Being somewhat hidden has its advantages, though. My audience may not be large, but it's supportive and positive. A large audience can bring with it the dark side of RUclips.
@@DietterichLabs I'm a professional contrabassoonist who lives in Arkansas. If money was the primary (or secondary... or tertiary...) motivation in my life, I royally messed up :-)
@@Subcontrabassoon Nice job for having other priorities. I am a physics major in Minnesota and probably also won't make much money. This unfortunately means that I can't fund your subcontrabasson project, but at least I can scare people with complicated equations.
I have played the original of this 3D design in the Bate Collection at Oxford, and it plays much better than this, although not as good as a more refined 'real' serpent. There are a number of problems with it, such as inner bore surface too smooth (the serpent depends somewhat on the irregularity of a wooden construction), and more significantly, it does not have sufficient undercutting of the finger/vent holes. But then, I have a lot of experience playing serpent, and Richard Bobo here is apparently new to the instrument.
@@youtuuba the smooth bore bit is very interesting, since 3d prints are infamously rough, and i thought bores should be as smooth as possible as a rule, since most of the energy put into the instrument is lost to wall friction.
You should give a look at the "piffero delle quattro province", it's a folk oboe from northern Italy with a rather peculiar, aggressive and lyrical sound. It's also unique in having double reed mouthpieces instead of regular bocals. You can find schematics from museums online. These instruments were originally carved with specially shaped scraper blades barely poking out of the profile of a wooden cone, and they're now made with lathes, so making one with a 3d printer wouldn't be out of this world :)
This 3D instrument design came out of a joint project with the Bate Collection in Oxford. It can be somewhat pricey to print one. There is another option to allow interested people to try playing a serpent, and that is my design (rather old now) that I call the "Squarpent". Plans can be found at serpent website dot com (remove the spaces). The Bate also has fund workshop(s) where people build the Squarpent, and it works quite well. It is inexpensive and can be built in a weekend for about $40 work of plywood and hardware store items and a few hand tools.
Haha you got me at the second excerpt there, I saw you take a breath and I was genuinely prepared for anything that’s gonna come out, and then you nope’d outta there.
Lol. Well, it was worth a try, I suppose! I always found the serpent to be a pretty cool instrument, sounding kind of like a brassy bassoon from what little I've heard.
I wanted to switch to contrabassoon in my high school band and I’m worried about not having enough grade 5 music to play for it to be viable enough, do you know of any?
The way high school band treats auxiliary instruments is at odds with the way they're treated in college and in professional settings. In high school, a clarinet player might "switch" to bass clarinet and never touch clarinet again through the end of their senior year. But in college, a clarinet player doesn't "switch", they "add" bass clarinet (and/or Eb, alto, contra, etc) to their clarinet skills. This shift is particularly difficult for high school bass clarinet players who suddenly find themselves required to spend the large majority of their practice time on clarinet. This is because virtually all professional "bass clarinet" jobs are actually "clarinet/bass clarinet" jobs and anyone who can't play both instruments to a high standard won't be considered. The situation is the same for contrabassoon (with the notable exception that contrabassoon is VERY rare in high school). So, if your school is lucky enough to have a contrabassoon, learning to play it can be great experience for college. But don't think of it as "switching", but rather "adding". You could play contrabassoon on the pieces that have a part for it (or share it among the other members of your section), and return to bassoon for the pieces that don't. The absolute worst thing you could do if you wanted to become a professional contrabassoonist would be to neglect your bassoon playing. However, if your school doesn't have a contrabassoon and you were considering buying one, my suggestion would be to wait until college or later, and focus your finances on bassoon/reedmaking tools/lessons/etc.
Richard Bobo thank you, I do actually have a lot of experience with switching between instruments, I play bassoon, French horn, trumpet, and bari sax and I have to practice all of them which is hard but I enjoy it, so this concept is not very new to me, my teacher knows that I can easily master a new instrument but he is just worried of a lack of music for me to play and that is really the reason he is not immediately saying yes
@@rilke1791 Ahh, okay. Sorry, sometimes when I'm answering questions from people I don't know I feel it's better to err on the side of telling someone something they already know (and risking coming across as obnoxious) than it would be to assume they know and risk someone leaving with an incomplete idea. In short, I'm afraid my knowledge of advanced wind band repertoire is fairly limited. The few times I played contrabassoon in wind ensemble, the parts seemed mostly disposable.
