Old surveyor here. 1) Get a solid bolt down mount for the laser. 2) Repeatability of the laser, is dependent on the internal suspension, of the laser element. Specifications, should have come with the laser. 3) Your laser setup, in the center of the work area, is correct. 4) Spindly tripod, is only for the camera, otherwise, pitch it in the refuse bin. You are doing great, just keep cross checking. For determining the squareness of your form work, a tape measure, calculator and permanent pin, at the bow, or stern, to measure from are your best friends. Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
You're commitment to precision will pay off in the end results! Enjoying every minute of your efforts.....stay true to your convictions and don't be discouraged....press on!
I can already see you sailing that beatiful creation. A man with a passion is nothing but joy to watch. This will be a great insight and a documentary for future boat builders. Hat off for a fellow earthling. Be blessed with a great life!
All your hard work (and fighting with the cold) is paying off now. The foundation is looking good and don't worry about the small hickup in leveling as sometimes its hard to see the wood from the trees, if you know what I mean.Cheers Ian
Hey Panu - you are making exciting progress. You are quite rightly seeking to work and achieve exacting standards. It may however be worth checking the laser level specifications for tolerance. Also when checking level (fore and aft), placing the laser amidships on the centre line will minimise (rather than amplify) any error. Keep up the good work.😀👍⛵️
Such a pleasure to watch you work and see how you think. Your steadfast desire for precision in boat building is uncanny and certainly not the norm however, I believe as others do, that it will pay off in the long run as your design, its measurements and tolerances in your drawings will be maintained throughout the build. A great way to start off your actual build. Additionally, your boat design is much bigger and more square meters than I had imagined so far. You are building a large and comfortable live aboard sailing vessel. Watching it sail out of the Black Sea will be something to behold, a real achievement. I look forward to your future videos..... Joe
Fantastic! I just went through this exact issue with a sawmill. Fortunately in plane is more important than in plane AND level when slabbing wood. We bought a smaller, sturdy tripod for macrophotography that has the crank up head. Don’t forget when you switch to an eye-level stick, keeping plumb is where that millimeter variation creeps in… You are doing great. Loved watching you pop those pieces out of neatly stored 4x8 sheets.
If you always have concerns about the accuracy of the horizontal laser, as an architect you will certainly know surveyors who can measure the device in comparison. Great video as always!
My boat was built last year and is 4.3 metres long. As I fitted her interior I found her to be 20mm out of square and it is so difficult to see. So 1mm is amazing but at each stage check because inaccuracy builds as you build. There is a saying if it looks right it is right. I am as excited waiting for her to grow. Great video.
I just bought a laser myself and noticed the accuracy possible with these. Mine is a Bosch Quigo Green 2nd Generation and has a accuracy of 0.6 mm per meter. Meaning it could be 6 mm on 10 m or 9 mm on 15 m. The Bosch cost me 85 € here in Germany. And these things also have a max distance like 10 or 15 m depending on the model. The more expensive ones off course have a higher accuracy and distance. Also a classic water level has usually an accuracy of 1 mm per meter. The most accurate will be a hose water level which can be very easily made by yourself with an transparent hose of 15 or 20 mm (bigger will be better as the friction of the water on the hose is reduced. The air pressure will level the water precisely no matter which distance you're measuring. You can fix one end at the highest spot. Takes a bit longer as the water in the hose needs to calm down after moving to each new point. But there's no better solution for small budget on big distances.
There is a method for checking the accuracy of a laser level. Place it close to one wall in your workshop and make a mark on the exterior wall and the opposite wall as far away as you can. Then move the laser across the whole workshop, close to the mark you made on the far wall and set it level with that mark and turn it on. if the laser line on the mark you made first across the workshop doesn’t lineup then your laser is out of level. You can also check it with a clear plastic tube filled with water. My advice would be to set it in the center of the footprint of the boat, and don’t move it while you are leveling. Enjoying this build please keep it coming!
Thanks! I’ll check that at some point. Although I’m now pretty sure that the level is good. I moved the laser to either end to the boat and adjusted it to my line. I also turned the laser around to make sure that the “beam direction” doesn’t vary. So far so good. 😊
Did you considered using a water level? Just a long clear thin plastic tube full of coloured water, and when the water settles, where the meniscus is at one end it will be at the same hight at the other, easy to google checking levels with water in a pipe. fiy the great pyramid of Giza was believed to have had its base levelled in this way, and from memory (may be wrong) scientists calculated the on the day the base was levelled, there was a 4 mile an hour wind blowing, which blew the water out of level, due to the fact the base is slightly out of true. Best wishes in your endeavours, i look forwards to future episodes :)
Panu, congratulations on the new patrons! How many now? I'm impressed with the precision you are taking. Very much looking forward to the boat starting to be being built up from the floor.
