Mushi doesn't realize he is a toxic influence. I manage teams every day in my job and I can tell you, Mushi has *created* that atmosphere where team members feel they can't say anything, don't know what to say. It's immediately clear that Demon makes Fnatic more comfortable as a team... then Mushi sulks and sabotages by essentially refusing to draft. Their analyst's comments also make it clear, Mushi's attitude is volatile in the group. He may be more experienced, but his leadership is 2kmmr.
It's kinda different environment between in EG and Fnatic. I think Mushi put too much pressure to the team, when you play with pressure you play nervous and scare to do mistakes.
yeah... and also when they lose they take it very emotional instead of taking it as a learning phase.. Maybe they should plan on team building activity outdoor too improve their team communication and workship...
+Nazirul Aslam Mushis way of being toxic is actually very fucking bad. much worse than raging for a few seconds during a scrim. i played cs 1.6 on a high European level, I moved to Asia and 5-6 years later started with csgo. one of my friends had this Mushi type of guy on our team because he was older and experienced. but he was pulling everyone down ALL the time regardless of end result. in his mind: if he played bad it was because of us, if he play well its because of him. he blamed me for shit like team flash when I wasnt even close to him and wasn't desperate enough to check demo later and prove it. but I remember he kept nagging about the team flash (which might not even have been tf) the whole round until someone told him to shut it
I agree, we can see Jimmy handle the situation calmly. On the other side we can see mushi like a babyrage, and wtf attitude when he refused hi5 and being sarcastic to Jimmy's speech. Mushi has no people skills that a good leader needed.
true that , mushi always tryna act bossy and strict and his emotion get the better of him , but this thing is normal if we look in chinese dota pro teams they are actually raging face to face among the members while reviewing their replays , they are roTk and sylar , hw do u think if mushi go to them? haha might start winning tourneys
the difference between EG communication and Fnatic's is so astounding, like EG they like keep it casual and dont make a big deal out of it, but Mushi always being cancereous to him teammates like wtf, they're so intimidated by his attitude..
Mushi force people to speak up and say what's on their minds but the moment they speak and give pointers he gets all defensive and "sO yOu BlAmE mE ?!?!?!". that's the pinnacle of leadership right there. you can't top that
37:35 wtf is this attitude of mushi? i think in this moment i agreed in what people's says to mushi like mushit. i respect and salute to demon he still try to smile after mushit shows that unpro attitude
That's the worst shit I've ever seen in my life! He's the leader of that team and acting like a child. Fucking shit I just can't accept the fact that he acts like that.
trully fuck. they play with burden. no play fun. enjoy the game. the philiphine duo feel so pressured by mushi. and that fucking mushi is just too arogan and his attitude just so fucking break down this team.. jimmy try to lighten the mood with that hi-5 and what mushi doing?.. he drop the mood .
You can't rly judge mushi, since he is held back by his team since he started proffesional dota. They Philippine duo doesn't have mechanical skills needed. And Mushi isn't arrogant, he just lost hope they they can win anything as a team( nobody can stay positive if he can see that his team can't do shit).
mushi needs to calm down holy shite. he was actually putting their team down and putting them under a lot of pressure. he also refused to high five jimmy and was being sarcastic. wtf was that?
jimmy was insensitive to mention that mushi said a bad thing. that's just really disrespectful of the supposed team captain. at the end of the day, i think there's just too much personality on jimmy. he needs to adjust and be more sensitive to his teammates. it's a clash between mushi and jimmy's personality that made them lose the qualifiers.
That's actually how adults interact. You can see that Jimmy and other Filipino teammates lack professionalism when someone is talking to them. They even almost ignored Ohaiyo.
I crack when EG can't get out of the building and their manager or whatsoever says "Is this how people turn into Canadian citizens you just get trapped in buildings until you're naturalized." HAHAHAHA
What accomplished? he still mediocre at best finishing 12-14th place to TI in 3 consecutive years and can't even crack top 6 at any major tournaments. His stint to Fnatic is a disaster compare to Mushi yeah his strict and toxic on this one but can't blame him no one listen to him lol. I Don't even like Mushit at all but when he lead fnatic before they compete to any region. So what raven accompleshed again?
