Son of FLDS “Prophet” Reveals Terrors of Living Through Texas Raid
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- With immense pressure being one of the sons of the FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs, Ammon would do anything to earn the approval of his father. When he was finally “worthy enough” to be called to the holy land (YFZ Ranch in Texas), he was worked up to 22 hours per day doing hard labor for the church. Assuming Warren truly spoke for God, when he prophesied that the government wanted to come take away the chiIdren, the people were only further convinced he was a prophet considering the 300 police who did just that. Ammon explains how the raid was traumatic for all involved and what it was that finally opened his eyes to who his father really was.
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Chapter Marks
00:01:11:05 Intro
00:03:43:05 Ammon's chiIdhood as Warren Jeffs' son
00:05:04:21 Warren marries his father, Rulon Jeffs’ wives after dies
00:06:04:08 How many chiIdren did Warren have?
00:06:45:12 Warren becomes prophet during Ammon's chiIdhood
00:07:37:16 FLDS prophet immortality
00:09:57:11 Crisis after Rulon's passing
00:10:58:20 Ammon's father becomes prophet
00:12:37:08 Warren implements changes
00:14:07:18 Warren stops major ordinances
00:15:16:20 FLDS members start to disappear
00:17:43:04 Ammon's mom's health declines
00:22:42:05 Ammon is called to move to the Texas Ranch
00:26:45:08 Ammon's job on the Ranch
00:27:49:05 Warren orders a large compound to be built
00:29:27:18 Were Warren's chiIdren treated differently on the Ranch?
00:31:26:10 Religious pun*shments and atonement
00:34:35:11 Was Warren Jeffs' just putting on a show?
00:36:46:23 Warren Jeffs' is caught by law enforcement
00:38:38:06 The Texas Raid
00:39:20:20 Allegations of ab*se from a resident at the Ranch
00:41:30:05 Who called CPS?
00:43:40:07 The Raid in a chiId's point of view
00:47:17:04 Only those worthy enough can be on temple grounds
00:49:18:18 Evidence found
00:50:32:04 After the raid
00:51:49:19 Ammon in charge at the boys camp
00:53:05:14 Living conditions at the boys camp
00:54:44:02 Birthday at the boys camp
00:56:20:14 Sneaking off the boys camp at night
00:57:37:17 Going back to the FLDS ranch in Texas
00:59:15:13 Communication with Warren in the months after the raid
01:00:00:18 New requirements and revelations from Warren while in prison
01:03:36:22 Warren's information control from prison
01:08:00:00 Becoming an apostate
01:09:37:00 Warren starts meetings again
01:10:30:10 Warren excludes Ammon and most members from the meetings
01:11:49:06 Ammon's sisters leave
01:12:41:11 Warren's most recent revelations
01:14:50:19 Ammon's youngest sister visits apostate family members
01:17:53:07 TW: SA
01:19:03:13 Ammon learns the truth
01:20:53:12 TW: CSA
01:23:44:08 How Ammon is doing now
01:28:57:20 Linda, listen!
01:30:53:02 Outro
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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If there's one thing I've learned from these interviews and books - its that the FLDS is full of some really wonderful people who deserve the best life has to offer. I hope they take a chance on us in the "outside" world. Please be kind to them every chance you get.
Absolutely agree
RIP Roy Jeffs, another son of Warren, who took his own life
❤️
The freedom this man must feel now must be indescribable.
Still far too deeply programmed and robotic to be free . AI clones . The gene pool is ffff w all of them ….and these are ones who have supposedly seen the scam, yet they still seem so entrapped at a core level .
I’ve watched all the interviews Ammon has given over the past few weeks - he has such quiet steadfastness- I’m glad he found his way out and chose happiness
🙄…. Very damaged and still entrapped in the brainwashing . Just watched Ada and she displays exactly same robotic, AI , formulaic , almost ‘ drugged ‘ like state of looking and talking . The DNA is deeply mixed up
I absolutely loved “you can choose, and God won’t dump you”!
If he has 78 wives but children with only 17 of them, that means 61 women who are kept from having children, unless they leave. Knowing that childbearing is essential to salvation for women in FLDS, this must be a real struggle for so many of those women!
Yes exactly! See our previous two interviews with his 13th wife
Yes I saw both of your videos with her :-) So great to hear the voices of those who have escaped the FLDS. You are doing great work in giving them a platform and I love your balance of really listening and giving your guests a chance to speak yet keeping the interview moving at the same time.
I also watched the interview with Ada Marie and didn't realize so many of his wives were not allowed to have children. It must have been such a horrible feeling.
