If i had a penny for every time someone thought Hades would be the final boss of the Ocean Saga, id have 2 pennies. Which isnt alot, but its weird that its happened twice Let's goo! Wet Hades!
He spared Polyphemus but not the baby, because he couldn't kill the baby twice. The weight of killing the baby weighed on Odysseus, haunting him, he couldn't bear that much weight a second time. Not yet.
@@Archangel1862 Odysseus killing Astyanax was a Roman addition to the story that came centuries after the original works. Namely because the Romans wanted to paint Greek Heroes in a bad light because they claim to descend from the Trojans as per the Aenid story.
@@dgrmn12345From what I understand there are other versions not just the Roman version and in one I believe Greek version it says that Odysseus convinced Neoptolemus to do it instead or another Greek hero there to do it
@@Archangel1862 theres a whole lot of different versions of who killed the baby and one of them actually does include zeus convincing odysseus to kill him, a lot of the times its a debate between most of the greek leaders after the battle is over, a lot of the times its Neo, Achilles''s son who kills him, a lot of the times theres a prophet in between who predicts what will happen if they dont kill him, etc, etc, the trojan war was retold in a lot of different ways
Incase you want to find one specific song: 12:02 The Horse And The Infant 17:07 Just A Man 20:37 Full Speed Ahead 25:34 Open Arms 30:39 Warrior Of The Mind 35:41 Polyphemus 39:45 Survive 46:36 Remember Them 52:06 My Goodbye 59:39 Storm 1:04:11 Luck Runs Out 1:09:15 Keep Your Friends Close 1:14:38 Ruthlessness 1:21:00 Puppeteer 1:26:47 Wouldn’t You Like 1:31:17 Done For 1:34:46 There Are Other Ways 1:40:08 The Underworld 1:45:43 No Longer You 1:49:14 Monster 1:58:03 Suffering 2:02:24 Different Beast 2:07:54 Scylla 2:12:35 Mutiny 2:18:52 Thunder Bringer 2:23:24 Legendary 2:26:38 Little Wolf 2:30:27 We’ll Be Fine 2:33:14 Love In Paradise 2:37:28 God Games 2:59:05 Not Sorry For Loving You 3:03:05 Dangerous 3:07:51 Charybdis 3:10:31 Get In The Water 3:13:25 Six Hundred Strikes Sorry if I missed one- :]
1:19:47 Odysseus's actions of killing a Baby but not a Cyclops make perfect sense. Firstly, Odysseus DIDN't want to kill the Baby. Zeus forced him because of a Prophecy that threatened Odysseus's family. Odysseus bit that bullet and it haunts him throughout his journey. This guilt led him to want to show mercy to his enemies as a means of making up for his sins. What's unique about this is unlike most 1 degree 'good' heroes, Odysseus in this Musical is so 3 dimensional who is as flawed and imperfect yet still desires to do good despite the consequences. Questions and complications that we ourselves have to live with everyday.
22:05 Following birds is a tried and true tactic that allows sailors to find land. Birds fly far but not so far as to brave vast seas so simply finding native birds in an area is a clear sign of nearby land.
I like to think in puppeteer Circe didn’t use any magic to coerce the men, she literally just gave them attention and a compliment and they folded immediately.
Willow's animatic of Get in the Water doesn't have the last part of the song. I don't know why, but you just full on didn't see the last part of the 2nd to last song. there's a full 10-20 seconds you missed.
Just realized how many references were in the “No Longer You” animatic. He literally even threw him in the water and left him to float to a random island like Thunder Bringer
When they first opened the wind bag, they were visible from the shore of the kingdom. Odysseus's mom died because she saw the ship off of the shore when the storm took them away, so she assumed that Ody had died and walked into the ocean to join him.
1:03:12 that is NOT the story of arachni. athena lost and was like btch if you weave so good you might as well be a spider and transformed her out of pure pettiness.
Polyphemus was also a child and the big difference between him and the baby was that Odysseus was directly told a prophecy by Zeus. The baby would be pushed into going after him and would succeed in destroying every one/thing he loved. Polyphemus doesn't get a strong confirmation. Alao killing the baby traumatized him so he tried to avoid killing going forwars in the musical.
exactly, im tired of people putting it on him as if he didnt have the literal King of the Gods telling him that if he didnt do it his own wife, child and kingdom would die because THEY would MAKE the kid go after him
You missed a part of Get In the Water because the animatic you watched didn't animate that part, also I suggest you watch Jorge's official livestream releases of the Ithica saga when it comes out because they have some pretty good animatics
I think he didn't kill Polyphemus in the musical due to the death of Polites and partially wanting to honor him. But then his arrogance came out, and he spoke his name and doxxed himself. 😅
Orpheus lived as a celibate poet after seeing his wife return to Hades. This angered the local women because he would constantly refuse them, so they killed him.