Here's my 2cents for Fanatic. IMO Mushi is a better player than the rest, but he is not a good leader, lack of communication skills is what killing them, Jimmy was trying to build a better understanding and he is the bridge between every players, so Mushi should cooperate with Jimmy more, draft out their plans and thoughts, let Jimmy deliver it to others, this could work, i dont know, im just a dog with keyboard.
KamijoSan english is not their 1st language but its the only way to communicate. mushi can speak well in chinese but his foreign teammates wont understand him at all.
Who's here after Blacklist Rivalry announced Mushi as their interim coach for the upcoming ESL One Kuala Lumpur 2023? 19:30, the iconic line of Mushi to Eyyou and Raven, "Just go upstairs."
What a great series so far. In FNATIC, i only observe is mushi's discipline, the way he discipline his teammates etc. For me it is a great idea to discipline your team, they laugh, crack some jokes etc. While in EG, they are brothers.
Mushi just didnt know how to lead the team. Blaming everyone and talk shit. With that attitude, the team is going nowhere. I think i've lose mushi's respect from now on
all i can say about this is Mushi is giving raven and eyyouu the best lesson in their carriers . they should be glad to be able to play with mushi , im not defending him but the things he said actually have sense ,and its about being a real pro player. by that you need to be able too take the pressures . by experiencing this i think they themselves realizes that if they look at it on the positive side instead of taking it personallly . and i guess being with mushi even for a short period of time gave raven a lot . he's still learning and growing at time and he is also young so playing with another team with different nationality and away frowm home must have been so musch pressure already , but look at him now .. the experience he had with mushi gave him something that pushed him to be one of the best carry in sea ryt now . this must have been a wrong move but still it is worth .
Based on the opinions on Fnatic. I feel like Mushi is like a harsh teacher that parents send thier kids to. But how they turn out will still go back to him. Imagine if the 4 of them becomes like Mushi. The way he say things and do stuff. I think it will be chaotic. Even parents won't agree with that
Dont blame Mushi, just try to be in his skin. Lots of proud in him and when you are not where you want to be, it can hurt, like hell. And his getting older, so his chance of getting championship cup is getting smaller and smaller, you can feel lots of pleasure on his back. So dont shit on something you cant understand.
34:00 drafting- mushi to demon "if you can." heck, this one too "Im mushi. Im their idol" (not verbatim) Communication is not really the problem, your ego is
you know when having a true sight like this , then having 2 professional team are been watched for all dota fan , you all can see how attitude from the SEA server even 6k-7k MMR and the attitude from EUROPE or America side there.
Slacks is like this guy that's trying to be funny by being mean but he always makes the situation so awkward... he sometimes don't know what to do after that...
Mushi's problem is he only thinks of himself. He thinks that everyone needs to think and do only what he thinks and does. and if its even slightly different, its only wrong, it can never be "less right"
I really interest the old Mushi....and I can see Mushi are the people who are can't accept people opinion sometimes.... and he need to realise that his leadership nowadays making Fnatic more down...Experience is not the requirement to be a leadership in Dota but its about communication and teamwork
I'm wondering if the making of this documentary indirectly affects fnatic's performance. You know like sometimes people tend to overreact their emotions and became overly conscious of their behaviours in front of camera.
Mushi is not a good leader to Fnatic..even the mistake of his team..he blame us..if u are a leader of ur team u are always friendly and understanding to ur team..because u cant win if u are not understanding to be a good captain.
I just keep skipping on EG's part and keep laughing at Mushi HAHAHAHH. I feel bad for TNC if Mushi brings this kind of energy to the team for being coach.
Bigbow Littlebow polo and raven are the same person. His username was polo til he changed it to raven. If you here "Nico", that is eyyou. that's the support guy alongside jimmy aka demon
I get the hate on Mushi, when I first watched the series I got really annoyed with him, but when I re watched it, I realized the last few minutes after they lost he actually handled it really really well, doesn't mean he was not out of line at other times, still it made me see him in a different light.