Thanks! There’s 34 active patrons at the moment. It of course varies when people come and go. I really appreciate all of current and past (and future!) supporters!
Set your laser level as level as you think you can. Then mark the horizontal lines on you walls projected by the laser level. It doesn't matter then if the level is moved or even if it appears to not be level as long as it is projecting on the four lines on the walls everything is in exactly the same plane. Also second advantage of doing this is as your boat grows in size and you are working at a different height all you need to do is draw lines on your walls parallel to the original lines at the required height offset and then work from the new datum lines. Of course check the walls are reasonably vertiical.
Great work, hope you are recovering well after operation!) pls consider adjust bending of perpendicular pieces(which are not supported now), bending will affect outbound accuracy of hull)
Hi! Thanks, operation went well 🙂 The bend in those pieces went mostly away when I screwed them firmly to the foundations. Will be seen maybe in next video ☺️
I agree that a water tube level would be more accurate, a fraction of a degree in the laser will make a significant error over the length of your boat, the old ways are often the best. Good luck, please keep up the good work.
Don't worry that much Panu. When heeling in some choppy seas, the few off level mm will seem like a joke 😊. However, inside the boat, accommodations need to look straight to the eye. Right angles must be right... regardless of the hull shape. I used to learn the hard way how to keep "vertical" and "horizontal" references whenever the harbour master kept moving us around the boatyard throughout the refurbishing years
😍☀️ it may be a little warmer there. Currently +2°C and raining slush. (Water raining something between water and snow. Cold and still makes everything soaked.)
@@ArcticSeaCamel man, you've made it through the winter, spring is starting, the worst part is over, enjoy and start mixing epoxy!!!! haahaha, cheers mate!!!
These videos are getting better and better from production perspctive, this one had a proper dramatic structure, you captured the frustration and then the happiness very well. I would recheck the cameras focus setting, however, many times you are out of focus, when you hold it handheld, which is a shame. The focus area might be set to center. Assuming this cam has focus areas. All in all, I absolutelly dig this build now for long time, this year started with some setbacks, but seeing the boat on the floor is so satisfying, what a beauty!
I have been watching for some months and for some reason thought your name was Bono! I stand corrected. I just wanted to throw in the reminder not to put fasteners that will need to be removed later in a location where access will be blocked or at least a contingency if necessary. I am sure you have already considered this.
I had exactly the same issue with a Bosch laser level I used for some floor levelling. Every time I set it up the plane changed. I don't trust them anymore.
Looking really good, keep up the good work. I was just going to suggest a channel to watch. Not that you need help, maybe you can learn from their mistakes. Ran Sailing, they are building a 50 foot boat. The only difference is their building upside down on strong back. Again looking real good.
Have you made a video explaining the assembly process yet? I'm confused as to what you are actually mounting on the floor there. Are you going to have a flat deck on your boat? No shear line curvature? Please point me to the video that explains the overall vision of assembly. Love the content no matter my limited boat knowledge. -✌🏽
I hope so too. The shed has good insulation underneath the floor so that ground shouldn’t be that much frozen beneath there. Also there has been good amount of snow this winter to prevent ground from freezing.
Why don't you put an exhaust system on the heater and direct the exhaust gases out, alternatively you put the heater outside and direct the hot air in?
you have left very little space between the floor and your construction, I wonder how you will lift and turn it once hull is rendered. is there sufficient space for strapping to go under it?
Ddi you move the laser during the leveling process? If you move the laser to another spot on the concrete you will have the laser on a different height as well.
Just a thought at 14:13 it can be straight without being level…. The laser beam is going to be strait even if it is not necessarily level… ok so you said that 10 seconds later ;-). Just ignore me , nothing to see here, oops… :-)
What is the accuracy of the laser over one metre? My laser had an accuracy of 0.9 mm and in the sequence of 6 sections there was a deviation of 14 mm. This would not have happened with a precise device.
It was user error. The camera stand was crooked somehow and the laser didn’t balance properly. The laser beam gets a bit wider with distance but error there is like 0,5 to 2mm.