Tbh, regardless of who’s son he is, if I was Athena and I saw some random kid practicing swordplay cloning he wants to fight all the worst monsters in the mythology I’d definitely put him to the test.
At the time of Thunder Bringer, Odysseus wasn’t so petty that he’d throw away his entire crew’s lives just for a moderate mutiny. They didn’t even kill him. Majority of the crew would’ve been people he’s known for decades so he can’t just throw their lives away for that one discrepancy. And Eurylochous was genuinely like a brother to him. (I know he tried to kill him at Scylla but sacrificing him collaterally is different then just going “Kill him”).
Im always so upset that people watch Gigi's animatics for the first 2 songs separately. She has one where they are put together, and the ending shows Odysseus letting go
I liked the ending that Gigi added where he lets go and that the new version helps Jorge, but not gonna lie i prefer the old chorus in the Horse and the Infant
fun fact they changed parts of the original story for the musical. like in the musical Odysseus is completely faithful to his wife, but in the original story he spent a year on Circe's island and had a son with her. who becomes an important part in the later stages of the poem but i don't think he's going to go that far in the musical. Edit: I want to clarify that what i was meaning is The Telegony was a poem that continues the Story of Odysseus. It's not written by Homer but by Eugammon of Cyrene. Do to ancient Greece's ideas when it comes to story telling, it is up to there person reading if it is "canon"!
Also I would say he was still faithful to his wife considering that Circe would only let his men go if he bedded her. So it was either sleep with a goddess to free your men or have all your captive men die.
@@sebastiansepulveda547 Yes you're right that Telegonus wasn't in Homer's Odyssey. I was meaning that a lot of people think of The Telegony as a continuation of the story.
So the original anniversary of Epic is December 25th 2022 and in a youtube or tiktoc short Jeorge (the main creator and voice of Odysseus) give a vague insinuation of when the Ithica saga will be released. In all likelihood it will be on said 2 year anniversary this year.
Eurylochus losing hope in mutiny is a big point, talking about how he's been pushing through doubt for a long time now. In the original he even says it would be better for the gods to smite them quickly than to die slowly of starvation.
22:07 u have to choosethe right bird. none migrating, none swiming. so things like and crows and ravens work vikings used to bring them on theyr ships, and let them go while in open waters, the bird would fly up, and if it didnkt see land it would return to the ship, as the onely solid place to land, but if it saw land it would fly straight for it to get away from ppl, and the vikings would follow
I don't know if anyone else has made this thought known. The Infant and The Cyclops are the exact same scenario. The reason it didn't end in the same outcome is he was so wracked with guilt over the death of that child he felt he couldn't handle doing it again. The lesson there being he made the ultimately correct choice with the infant but failed to do so with the Cyclops. If he was able to stomach the blood on his hands a second time then he would have been home even faster since Poseidon wouldn't have given him the Storm to deal with at all.
god, watching chat just constantly spit out myth fun facts instead of focusing on the musical pains me. someone really was explaining "how to choose your deity to pray to" when ODYSSEUS IS SINGING WITH HIS DEAD MOTHER.
Of course the person who put together the playlist negoected to put on the best ruthlessness animatic. (Anniflamma's(this is not an opinion. Not subjective. It is an objective fact that anniflamma's ruthlessness animatic is the best ruthlessness animatic)).
A common misconception is that people confuse sirens with mermaids, sirens have the body of a bird, funnily enough this doesn't ruin the lyrics of the musical because birds need their tails to fly, it actually makes more sense, since he wouldn't be condemning fish to drown
On the actual Anthology he did kill the baby so I’m assuming that he did in here and it’s also like interest in mythology. It’s historical as proof of it so I would assume that he did kill the baby.