Richard Bobo it’s totally fine, I think it is best for me to focus on grades and the instruments I play now and wait until I am more free and can have more control.
There is this RUclips Named Jared de Leon. He is doing a project where he is trying to build an Octocontrabass clarinet. It would be cool to see that vs the subcontrabassoon
I would really like to see the two of them collaborate and work on their projects together. I’m sure progress would be made much quicker on both sides if they worked together some how.
Indeed I do! Just make certain you read the material at the beginning of the chart about the limitations of the chart. me.subcontrabassoon.com/BoboCbsn1.pdf
I have to admit, your comment made me chuckle. Sometimes I forget that my first video was a TF2 glitch video. Anyway, though I still follow TF2 news (in the vain hopes for more MVM content) this channel has transitioned fully to contrabassoon-related shenanigans. So in the unlikely event I did decide to make more TF2 content, I'd probably use a second channel. Thankfully, there are still some good TF2 RUclips content creators left to enjoy!
@@Subcontrabassoon Hector Berlioz actually wanted the ghastly tone of an amateur serpent player when he wrote this, so you've already mastered the part.
@@marinesandpiper I did download the files some time ago and still have them, I could share them with you if you want (assuming there's no issues with that, but considering they were free to download it should be fine)
The big issue is that the instrument is so inherently out-of-tune that you need to use a less-than-perfect embouchure just to get the individual notes in the vicinity of the right pitch. It would be like trying to play a B major scale on trumpet while fingering a C major scale; not impossible, but tone quality and dynamic range would suffer greatly. If you read historic accounts of the serpent, I don't believe this issue is unique to the 3D-printed model.
"NOPE." *puts instrument away forever*
I swear this guy is like some hidden gem on RUclips
Being somewhat hidden has its advantages, though. My audience may not be large, but it's supportive and positive. A large audience can bring with it the dark side of RUclips.
Richard Bobo yea it’s pretty refreshing to see such a unique and positive community safe from all the drama that can come about on RUclips
@@Subcontrabassoon It sucks being paid so little, though.
@@DietterichLabs I'm a professional contrabassoonist who lives in Arkansas. If money was the primary (or secondary... or tertiary...) motivation in my life, I royally messed up :-)
@@Subcontrabassoon Nice job for having other priorities. I am a physics major in Minnesota and probably also won't make much money. This unfortunately means that I can't fund your subcontrabasson project, but at least I can scare people with complicated equations.
Up next: 3D printed Ophicleide
Haha, considering how long that would take to design, it would be cheaper just to buy one of the Wessex ones.
@Richard Bobo How about a 3D printed Hyperoctosubcontrabassoon
3d printed music
Hey Jared, when your done with the octocontrabass clarinet and Richard is done with the subcontrabassoon, y’all should do a duet
Just started to print one of these!
Printed one off some time ago and I can say with great certainty, this is as good as the sounds gets.
Patrick Wilbert would beg to differ.
I have played the original of this 3D design in the Bate Collection at Oxford, and it plays much better than this, although not as good as a more refined 'real' serpent. There are a number of problems with it, such as inner bore surface too smooth (the serpent depends somewhat on the irregularity of a wooden construction), and more significantly, it does not have sufficient undercutting of the finger/vent holes. But then, I have a lot of experience playing serpent, and Richard Bobo here is apparently new to the instrument.
Wibert is gonna blow your mind my dude.
@@youtuuba the smooth bore bit is very interesting, since 3d prints are infamously rough, and i thought bores should be as smooth as possible as a rule, since most of the energy put into the instrument is lost to wall friction.
@@calinguga , the bit about energy being lost to bore friction is, I have been told by experts, not accurate.
Put the giga reed on it!