Put the laser level at one end of the building (A) and mark the level on a stick close to the laser and on a stick at the other end of the building (B). Then move the laser to the other end of the building (B), adjust it to strike the laser at thee line you marked already when the laser was shooting from the other end (A). Now the laser should point at this line and at the line at the point A. If it is not the laser is of.....
That is SO annoying when instruments don't work as they should... Get a refund on the laser level. If it's a self leveling laser, it should not matter how you mount it as it should always project the beam on a level plane.
Old surveyor here.
1) Get a solid bolt down mount for the laser.
2) Repeatability of the laser, is dependent on the internal suspension, of the laser element. Specifications, should have come with the laser.
3) Your laser setup, in the center of the work area, is correct.
4) Spindly tripod, is only for the camera, otherwise, pitch it in the refuse bin.
You are doing great, just keep cross checking.
For determining the squareness of your form work, a tape measure, calculator and permanent pin, at the bow, or stern, to measure from are your best friends.
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
You're commitment to precision will pay off in the end results! Enjoying every minute of your efforts.....stay true to your convictions and don't be discouraged....press on!
So tedious to get the base and early layers in place. Next is to prevent variance from creeping in. Great job, and I have the first view😀
Behave yourself one and a half mm over 15m is fantastic, even NASA couldn’t achieve such an accurate layout. A very big well done.
I can already see you sailing that beatiful creation. A man with a passion is nothing but joy to watch. This will be a great insight and a documentary for future boat builders. Hat off for a fellow earthling. Be blessed with a great life!
All your hard work (and fighting with the cold) is paying off now. The foundation is looking good and don't worry about the small hickup in leveling as sometimes its hard to see the wood from the trees, if you know what I mean.Cheers Ian
Great to see such accuracy and perfection. You have every right to be excited
Absolutely tremendous to see your levelling design working so well. The boat looks great when you see it laid out.
Hey Panu - you are making exciting progress. You are quite rightly seeking to work and achieve exacting standards. It may however be worth checking the laser level specifications for tolerance. Also when checking level (fore and aft), placing the laser amidships on the centre line will minimise (rather than amplify) any error. Keep up the good work.😀👍⛵️
The worlds largest model boat kit :-)
Such a pleasure to watch you work and see how you think. Your steadfast desire for precision in boat building is uncanny and certainly not the norm however, I believe as others do, that it will pay off in the long run as your design, its measurements and tolerances in your drawings will be maintained throughout the build. A great way to start off your actual build. Additionally, your boat design is much bigger and more square meters than I had imagined so far. You are building a large and comfortable live aboard sailing vessel. Watching it sail out of the Black Sea will be something to behold, a real achievement. I look forward to your future videos..... Joe
Fantastic! I just went through this exact issue with a sawmill. Fortunately in plane is more important than in plane AND level when slabbing wood. We bought a smaller, sturdy tripod for macrophotography that has the crank up head. Don’t forget when you switch to an eye-level stick, keeping plumb is where that millimeter variation creeps in…
You are doing great. Loved watching you pop those pieces out of neatly stored 4x8 sheets.
If you always have concerns about the accuracy of the horizontal laser, as an architect you will certainly know surveyors who can measure the device in comparison.
Great video as always!
My boat was built last year and is 4.3 metres long. As I fitted her interior I found her to be 20mm out of square and it is so difficult to see. So 1mm is amazing but at each stage check because inaccuracy builds as you build. There is a saying if it looks right it is right. I am as excited waiting for her to grow. Great video.
Brilliant work Panu - I cant tell you how impressed I am with your approach and progress. Keep up the good work!!
Music was exceptional today. Thank you.
Amazing work Panu! You should check to see if the floor moves around with temperature ;)
That’s why I have the adjustable bolts there…
You are impressing a bunch of us out here.
Amazing work!! Your level of precision is out of this world!!!!
I just bought a laser myself and noticed the accuracy possible with these. Mine is a Bosch Quigo Green 2nd Generation and has a accuracy of 0.6 mm per meter. Meaning it could be 6 mm on 10 m or 9 mm on 15 m. The Bosch cost me 85 € here in Germany. And these things also have a max distance like 10 or 15 m depending on the model. The more expensive ones off course have a higher accuracy and distance. Also a classic water level has usually an accuracy of 1 mm per meter. The most accurate will be a hose water level which can be very easily made by yourself with an transparent hose of 15 or 20 mm (bigger will be better as the friction of the water on the hose is reduced. The air pressure will level the water precisely no matter which distance you're measuring. You can fix one end at the highest spot. Takes a bit longer as the water in the hose needs to calm down after moving to each new point. But there's no better solution for small budget on big distances.