Mushi : "I'll be very very positive... right now" Mushi : "Can you draft the rest of the game ? I'm not in the best condition to draft right now" it's confirmed bois being positive is not the best condition for mushi
37:42 Mushi's toxicity bruh 🤮 He said he will be more sensitive to his actions because he is their "IDOL" yet even a single high five cant give lol -.- and the sarcasm with the "Nice Speech" and claps lol
Mushi doesn't realize he is a toxic influence. I manage teams every day in my job and I can tell you, Mushi has *created* that atmosphere where team members feel they can't say anything, don't know what to say. It's immediately clear that Demon makes Fnatic more comfortable as a team... then Mushi sulks and sabotages by essentially refusing to draft.
Their analyst's comments also make it clear, Mushi's attitude is volatile in the group. He may be more experienced, but his leadership is 2kmmr.
a well said comment... I was gonna say the same but then realized that your's was much well written so im just gonna drop a like =P
Rival 2 Reality
hahah thanks man, Cheers. I wish Fnatic could get their shit together but Mushi is too full of resentment.
***** you said "I manage teams everyday."... sports teams ?
Rival 2 Reality
No, development teams. But it's all about human dynamics.
Rival 2 Reality football manager it think lol
It's kinda different environment between in EG and Fnatic. I think Mushi put too much pressure to the team, when you play with pressure you play nervous and scare to do mistakes.
Willson Jo eg won TI already so they dont have much desire as mushi. you can see it in mushi eyes. he wants it so badly.
you mean the rape look ?
yeah... and also when they lose they take it very emotional instead of taking it as a learning phase.. Maybe they should plan on team building activity outdoor too improve their team communication and workship...
+Nazirul Aslam Mushis way of being toxic is actually very fucking bad. much worse than raging for a few seconds during a scrim. i played cs 1.6 on a high European level, I moved to Asia and 5-6 years later started with csgo. one of my friends had this Mushi type of guy on our team because he was older and experienced. but he was pulling everyone down ALL the time regardless of end result. in his mind: if he played bad it was because of us, if he play well its because of him. he blamed me for shit like team flash when I wasnt even close to him and wasn't desperate enough to check demo later and prove it. but I remember he kept nagging about the team flash (which might not even have been tf) the whole round until someone told him to shut it
Kinda true. And when mistakes are made that particular person who is nervous will have a mental breakdown because of the pressure he was pressed on
Mushi: "Still dont know what to say? You want me one on one with you upstair?!" man thats hilarious hahaha
Jimmy is a better captain than mushi.
Rex Lemuel Nepalis pinoy confirmed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA mushi is a legendary player bro
jimmy is US citizenship bro LMAO
I agree, we can see Jimmy handle the situation calmly. On the other side we can see mushi like a babyrage, and wtf attitude when he refused hi5 and being sarcastic to Jimmy's speech. Mushi has no people skills that a good leader needed.
true that , mushi always tryna act bossy and strict and his emotion get the better of him , but this thing is normal if we look in chinese dota pro teams they are actually raging face to face among the members while reviewing their replays , they are roTk and sylar , hw do u think if mushi go to them? haha might start winning tourneys
Every time Fnatic is on I get real depressed.
Every time Mushi is on I get real depressed.
Every time I see mushi I get depressed
every time mushi play i got depresed
no kappa
Everytime i see depressed i got Mushi
the difference between EG communication and Fnatic's is so astounding, like EG they like keep it casual and dont make a big deal out of it, but Mushi always being cancereous to him teammates like wtf, they're so intimidated by his attitude..
As a Malaysian team supporter and true Fnatic fan, I'm truly disappointed with Mushi. No wonder 3 of them left.
If he can't get along with 1 of them it's understandable. But 3... Bruh Mushi. And how about Ohaiyo?
Who's here after TNC announced mushi as their coach in TI10 SEA regional qualifier? 😁
Me
Tims go upstairs
Hahahaha lol. How did you know? TF? Hahaha
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Mushi force people to speak up and say what's on their minds but the moment they speak and give pointers he gets all defensive and "sO yOu BlAmE mE ?!?!?!". that's the pinnacle of leadership right there. you can't top that
Did DJ, MidOne and 343 leave fnatic because of Mushi?
