The speakers in the LR are FAR superior to the RWD version - it's absolutely amazing!! Stalks don't make any difference - you soon get used to it - as Elon says, the best part is no part I love the Highland, but waiting for maybe Juniper but definitely the Model 2
@@tdtesla thanks for the comment. I think it really depends on where you live in the world. I think if you live in the USA honestly, the indicators are not a problem at all as most driving is straight and then just a left or right turn. however, in European countries like the UKUK, we have so many small and mini roundabouts linked together that the target is always moving and the buttons then change orientation from left right to side-by-side to upside down so it is a bit more tricky here.
@@MBrownAnd it's not just roundabouts. Many roads, in many countries, are curved, so the wheel is turned when you have to indicate into another road. The US must have most of its roads in grid patterns.
I am so sick of people complaining about the stalks. I have no problem, I think it's futuristic. Like anything do it enough and it becomes muscle memory. If people don't like it then don't buy. As soon as Highland performance is available in United States I'm buying it!! Stealth Grey black interior. My first EV.
haha not everyone can adapt to new tech very well. I m ok with it but i think a lot arent. The real problem is they havent even try driving it for a while to know.
In the USA I don’t think stalks are a problem as you don’t have a huge amount of roundabouts. You primarily drive straight indicate left or right so it’s easy and a non issues. In Europe we have these so you have to legally indicate when the wheel could be outside down, to the side etc
Brillent Review Mark , many thanks for posting. Just ordered and paid for my new model 3 today & now just waiting for delivery date confirmation. Thank you so much again for your top review. Tesla are lucky to have you reviewing their cars.
Great video Mark, really enjoyed it! Totally with you re. the stalks, I think it's a huge backward step. I was holding off buying a M3 until the refreshed model came out, and now that it has, I'm afraid the lack of stalks is a deal breaker. I'm so disappointed because it's such a beautiful car. I guess my choices are either wait for a retrofit to become available (apparently there's a company already working on this) or go with the current Model Y. But great video! 🙂
I took the Highland for a test drive (got a Model 3 LR) & I had no problems with the indicators being on the wheel at all - I agree with Mark - go for a test drive! The car is absolutely awesome
@@exaturbo we want it fitted from factory. No one is going to dismantle their dashboards to fit 3rd party hardware that should have been installed from factory
Great review Mark. You’re exactly right with the stalks. Yes you can get use to it, yes it’s not a dealbreaker but it’s not an improvement. If you don’t live in the US, this will be a pain. No USS is also not an improvement (at least for now).
If Tesla brings steer by wire to the Model 3 that may help with the turn signal buttons, since it reduces how much you have to turn the steering wheel.
Yes, the indicators on the steering wheel for me is a dealbreaker, I just can’t understand how people say you’ll get used to them because it’s physically completely impossible to use them safely as far as I’m concerned. You either don’t indicate or take your eyes off the road and fumble around for the buttons half way around a roundabout, both situations putting pedestrians and cyclists in particular at risk.
Hey, yes absolutely it’s a lot better compared to my 2021 Tesla model three I really like the door sounds of opening and closing sounds much more like a BMW or a Volkswagen. My current model three back doors sound like tin when you close them 😊
i test drove this for an hour and went around several roundabouts. it's a slight annoyance sure, but if you cross your right hand over the wheel and grab it where the indicators are before beginning the turn, then just pull the wheel into position, your hand is already where it needs to be to indicate out, and it become second nature. knowing which button to press is also easy too - as with a stalk, the correct button is always going to be the one corresponding to the direction you're about to turn the wheel. in the end i felt that the buttons are superior for 99% of driving situations, with that 1% being right turns at roundabouts.
the problem is most people don't wanna accept new thing and not willing to try. People like to stick to whatever they are familiar with. It is not that hard to adapt, i been driving it for a month+ i feel it is easier and more comfortable.
Hey, thanks for the comment, but that’s not the case here when we have a roundabout as the steering wheel turns up the buttons are no longer right is up and left us down at the top right is right and left is left and then when the wheel turns upside down, they actually reverse the placement, so it’s it’s quite hard to work out where they are and obviously each roundabout is different in size, so the buttons can be completely different place every time
Great review! No stalks sucks because it's low-key kinda satisfying with the feedback you get from it while driving. I'd only consider the new model 3 if they added it back it tbh.
Yea, the buttons for indicators are a stupid idea. We have lots of round abouts in Canada as well. I completely agree with your comment that the buttons are not an improvement. I think is just like the lack of physical buttons for HVAC controls. Yes, you can get used to them, but is it an improvement? No. Will we have to put up with it so that car companies can eek out more profit because there are less parts? yes.
