You appear to be honest in your beliefs, and in what you believe to be the best presentation of the Scriptures. So, I commend you on your good presentation as you see it. *In response,* I would like you to first consider this thought: ... There exists only one sun for this solar system to which our earth belongs. The sun itself is invisible, as no one has ever seen the sun at any time. However, the sun, by very nature of being a sun, brings forth light and heat that already exists, and is produced, within the sun's being (the sun cannot exist independently of its light and heat), for that is what makes the sun a sun by nature. This light and heat is sent forth *from* the sun, and *through/by* the light and heat all living things exist. The light is the visible manifestation of the invisible sun. When we see the light of the sun, we are seeing the sun, but the light is not the sun itself. To feel the sun is to feel its heat, but the heat is not the sun itself. Nevertheless, the sun does not exist apart from its light and heat - they are one. This analogy from nature, I believe, accurately represents the Scripture reality of who the Word, and also the Spirit, is in relation to God the Father... From God the Father are all things through or by means of His Word and Spirit. The Word in which the Spirit indwells is, therefore, *all* of who the invisible God is manifested bodily, of whom the OT saints heard and saw, and by whom the NT people heard and saw in Christ Jesus. Since God created all things by His Word and Spirit, then the God does not exist apart from His Word and Spirit by whom God manifests himself and accomplishes all things. God does nothing except by His Word and Spirit. The Logos (The Word: John 1:1) is not God the Father, but he is: >> In very nature (essence) God *(John 1:1; Philippians 2:6),* meaning: >> He is all THE [def art] Fullness of THE [def art] Godhead dwelling bodily *(Colossians 1:19; 2:9),* being: >> The Very Image *(Genesis 1:26-27)* of the invisible God *(Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4),* >> He is the Beaming Forth of God’s Glory, the exact representation of God’s being *(Hebrews 1:3).* >> The Logos (Word) is with the God *(John 1:1; 1 John 1:1-4),* having come forth from God *(John 8:42),* >> By the Logos, God manifests himself in the OT and NT Scriptures *(Exodus 3:16; 6:3; John 14:9),* >> The Logos is the Jehovah God of the OT by whom all things came into being from God’s command *(Psalms 33:9; John 1:3).* >> And the Logos sustains all things by his powerful word *(Hebrews 1:3).* >> *From* God the Father is redemption, salvation, and judgment *through* His Logos - The Word *(John 1:1-8).* *See: 1 Corinthians 8:6* >> The Logos is Jehovah God manifesting himself all through the OT, and in the NT as Christ Jesus. >> God the Father *does {{{nothing}}} at all, except* by His Word, for *{{{all}}}* things are by His Word *(John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2-3, 10).* *Psalms 33:6* (WEB) 6 By Yahweh’s Word, the heavens were made: all their army by the breath (Spirit) of his mouth. *Psalms 33:9* (WEB) 9 For he [God the Father] spoke, and it was done. He commanded, and it stood firm. *Hebrews 1:2-3* (WEB) 2 [God the Father] has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things [as the Son of Man], through/by whom also he made the ages. 3 His Son is the Radiance of his glory, the very Image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, who, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high… 10 “You, Lord [Jesus], in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the works of your hands. *1 Corinthians 8:5-6* (WEB) 5 For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”; 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, *{{{from}}}* whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ [the Logos incarnate: John 1:10-14], *{{{through}}}* whom are *all* things, and we live through him. The Word cannot be separated from God’s very nature of being God because all things are *{{from}},* *{{through}},* and *{{for}}* God so that God receives all glory. God repays no one for what only He does -- who alone created and made *all* things by his own hands *(Isaiah 44:24; Isaiah 45:12),* which is *all* the work of God's Logos (His Word) who created *(Colossians 1:16)* and made *(John 1:3)* by his own hands *{{{ALL}}}* things *(Hebrews 1:2-3. 10).* *Romans 11:35-36* (NIV) 35 “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36 For *{{{from}}}* him _[God the Father's command: Ps 33:9]_ and *{{{through}}}* him _[God's Logos]_ and *for* him _[both the Father and His Logos: Titus __2:13__-14; Colossians 1:16]_ are *{{{all}}}* things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. I feel that you will likely block the viewing of my post if it refutes your view, as most others do, but I hope you are honest, and have integrity, and so will, instead, reply to my post. Blessings and Love in Christ Jesus.