Remember, many of these wives may have been past childbearing age since they were originally his father's wives.
I’ve had to interact with CPS on behalf of a child many years ago. Their caseworker quit and because they weren’t reassigned the abuse began again. Our system needs an overhaul.
Thank you Ammon for sharing your story with us. When I got towards the end and realized you had only gotten out of the church a few years ago I was shocked. I thought you had been out much longer. I am so impressed with how you are handling everything being so new to the "worldly" world. Your calm and steadfast demeanor hardly betrays the depth of the emotional pain and turmoil it surely must bring to discuss such horrible events in your life, but please know your words and actions now are doing so much good for the world, both for those who have never been involved in religion (like myself) and for those who are still trapped in Warren Jeffs' twisted reality.
Thank you for being a ray of light emerging from such darkness, and I wish you all the happiness in the world as you embark on your new journey of freedom. You are a good man and an inspiration 💜
What a wonderful comment!
As a native Utahn that was never raised in the church, these stories are powerful and need to be told ❤❤
Oh I love hearing his talk. So proud for him and happy for him. He went through so much to become the man he is
I just love how the innate goodness that Warren used to manipulate these people, was never broken.
This was a great interview and it’s a joy to watch Ammon’s confidence grow each time I’ve heard him speak. He’s such an inspiration in so many ways. He’s helping far more people than I think he probably realises.
A great interview Shelise, you have a great way of relaxing your guests and making them feel comfortable 💞
Thank you, Autumn!❤️
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
That sweet, sweet man! He suffered so much for no reason! Also the rest of them... It is such a complex topic and I hope he truly lives a happily ever after ending with his wife
The people who leave and speak seem to be of a certain calibre. So many are strong, intelligent, and courageous beyond measure.
He had the best 'Linda, Listen' moment ever. Best wishes to him and his wife and their baby for a happy, free future. :)
I’m so glad he has companionship in such a difficult journey. Few people will fully understand. I’m glad they have one another and wishing them love and light for their future.
Ammon is a wonderful person. Having read his memoir, wishing him only the very best.
Thank you Ammon for speaking out! I am so sorry you went through that, but so glad you found someone who loves you and you love. I wish you all the happiness in the world.
Another great interview! Shelise is a rockstar!
Aww thanks!🥰🙌
I loved "Let the chains fall off" That statement says everything.
Ammon is such a trooper along with his sister. I watched his other interview with good simple living's podcast. The one's who do leave need a trauma therapist.
What a creepy monster to treat people this way. I hope all of these children will overcome and be well. 😢
For someone so newly out and presumably in the most culty part of it, he's doing so well. Having family on the outside definitely helps
@@equatorialjourney4478 are you aware that your comments are unkind? What is your objective, in making this comment? What result do you seek?
Genuinely asking - you don’t have to answer me, obviously, and that part doesn’t even matter, but I hope you ask these questions to yourself, and see where things go from there.
@@sarahissersohn5495 I’ve answered in another comment . I don’t believe in pussy footing around the glaringly obvious , or wearing rose coloured glasses when we should be calling a spade a spade . Tough love is not unkind ….. being laudatory and ignoring facts is being unkind to future victims of inevitable new cults which will form . Sociology 101 …. evil needs to be nipped in the bud or we will see new extremist movements develop from false praise . AKA … franke/Hidebrand ; Daybell/Vallow ….all now thinking they can continue God’s work from behind bars . Legions and legions of examples of the dangers of enabling ppl who seem to mea culpa
@@sarahissersohn5495 I’ve replied but it seems I’ve been blocked . Hmmm, surprise, surprise . I guess I rest my case …. someone is controlling the narrative
What a lovely man so happy he’s found freedom
This is my second time to hear Ammon's story. It is a joy and a blessing to see goodness coming out of something so bad! You deserve your happy life, Ammon. Cheers! ❤
Congrats to you and your wife on your forthcoming baby!
1:22:12 "to try to separate him from what is GOOD" summarizes everything about this young man and his struggle. Good for him!!
Yes 🙌🏽 he got the real blessings in spite of what his father put him through and it’s a joy his father will never experience
Ammon is such an amazing man. I wish him every happiness in the world.
Thanks for sharing, sorry you had to go through this. I advise everyone to always ask questions
What an amazing man.. it is obvious that he lived in fear and control so intensely that all throughout his interview I could sense his fight with showing his own emotions, which made it all so much more wonderful to see him smile or slightly laugh on occasion… you will get there sir, because you deserve it and because against all odds you found yourself and true love also found you, may God bless you and keep you safe, you have come so far, learned so much and have grown stronger because of this, be at peace Ammon, live long and be happy, 🙏🏻❤️❤️
Wow. Ammons story is heartbreaking and im beyond words at his strength and progress. Hearing that he found his true faith, and his true love is so encouraging.
