When it comes to being unable to practice law, the term you're looking for is called "disbarment". It's the same as a doctor getting their medical license revoked.
(crystal wvout Kristoph) "I really hope he isn't evil." Also I love Apollo so much xD His constant "I'M FINE" is adorable and hilarious. I love the art in this game. It has an amazing smooth sheen to it.
I've seen this case described as Apollo being caught up in a messy divorce between Kristoph and Phoenix and, honestly? Kinda accurate (and I don't even ship Krisnix).
I think in this game he was a little more of a straight up schemer and jaded then he is in the rest of the apollo justice trilogy. though the events of the final case do kinda probably help him not be jaded.
This honestly isn’t as true as people say. There is truth to it, sure, but he’s also definitely more of an asshole in this game and has become very jaded
It feels like an evolution of his character in Justice for All specifically. He was more blunt there, and the final case revolved around playing the court system to essentially blackmail Engarde - just like he does here with Gavin.
this was so insane for a first case, this has potential to be a 3rd case in the original trilogy with the amount of complexity and character motivations
@@shathak.7421 3rd case? Like steel samurai??? Huh??? I thought third cases were often the weakest (1st case as an introduction/tutorial, 2nd introducing the new prosecutor and baby wheels are off, 3rd often is whacky (bar T&T I think) and 4th is the finale?)
@@georgelongcoal1117 Correct. 3rd cases are notorious. This is 4th case material assuming that the game has a 5th case, because its far too inconclusive to be a final case for any game. That's even knowing that these games bleed into each other.
tbh I feel like the SHOCK AND OUTRAGE over the card is somewhat unwarranted**- Phoenix goes out of his way to circle around it as more of a "possibility" than evidence in it's own right. It's an explanation for why the card- which they've proven *was* replaced- would need replacing, and once the secret passage is uncovered it's pretty redundant. **except by Apollo, who was being yanked around the whole trial, just lost his job, and had Phoenix on a bit of a pedestal until that revelation- he can have all the SHOCK AND OUTRAGE he wants
I would definitely say it is warranted because it's not the actual card that Kristoph took from the crime scene but Phoenix was saying that it was which is a blatant lie which could've cost Apollo his attorneys badge, losing his job is one thing losing the badge is much worse, he would have to find a different career.
@@loftypenalty91 spoilers in my second point here jsyk I did say the outrage from Apollo was warranted lol on a personal level it definitely felt like a betrayal, but from an audience perspective we can see that Phoenix didn't take as big a risk as he implies- 1. He didn't actually say he took it from the crime scene- his exact words: "It's mine. That is, I picked it up at the Borscht Bowl Club that night after the murder had occurred." I'd bet he took it from a back-up deck at the restaurant (again, spoilers past here!) 2. Phoenix immediately claiming responsibility for the card shielded Apollo from responsibility. Phoenix was screwed over 7 years ago not by presenting the fraudulent evidence, but by Misham testifying that the fraudulent evidence was *commissioned.* If Phoenix could've proved he didn't *know* it was fraudulent, he likely would've gotten the same slap on the wrist as Edgeworth did in 1-5. In this case, Phoenix would've testified that Apollo didn't know, supported by his change of attorney from Kristoph to Apollo being so last-minute that it's in the court record (notably unlike Zak's switch from Kristoph to Phoenix 7 years ago)
I’ve seen a couple other people recognize him but tbf it’s pretty easy to not realize it is. 3-3 makes the point that Phoenix’s only remarkable features are the blue suit and spiky hair, neither of which are there with Hobonick. Plus, the stubble also is another subtle difference here
If I didn’t already know from reading character wikis I wouldn’t had known. I can identify him by his spiky hair, brows, and suit. Guess Phoenix could easily fool me with a beanie and hoodie.
people not liked games after the first trilogy, but this case alone is so good after the end of the third game. hobo phoenix is something else. he would look so cool with his old clothes with this new sprite, but they just doesn't rework sprites sadly
@@catalyst539 it is that too! I loved Lana Skye's Parole. It's also about how Lana also seemed to believe that sometimes using falsified evidence was justified as long as the person was guilty and couldn't be put in jail by normal means, like Phoenix does here. They both even give that evidence to a young attorney who trusts them! Lana's situation was different, of course - because of Gant's blackmail. But she did seem to agree with him on that - I believe she even said as much. It's also kind of the idea behind Lana Skye's Parole - these parallels between them.