WE NEED TO SEE THIS
Seeing the serpent being a very old instrument like 16th century being recreated by modern tech shows how much music has evolved
Needs a sub-contra-version
Subcontrabasson progress???
Subcontrabasserpent
No, it is just a normal bass serpent
You should give a look at the "piffero delle quattro province", it's a folk oboe from northern Italy with a rather peculiar, aggressive and lyrical sound. It's also unique in having double reed mouthpieces instead of regular bocals. You can find schematics from museums online. These instruments were originally carved with specially shaped scraper blades barely poking out of the profile of a wooden cone, and they're now made with lathes, so making one with a 3d printer wouldn't be out of this world :)
It sounds like a wet towel. But it kinda works. I always thought the serpent was the coolest looking instrument. I’ld love to try one!
It locks into pitches about as well as a wet towel, too.
This 3D instrument design came out of a joint project with the Bate Collection in Oxford. It can be somewhat pricey to print one. There is another option to allow interested people to try playing a serpent, and that is my design (rather old now) that I call the "Squarpent". Plans can be found at serpent website dot com (remove the spaces). The Bate also has fund workshop(s) where people build the Squarpent, and it works quite well. It is inexpensive and can be built in a weekend for about $40 work of plywood and hardware store items and a few hand tools.
Perhaps there were design flaws, like the air leak. Here is a quality recording of the instrument: ruclips.net/video/t9mB72TC8Kw/видео.html
Haha you got me at the second excerpt there, I saw you take a breath and I was genuinely prepared for anything that’s gonna come out, and then you nope’d outta there.
What type of instrument is this?
Serpant; brass I think (although it was usually wood). Here's a professional recording ruclips.net/video/t9mB72TC8Kw/видео.html
this was also my experience with a cornetto I 3d printed.
Awesome! Did you find a template for the tone holes, or did you calculate them yourself? I'm hoping to make something myself!
Are you from the family of Roger Bobo, great tubist, who taught tuba in Lyon, France?
Yves, from Douai, France
this reminds of that part in symphony fantastique in the 5th movement
Indeed, it is that part. Though now played on two tubas, it was originally written for one serpent and one ophicleide
@@Subcontrabassoon i knew it sounded familiar! i just went to the cleveland orchestras performance of that piece yesterday!
sacrilegious
Lol. Well, it was worth a try, I suppose! I always found the serpent to be a pretty cool instrument, sounding kind of like a brassy bassoon from what little I've heard.
Tbh I want a 3d printed serpent that thing looks fun
Its like that is transposed?
I wanted to switch to contrabassoon in my high school band and I’m worried about not having enough grade 5 music to play for it to be viable enough, do you know of any?
The way high school band treats auxiliary instruments is at odds with the way they're treated in college and in professional settings. In high school, a clarinet player might "switch" to bass clarinet and never touch clarinet again through the end of their senior year. But in college, a clarinet player doesn't "switch", they "add" bass clarinet (and/or Eb, alto, contra, etc) to their clarinet skills. This shift is particularly difficult for high school bass clarinet players who suddenly find themselves required to spend the large majority of their practice time on clarinet. This is because virtually all professional "bass clarinet" jobs are actually "clarinet/bass clarinet" jobs and anyone who can't play both instruments to a high standard won't be considered. The situation is the same for contrabassoon (with the notable exception that contrabassoon is VERY rare in high school). So, if your school is lucky enough to have a contrabassoon, learning to play it can be great experience for college. But don't think of it as "switching", but rather "adding". You could play contrabassoon on the pieces that have a part for it (or share it among the other members of your section), and return to bassoon for the pieces that don't. The absolute worst thing you could do if you wanted to become a professional contrabassoonist would be to neglect your bassoon playing. However, if your school doesn't have a contrabassoon and you were considering buying one, my suggestion would be to wait until college or later, and focus your finances on bassoon/reedmaking tools/lessons/etc.