You don't need to initiate a turn single for a roundabout it's right of way. No need to let people know which exit you're taking. 😂 also in the states you're required to turn the signal on 100 feet before the turn so there shouldn't be an issue with the signals on the wheel.
@@gveresUW no problem for me as i been driving it for more than 1 month, i feel the button is better than using stalk. My country doesnt have all this small mini roundabout than again if you drive it for a while you will know where to press the button because the turning position of your steering wheel should be around the same for those roundabout.. is not like a random thing that will it be in different position when you always go the same roundabout.
I own a 2021 Model 3, and I am so glad mine has a proper turn signal and stalk for gear selection. What a horrible idea to remove that and replace it with a button. People forget to use their turn signals enough already, which causes many accidents. Changing the functionality will make this problem even worse. The reason auto designers went with the stalk is because it is ALWAYS IN THE SAME PLACE. That's important. Horrid idea by Tesla to remove the turn signal stalk. +1 for the blind spot lights, -5 for the turn signal.
Hey, thanks for the comment yes that’s the thing for me. The car is almost perfect so it’s such a shame they had to remove this little tiny piece which makes a big difference.
@@RichieLanderos it’s in the context of a roundabout with multiple exits, where you have to press the signal button at the right time while the wheel is in a rotated position
No rear cross traffic alert, and awful indicators now. Plus switching from reverse to forward is a pain, you have to take your eyes off the road, not safe. What used to be one of their best features is now one of their worst. Being able to throw the stalk into drive without coming to a complete stalk was a joy. These are deal breakers for me. Tesla needs to get their act together before I buy another.
Would love if the car automatically switched the indicator for you on a roundabout when the nav knows where you’re going. That would go a long way to fixing the indicator issue and could be done with software.
Actually, do you know what would be an even better way to resolve the no stalk issue ????? Don’t remove them in the first place… Musk is so DUMB 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yeah, that would be a good idea and it’s a shame Tesla didn’t foresee this small issue and plan for it. That’s kind of what I meant in the video by this not being an improvement, I love improvements and things changing if it makes things easier and faster. And that’s the problem this isn’t easier or faster
Hi, I own Highland RWD for 2 weeks and about 5000 kilometers ( I had to visit 15 places across Poland). After 2 weeks I tried to drive my old car and I couldn't turn the indicators correctly, it was much worse than trying tesla Highland for the first time. My conclusion is that tesla stalksless system is much comfortable and better for me. You just have to give it some time which is not always possible by testing a car for a short period of time.
Thanks so much Ryan, really appreciate it! I enjoyed making this one, and loved the new car! Are you think of getting the highland or sticking with the Model Y?
Hi Mark, I too agree with you about the indicator stalks. I have no problem with forward/reverse via screen. I suppose FSD would remove the problem, the car could do the indicating, but until then it is a menace on mini roundabouts. I don't think it is a deal breaker, a well known after market supplier intends to come out with add on indicator stalks using bluetooth via the OBD port. I think Tesla would be wise to at least offer it as a UK/EU retrofit option. It's almost a case of spoiling a nice ship for a ha'poth of tar!
The no indictator stalks thing I believe is Tesla’s incremental move to steer by wire since moving your steering wheel all the way around will become unnecessary. But yes, I too prefer stalks myself. Also, the European market doesn’t need them any more than the US market needs them. We have tons of windy mountain roads, curvy freeway interchanges, and, believe it or not, roundabouts and traffic circles as well.
Thanks so much for the comment, however I tend to disagree when you’re going round a mountain Road. You don’t generally need to indicate too often or if you do you’re only going left or right once. Here in the UK. We have sometimes multiple roundabouts link together, so you may need to indicate five or six times as the wheel is spinning and your travelling 30 to 40 mph, so as I say, it’s not a dealbreaker, it’s just not an improvement of how easy it was before
First year models are nice to get, but as with all first year models, one has to accept problems that will arise the first 1-2 years until Tesla corrects them.
Yes that is always a risk with the newest model. I think the good thing here is that as it’s a refresh, there’s probably a few things that could go wrong compared to a brand brand-new model.
No I have driven the new Highlander and you quickly retrain your brain and fingers to correctly control left and right turning flashes easily once you have driven the new Tesla 3 for some hours.
Many in the UK can’t use roundabouts properly anyhow, though I agree, the lack of stalk feels the wrong decision. That said, it won’t put me off one of those when I get round to changing my current car.
Should have a selection in settings where if the steering wheel hits a certain angle or degrees the indicators flip automatically, but it’s much safer to just have stalks
I think if you live in the USA it’s a non issue as most of the roads are designed in a grid layout. In the UK we can have 3-4 roundabouts linking together so imagine finding a button that constantly moves and the button placement changes when it goes upside down
I've ruled out the model 3 due to the lack of indicators and lack of proximity sensors and 360 view. The charging infrastructure isn't enough to put up with the lack of basic usable safety features.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I can understand how you feel. For me, it’s not a dealbreaker, but it changes otherwise perfect car and does take it down slightly for me.