I believe the cow still died A lot of people mistake Immortal for meaning Unkillable. Immortal is just supposed to mean that the creature will never die by natural causes, like disease, old age, hunger, etc. So they will never die unless interfered with, but they can still be harmed and killed by wounds
People always blame Eurylocus for the storm bag, but there never would have been a storm to begin with if Ody was smart enough not to yell his name, address and social security number to an *ENEMY* Edit: Also, If my captain had just offered me and the boys to a monster like a 6-piece McNugget meal, *MY* mutiny wouldn't have ended with Ody tied to the mast; it would have ended with him chopped into 6 pieces for irony and tossed into the ocean.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 So, should the crew have killed Odysseus after he told the Cyclops his name, address and social security number? Because *THAT* was what brought down the storm targeting them, which made the windbag necessary in the first place, lol
If i had a penny for every time someone thought Hades would be the final boss of the Ocean Saga, id have 2 pennies. Which isnt alot, but its weird that its happened twice
Let's goo! Wet Hades!
Someone said Daddy. Can't help it if the three daddies of Greek mythology are Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon!!! HAHAHA
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@@malenejensen02 8?!? 😲
He spared Polyphemus but not the baby, because he couldn't kill the baby twice. The weight of killing the baby weighed on Odysseus, haunting him, he couldn't bear that much weight a second time. Not yet.
I honestly think Odysseus kill Astyanax because he was order by Zeus in Epic but in the actual myth that is just the way Greeks were
@@Archangel1862 Odysseus killing Astyanax was a Roman addition to the story that came centuries after the original works. Namely because the Romans wanted to paint Greek Heroes in a bad light because they claim to descend from the Trojans as per the Aenid story.
@@dgrmn12345From what I understand there are other versions not just the Roman version and in one I believe Greek version it says that Odysseus convinced Neoptolemus to do it instead or another Greek hero there to do it
And Polites had been pushing him to be a bit more merciful and kind so he kinda did it in his honour in some ways
@@Archangel1862 theres a whole lot of different versions of who killed the baby and one of them actually does include zeus convincing odysseus to kill him, a lot of the times its a debate between most of the greek leaders after the battle is over, a lot of the times its Neo, Achilles''s son who kills him, a lot of the times theres a prophet in between who predicts what will happen if they dont kill him, etc, etc, the trojan war was retold in a lot of different ways
Incase you want to find one specific song:
12:02 The Horse And The Infant
17:07 Just A Man
20:37 Full Speed Ahead
25:34 Open Arms
30:39 Warrior Of The Mind
35:41 Polyphemus
39:45 Survive
46:36 Remember Them
52:06 My Goodbye
59:39 Storm
1:04:11 Luck Runs Out
1:09:15 Keep Your Friends Close
1:14:38 Ruthlessness
1:21:00 Puppeteer
1:26:47 Wouldn’t You Like
1:31:17 Done For
1:34:46 There Are Other Ways
1:40:08 The Underworld
1:45:43 No Longer You
1:49:14 Monster
1:58:03 Suffering
2:02:24 Different Beast
2:07:54 Scylla
2:12:35 Mutiny
2:18:52 Thunder Bringer
2:23:24 Legendary
2:26:38 Little Wolf
2:30:27 We’ll Be Fine
2:33:14 Love In Paradise
2:37:28 God Games
2:59:05 Not Sorry For Loving You
3:03:05 Dangerous
3:07:51 Charybdis
3:10:31 Get In The Water
3:13:25 Six Hundred Strikes
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1:19:47 Odysseus's actions of killing a Baby but not a Cyclops make perfect sense.
Firstly, Odysseus DIDN't want to kill the Baby. Zeus forced him because of a Prophecy that threatened Odysseus's family. Odysseus bit that bullet and it haunts him throughout his journey.
This guilt led him to want to show mercy to his enemies as a means of making up for his sins.
What's unique about this is unlike most 1 degree 'good' heroes, Odysseus in this Musical is so 3 dimensional who is as flawed and imperfect yet still desires to do good despite the consequences. Questions and complications that we ourselves have to live with everyday.
22:05 Following birds is a tried and true tactic that allows sailors to find land. Birds fly far but not so far as to brave vast seas so simply finding native birds in an area is a clear sign of nearby land.
I like to think in puppeteer Circe didn’t use any magic to coerce the men, she literally just gave them attention and a compliment and they folded immediately.
Yeah, it has been about 12 years or so. I'm sure they weren't at their most guarded against feminine charm
You think men that has been on the sea for 12 years aren't gonna be easily courses?
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Willow's animatic of Get in the Water doesn't have the last part of the song. I don't know why, but you just full on didn't see the last part of the 2nd to last song. there's a full 10-20 seconds you missed.