There is a method for checking the accuracy of a laser level. Place it close to one wall in your workshop and make a mark on the exterior wall and the opposite wall as far away as you can. Then move the laser across the whole workshop, close to the mark you made on the far wall and set it level with that mark and turn it on. if the laser line on the mark you made first across the workshop doesn’t lineup then your laser is out of level. You can also check it with a clear plastic tube filled with water. My advice would be to set it in the center of the footprint of the boat, and don’t move it while you are leveling. Enjoying this build please keep it coming!
Thanks! I’ll check that at some point. Although I’m now pretty sure that the level is good. I moved the laser to either end to the boat and adjusted it to my line. I also turned the laser around to make sure that the “beam direction” doesn’t vary.
So far so good. 😊
Did you considered using a water level? Just a long clear thin plastic tube full of coloured water, and when the water settles, where the meniscus is at one end it will be at the same hight at the other, easy to google checking levels with water in a pipe. fiy the great pyramid of Giza was believed to have had its base levelled in this way, and from memory (may be wrong) scientists calculated the on the day the base was levelled, there was a 4 mile an hour wind blowing, which blew the water out of level, due to the fact the base is slightly out of true. Best wishes in your endeavours, i look forwards to future episodes :)
Not really. Too slow and cumbersome.
Looking great 👍
I really like what you have achieved in building your yacht, hopefully 1 day I will be able to come and visit you.
Awesome system !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT looks also perfect Panu wel done man
Panu, congratulations on the new patrons! How many now? I'm impressed with the precision you are taking. Very much looking forward to the boat starting to be being built up from the floor.
Thanks! There’s 34 active patrons at the moment. It of course varies when people come and go. I really appreciate all of current and past (and future!) supporters!
As I watched your results I shivered along with you, beautiful!
Set your laser level as level as you think you can. Then mark the horizontal lines on you walls projected by the laser level. It doesn't matter then if the level is moved or even if it appears to not be level as long as it is projecting on the four lines on the walls everything is in exactly the same plane.
Also second advantage of doing this is as your boat grows in size and you are working at a different height all you need to do is draw lines on your walls parallel to the original lines at the required height offset and then work from the new datum lines. Of course check the walls are reasonably vertiical.
Great work, hope you are recovering well after operation!) pls consider adjust bending of perpendicular pieces(which are not supported now), bending will affect outbound accuracy of hull)
Hi! Thanks, operation went well 🙂
The bend in those pieces went mostly away when I screwed them firmly to the foundations. Will be seen maybe in next video ☺️
Excellent progress! Your patience with the process is impressive.
Panu, one of the best boat projects ou youtube. One man job!!!!
Thanks! 🥰
Surely the level will change if you move the laser, it depends where you put it. Pick ONE spot and mark it, always use that spot.
You can check the laser accuracy with a water level at the longest distance you are able to
I agree that a water tube level would be more accurate, a fraction of a degree in the laser will make a significant error over the length of your boat, the old ways are often the best. Good luck, please keep up the good work.
Don't worry that much Panu. When heeling in some choppy seas, the few off level mm will seem like a joke 😊.
However, inside the boat, accommodations need to look straight to the eye. Right angles must be right... regardless of the hull shape.
I used to learn the hard way how to keep "vertical" and "horizontal" references whenever the harbour master kept moving us around the boatyard throughout the refurbishing years
Great job Panu, regards from Buenos Aires!!!!
😍☀️ it may be a little warmer there. Currently +2°C and raining slush. (Water raining something between water and snow. Cold and still makes everything soaked.)
@@ArcticSeaCamel man, you've made it through the winter, spring is starting, the worst part is over, enjoy and start mixing epoxy!!!! haahaha, cheers mate!!!
These videos are getting better and better from production perspctive, this one had a proper dramatic structure, you captured the frustration and then the happiness very well.
I would recheck the cameras focus setting, however, many times you are out of focus, when you hold it handheld, which is a shame. The focus area might be set to center. Assuming this cam has focus areas.
All in all, I absolutelly dig this build now for long time, this year started with some setbacks, but seeing the boat on the floor is so satisfying, what a beauty!