In the US, 2 weeks ago (2023) you could buy a new inventory M3 RWD for $11,400 less than you will pay today in 2024 (inventory pricing discount +federal incentive). That’s a lot of money to me.
Yes, great review! Only thing worth adding on the missing indicator stalk is that the existing one in the Model 3 isn't great, feels cheap and not always responsive.
Great video Mark! Cheers! I see Cybertruck reviewers commenting on the steer by wire making u-turns with only half a lock/turn of the steering wheel a low speeds. Wonder if Tesla are prepping us for steer by wire coming to the other models by removing the indicator stalks? The indicator steering wheel buttons with the reduced turn arc of the wheel would seem far more usable. Steer by wire dependent on 48v low voltage upgrade like the Cybertruck, but no doubt it's coming in the next few years.
Hey Barry, yes it would be great if we had steer by wire, I think that would make the indicators a non-issue as the wheel wouldn’t move much. Unfortunately it doesn’t really help this car 😆
Having tested it I think the stalk removal is a huge miss. I do like the new fascia, but the 10% range improvement claim is just marketing, the consumption is hardly any lower than my TMY. A big disappointement was the fact that they did not integrate a front bumper camera and HD radar. I was not wowed by the new inner light strip, I do prefer the previous wood veneer. I did like the seats, sound proofing and suspension.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment. Glad you’ve tested it out, yes I didn’t get to fully test out the range so it would be interesting to see if it is much better or not but from what you’ve said it doesn’t sound like it’s changed much. I do think even if they didn’t add back in USS, just simply adding a front bumper camera would’ve been a big plus Because you really can’t see if you’re about to hit something going forward which I really should’ve got in the video
I think after a few weeks with this car the indicators would become 2nd nature and wouldn’t be a problem once you get use to them,I really like this refresh model 3 ,the Ultra Red is 🔥,cheers fella 👍😉💪
It’s hard to know how it’ll be possible to hit the moving target of indicator buttons while negotiating roundabouts without looking down? It’s not really a matter of getting used to it. Can’t be safe and stalks are a great solution.
@@flyentityThis is the problem, no matter how used to it you are, you can NEVER avoid having to look down at the wheel to see where the buttons are, move your hands to the buttons then do a bit of mental gymnastics to make sure you press the correct button. Test driving the car didn't male me feel any more confident. I love my pre Highland Model 3 and, in Australia at least, Telsa offer the best ownership and service experience. But if I didn't already have a Model 3, I'd seriously look at a used car instead of the Highland.
@@vasil7410 you will get used to it unless you are a slow to adapt. When doing same small roundabout, the position of your steering wheel will the same most of the time, you will know where the buttons are and which to press, i been using it for a month, and i don't even need to think where to press when signaling. There is this situation where after i turn left then i need to turn right straight away into my house. So while turning left my steering is already at upside down position, so i always know the signal button will be at right side instead, n the button to signal right will the bottom one.
@@wensiangfongWhat you are describing is memorising every roundabout, every curved road and every turn you will ever drive on, then hope that you can position your hands precisely where the buttons are, without looking down at the wheel. Worst case, you still have to move your a hand to the buttons. And what happens when you drive on unfamiliar rounds or forget the hundreds of turns you would normally drive through? Sounds like an unrealistic solution to a totally unnecessary problem to start with.
Not upgrading to a new car cause the stalks aren’t ideal seems a little drastic.. I’m sure people will adjust like they did with the instrument cluster removal!
Hey, as I mentioned in the video, I think it really depends on where you live, if you’re in the USA, for example, this is really a non-issue as you primarily drive straight and indicate left or right, so it’s super easy. Here in the UK and some European countries like Italy, we have roundabouts and multiple roundabouts together, so the band are constantly spinning around moving upside down and the button could be Top or bottom left or right or up and down. And as I mentioned, it’s not a dealbreaker for me, it’s just not an improvement
Thanks Mark. Watching RSymons the model 3 highland can’t detect low object. Having cameras on my Solterra the Tesla ones don’t look too clever. A test drive will convince me one way or the another.
Completely agree with indicators - it's not an improvement at all. Also the gears, I have to parallel park almost daily so need to flick between reverse and drive and back an forth so this just seems so impractical - coming from a Tesla model 3 2021 owner.