Something that just occurred to me listening to Ammon talk about the different rules that Warren implemented when he was in prison is that when a person feels out of control they will pick at any little small thing to gain a tiny morsel of control and I think that's what was happening with Warren in prison. He started implementing all these arbitrary little rules because he desperately craved being in control of anything that he could. It makes me wonder if he is OCD. I have lived with a person that has control issues/OCD and they obsess over the smallest "rules" because when they feel in control it gives them relief.
Yes and I’d say it’s a lot worse than ocd! More like npd and worse, he’s been truly evil to these innocent young men and women 😢
@@lilasfaves7846 Absolutely, terribly sad how much suffering he has inflicted on his followers. Glad to see that some of them have come out of it and are healing like Ammon.
Congratulations on your sweet, precious baby!
Thank you so giving voices to everyone in cults, or who escaped from them.
I love that pure, happy, grin when talks about his wife and expected child. It is beautiful.
It's so hard to stop listening to that voice inside your head that is the voice of the person who controlled so much of your life. This was such an inspiring story!
Amazing story. Thank you for sharing. That’s great you wrote a book. Pretty cool that you’re using your talents. 🕊️🦋👏❣️
Such a meaningful interview, I'm really felt joy when Ammon told he restructured his life and his happiness with his wife and coming kid. What a wonderful story.
To find out how big the house was go to Mike King Profiling Evil he does a tour of it, it’s now a place for people escaping FLDS to have a safe space.
That was his home in short creek which yes, is enormous. I believe the Texas homes were even bigger!
I'm so happy for you and your family, Ammon. You are finally able to enjoy your life and your journey to freedom.
❤❤❤
Your story is fascinating Ammon. I'm happy for your current life status! Congrats on your baby on the way! You are an amazing young man!
Congratulations Shelise and Jonathan on 200K+! I am eager to watch you continue to grow!
Thank you so much! 🥳❤️
Thanks for sharing Ammon, I wish the very best for you and your wife.
I remember the terrified faces in news reports of the raid. I’m so very glad that Ammon and his wife found each other and are able to make their way through the world together. I very much hope that others will find their path as well.
Thanks for sharing your experience Ammon!
I hope that it helps others!
Such a shame that the members are being so controlled and made terrified of the rest of the world that they're disconnected from even having access to information so that they can decide for themselves. But getting the info out is still something and SOME people will see it.
Thanks Shelise for helping so many people from different backgrounds share their experiences too! You're all doing important work.
I used to work in emergency mental health and thus spent a lot of time working adjacent to law enforcement and social workers in charge of removing children from the homes where suspected or confirmed abuse or neglect is occurring. Unfortunately, its almost always hard on the children, even if they really have been in extreme danger, to remove them from the only caretakers that most of them have ever known. They don't understand and they're afraid, partially because its unknown and that on its own is scary, but also because abusers have a really solid history of framing helpers as being the enemy in the eyes of their victims. Its not a perfect system and obviously errors are made but the alternative is pretty bad. I'm also a former abused child who didn't get help and I can see it from both sides for that reason. Its a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Edited to add: I'm not defending how this was handled by the authorities in Texas. Not at all. I'm just adding some insight to this practice in general. What the families of the FLDS experienced is an extreme version of something that happens every day.
Wow! Need more episodes with this guest. So many stories left to tell on starting over and finding other banished members.
Ammon, you are an inspiration. So brave, so gentle. Thank you for sharing your story. 🌼
I wish Ammon and his wife nothing but the best! So glad they are coming out in the "light".
What a lovely man - brought tears to my eyes at the end speaking of him and his wife's new found freedom. All the best to you sir x
I was grieving for him but ended up cheering! Family thought I was crazy!! Congratulations on the new baby!!!
I've watched a lot of these and that was one of my favorite Linda Listen moments! Beautiful! Amazing gifted speaker.
Great interview - congratulations that your baby will be birthed in freedom!! I will have to check out the book
But will it ? Seems like the generational trauma will be passed on to any innocent lives . A very deeply damaged young man
@@equatorialjourney4478 i have yet to meet any human being on this planet who is not carrying trauma. It falls to each one of us, to courageously and relentlessly work at processing that trauma. I would argue that cultivating a hunger to do this, is as close as any of us can get to freedom (because it’s a lifelong challenge IMO). So, I would say we are ALL damaged - the question is, how courageous are you willing to aim to be, and by that measurement, this young man is KILLIN IT!!! And so can you. One step at a time.