I can't believe I just started and chat is already spoiling. It's "???" in the remake AND I remember it that way in the original. Chat has to relax and allow things to happen naturally or they'll spoil all of this games cool moments. It's fine. I'm fine.
Phoenix probably played so much chess with Edgeworth trought those 7 years that the man became a Master on 4D chess. Who would ever imagine Phoenix of all characters, being able to manipulate an entire Case
Apollo Justice remains my favorite easily of the main AA games, and catapult Phoenix into being (in my opinion) the most interesting character in the series. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have!
I love this case so much, it might be my favorite one. It was great seeing Crystal's reactions to all the twists and turns in the case. Cant wait to watch the rest of the game
@@dzhemvrotSOJ didn’t retcon DD at all. It was a great follow up. DD was a comparatively very poor follow up to AJ. Though it still did some good things for Apollo himself at least
If anyone wants to show off with the word "devochka", I'll teach you the proper pronunciation) First of all, "devochka" means "girl", and is spelled in russian as "девочка", where ch = ч. Now let's work with the syllables. "De" is the stressed syllable, and it sounds like in "debt". "Vo" is pronounced somewhat similar to how you pronounce it in "von Karma")). Finally, "chka" is hard to mispronounce). It's like "chika", but without "i". Now, you have it: "dévochka". You're welcome))
I can't beleive Crystaaahhhl didn't know the Oh Really meme and thus Olga's name flew over her head (and yes its actually pronounced "oh really", not "orlee", they say that straight up later)
@@NoThankUBeQuiet I has to do with Edgeworth’s character arc he undergoes in Investigations 2 Dual Destinies spoils the conclusion of said arc, it’s much better to play the Investigations Collection before the Apollo Trilogy
@@o0Evo0o Spoilers: In case Crystal is reading this, or anyone else who hasn’t play the best game in the series yet: - In Investigations 2, Edgeworth has a struggle where he wonders whether he should stay as a prosecutor, or become a defence attorney, like his father I know that probably sounds stupid, but the game does a really good job at actually making you wonder what path he’s going to choose. The PIC (or whatever it will be called in the official translation) tries to strip Edgeworth of his badge, the second case has Edgeworth act as a defence attorney’s assistant, in the third case he ends up solving the last case his father worked on before death, and in the fourth case he actually forfeits his badge entirely, making him work the last two cases without being a prosecutor In the end, Miles decides that he wants to save people as a prosecutor, reaffirming his stance, thus completing his arc Most people I’ve seen who LP all the Ace Attorney games play I2 after the Apollo Trilogy, and that completely spoils all of that development and character work, and pretty much ruins that whole storyline. The main reason I’m commenting this is because it is especially annoying when I see people who play I2 after DD and complain that the arc is stupid or obvious because they already know that he becomes the Chief Prosecutor in DD I think it be a smart choice to play the Investigations Collection between AJ and DD. That being said, I don’t think she will, which is unfortunate. We’re talking about the person who played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles first, after all
@@AvertAT spoiler break nah, Edgeworth's development in the main games was figuring out what being a "prosecutor" meant to him- there was 0 chance a spin-off game would walk that back. Spinoffs like Investigations shouldn't be approached as though they'll cover series impacting developments- they're character pieces with fluff, fanservice, and an internally contained plot because by nature they have to be supplemental. (+imo the AA:I games make his general lack of action in AA:SoJ stand out even more, because it feels like he really ought to have more international strings to pull) And if you're going to play it mid series, shouldn't it be between the trilogies ie in the 7 year gap when they actually take place? Playing them after AJ makes no sense.