Lord Bills yes
yes
probably
i think so.now only mushi and ohayo remain.
most probably
37:35 wtf is this attitude of mushi? i think in this moment i agreed in what people's says to mushi like mushit. i respect and salute to demon he still try to smile after mushit shows that unpro attitude
That's the worst shit I've ever seen in my life! He's the leader of that team and acting like a child. Fucking shit I just can't accept the fact that he acts like that.
FUCKING IDIOT MUSHI wtf man it's fucking sad
Astonishing High-five denie comming from Mushi!
fnatic is like a group therapy, wtf ! i think they will never ever become a real team, i cant feel the friendship ,,,
true
Chinaboy98 thus why they disbanded
trully fuck. they play with burden. no play fun. enjoy the game. the philiphine duo feel so pressured by mushi.
and that fucking mushi is just too arogan and his attitude just so fucking break down this team.. jimmy try to lighten the mood with that hi-5 and what mushi doing?.. he drop the mood .
You can't rly judge mushi, since he is held back by his team since he started proffesional dota. They Philippine duo doesn't have mechanical skills needed. And Mushi isn't arrogant, he just lost hope they they can win anything as a team( nobody can stay positive if he can see that his team can't do shit).
Nah he is cancer...
mushi makes everything difficult. Good job valve for this series !! we can see the mentality of a champion and a loser.
More like EG is scripted and Fnc is true sight
maybe true. but i strongly agree on what i said about mushi.
Muhd Nurwadi yeah he is incredibly toxic. I thought maybe I was toxic until I saw this shit.
+lee woeijye how "scripted"? pls explain
he so BOSSY tsk tsk
mushi needs to calm down holy shite. he was actually putting their team down and putting them under a lot of pressure. he also refused to high five jimmy and was being sarcastic. wtf was that?
jimmy was insensitive to mention that mushi said a bad thing. that's just really disrespectful of the supposed team captain. at the end of the day, i think there's just too much personality on jimmy. he needs to adjust and be more sensitive to his teammates. it's a clash between mushi and jimmy's personality that made them lose the qualifiers.
mushi has a big fucking ego
That's actually how adults interact. You can see that Jimmy and other Filipino teammates lack professionalism when someone is talking to them. They even almost ignored Ohaiyo.
@@kohjiiida2637 they scold and yell and being toxic. No wonder the adult world is dead
The Mushi's face scares everyone.
I crack when EG can't get out of the building and their manager or whatsoever says "Is this how people turn into Canadian citizens you just get trapped in buildings until you're naturalized." HAHAHAHA
It’s amazing to see how much Raven has accomplished today without a toxic leader.
What accomplished? he still mediocre at best finishing 12-14th place to TI in 3 consecutive years and can't even crack top 6 at any major tournaments. His stint to Fnatic is a disaster compare to Mushi yeah his strict and toxic on this one but can't blame him no one listen to him lol. I Don't even like Mushit at all but when he lead fnatic before they compete to any region. So what raven accompleshed again?
Arteezy : "you still drinking coffee at 2016 ?"
Unknown player : "no,its a tea"
Arteezy : "oh sorry bro"
LoL
It was Aui_2000
Kingston Moke oh,ty for the information
Arinal Mursyid kicked aui_2000 for arteezy.and then they meet like that.so awkward
Shah Ridzwan aui_2000 at EG before ?
Arinal Mursyid yes.he won ti6 with them.then azteezy and he was kick ed or he chose to leave
Sumail & Fear = Son & Dad
More like arteezy and fear
Here's my 2cents for Fanatic. IMO Mushi is a better player than the rest, but he is not a good leader, lack of communication skills is what killing them, Jimmy was trying to build a better understanding and he is the bridge between every players, so Mushi should cooperate with Jimmy more, draft out their plans and thoughts, let Jimmy deliver it to others, this could work, i dont know, im just a dog with keyboard.
Fnatic's English communication is too clumsy. Mushi should reform his team as an all-Malaysian-Chinese team
KamijoSan english is not their 1st language but its the only way to communicate. mushi can speak well in chinese but his foreign teammates wont understand him at all.
Mushi already said that English is nit their problem anymore. Watch it again
Michael Manaig it may be enough for game communication. But what about daily communication?
KamijoSan How about when raven talk to jimmy even for a while? Mushi's presence scared them to voice out so...