@@sarahissersohn5495 OF COURSE we all carry trauma. But surely the purpose of exposing these dangerous cults on platforms such as this is to ensure we call a spade a spade and not pussy foot around the blindingly obvious facts staring us in the face . Whilst I wish all cult escapees well I refuse to ostrich and ignore the elephant in the room with ppl as deeply programmed and damaged as these . Experience has shown they r not healed and r likely to adopt other forms of extremist behaviour patterns which thwart genuine healing . Then it morphs into further generational damage which affects other vulnerable gullible souls.
Recent topical cases : Ruby Franke; Jodie Hildebrandt & Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow . All products of same religion , whose skewed hyper perceptions led them into equally dogmatic dangerous trajectories of their own . On the outside they appeared ‘ normal, functioning ‘ citizens , but the damage was as deep and as extensive as these FLDS members . Like Fells , they won’t learn; they believe it’s Gods mission for them all to now be in jail so they can continue his work on others . Glorifying some of these cultee testimonials is all well and good , but let’s be honest & look at the realities . I see very deeply damaged levels of brainwashing at play and worry that deliberately bringing new babies into the maelstrom of unhealed trauma doesn’t bode well for healthy healing . For starters , it highlights that they don’t recognise their trauma , otherwise they would not bring in new life . False prophets have been around since Moses day and I see textbook fertile /fallow ground for more of the same in exposes like this show when we refuse to call it out when we see it in such podcasts
And let’s not even start on the legion of Scientol stories and now the JP Miller pastor . No remorse or awareness from any of these ppl for damage they wreak on lives .
Congratulations on your wee one Ammon! I'm so happy that you and your wife have found a place and situation in the world that makes you both happy. I wish you nothing but the best with your continued deconstruction. You're strong people.
Let’s hope the trauma doesn’t become generational for the innocent lives brought into their world . Some ppl should not become parents when their own damage is so unresolved . Terrifying ….robotic, deeply entrenched brainwashing and indoctrination is on full display and the cycle should not continue
Tragic and sick. The trauma these souls endured. My prayer is that they all get to meet Jesus for real, the kindest man who ever lived. Prayer for healing.
Thank you for believing your sisters, not siding with you biological dad, I can't call him a dad because of the evil things he's done and continues to do
It's remarkable how grounded and harmonious this young man seems, considering the kind of (koo koo) upbringing he has had, and the things he has gone through. Being sent here, being sent there, his mother being treated like shit when she had cancer, the insane harsh criticism for not finishing building projects on time (!), the emotional roller coaster of being sent away, having to come back home, only to be sent away again, I mean good grief.
Grounded ??? C’mon …..a deeply, deeply damaged brainwashed , indoctrinated, robotic mind is on full display here .
What an incredible story. Thank you for sharing. I'm happy you got out over seen you in other interviews. You're a very strong person. I hope the rest of your life has many blessings.
Congratulations on 200,000 subs! Shalise, you are one of the best podcasts and interviewer out there
I can tell that Ammon has been through so much and has come a long way. I just hope that he is continuing to get some really good therapy and that he continues to come out of his shell.
I'm glad to hear people speaking out ❤
Great interview! Ammon’s story is so fascinating. I can’t wait to read his book. The FLDS especially fascinates me. I can’t imagine living like that. Rebecca Musser (Wall) also had an amazing book , “The Witness Wore Red”. I couldn’t put it down! You should try to get her as a guest!
Not sure where to post this... but their is a clut called 7M and it is the clut/high demand religion that the new docu series dancing for/with the devil on Netflix. A RUclipsr is someone who helped with the production on the series. I know she really cares and I hope would put you in touch with people or one of the family for you to interview to bring this EVEN more to light...
She said she is trying to get an interview with them.
God Bless You Ammon & Your Precious Family & Baby👶🍼
He has such a beautiful gentle soul ❤ I wish him the happiest life with his family
Congratulations to Ammon and his wife. ❤ he deserves happiness, especially after all he’s been through
Thank you Ammon. I appreciate you sharing with us.
I love this channel
"Let the chains fall off" 💞
The manipulation they were subjected to is so similar to the isolated society of North Korea.
Great podcast. I'm grateful you do these podcasts to help others.
Congratulations on your freedom and the pregnancy, Ammon! I’m so happy for you and your wife! 🥳🥰 And I’m especially happy that your child won’t be forced to be raised in the same way you were. 🙌 You both can now enjoy childhood through the eyes and experiences of your own child ☺️
Thank you for sharing your story.