Deserved punch, tbh! AJ Phoenix, I love you so much. Also he's both hot and the mess to me! ....Really hope there will be a patch for Edgeworth Investigations that lets you play with fan translation names, though!
Beanix. It's certainly... a look. Most fans (including me) don't really like it. It has a dad vibe & hides spiky hair but it's just not OUR Phoenix. That, aaaand his principles also went out the window. Apollo Justice in general was a bit of a controversial game, receiving mixed responses across the fandom :/ Just some personal timestamps for later 2:32:21 3:01:56 4:19:45
1:21:40 Orly could be "орлы" (emphasis is on "y" - orlý, and "y" makes that famous "punched in the gut" sound), which means "eagles". A reference to the Russian national emblem with the two-headed eagle, perhaps Upd: oh, really?...
I love Crystal but she’s always attracted to the characters who are definitely not into women while being undecided about the hottest character in the series 😔
it's very uncomfortable to see her do sexual and romantic jokes constantly, maybe it's because im aro ace but idk, there's other ways of humour and interactions
2:54:00 I remember when I first played this case, I had no idea who could possible be behind this case. In my head, I compared Kristoph to Mia and thought that guy was 100% a good guy so I completely missed all the little hints Phoenix gave throughout the trial. I even picked Payne and Phoenix before I considered Kristoph to be the murderer.
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4:07:37 “HE JUST GETS MORE ATTRACTIVE”
Crystal now fully in the Miles Edgeworth mindset
Crystal: "I'm attracted to Phoenix"
Look what 7 years of playing in a seedy club does to a man xD
I did not remember this case going as hard as it did. Regardless, welcome to the dark age of justice!
THE DARK AGE OF THE LAW
I only realized it because of the updated graphics in the HD version. That pin on his hat was worn by Ema Skye during the Gant case.
When it comes to being unable to practice law, the term you're looking for is called "disbarment". It's the same as a doctor getting their medical license revoked.
The sheer WTF over Phoenix in this case never gets old.
I love how Phoenix (and then Apollo later) figured Kristoph out because he just can't stop describing things with flowery analogies. xD
It's pretty funny how the first case is just a game between phoenix and Gavin with everyone else being stuck right in the middle of it
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I can only imagine just how WILDLY her neurons started firing at this moment.
1:42:19 is the other moment, naturally. :V
(crystal wvout Kristoph) "I really hope he isn't evil."
Also I love Apollo so much xD His constant "I'M FINE" is adorable and hilarious. I love the art in this game. It has an amazing smooth sheen to it.
I've seen this case described as Apollo being caught up in a messy divorce between Kristoph and Phoenix and, honestly? Kinda accurate (and I don't even ship Krisnix).
I love people being like "Phoenix seems so different now!"
He's the same, we just can't hear his inner dialogue anymore
I think in this game he was a little more of a straight up schemer and jaded then he is in the rest of the apollo justice trilogy. though the events of the final case do kinda probably help him not be jaded.
This honestly isn’t as true as people say. There is truth to it, sure, but he’s also definitely more of an asshole in this game and has become very jaded
No, he really isn’t the same. His attitude even without thoughts is completely different.
It feels like an evolution of his character in Justice for All specifically. He was more blunt there, and the final case revolved around playing the court system to essentially blackmail Engarde - just like he does here with Gavin.
this was so insane for a first case, this has potential to be a 3rd case in the original trilogy with the amount of complexity and character motivations
@@shathak.7421 3rd case? Like steel samurai??? Huh??? I thought third cases were often the weakest (1st case as an introduction/tutorial, 2nd introducing the new prosecutor and baby wheels are off, 3rd often is whacky (bar T&T I think) and 4th is the finale?)
@@georgelongcoal1117I think they mean in terms of complexity and twistiness, rather than tone.