KamijoSan its not about language barrier.. Its all about attitude and team-player
Wtf is wrong with mushi.?
all he want is to be perfect and win i guess
mushit
Asshole in real life
Look like Jimmy(Demon) wants to go Liquid coz he is watching liquid fb page in this documentary
i think mushi is the problem with the team. Old school dota doesnt work now
3 old school players, but these two pinoy kids arent that good.
i think mushi is the real problem
nice logic blame it to pinoys just like watching a 2k scrub game
puppey is still doing great
You gotta be at his level to feel his pressure btw haha
48:40 mushi is going crazy from the 2 pinoy voices ahahahhaha look his facial expression
thanks for the upload!
50:01 mushi "i have to wait for my mother" i cried for youtube subtitles
Sumail: Its getting naughty in here guys.
Make me fucking laugh😂😂
NOW I KNEW WHY YAMATEH HATED MUSHIT
This is why 343 ,Dj and Midone left the team.
Is it just me or is fear just really /comfy/ looking. I feel safe whenever he comes on screen. I want fear to read me a bed time story.
"never!! never ever in my life..." respect sumail
Who's here after Blacklist Rivalry announced Mushi as their interim coach for the upcoming ESL One Kuala Lumpur 2023? 19:30, the iconic line of Mushi to Eyyou and Raven, "Just go upstairs."
This video comesback to my feed and Mushit attitude is all i remember. I hope he changed for the better.
Damn, two different teams. Two different captains. Two different reactions and mind set.
57:07 funniest s part of the whole series 😂
demon did his best in fnatic like what he did in TNC ......... mushi no positive vibe too much arrogant !
come back to europe fnatic !!!
JImmy's leaderships is a lot greater than Mushi.
Hi sir host...dilim naman nyan
What a great series so far. In FNATIC, i only observe is mushi's discipline, the way he discipline his teammates etc. For me it is a great idea to discipline your team, they laugh, crack some jokes etc. While in EG, they are brothers.
discipline? more like blaming. mushi is garbage not really a good leader
37:26 True definition of toxic. with the added sarcasm, mushit really is the whole package. gl on winning the tournaments
42:08 mushii responsibility 😂😂😅😅🎉🎉
Arteezy seems so smoked up all the time lol
1 major problem with team Fnatic is language barrier.
daum who is the girl at 16:02? hard to tell from the quality but from here she looks fine
Eyyou's face and voice really doesn't match
Virgiawan Yuska lmafo
27:46 "No we're praising your batrider in tagalog "
Gold bruh!
I'm in this episode :D 56:19 I'm the guy with the poster on the right side
Mushi just didnt know how to lead the team. Blaming everyone and talk shit. With that attitude, the team is going nowhere. I think i've lose mushi's respect from now on
37:35 best highlight
wow .. team EG and their manager are so considerate... Respect !
56:14 dendi ask for a signature ? xD
It's not him
Jimmy be like: I'll draft now 😂😂
so hard to be on team fnatic
all i can say about this is Mushi is giving raven and eyyouu the best lesson in their carriers . they should be glad to be able to play with mushi , im not defending him but the things he said actually have sense ,and its about being a real pro player. by that you need to be able too take the pressures . by experiencing this i think they themselves realizes that if they look at it on the positive side instead of taking it personallly . and i guess being with mushi even for a short period of time gave raven a lot . he's still learning and growing at time and he is also young so playing with another team with different nationality and away frowm home must have been so musch pressure already , but look at him now .. the experience he had with mushi gave him something that pushed him to be one of the best carry in sea ryt now . this must have been a wrong move but still it is worth .
get mushi out pls..let he join another team..leading malaysia team with that negative attitute?oh my wr are in deep shit
@Tidehunter Plays Do You Main TideHunter?
I know you're here after TNC announced Mushi as coach for the qualifiers, don't lie 🤣
Here to watch what would happen to Gabbi and Armel.
pray for gabbi & armel
Based on the opinions on Fnatic. I feel like Mushi is like a harsh teacher that parents send thier kids to. But how they turn out will still go back to him. Imagine if the 4 of them becomes like Mushi. The way he say things and do stuff. I think it will be chaotic. Even parents won't agree with that
Jimmy is a good leader man, and he really stepped in because he saw something was wrong with their team...