Just realized how many references were in the “No Longer You” animatic. He literally even threw him in the water and left him to float to a random island like Thunder Bringer
everything the prophet says comes true. he just didn't want to help because he knew that Odysseus would figure it out himself.
@ I know that it all comes true I’m talking about this specific animatic that predicts events visually depicted in later animatics
When they first opened the wind bag, they were visible from the shore of the kingdom. Odysseus's mom died because she saw the ship off of the shore when the storm took them away, so she assumed that Ody had died and walked into the ocean to join him.
Fun fact Odysseus’ mom is voiced by Jorge’s actual mom🥲
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1:03:12 that is NOT the story of arachni. athena lost and was like btch if you weave so good you might as well be a spider and transformed her out of pure pettiness.
Polyphemus was also a child and the big difference between him and the baby was that Odysseus was directly told a prophecy by Zeus. The baby would be pushed into going after him and would succeed in destroying every one/thing he loved. Polyphemus doesn't get a strong confirmation. Alao killing the baby traumatized him so he tried to avoid killing going forwars in the musical.
exactly, im tired of people putting it on him as if he didnt have the literal King of the Gods telling him that if he didnt do it his own wife, child and kingdom would die because THEY would MAKE the kid go after him
You missed a part of Get In the Water because the animatic you watched didn't animate that part, also I suggest you watch Jorge's official livestream releases of the Ithica saga when it comes out because they have some pretty good animatics
I think he didn't kill Polyphemus in the musical due to the death of Polites and partially wanting to honor him. But then his arrogance came out, and he spoke his name and doxxed himself. 😅
Orpheus lived as a celibate poet after seeing his wife return to Hades.
This angered the local women because he would constantly refuse them, so they killed him.
Tbh, regardless of who’s son he is, if I was Athena and I saw some random kid practicing swordplay cloning he wants to fight all the worst monsters in the mythology I’d definitely put him to the test.
At the time of Thunder Bringer, Odysseus wasn’t so petty that he’d throw away his entire crew’s lives just for a moderate mutiny. They didn’t even kill him. Majority of the crew would’ve been people he’s known for decades so he can’t just throw their lives away for that one discrepancy. And Eurylochous was genuinely like a brother to him. (I know he tried to kill him at Scylla but sacrificing him collaterally is different then just going “Kill him”).
Im always so upset that people watch Gigi's animatics for the first 2 songs separately.
She has one where they are put together, and the ending shows Odysseus letting go
I liked the ending that Gigi added where he lets go and that the new version helps Jorge, but not gonna lie i prefer the old chorus in the Horse and the Infant
I'm sorry! I was just linked a playlist and I guess unluckily it didn't tie the end of Just a Man to the next one T___T
You’re not supposed to know he drops him until monster though
That one came out considerably later, so it doesn't make it into most older playlists.
Like, that one only came out pretty recently (around when Thunder Saga droped)
1:58:46 okay but Daughter™ with that :3 no thoughts head empty energy tho
Its sad the animatic for get in the water is cut halfway, if you wish to rewatch it better to check Nine animatic for get in the water
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They made an updated version of “Just A Man” where it shows the hand opening at the end signifying that he did indeed drop the baby
fun fact they changed parts of the original story for the musical. like in the musical Odysseus is completely faithful to his wife, but in the original story he spent a year on Circe's island and had a son with her. who becomes an important part in the later stages of the poem but i don't think he's going to go that far in the musical.
Edit: I want to clarify that what i was meaning is The Telegony was a poem that continues the Story of Odysseus. It's not written by Homer but by Eugammon of Cyrene. Do to ancient Greece's ideas when it comes to story telling, it is up to there person reading if it is "canon"!
Yeah… but most people don’t consider that part where ody gets murdered and then Circe Marrys tele and Penelope marrys circe nand odys son.
Also I would say he was still faithful to his wife considering that Circe would only let his men go if he bedded her. So it was either sleep with a goddess to free your men or have all your captive men die.
The telegony is NOT canon.
Telegonus(Circe son) doesn’t come up in the rest of Homer’s Odyssey, it was in a later different poem
@@sebastiansepulveda547 Yes you're right that Telegonus wasn't in Homer's Odyssey. I was meaning that a lot of people think of The Telegony as a continuation of the story.
Ody figuring out his mom was dead by finding her restless spirit still searching for him in the underworld. That would have been my breaking point.
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That Get in the Water animatic was missing the beginning and end of the song.