@@georgelongcoal1117 Correct. 3rd cases are notorious. This is 4th case material assuming that the game has a 5th case, because its far too inconclusive to be a final case for any game. That's even knowing that these games bleed into each other.
DD and SoJ Spoiler:
It's funny how this is the only first case across the mainline games where the "only witness" isn't the killer.
@@georgelongcoal1117 I liked steel samurai personally
I cant believe Phoenix has a daughter.
That means Edgeworth was pregnant.
I love that crystal hearted this, because I can so easily imagine the laugh she let out at this
@@peppercat1887 Wait, why do we assume that the pregnant one was not pheonix?
He laid an egg (if you know, you know)
@@georgelongcoal1117 phoenix is the service top to miles' power bottom
@@AceTrainerLupi Explain?
God case 1 of apollo justice is so much peak man, I'm very happy to see that Crystal had a good time!
tbh I feel like the SHOCK AND OUTRAGE over the card is somewhat unwarranted**- Phoenix goes out of his way to circle around it as more of a "possibility" than evidence in it's own right. It's an explanation for why the card- which they've proven *was* replaced- would need replacing, and once the secret passage is uncovered it's pretty redundant.
**except by Apollo, who was being yanked around the whole trial, just lost his job, and had Phoenix on a bit of a pedestal until that revelation- he can have all the SHOCK AND OUTRAGE he wants
I would definitely say it is warranted because it's not the actual card that Kristoph took from the crime scene but Phoenix was saying that it was which is a blatant lie which could've cost Apollo his attorneys badge, losing his job is one thing losing the badge is much worse, he would have to find a different career.
@@loftypenalty91 spoilers in my second point here jsyk
I did say the outrage from Apollo was warranted lol on a personal level it definitely felt like a betrayal, but from an audience perspective we can see that Phoenix didn't take as big a risk as he implies-
1. He didn't actually say he took it from the crime scene- his exact words: "It's mine. That is, I picked it up at the Borscht Bowl Club that night after the murder had occurred." I'd bet he took it from a back-up deck at the restaurant
(again, spoilers past here!)
2. Phoenix immediately claiming responsibility for the card shielded Apollo from responsibility. Phoenix was screwed over 7 years ago not by presenting the fraudulent evidence, but by Misham testifying that the fraudulent evidence was *commissioned.* If Phoenix could've proved he didn't *know* it was fraudulent, he likely would've gotten the same slap on the wrist as Edgeworth did in 1-5. In this case, Phoenix would've testified that Apollo didn't know, supported by his change of attorney from Kristoph to Apollo being so last-minute that it's in the court record (notably unlike Zak's switch from Kristoph to Phoenix 7 years ago)
Welcome to the Dark Age of the Law, Crystal.
When Pheonix actions are so attractive they bypass his casual fit which isn't giving at all
It always interesting to me how some people can't immediately tell that it's Phoenix, I was tell it was him at first glance.
I’ve seen a couple other people recognize him but tbf it’s pretty easy to not realize it is. 3-3 makes the point that Phoenix’s only remarkable features are the blue suit and spiky hair, neither of which are there with Hobonick. Plus, the stubble also is another subtle difference here
If I didn’t already know from reading character wikis I wouldn’t had known. I can identify him by his spiky hair, brows, and suit. Guess Phoenix could easily fool me with a beanie and hoodie.
45:55 Now we know who took away Phoenix's attorney's badge.
i think apollo justice is my favorite game in the main series-- its just s culmination of everything and everyone and i LOVE IT
crystal having a crisis over beanix is hilarious 😭
people not liked games after the first trilogy, but this case alone is so good after the end of the third game.
hobo phoenix is something else. he would look so cool with his old clothes with this new sprite, but they just doesn't rework sprites sadly
1:35:15
OMG I JUST REALIZED THIS, THE FORESHADOWING IS CRAZY
04:33:52 Phoenix: Oh Lana we're really in it now!
is that a lana skye’s parole reference?