Richard Bobo thank you, I do actually have a lot of experience with switching between instruments, I play bassoon, French horn, trumpet, and bari sax and I have to practice all of them which is hard but I enjoy it, so this concept is not very new to me, my teacher knows that I can easily master a new instrument but he is just worried of a lack of music for me to play and that is really the reason he is not immediately saying yes
@@rilke1791 Ahh, okay. Sorry, sometimes when I'm answering questions from people I don't know I feel it's better to err on the side of telling someone something they already know (and risking coming across as obnoxious) than it would be to assume they know and risk someone leaving with an incomplete idea. In short, I'm afraid my knowledge of advanced wind band repertoire is fairly limited. The few times I played contrabassoon in wind ensemble, the parts seemed mostly disposable.
Richard Bobo it’s totally fine, I think it is best for me to focus on grades and the instruments I play now and wait until I am more free and can have more control.
I really wa t to print my own serpent now
There is this RUclips Named Jared de Leon. He is doing a project where he is trying to build an Octocontrabass clarinet. It would be cool to see that vs the subcontrabassoon
I would really like to see the two of them collaborate and work on their projects together. I’m sure progress would be made much quicker on both sides if they worked together some how.
They know each other, Jared is present on a lot of this channel's streams
LMFAOOO "nope"
Next. 3D printed orchestra
The last few seconds is a mood
About the subcontrabassoon what are you going to do for a case for the instrument?
Love it.
This has clarinet notes!
New farthorn sounds amazing 👍.
this guy here what a badass
Do have a public contrabassoon fingering chart I can use?
Indeed I do! Just make certain you read the material at the beginning of the chart about the limitations of the chart. me.subcontrabassoon.com/BoboCbsn1.pdf
Youre back finally
When tf2 content
I have to admit, your comment made me chuckle. Sometimes I forget that my first video was a TF2 glitch video. Anyway, though I still follow TF2 news (in the vain hopes for more MVM content) this channel has transitioned fully to contrabassoon-related shenanigans. So in the unlikely event I did decide to make more TF2 content, I'd probably use a second channel. Thankfully, there are still some good TF2 RUclips content creators left to enjoy!
@@Subcontrabassoon thanks for fast response:^)
nooo i actually want to hear that
You'll need to give me a few years to practice
@@Subcontrabassoon Hector Berlioz actually wanted the ghastly tone of an amateur serpent player when he wrote this, so you've already mastered the part.
nice
I said make subcontrabassoon videos and help Mr. Incredible build the hyperoctosubcontrabassoon!
@Sofia Bello Don’t demand him, or else he will block all your comments on the channel in general.
That thing will be like 100 feet long and cost a fortune to produce.
a fartophone
Is there .STL files for this?
You can find the files here:
www.bate.ox.ac.uk/serpent.html
@@alessandroculatti1613 Did they take the page down? I just tried the link and "Page not found" comes up.
@@marinesandpiper it's giving the same error to me, it's seems like they took it down unfortunately.
@@marinesandpiper I did download the files some time ago and still have them, I could share them with you if you want (assuming there's no issues with that, but considering they were free to download it should be fine)
@@alessandroculatti1613 That would be amazing! Yes, please, and thank you!!!
marinesandpiper@yahoo.com
“Nope”
MORE AIR
It’s 3D printed, it probably leaks a lot
The big issue is that the instrument is so inherently out-of-tune that you need to use a less-than-perfect embouchure just to get the individual notes in the vicinity of the right pitch. It would be like trying to play a B major scale on trumpet while fingering a C major scale; not impossible, but tone quality and dynamic range would suffer greatly. If you read historic accounts of the serpent, I don't believe this issue is unique to the 3D-printed model.
@@Subcontrabassoon I've read that the serpent (any serpent, not just a 3D printed one) requires you to basically use a false tone for every note.
@@Finetales Yes; it feels more like a brass buzzing exercise than anything else.
Here is a quality recording of the instrument: ruclips.net/video/t9mB72TC8Kw/видео.html
lol
ITS HIDEOUS !!
Sounds wack
he played it wack, and there was an air leak. Here is a quality recording of the instrument: ruclips.net/video/t9mB72TC8Kw/видео.html
What kind of instrument is this?
It's called a serpent.