So the original anniversary of Epic is December 25th 2022 and in a youtube or tiktoc short Jeorge (the main creator and voice of Odysseus) give a vague insinuation of when the Ithica saga will be released. In all likelihood it will be on said 2 year anniversary this year.
There’s another animatic of ‘different beasts’ that has myth accurate sirens which are supposed to be look like bird people not fish people.
Eurylochus losing hope in mutiny is a big point, talking about how he's been pushing through doubt for a long time now. In the original he even says it would be better for the gods to smite them quickly than to die slowly of starvation.
22:07 u have to choosethe right bird. none migrating, none swiming. so things like and crows and ravens work vikings used to bring them on theyr ships, and let them go while in open waters, the bird would fly up, and if it didnkt see land it would return to the ship, as the onely solid place to land, but if it saw land it would fly straight for it to get away from ppl, and the vikings would follow
I don't know if anyone else has made this thought known. The Infant and The Cyclops are the exact same scenario. The reason it didn't end in the same outcome is he was so wracked with guilt over the death of that child he felt he couldn't handle doing it again. The lesson there being he made the ultimately correct choice with the infant but failed to do so with the Cyclops. If he was able to stomach the blood on his hands a second time then he would have been home even faster since Poseidon wouldn't have given him the Storm to deal with at all.
god, watching chat just constantly spit out myth fun facts instead of focusing on the musical pains me. someone really was explaining "how to choose your deity to pray to" when ODYSSEUS IS SINGING WITH HIS DEAD MOTHER.
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55:15, his crew i believe i saw polites in a shot. also he’s talked about the gods summoning a chorus for a lot of the background vocals
In this version of the Odyssey Odysseus stays loyal to Penelope. That means there was no romantic or sexual relationship with Polites and Odysseus
Awe i wish she went with the mircey's polythemus
It was just what was available in the playlist but someone else recommended this animatic too! I'll revisit this for sure! Thank you!
30:24 so your saying to greet the world with open arms 😂
EXACTLY! Every day is a blessing so greet the world with open arms HAHAHA
Of course the person who put together the playlist negoected to put on the best ruthlessness animatic. (Anniflamma's(this is not an opinion. Not subjective. It is an objective fact that anniflamma's ruthlessness animatic is the best ruthlessness animatic)).
I recommend the Get in the Water animatic from NiNE
It does a great job at depicting the monster that is Poseidon
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A common misconception is that people confuse sirens with mermaids, sirens have the body of a bird, funnily enough this doesn't ruin the lyrics of the musical because birds need their tails to fly, it actually makes more sense, since he wouldn't be condemning fish to drown
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On the actual Anthology he did kill the baby so I’m assuming that he did in here and it’s also like interest in mythology. It’s historical as proof of it so I would assume that he did kill the baby.
Gwendy’s animation for Dangerous is so good! You should watch some animatics you didn’t watch after
I believe the cow still died
A lot of people mistake Immortal for meaning Unkillable. Immortal is just supposed to mean that the creature will never die by natural causes, like disease, old age, hunger, etc. So they will never die unless interfered with, but they can still be harmed and killed by wounds
It’s funny to watch new epic viewers
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Nroooooo not my favorite Polyphemus animatic : ( but I still will watch
It’s the animatic by Mircsy
Thank you I'll check it out!!! I just used whatever was on the playlist but I'm not opposed to looking for other animatics to watch!
the get in the water was incomplete😥😥
mildly upset and annoyed the "get in the water" you watched cut off both the start and end of the full song
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Wait a tic! did that one animation of get in the water not play the waiting part ? Boo i say boo .
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People always blame Eurylocus for the storm bag, but there never would have been a storm to begin with if Ody was smart enough not to yell his name, address and social security number to an *ENEMY*
Edit: Also, If my captain had just offered me and the boys to a monster like a 6-piece McNugget meal, *MY* mutiny wouldn't have ended with Ody tied to the mast; it would have ended with him chopped into 6 pieces for irony and tossed into the ocean.
Oddyseus should have just killed Eurylocus.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 He... he did. That's the whole... are you new here?
@@grantsampson776 I mean earlier like after the opening of the bag
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 So, should the crew have killed Odysseus after he told the Cyclops his name, address and social security number?
Because *THAT* was what brought down the storm targeting them, which made the windbag necessary in the first place, lol
@@grantsampson776 No, because Odysseus is necessary for their return, eurylocus isn't.