@@catalyst539 it is that too! I loved Lana Skye's Parole. It's also about how Lana also seemed to believe that sometimes using falsified evidence was justified as long as the person was guilty and couldn't be put in jail by normal means, like Phoenix does here. They both even give that evidence to a young attorney who trusts them! Lana's situation was different, of course - because of Gant's blackmail. But she did seem to agree with him on that - I believe she even said as much. It's also kind of the idea behind Lana Skye's Parole - these parallels between them.
40:54 gameplay start
I can't believe I just started and chat is already spoiling. It's "???" in the remake AND I remember it that way in the original. Chat has to relax and allow things to happen naturally or they'll spoil all of this games cool moments.
It's fine. I'm fine.
Phoenix probably played so much chess with Edgeworth trought those 7 years that the man became a Master on 4D chess. Who would ever imagine Phoenix of all characters, being able to manipulate an entire Case
Apollo Justice remains my favorite easily of the main AA games, and catapult Phoenix into being (in my opinion) the most interesting character in the series. Hope you enjoy it as much as I have!
I love this case so much, it might be my favorite one. It was great seeing Crystal's reactions to all the twists and turns in the case. Cant wait to watch the rest of the game
Forever my favorite ace attorney game
YO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
I LOVE APOLLO
3:51:25 Oh, I assure you, it's quite based
Crystaahhl Unnecessary flashbacks are all over this game it’s ridiculous just HOW MANY there are
I've been waiting for this!
WHOA I JUST STARTED AJ AS WELL!! This series has such a chokehold on me rn
I have been looking forward to this case ever since I learned CrystAAHHL was playing Ace Attorney. Didn't disappoint one bit.
this episode should be called Crystaahhl's 4h long river in Egypt 😂
Oh sure RUclips, give me the notification about the stream AFTER IT ENDS
Guess I'll just watch the vod smh
Phoenix in Apollo Justice is peak.
It is, then Dual Destinies just wiped a lot of that away.
@@Senaru Yup, I don't really like DD and SoJ.
@@samus88SoJ is way better than DD, the thing is that it at that time retcon DD as DD did AJ
@@dzhemvrotSOJ didn’t retcon DD at all. It was a great follow up. DD was a comparatively very poor follow up to AJ. Though it still did some good things for Apollo himself at least
Hearing "I hate this" made me sad 😭
So excited to be back on the Ace Attorney train!
Naming grape juice "The Star" is... pretty interesting choice
phoenix is hot and all, but his eyes look so uneven it ticks me off😭
It was sooooooo worth it to watch Crystal's reaction at the start of the trial.
If anyone wants to show off with the word "devochka", I'll teach you the proper pronunciation)
First of all, "devochka" means "girl", and is spelled in russian as "девочка", where ch = ч.
Now let's work with the syllables. "De" is the stressed syllable, and it sounds like in "debt". "Vo" is pronounced somewhat similar to how you pronounce it in "von Karma")). Finally, "chka" is hard to mispronounce). It's like "chika", but without "i". Now, you have it: "dévochka". You're welcome))
3:43:29 Ridiculous! clearly this incident was a one time slipup from Mr Gavin!
I love how much Phoenix looks like Mia in this pose 4:36:23
I can't beleive Crystaaahhhl didn't know the Oh Really meme and thus Olga's name flew over her head (and yes its actually pronounced "oh really", not "orlee", they say that straight up later)
My favorite Ace Attorney game, let's go
so glad u see how hot kristoph is
looks like i have to stop procrastinating watching the final case of last game
1:33:23 no winston payne comparing phoenix with von karma, that's brutal.
The denial is real
Never seen someone fail at tutorial
1:42:18 Pheonix has a daughter?!
olga calling apollo a capitalist was crazy
Hobo Nick.