Tell me what is the mening of this words: Immanuel, Yahshuah ? Or Isaiah 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? There is one God and God can manifest Himself in our physical realm in as many ways as He wants. God the Father has manifest Himself in the body of a man Christ Jesus, In The Holy Spirit, in the Rock in the desert, in the pillar of cloud that went before the Israelites, in the pillar of fire at night etc......... When we will look upon our God it will be God manifest in the Tabernacle of a body, ie. that of Jesus our Saviour, God Himself cannot be contained in any one body or item as He is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Jesus is God manifest in the Tabernacle of Flesh which we shall be able to look upon and communicate with.
So Adam walked with invisible something in the Garden? Enoch walked with an imaginary Being? Abraham served meat and milk to an invisible Being and two others? Moses and a crowd of elders sat at table with an imaginary Being? Jesus came “down “ from heaven but He didn’t see the Father? Perhaps the real problem is that “GOD” is not one but three, one of whom is a spirit, the Holy Spirit, one of whom is another spirit who can assume flesh and blood form whenever He wishes, and the third of whom had those same characteristics until He chose to become eternally incarnate as a Jewish man. All three exist in our four dimensions and concurrently in at least six other dimensions ( see Chuck Missler teachings on RUclips.) So, yes, the scripture is true, but perhaps no one truly understands what it means - yet.
Cristadelfians on this point are wrong! But we need to exsam the whole matter, not just few verses! But let see what it means no one can not see God! We know God has been seen,by Abraham, Isaiah...... But what John 1:18 mrans?! The Greek word for see is horao And it means to see with your eyes, but also means to see with your mind! With the other words,no one can comprehend God(The other way it can't be God) I love christadelfians teaching but on this point they are wrong! Jesus is God's son with the same essence and attributes with the Father and Holy Spirit! If someone thinks otherwise let contact me and I will go with him trough the Bible. Shalom
No one has seen God, Angels represent God. U would need to do a study on the names of God. God rules in the kingdoms of men but it is Angels that do his work.
The speaker quoted numerous Scriptures in support of his well reasoned exposition. So instead of a blanket statement that that is not what the Bible teaches, why not provide your Scriptures in refutation?
1day we SHALL SEE HIM
but we must get our immortal PERFECT SINLESS GLORIFIED BODIES !!!!!!!!
You appear to be honest in your beliefs, and in what you believe to be the best presentation of the Scriptures. So, I commend you on your good presentation as you see it. *In response,* I would like you to first consider this thought: ...
There exists only one sun for this solar system to which our earth belongs. The sun itself is invisible, as no one has ever seen the sun at any time. However, the sun, by very nature of being a sun, brings forth light and heat that already exists, and is produced, within the sun's being (the sun cannot exist independently of its light and heat), for that is what makes the sun a sun by nature. This light and heat is sent forth *from* the sun, and *through/by* the light and heat all living things exist. The light is the visible manifestation of the invisible sun. When we see the light of the sun, we are seeing the sun, but the light is not the sun itself. To feel the sun is to feel its heat, but the heat is not the sun itself. Nevertheless, the sun does not exist apart from its light and heat - they are one.
This analogy from nature, I believe, accurately represents the Scripture reality of who the Word, and also the Spirit, is in relation to God the Father... From God the Father are all things through or by means of His Word and Spirit. The Word in which the Spirit indwells is, therefore, *all* of who the invisible God is manifested bodily, of whom the OT saints heard and saw, and by whom the NT people heard and saw in Christ Jesus. Since God created all things by His Word and Spirit, then the God does not exist apart from His Word and Spirit by whom God manifests himself and accomplishes all things. God does nothing except by His Word and Spirit.
The Logos (The Word: John 1:1) is not God the Father, but he is:
>> In very nature (essence) God *(John 1:1; Philippians 2:6),* meaning:
>> He is all THE [def art] Fullness of THE [def art] Godhead dwelling bodily *(Colossians 1:19; 2:9),* being:
>> The Very Image *(Genesis 1:26-27)* of the invisible God *(Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4),*
>> He is the Beaming Forth of God’s Glory, the exact representation of God’s being *(Hebrews 1:3).*
>> The Logos (Word) is with the God *(John 1:1; 1 John 1:1-4),* having come forth from God *(John 8:42),*
>> By the Logos, God manifests himself in the OT and NT Scriptures *(Exodus 3:16; 6:3; John 14:9),*
>> The Logos is the Jehovah God of the OT by whom all things came into being from God’s command *(Psalms 33:9; John 1:3).*
>> And the Logos sustains all things by his powerful word *(Hebrews 1:3).*
>> *From* God the Father is redemption, salvation, and judgment *through* His Logos - The Word *(John 1:1-8).* *See: 1 Corinthians 8:6*
>> The Logos is Jehovah God manifesting himself all through the OT, and in the NT as Christ Jesus.