I really enjoyed this interview, so inspiring!
Appreciate the Linda listen!
Except the FLDS is the actual original church and the LDS is the break off, apostate really if you think about it.
When listening to this amazing young man, it’s clear how his father and grandfather set up their control by putting in the fear of what they KNEW could happen to free them from the lies…im amazed he’s not more raging it’s truly evil what they’ve done with their ego power control 😡😡
I wish him all the best in his new life of freedom and love. His story was so interesting to hear.
So, so cruel, I am so sorry
Unrelated to this particular video but guest tip: you should interview Naomi Wright. She is the daughter of a polygamyst christian cult leader and wrote the book Be Emboldend about her experience. There are so many parralels with the FLDS
Thanks for the suggestion!
Thank you for sharing your story Ammon. I am happy for you that you got out of the cult and are living a happy life now. ❤
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm!
Sharing over here in europe Croatia, mormons are legal "church" over here funded by our gorvenment. I came from word of faith cult, same pattern
I am so pleased this young man has found his path to and of freedom.
It's common for CPS to cut off internet access and cell phone access when they're worried a child will reach back out to their parents who are perceived to be a danger to them. Known a few kids in foster care that have had their phones taken away because they were texting their moms.
I knew some of what Ammon said because, of course, I saw his sister infiltrate one of the ranches trying to make contact with one of their sisters but I also saw some videos that Rachel did herself. But what I didn't know just BLOWS me away. I can't imagine how confusing this all was as it is, not to mention all of the manipulation coming from your own father ANNd a father you actually knew well because you were basically, one of his earlier children. So, child number 50 would probably struggle with it but not as much as someone who was there with him as he rose to power and watched that power warp him. I do have to say that I am glad you and your wife still believe in God, so many people come from these groups and reject God altogether. I don't blame them for that due to the abuse but I am still happy when I see someone who has managed to salvage their faith despite everything they went through. I rejected God for a really long time myself, so I get it but as someone who found my way back to God, it makes me happy.
Mormon "church" should speak much earlier but they are covering this. Teachings and patterns are the same. No exuse !!
Thank you !! Sharing
I would love to hear Amon’s escape story. Like when did he start thinking of leaving? How did he leave? Did they try to get him back ?
Excellent video and information
What I’ve learned from leaving an intense cult of 17 years...
1.God pulls His remnant out of every religion, every church, every lifestyle, every nation, every race, every prison, everywhere.
2. Many religions, churches, ideologies, philosophies believe THEY are the only way. Satanists, woke, Catholic, FLDS, many. And, if you aren’t on board you’re doomed.
There is ONE way and it’s neither of these. It’s not man’s way in any way.
3. Whom the Son has set free is free indeed. That means, no man decides who is free. Who is saved. Only our maker. And, He doesn’t base His Love on what man feels or believes about us.
4. God loves us far more than any of these man made rules. Hold on. Don’t let men’s narcissistic control dictate what you believe about yourself.
5. Satan is the father of lies. Everything he does is to deceive, kill and destroy us. He uses people to accomplish this. Deception of ones self magnanimousness.
Ammun, congratulations on the upcoming baby. Thank you for your honesty and I pray for every good and perfect gift from God.
Thank you for such raw and real talk about your life experience! Listening helps me feel better about my struggles in family and community, and makes me much more grateful for my freedoms and the love I grew up with. 🤓🎁
False pprophets😢
Even outsiders could see how terrible that raid was when it happened. If one male can marry dozens of women that means there are not partners for many other males. Under such a regime, the young females will be seen as valuable while the young males (many certainly) will be seen as competitors to be gotten rid of.
The lost boys when they kicked out a lot of young teens. After all not many teens would want to marry a 50 year old as his fifth wife when they could marry someone their own age or much closer
Ammon, I hope your life is filled with joy and happiness.
Thank you for all that you do! Every experience is important
I am wondering how your older sister that is still in can stay in, knowing what he did to her and others. I’m trying to understand her reasoning. 😊
Im from Cranbrook BC, we had a farm in sparwood next to the jeffs. My dad had me married to someone in the usa when i was 20 so ive just now realized my moms family was in married into this family. The blackmores , I had no idea it was a cult ! i thought we were just super religeous
You should reach out to Shalise and talk to her about your experience being in that cult.
Amazing strength
You should interview Lilia Tarawa, she grew up in Gloriavale, New Zealand, its a Christian cult
Im just curious. did this polygamous lifestyle leave a lot of men unmarried?
It would be interesting to have a linguist discuss the FLDS english accent and word inflection. How did that develop?