For spoiler reasons, I think it would be better to play the Investigations Collection before Dual Destinies
@@NoThankUBeQuiet I has to do with Edgeworth’s character arc he undergoes in Investigations 2
Dual Destinies spoils the conclusion of said arc, it’s much better to play the Investigations Collection before the Apollo Trilogy
I agree but its not that big of a deal tbh
@@AvertAT ...the conclusion that he'd
stay a prosecutor? that's not really a spoiler, that's a return to status quo
@@o0Evo0o Spoilers: In case Crystal is reading this, or anyone else who hasn’t play the best game in the series yet:
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In Investigations 2, Edgeworth has a struggle where he wonders whether he should stay as a prosecutor, or become a defence attorney, like his father
I know that probably sounds stupid, but the game does a really good job at actually making you wonder what path he’s going to choose. The PIC (or whatever it will be called in the official translation) tries to strip Edgeworth of his badge, the second case has Edgeworth act as a defence attorney’s assistant, in the third case he ends up solving the last case his father worked on before death, and in the fourth case he actually forfeits his badge entirely, making him work the last two cases without being a prosecutor
In the end, Miles decides that he wants to save people as a prosecutor, reaffirming his stance, thus completing his arc
Most people I’ve seen who LP all the Ace Attorney games play I2 after the Apollo Trilogy, and that completely spoils all of that development and character work, and pretty much ruins that whole storyline. The main reason I’m commenting this is because it is especially annoying when I see people who play I2 after DD and complain that the arc is stupid or obvious because they already know that he becomes the Chief Prosecutor in DD
I think it be a smart choice to play the Investigations Collection between AJ and DD. That being said, I don’t think she will, which is unfortunate. We’re talking about the person who played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles first, after all
@@AvertAT spoiler break
nah, Edgeworth's development in the main games was figuring out what being a "prosecutor" meant to him- there was 0 chance a spin-off game would walk that back. Spinoffs like Investigations shouldn't be approached as though they'll cover series impacting developments- they're character pieces with fluff, fanservice, and an internally contained plot because by nature they have to be supplemental.
(+imo the AA:I games make his general lack of action in AA:SoJ stand out even more, because it feels like he really ought to have more international strings to pull)
And if you're going to play it mid series, shouldn't it be between the trilogies ie in the 7 year gap when they actually take place? Playing them after AJ makes no sense.
Must be standard practice to get 4 guilty verdicts before you get 1 not guilty.
Deserved punch, tbh! AJ Phoenix, I love you so much. Also he's both hot and the mess to me!
....Really hope there will be a patch for Edgeworth Investigations that lets you play with fan translation names, though!
why didn't chat let her see the court record?
Because of the Phoenix reveal. Chat thought Court record would've had his name. I was there live, hence that's what I saw.
@@gabrielkattick3512 ohh, i thought it had something to do with the victim lol
Beanix.
It's certainly... a look. Most fans (including me) don't really like it. It has a dad vibe & hides spiky hair but it's just not OUR Phoenix. That, aaaand his principles also went out the window.
Apollo Justice in general was a bit of a controversial game, receiving mixed responses across the fandom :/
Just some personal timestamps for later
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3:01:56
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I heard this Amby plushie is attractive. Is that true?
Wow for some reason my brain refuses to believe youre playing AJ now because I associate your streams with the PWT now or something
1:21:40 Orly could be "орлы" (emphasis is on "y" - orlý, and "y" makes that famous "punched in the gut" sound), which means "eagles". A reference to the Russian national emblem with the two-headed eagle, perhaps
Upd: oh, really?...
I love Crystal but she’s always attracted to the characters who are definitely not into women while being undecided about the hottest character in the series 😔
it's very uncomfortable to see her do sexual and romantic jokes constantly, maybe it's because im aro ace but idk, there's other ways of humour and interactions
#NotMyPhoenix
2:54:00 I remember when I first played this case, I had no idea who could possible be behind this case. In my head, I compared Kristoph to Mia and thought that guy was 100% a good guy so I completely missed all the little hints Phoenix gave throughout the trial. I even picked Payne and Phoenix before I considered Kristoph to be the murderer.