Hi Panu,I saw you in very good spirits today 👍
Genius!
Great progress 👍🏻
Nice one.. the brand name of that laser level must be Perkele.. it's the only thing that makes sense..😉🙂👍
😂
Congrats! Perfect is just a hair out of swuare😊
I have been watching for some months and for some reason thought your name was Bono! I stand corrected. I just wanted to throw in the reminder not to put fasteners that will need to be removed later in a location where access will be blocked or at least a contingency if necessary. I am sure you have already considered this.
That's probably why he put the screws in the side and not the middle
Yep, I’m trying to check the screw locations. Probably there will be some in wrong places though 🤣
Congrats
I had exactly the same issue with a Bosch laser level I used for some floor levelling. Every time I set it up the plane changed. I don't trust them anymore.
Looking really good, keep up the good work. I was just going to suggest a channel to watch. Not that you need help, maybe you can learn from their mistakes. Ran Sailing, they are building a 50 foot boat. The only difference is their building upside down on strong back. Again looking real good.
Watching them closely! And I’ve learn a lot from them already regarding the strip planking, laminating and fairing to name a few. 😊
Have you made a video explaining the assembly process yet? I'm confused as to what you are actually mounting on the floor there. Are you going to have a flat deck on your boat? No shear line curvature? Please point me to the video that explains the overall vision of assembly.
Love the content no matter my limited boat knowledge.
-✌🏽
Check the video couple of episodes ago. I explained with the 3D model what I’m doing here
good progress
all levels need to be checked for calibration. One can not assume that they are accurate. Any measuring tool needs to be calibrated for accuracy.
I hope the floor in your shed doesn’t move when Spring set in.
I hope so too. The shed has good insulation underneath the floor so that ground shouldn’t be that much frozen beneath there. Also there has been good amount of snow this winter to prevent ground from freezing.
Has the camera stand you used got a magnetic pad that interferes with the laser level?
No magnets there.
Why don't you put an exhaust system on the heater and direct the exhaust gases out, alternatively you put the heater outside and direct the hot air in?
Yes plan is to put exhaust outside. If that just was that simple with this tent…
you have left very little space between the floor and your construction, I wonder how you will lift and turn it once hull is rendered. is there sufficient space for strapping to go under it?
Yes there’s enough room to lift it up eventually. 😊
Panu. Make sure your laser is mot set in a foxed mode but is actually floating.
Ddi you move the laser during the leveling process? If you move the laser to another spot on the concrete you will have the laser on a different height as well.
Not during one session. You may notice that my measuring block had several lines on it. I did a new one each time.
You should do old school, use water level. Never get wrong
too slow and tedious
@@ArcticSeaCamel yeah it’s taking time…
Perfect :)
cool
Just a thought at 14:13 it can be straight without being level…. The laser beam is going to be strait even if it is not necessarily level… ok so you said that 10 seconds later ;-). Just ignore me , nothing to see here, oops… :-)
😝
What is the accuracy of the laser over one metre? My laser had an accuracy of 0.9 mm and in the sequence of 6 sections there was a deviation of 14 mm. This would not have happened with a precise device.
It was user error. The camera stand was crooked somehow and the laser didn’t balance properly.
The laser beam gets a bit wider with distance but error there is like 0,5 to 2mm.
Shifting the laser may be the issue. 😊
Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😁😁😁😁😁🤓😎🤯🥳💯💃🕺
She is looking "YAR"
Hi pano your better with a fixed base on the laser and not bendy feet
Put the laser level at one end of the building (A) and mark the level on a stick close to the laser and on a stick at the other end of the building (B). Then move the laser to the other end of the building (B), adjust it to strike the laser at thee line you marked already when the laser was shooting from the other end (A). Now the laser should point at this line and at the line at the point A. If it is not the laser is of.....
Brilliant, thanks!
@@ArcticSeaCamel Thanks, and if so, the laser is of by half the distance between the laser shooting now at A and the first initial line at A. Get it 🙂
Use an Egyptian water level.
The build should pick up pace now
Interesting project - but wrong material! You haven't heard about or seen the latest trends; it's called aluminum!
Good luck!🎉
Nah, aluminum is too cold to handle. 🤪
That is SO annoying when instruments don't work as they should... Get a refund on the laser level.
If it's a self leveling laser, it should not matter how you mount it as it should always project the beam on a level plane.
Yeah. I think it was user error after all… fortunately. 😇