Hey Anthony, thanks so much for the comment, honestly I don’t think the gears are too bad as the car does most of the stuff automatically. I think you’ll find parallel parking quite easy. I’d recommend taking the car for a test drive, I’ve put a link in from Tesla, so you can get a free test drive if you want one, definitely worth it in my opinion 👍
@@MBrown "automatically". Is it automatically going to stop when a cat comes in between me parallel parking then seamlessly continue when gone? is it automatically going to line up the car before? doubt it, things like this work great in a meeting room but in practise It's quite different
Thank you very much for a great video Mark! The new model 3 is just so nice, the new design looks so good and modern. I have never owned a Tesla, but this upgrade feels so right. As you say, the suspension, comfort and materials are way better than before. I tried the new Model 3 Highland once, and to be honest, I didn't think the lack of indicator stalks was an issue. Of course, in roundabouts its not optional, but the feeling without indicators stalks feels unique and modern (even if its not an improvement). I really liked the feeling. And yes, we have a lot of roundabouts in Stockholm as well 😋 Now I have to choose between standard range and long range. Thank you for your reflections on that too. 😎 It is likely that you will have around 8,000 Euros less to spend over a period, as you probably will get the money back when you sell the long range version. I would think that the value on the second-hand market corresponds to the difference in the price as new, at least in Sweden.☺ Hmm, I go for the long range!
yea, so many people complain about the stalk when they been driving it for less than 1 day... is not really a problem for mini roundabout when you been it for a while.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment and good luck with your new purchase, if you haven’t purchased it already there is a link in my description which should give you money off the car or at least some free enhanced auto pilot. I think you’re really going to enjoy this car, as I say, it’s almost perfect in every way And I wish my current 2021 Tesla model three was this quiet 😆 👍
Those indicators make it worse for us in the UK and EU on roundabouts or mini-roundabouts. With that said though, I would try one and don't think it would put me off. Good video Mark, thx 👍🏻😄 Elon's doing what Apple do.... they change things for "progress" when it really isn't and they actually want it specific for them only.
ultrasonics is pretty irrelevant for me especially since parking is parking. I just need cameras and eyes. Removing ultrasonics will cut that cost completely from the car for a function that isn't essential and make it cheaper The lack of stalk is interesting. I can get used to it. But the real solution is simply what the cybertruck has. Steer by wire. So you will never have to do a full 360 on your wheel ever again. I feel like a lot of technology from cybertruck like steer by wire will be moved to teslas existing portfolio. The designs like changing to a yoke wheel for visibility and being minimalist checks out to the pursuit of autopilot.
Take out power steering, as I've got muscles in my arms. The problem is these things are so cheap, removing a $3 piece isn't making the car cheaper for us. I agree steer by wire would be great... but it's not in this car.
While I do understand why people would have reservations about the missing indicator stock I must say I really do not understand why people make a fuss about shifting on screen. It is far from being the worst gear selector I've ever seen. In fact I found it pretty intuitive.
I had a look at the new 3 today (had a 3 and Y in the past). Was very impressed by it. But the lack of indicator stalk means I can’t buy it. Absolutely beyond ridiculous. It’s a shame EuroNCAP concentrates on stupid invasive ‘assistants’ that we all switch off rather than how safe is the user interface for the driver? Tesla would score poorly - dangerous indicators, have to look left to see the speed which, depending on your driving position, could be obscured by your arm.
Great review - thanks Mark. Got another two years on my lease, but looking forward to getting the new one. Not keen on the indicators, but everything else seems to be an big improvement. Noise is a big issue to me at speed in the 2022 model. I assume there no front bumper camera? Don't see how it can park reliably forward without one (you didn't demo parking forwards to a low obstruction). I would never pay for any of the advanced auto features from Tesla (e.g. self park, FSD) as they don't work (even automatic headlights and wipers are pretty useless in mine)
Thanks so much! Yes overall it's a nice upgrade. No camera on the front bumper which is a shame, would have improved the parking, as its quite hard to pull forward to something with no sensors.
At 100% it was only saying 248 miles, but I've never driven the SR before this one so a little hard for me to say whether its much better in terms of range.
They made a really bad mistake removing the turn signal stock. I as a Tesla shareholder and extremely concerned about this. It’s already hard enough transitioning from a regular ice vehicle to a Tesla. I say for myself, I’ll definitely be hanging onto my older model three performance, until they bring back the turn signal stock.
Yeah, that was one thing. I was a little concerned about a lot of people struggle to even open the door so imagine getting into a Tesla for the first time. If you’re not really that interested in the tech and you’re just jumping in from an old car or someone from my garage is moving your car for you they might find it quite difficult.
I jumped from a "traditional" car into my Model 3 and loved the minimalism and novelty of the Tesla. The only thing I didn't like was the speedometer on the centre screen, so I added an aftermarket HUD. But the stalkless indicator has gone to far for me too. And being such a fundamental control in the cars, I would not be comfortable with an aftermarket option. I was planning to upgrade my car to the Highland, but after experiencing no stalks, there is no way I'd make the swap.