Guys what is the piece of musics name in the last 2 minutes?
cr1t and artour are such a cute couple XD
Dont blame Mushi, just try to be in his skin. Lots of proud in him and when you are not where you want to be, it can hurt, like hell. And his getting older, so his chance of getting championship cup is getting smaller and smaller, you can feel lots of pleasure on his back. So dont shit on something you cant understand.
What an attitude Mushi. pissed me off.
34:00
drafting- mushi to demon "if you can."
heck, this one too "Im mushi. Im their idol" (not verbatim)
Communication is not really the problem, your ego is
24:42 sumail is like bacon is life :D
you know when having a true sight like this , then having 2 professional team are been watched for all dota fan , you all can see how attitude from the SEA server even 6k-7k MMR and the attitude from EUROPE or America side there.
I love Fnatic's Analyst
Slacks is like this guy that's trying to be funny by being mean but he always makes the situation so awkward... he sometimes don't know what to do after that...
Dude Sumail is so funny how he always calls Fear 'Fear' when he talks to him
Mushi's hero act starts at 37:00,enjoy
56:34
- Serious faces
SumaiL: :|
- Happy Faces
SumaiL: :|
- Silly Faces
SumaiL: :|
lol
What I wish this christmas? I wanna High Five Mushi. Well, right on his face. D*mbF**k!
Mushi's problem is he only thinks of himself. He thinks that everyone needs to think and do only what he thinks and does. and if its even slightly different, its only wrong, it can never be "less right"
Thank you Tide.... ur my hero..
Yamateh was right 4Head
Its actually interesting to see the difference between those two teams.
The Next Kiev Major video documentary should be Team OG and Team Liquid/Digital Chaos
I really interest the old Mushi....and I can see Mushi are the people who are can't accept people opinion sometimes.... and he need to realise that his leadership nowadays making Fnatic more down...Experience is not the requirement to be a leadership in Dota but its about communication and teamwork
I'm wondering if the making of this documentary indirectly affects fnatic's performance. You know like sometimes people tend to overreact their emotions and became overly conscious of their behaviours in front of camera.
Mushi is not a good leader to Fnatic..even the mistake of his team..he blame us..if u are a leader of ur team u are always friendly and understanding to ur team..because u cant win if u are not understanding to be a good captain.
Who are these two filipino guys on the team?
I just keep skipping on EG's part and keep laughing at Mushi HAHAHAHH. I feel bad for TNC if Mushi brings this kind of energy to the team for being coach.
Its a good strategy for other teams ahahaha
mushi- i will be very positive (Right NOw)
Demon - Oh shit what did i just say XD 33 : 40
is polo of finatic and raven of tnc is one
raven is polo. raven/polo, demon, eyyou/nico
Bigbow Littlebow polo and raven are the same person. His username was polo til he changed it to raven. If you here "Nico", that is eyyou. that's the support guy alongside jimmy aka demon
Mushi the 'negativeman'
I like how mushi's grandmother casually cheering
I get the hate on Mushi, when I first watched the series I got really annoyed with him, but when I re watched it, I realized the last few minutes after they lost he actually handled it really really well, doesn't mean he was not out of line at other times, still it made me see him in a different light.
this mushi really fucked me up bro!!!
Fnactic > dam serious .. EG> CALLing each other fkers .. and trolling around LOL
Tan Yongqing fear: "don't call me a fucker, you fucker" hahaha
Mushi : "I'll be very very positive... right now"
Mushi : "Can you draft the rest of the game ? I'm not in the best condition to draft right now"
it's confirmed bois being positive is not the best condition for mushi
WELCOME MUSHI TO TNC OR ARE YOU? 😂
when someone is making demon look non toxic you know they are crazy toxic.
The secret of a Strong team is a Friendship
7:50
Well I just knew it to make list of draft (ban and pick) need a excel software.
That mushi, is the bad vibes in the team
37:42 Mushi's toxicity bruh 🤮 He said he will be more sensitive to his actions because he is their "IDOL" yet even a single high five cant give lol -.- and the sarcasm with the "Nice Speech" and claps lol
4:22 what is ana doing there??