>> God the Father *does {{{nothing}}} at all, except* by His Word, for *{{{all}}}* things are by His Word *(John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2-3, 10).*
*Psalms 33:6* (WEB) 6 By Yahweh’s Word, the heavens were made: all their army by the breath (Spirit) of his mouth.
*Psalms 33:9* (WEB) 9 For he [God the Father] spoke, and it was done. He commanded, and it stood firm.
*Hebrews 1:2-3* (WEB) 2 [God the Father] has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things [as the Son of Man], through/by whom also he made the ages. 3 His Son is the Radiance of his glory, the very Image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, who, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high… 10 “You, Lord [Jesus], in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the works of your hands.
*1 Corinthians 8:5-6* (WEB) 5 For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”; 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, *{{{from}}}* whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ [the Logos incarnate: John 1:10-14], *{{{through}}}* whom are *all* things, and we live through him.
The Word cannot be separated from God’s very nature of being God because all things are *{{from}},* *{{through}},* and *{{for}}* God so that God receives all glory. God repays no one for what only He does -- who alone created and made *all* things by his own hands *(Isaiah 44:24; Isaiah 45:12),* which is *all* the work of God's Logos (His Word) who created *(Colossians 1:16)* and made *(John 1:3)* by his own hands *{{{ALL}}}* things *(Hebrews 1:2-3. 10).*
*Romans 11:35-36* (NIV) 35 “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36 For *{{{from}}}* him _[God the Father's command: Ps 33:9]_ and *{{{through}}}* him _[God's Logos]_ and *for* him _[both the Father and His Logos: Titus __2:13__-14; Colossians 1:16]_ are *{{{all}}}* things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
I feel that you will likely block the viewing of my post if it refutes your view, as most others do, but I hope you are honest, and have integrity, and so will, instead, reply to my post.
Blessings and Love in Christ Jesus.
Tell me what is the mening of this words: Immanuel, Yahshuah ?
Or Isaiah 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
There is one God and God can manifest Himself in our physical realm in as many ways as He wants. God the Father has manifest Himself in the body of a man Christ Jesus, In The Holy Spirit, in the Rock in the desert, in the pillar of cloud that went before the Israelites, in the pillar of fire at night etc.........
When we will look upon our God it will be God manifest in the Tabernacle of a body, ie. that of Jesus our Saviour, God Himself cannot be contained in any one body or item as He is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.
Jesus is God manifest in the Tabernacle of Flesh which we shall be able to look upon and communicate with.
So Adam walked with invisible something in the Garden? Enoch walked with an imaginary Being? Abraham served meat and milk to an invisible Being and two others? Moses and a crowd of elders sat at table with an imaginary Being? Jesus came “down “ from heaven but He didn’t see the Father?
Perhaps the real problem is that “GOD” is not one but three, one of whom is a spirit, the Holy Spirit, one of whom is another spirit who can assume flesh and blood form whenever He wishes, and the third of whom had those same characteristics until He chose to become eternally incarnate as a Jewish man. All three exist in our four dimensions and concurrently in at least six other dimensions ( see Chuck Missler teachings on RUclips.) So, yes, the scripture is true, but perhaps no one truly understands what it means - yet.
Cristadelfians on this point are wrong!
But we need to exsam the whole matter, not just few verses!
But let see what it means no one can not see God!
We know God has been seen,by Abraham, Isaiah......
But what John 1:18 mrans?!
The Greek word for see is horao
And it means to see with your eyes, but also means to see with your mind!
With the other words,no one can comprehend God(The other way it can't be God)
I love christadelfians teaching but on this point they are wrong!
Jesus is God's son with the same essence and attributes with the Father and Holy Spirit!
If someone thinks otherwise let contact me and I will go with him trough the Bible.
Shalom
No one has seen God, Angels represent God. U would need to do a study on the names of God. God rules in the kingdoms of men but it is Angels that do his work.
Jesus is God. This channel is teaching false things.
Wow that is not what the scripture says. It's an alteration
The speaker quoted numerous Scriptures in support of his well reasoned exposition. So instead of a blanket statement that that is not what the Bible teaches, why not provide your Scriptures in refutation?
@johnedwards1289 why don't ppl tell what altered version they are using since after 1611 AD