Good review Mark. The only issue I have with parking - 2023 MY - is going front in to a space as the cameras can’t pick up anything close at ground level however I’ve always preferred to back in and the rear camera does a really good job so it’s a non issue. Indicators are an interesting one and I can’t fathom the thought process to remove the stalks but I’m sure I’d get use to the change and maybe indicate less which may or may not impact other drivers. Doesn’t seem to bother BMW drivers (!) so perhaps I’m overthinking it.
No Stalks👍👍 Not needed. Much cleaner look. Amazing that Tesla kept the price the same. Super excited to upgrade from my 2019 Model 3. Will miss my fog lights and USS though, I think!
@@MBrown Hi, I'm in the US! Just curious, why would not having stalks be different for drivers in England? It seems like many people are adjusting to stalkless better than they thought; I'm including Model S & X, drivers, too. Thanks for your thorough and honest review!
maybe Tesla could add an Indicator FSD solution. So the car will auto indicate even when not in FSD. In the US we don't signal/indicate in round a-bouts.
I agree with the indicator-bashing. However, I think you need to look to the Cybertruck, and specifically steer by wire. Max rotation is what, 170 degrees in either direction? So I think that’ll mean you’ll generally be physically be turning the wheel less, and therefore the buttons stay in the same place relative to your thumb. Would still rather have the stalk though! Its removal doesn’t *add* functionality.
Hey, yes that’s the thing if they had added stair by wire in the model three, I don’t think it would’ve been as much of an issue, however they didn’t so it is a bit of an issue in this model
Clever software could actually assist in the roundabouts - if you have navigation on and get to the roundabout, maybe an option to activate that it automatically activates and cancels out the indicators? It knows where I'm going so maybe be an option?
At 16:19 , clearly the cameras cannot detect nearby objects like the ultrasonic sensors can. In this example, there are even strongly contrasting colors, and still the TeslaVision cameras cannot get the job done. And this is 'state of the art' for 2024?
@@MBrown Agreed, but Elan has decided to remove essential sensors from the car, to increase profits at Tesla Corporation. And the car is degraded as a result.
The lack of the stalks (both of them) is a deal killer for me. It’s fashion over function and it is really dumb. I also cannot believe that Tesla still continues to not have heads-up display. Turning your head down to see the screen is often, but not always, a safety hazard. Making the decision to put the change lane warning lights near the mirrors was a good one (late in coming of course since almost every car has it now!), but no heads up display is plain stubbornness for the sake of what? Other than these things I agree it is an excellent car, but Tesla small design and safety features count!
Hey Cliff, yes I think that’s the thing with this car it’s so perfect in a lot of ways but just misses on a couple of small points. However I would certainly recommend a test drive you might not think it’s as bad as some people
I definitely agree that the stalks need to return (thank goodness the people who make the S3XY buttons have announced that they will be making aftermarket stalks for the Highland Model 3). I don't care a bit about the people in the backseat do the rear display is a complete waste. I know Tesla saves money by standardizing but it would be nice to have the option of deleting it and reducing the price of the car. I suspect Tesla has pushed for vision instead of ultrasonic because they use the data collected to improve the robot project. I am inclined to buy an older Model 3 and just have the rear door windows swapped out for the new double-glaze glass. Best of both worlds.
@@MBrown I am glad to hear that I have helped. The buttons are Bluetooth to the car and I believe they also make a multi-function rotation knob for those who like that sort of control which also connects via Bluetooth.
@@wensiangfong I agree and am seriously considering it since I am not one of those people compelled to always have "the latest & greatest" thing to arrive on the market.
We are a 2 Tesla family, 3 and Y and I love them. However, even our 2021 3 and 22 Y have compromises. The indicators on the older versions are rubbish for the UK, yes you get used to them, but they should be intuitive after decades of development. The windscreen wipers are also a compromise, again you get used to them and the update that allowed you to alter the speed with the scrolling button on the steering wheel improved things, but not as good as just having them on the stalk. The speedo to the left, again you get used to them, but a compromise nonetheless. Now, rather than improve the indicators, they’ve made them worse! A previous comment mentioned them being dangerous and they are correct. The gears are another compromise, no matter how you look at it. Gears on the stalk is actually really good and allows quick changes from forward to reverse. We also lose the ease of having the cruise control and autopilot on the stalk, again needless change for the worse. Finally, the loss of parking sensors, that you get on a Dacia, is just ridiculous! I don’t think losing the rear ones are too much of an issue, except that rear camera gets dirty and blurry in the poor weather quite quickly, but the front ones? The front camera is useless as estimating how close you are to things, as it’s on your windscreen. My lease ends in December for the 3 and at the moment, I’m looking elsewhere. Might have to compromise on range and acceleration to get a car that makes driving safe and easy again.
