was NOT the villain to use for a film like this. Haven't seen The Batman yet, but, so far, my top 3 are '89 Batman with Keaton, Dark Knight with Bale/Ledger, and this one.
"Batman? Batman, you say? Coming for you? Hoo hoo hoo! I'm counting on it!"
Best line in any movie ever made.. 🤣🤣🤣
PG13 movie... 10 year old critic.. Like do they even understand what PG13 means?
What do you want to bet those are the same type of parents who took their kids to see Deadpool because comic book movies are for kids?
PG13 means kids under 13 can watch with Adult Supervision
@@travisbickle4360 Not entirely. It is warning parents that the movie might not be appropriate for those under 13. That is distinctly different than just saying "under 13 can watch with supervision"
I think Tommy Lee Jones did what was asked of him, and did it very well. Jim and Tommy Lee had great chemistry, and were definitely the best part of this movie.
what have IGN done to our lovely Cinefix?!?! this is crap
I was batman for Halloween when I was 5. This came out when I was 6 and promptly went as Jim Carreys Riddler the next year. Wasn't even ashamed, I fucking love Batman Forever. Such a special spot in my childhood
Frikin loved Danny devito as the penguin that's why no other batman movies has made one because you can't top that, he literally ate a raw fish and some poor dudes nose.
In its always sunny in Philedelphia Devito sometimes channels his penguin role
you know, people say he was too much like the joker and yet i dont see it.
i see a geek that's also a supervillain having a joygasm.
i kinda see him more as a demented game show host. which, actually fits him quite well.
I agree that Jim Carrey is probably one of the most amazing things to come out of Hollywood in his era, but I don't think it's really fair to trash Tommy Lee Jones in this one. I would be willing to put forth the argument that Jones giving Two-Face a more serious and stable take really gave a powerful juxtaposition for Carrey's Riddler to shine. Much like Two-Face's own motif, like having the lair that was split down the middle with darkness and light represented on the either side, the Riddler was the other side of the coin for Two-Face. I can't imagine a movie that utilizes both the Riddler and the Joker for example. As for Jones lack of added subtleties and making the role his own, I don't know that Harvey Dent really leaves a whole lot of room for that. Even in the Dark Knight trilogy, one of the more forgettable roles was Harvey Dent, and he was front and center for most of the second movie. I think it's just the nature of putting Harvey Dent on screen with the more amusing antics of characters like the Riddler and Joker that keeps the character from having nearly as much of a chance to shine. Jim Carrey is brilliant, no doubt or debate about that, but without Jones giving exactly the performance that he did, I don't think we'd be able to appreciate Jim Carrey's Riddler nearly as much.
Fantastic commentary on an informative collection of clips. Well edited, too!
I didnt like Batman Forever when I first saw it because like many others the tonal shift from the first films was just too jarring, but while Id never argue it was a good film even now, having seen it several more times it is definitely one of the most watchable Batman films. I.e. I never go out of my way to see it, but when I do catch it Im never bored.
Its just very hard to take your eyes off the over the top absurdity of it all, with Carey being a highlight of the madness. It kind of captures the feel of many of the silly silver age comics that were ridiculous yet not quite the parody that the 60s Batman show would master.
I will say though that Tommy Lee Jones gets a little to much flack. (Regarding his performance in the film, Im not going to judge if the guy is an arsehole in real life.)
No, he obviously cant compete with Carey, but then I dont think thats necessary or even desired. and while Id love to see a Batman film largely focused on Dent that captures all the nuance of the character* (Though itd have to tread veeery carefully around the mental illness angle of it all.) in this kind of Schumacher film? Its clearly not the best time to dive in to a complex psychoanalysis.
He chews up the scenery, fits in to the madness well, and acts as a pretty good foil for Carey to bounce off, even if he was hating the whole experience behind the scenes.
*I think DC films have a big gap around the not so clearly villainous villains. Harley Quinn has done okay, though probably because the Joker was a bit of a garbage fire I dont think they dug in to her abusive relationship at all as well as they could have. The animated series version of Mr Freeze should absolutely get a film, and while Dent was used well by Nolan I think you could do something much deeper with him. (Maybe even in a style like the recent Joker film.) Though Im not sure if Hollywood is hugely interested in villains that may end in sad contemplation rather than something more bombastic.
"Some parents think that this Pg13 movie is being inappropriately marketed towards kids, so we sent a 10 year old to watch it."
I love Jim Carrey. He was such a huge part of my childhood. Him being the biggest actor in Hollywood for a stretch and being Canadian was so cool to me. That being said, he is no where near the actor Tommy Lee Jones is. I would love to see him make some more comedies, though he has become quite the dramatic actor.
He was a big part of my childhood also and I’m American from watching him in in living color ace Ventura the mask Batman forever dumb and dummer I still love him as an actor
Jim carey was amazingly hilarious In Living Color. And then the Mask and Dumb and Dumber and Ace Ventura .my childhood.
'...Schumacher probably doesn't even know how to ask for it...'
great insight
Jim Carrey was the only thing interesting or remotely entertaining about that movie. Tommy Lee Jones fell flat and was horribly miscast, Uma was just dreadful, and set and costume design was atrocious. Schumacher crippled the franchise's momentum.
We actually still use those damn mugs to this day 😂
I genuinely love Batman Forever. The damning flaw is Tommy Lee Jones trying to out Jim Carrey Jim Carrey. Everything else about the movie is perfectly solid, and it strikes a balance between the bat and the Bruce that no other movie has since. (I haven't seen The Batman yet, so please don't spoil it)
Batman forever will always hold a special place in my heart. It was a favorite of my little brother and mine.
... did you just use the word "beta" like it's an actual thing that actually exists? the writers of this channel are on a thin line here.
Switched off the video right there.
"While Batman Returns is undoubtedly one of the best Batman movies ever"... lol you smokin that high grade.
For the thousands of kids who probably loved the movie, they found this one kid to represent all kids? Everything wrong with the media and modern Social Media in one clip
I was 6 when I watched Batman Returns. I had weeks of nightmares. I love that movie! Also, my parents couldn't care less if the movie was violent or not lol.
Lose 80% of Chris O'Donnel,
20% of Jim's "Buffoonery"
15% of Harvey &
......you've got a great fucking movie!!
I used to watch Batman Returns all the time as a kid and not once did I ever think of it too violent or think about Penguin’s goop. I had no idea that was a controversy at all.
i love that comparison of TLJ's villain performance to Cary Elwes's character attempting to do Carrey's trademark "the claw" kiddie gimmick in Liar Liar...
🤣🤣
Grew up watching this, my Stepbrother was a fan of Jim Carrey after we watched cable guy and he would play the vhs of it and batman forever over and over all the time. He loves to rewind to those riddler parts and recite those quotes. The theme for Batman Forever still bombs too, having chills everytime i hear it
Dontcha just love how the cartoons got just a line and a couple clips from Super Friends? Never mind that Batman: The Animated Series got its own theatrical film the same summer as Batman Forever, and Siskel & Ebert loved the animated film
I am almost 37 and I still love Batman forever and Batman&Robin