Hey yes I love mine too, I just feel for an amazing car with amazing tech, we shouldn't be compromising on the basics like working wipers and parking. I think if Tesla improves these small aspects we use every day it would be unbeatable
love your videos Mark - just a quick one, with the indicators, do they work with voice control? I know the same problem would occur as the new way of accessing the voice control is the button on the steering wheel but just wondered as there's only one to worry about!
Hey Nick thanks for the comment, no unfortunately there are no voice commands for the indicators... I guess it could be added in a software update but not on this one currently.
@@MBrown i thought as much! would potentially fix the issue - but would be better if you could voice activate the voice commends as per "hey siri" or "alexa!" - great review as always mate
Very thorough review, Mark. I currently own a 2020 LR mdl 3 and your review has convinced me to trade it in - taking a late March delivery. Can’t wait to hear the difference! Lol
Big Tesla fan, was excited to drive the new Model 3 but the kack of indicator stalks makes it unusable for me. Its just not safe in the UK. I can only imagine that Tesla engineers based in California didnt think to test this in Europe before approving the stalkless design
Been waiting for the updated Model 3. I like all of the improvements. However, removing the stalks (at least for the European market) is just a huge mistake. It's simply a deal breaker for me and I won't be buying a Tesla that has these turn signals. I like and am very open to change, but not stupid ones that are also related to safety.
Tesla should put out an update where if a navigation address is inputted the car will auto predict turning on your signal indicator so that you don't have to press the button.
Fair review - thanks Mark. Just got my first Tesla ('21 M3 LR) in part thanks to your reviews. Only a week in so far but I love it. I'm just down the road from you and I rely on superchargers too so maybe see you at the Trafford Centre sometime 😂
Great review and you spotted all the issues I found when I did a recent test drive. I think some improvements would be as you said, add back the stalks for indicators, also where the gear function is in the roof of the car this should light up automatically as it senses your hand. Agree that it's a great car just got to work out how to afford it 😊!
Hey, yes this is something I haven’t got a full answer for someone at Tesla told me it was hardware for and then someone else told me it was hardware 3.5 and then another person told me it was four so I’m not completely sure which one it is ha ha 😆
Great review Mark ! The car looks pretty and inside feels better too. I would think some of these features and modifications to also reflect in Model Y. So I am hanging tight when the new Model Y is available later this year.
It's a dealbreaker for me, I have to have a turn signal arm and a speedometer, and people think it's smart, but it's only about saving, that's not why you buy a car
I picked my new Model 3 up on Saturday and you soon get used to the indicators even on roundabouts and the gear change on the screen is simple. I want to get a boot mat and remember last year you promoting a particular brand. Mark could you please send me a link. Thanks Scott
Great review Mark! If it came with stalks and USS, like my 2021 model 3, I'd be ordering it now. However it doesn't so I'm going to wait and see what happens and hopefully Tesla will make a U-turn on these changes.
Hey, I agree with you, I think I would be the same if it was like my car but better in every area. It may be an upgrade for me. However I think I’m gonna wait for the next model. Y
first of all a great review very well done Mark thank you. I have a 2022 Model Y my backup cameras are always affected by rain…how are the cameras on the new Model 3? Maybe the thought process for the indicators are to prove them out for the steer by wire technology which should reduce the amount you have to turn the steering wheel? I did drive in England so I can understand the problem you face with round a bouts using the indicators. I am excited about the improved ride we have such bumpy roads in the states ride is my biggest complaint with my model “Y” but not a deal breaker. I love the new red color cannot wait to see it in person. thanks again for all your reviews I enjoy your videos a lot plus I like riding along with you enjoying the scenery,
Thanks Kenny, yes, the rain still does affect it and unfortunately it didn’t rain much at all when I was testing the car so I couldn’t really see if it affected it any worse than our current models
Also, which Model 3 did you drive lately. Maybe the models of 2018/19 had now sound damping but I can drive my current Model 3 (2022 Dec) at 100mph and it's dead quite. Every time I see a test video it comes over as if the Model 3 "Refreshed" 2022 model had bad road acoustics. It does not. It's perfectly quite. The damping on the 2024 "Refreshed" has changed making it softer over bumping roads but not as sporty. I tested the new Model to see if it was such a big refresh. It was in my opinion a down grade in some areas whilst improvement in other. For me the biggest down grade is that the car has lost it's sporty feeling. Steering now truly dead plus it's like a boat in the corners. Grandfather's sofa.
Hi, so I’ve only tested my 2021 Long range and my friends 2022 model Y. They are both quite quiet cars but honestly the jump into this new one is quite significant. They say it’s about 30% quieter. When you add the new suspension as well it does feel to me like quite a big difference but I’ve never tried the 2023 car
Regarding the indicators, I have an issue. I never can decide which button to press if I want to change the volume of music while I am turning. We in the uk have a lot of roundabouts. Musk probably is not aware of that.
I never turn on my signals in a roundabout. Because even if there is a stock and you are turning you would have to take on hand to turn the signal which is not safe anyway.
Well, when you use a steering wheel, your hand brushes past it, so you don’t really need to think about it too much. It’s illegal requirement here in the UK that you must indicate off roundabouts so it’s pretty important here
How is it possible getting 248 miles from 100% while my current RWD used to gives me 273 miles for 100% battery, after two years this has dropped to 260 miles, I thought this new one has a longer range!
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The speakers in the LR are FAR superior to the RWD version - it's absolutely amazing!!
Stalks don't make any difference - you soon get used to it - as Elon says, the best part is no part
I love the Highland, but waiting for maybe Juniper but definitely the Model 2
@@tdtesla thanks for the comment. I think it really depends on where you live in the world. I think if you live in the USA honestly, the indicators are not a problem at all as most driving is straight and then just a left or right turn. however, in European countries like the UKUK, we have so many small and mini roundabouts linked together that the target is always moving and the buttons then change orientation from left right to side-by-side to upside down so it is a bit more tricky here.
@@MBrownAnd it's not just roundabouts. Many roads, in many countries, are curved, so the wheel is turned when you have to indicate into another road. The US must have most of its roads in grid patterns.
Yes they do it’s 90% left and right turns
Tesla is literally insane for having a crappy indicator. It is a dealbreaker
I am so sick of people complaining about the stalks. I have no problem, I think it's futuristic. Like anything do it enough and it becomes muscle memory. If people don't like it then don't buy.
As soon as Highland performance is available in United States I'm buying it!! Stealth Grey black interior. My first EV.
haha not everyone can adapt to new tech very well. I m ok with it but i think a lot arent. The real problem is they havent even try driving it for a while to know.
Ironically the people who say it’s good also haven’t tried it at all 😂
In the USA I don’t think stalks are a problem as you don’t have a huge amount of roundabouts. You primarily drive straight indicate left or right so it’s easy and a non issues. In Europe we have these so you have to legally indicate when the wheel could be outside down, to the side etc
Do you indicate when exiting a roundabout?
Brillent Review Mark , many thanks for posting. Just ordered and paid for my new model 3 today & now just waiting for delivery date confirmation. Thank you so much again for your top review. Tesla are lucky to have you reviewing their cars.
Thanks so much David, that's really kind of you and massively appreciated!
If you live in the UK , can I ask you how long is the waiting list ? Thank you.
@@bengoey hey it’s pretty quick 2 months
@@bengoey Not long 2-3 Months .
@@davindertakhar3909 Thank you
Great video Mark, really enjoyed it! Totally with you re. the stalks, I think it's a huge backward step. I was holding off buying a M3 until the refreshed model came out, and now that it has, I'm afraid the lack of stalks is a deal breaker. I'm so disappointed because it's such a beautiful car. I guess my choices are either wait for a retrofit to become available (apparently there's a company already working on this) or go with the current Model Y. But great video! 🙂
Thanks so much Paul! Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry to hear it's a deal breaker for you. I would recommend maybe booking a test drive.
Enhance auto is already working on a stalk kit. It will apparently look and feel factory fitted. Keep an eye on their web page and socials.
I took the Highland for a test drive (got a Model 3 LR) & I had no problems with the indicators being on the wheel at all - I agree with Mark - go for a test drive! The car is absolutely awesome
@@exaturbo we want it fitted from factory. No one is going to dismantle their dashboards to fit 3rd party hardware that should have been installed from factory
@@exaturbo I will, thank you! 😀
Great review Mark. You’re exactly right with the stalks. Yes you can get use to it, yes it’s not a dealbreaker but it’s not an improvement. If you don’t live in the US, this will be a pain. No USS is also not an improvement (at least for now).
Hey Brian, thanks so much for the comment and glad you agree
The lack of stock indicators is the reason why I’m looking at other EVs. And the yoke steering is ridiculous.
Hey Ryan sorry to hear that! It might be worth test driving one: www.tesla.com/referral/mark20725
If Tesla brings steer by wire to the Model 3 that may help with the turn signal buttons, since it reduces how much you have to turn the steering wheel.
Sure that would be perfect, just a shame it's not in this car
Yes, the indicators on the steering wheel for me is a dealbreaker, I just can’t understand how people say you’ll get used to them because it’s physically completely impossible to use them safely as far as I’m concerned. You either don’t indicate or take your eyes off the road and fumble around for the buttons half way around a roundabout, both situations putting pedestrians and cyclists in particular at risk.
Yes the main issue is that you can’t get used to them… they always move haha
Interesting about what you said about the noise level and level of comfort. Nice to know that you now think it is quieter.
Hey, yes absolutely it’s a lot better compared to my 2021 Tesla model three I really like the door sounds of opening and closing sounds much more like a BMW or a Volkswagen. My current model three back doors sound like tin when you close them 😊
i test drove this for an hour and went around several roundabouts. it's a slight annoyance sure, but if you cross your right hand over the wheel and grab it where the indicators are before beginning the turn, then just pull the wheel into position, your hand is already where it needs to be to indicate out, and it become second nature. knowing which button to press is also easy too - as with a stalk, the correct button is always going to be the one corresponding to the direction you're about to turn the wheel. in the end i felt that the buttons are superior for 99% of driving situations, with that 1% being right turns at roundabouts.
the problem is most people don't wanna accept new thing and not willing to try. People like to stick to whatever they are familiar with. It is not that hard to adapt, i been driving it for a month+ i feel it is easier and more comfortable.
Hey, thanks for the comment, but that’s not the case here when we have a roundabout as the steering wheel turns up the buttons are no longer right is up and left us down at the top right is right and left is left and then when the wheel turns upside down, they actually reverse the placement, so it’s it’s quite hard to work out where they are and obviously each roundabout is different in size, so the buttons can be completely different place every time
Great review! No stalks sucks because it's low-key kinda satisfying with the feedback you get from it while driving. I'd only consider the new model 3 if they added it back it tbh.
Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video
Yea, the buttons for indicators are a stupid idea. We have lots of round abouts in Canada as well. I completely agree with your comment that the buttons are not an improvement. I think is just like the lack of physical buttons for HVAC controls. Yes, you can get used to them, but is it an improvement? No. Will we have to put up with it so that car companies can eek out more profit because there are less parts? yes.
You don't need to initiate a turn single for a roundabout it's right of way. No need to let people know which exit you're taking. 😂 also in the states you're required to turn the signal on 100 feet before the turn so there shouldn't be an issue with the signals on the wheel.
@@alexanderelsen9185that might be the case in the US. That is not the case in Canada. You need to signal your exit from the round about.
@@gveresUW no problem for me as i been driving it for more than 1 month, i feel the button is better than using stalk. My country doesnt have all this small mini roundabout than again if you drive it for a while you will know where to press the button because the turning position of your steering wheel should be around the same for those roundabout.. is not like a random thing that will it be in different position when you always go the same roundabout.
Great review! 🎉. Agree about the stalks. I sat in one recently and the door closing sound it literally night and day improved
Thanks for the great comment, yes, the doors and boots sound really nice now, in my car, the rear door shutting sounds like a tin can 😆
i agree it is the best car to have. mine is being delivered on the 30th jan. i cannot wait. upgrade fom a vw id 3
Hey Bollas you’re really going to enjoy the car!
I own a 2021 Model 3, and I am so glad mine has a proper turn signal and stalk for gear selection. What a horrible idea to remove that and replace it with a button. People forget to use their turn signals enough already, which causes many accidents. Changing the functionality will make this problem even worse. The reason auto designers went with the stalk is because it is ALWAYS IN THE SAME PLACE. That's important. Horrid idea by Tesla to remove the turn signal stalk. +1 for the blind spot lights, -5 for the turn signal.
Hey, thanks for the comment yes that’s the thing for me. The car is almost perfect so it’s such a shame they had to remove this little tiny piece which makes a big difference.
Agreed that the lack of signal stalk is a regression, seems like a no brainer to include them when the signal buttons are rotating on the wheel
Yeah, it’s possible to get used to them, but I just prefer them how they were before on the stock
i have one getting delivered soon. the stalks are the big thing for me.. really hope i get used to it lol
The morons at Tesla don't give a damn about the ergonomics of the interface. Jerks.
You’re supposed to put your turn signal well before you turn. So how would it be an issue when the wheel is rotating?
@@RichieLanderos it’s in the context of a roundabout with multiple exits, where you have to press the signal button at the right time while the wheel is in a rotated position
If removing the stalks was a cost-cutting measure, surely they could offer it as a paid option for those who really want them.
Yeah that would be good!
No rear cross traffic alert, and awful indicators now. Plus switching from reverse to forward is a pain, you have to take your eyes off the road, not safe. What used to be one of their best features is now one of their worst. Being able to throw the stalk into drive without coming to a complete stalk was a joy. These are deal breakers for me. Tesla needs to get their act together before I buy another.
Yeah I’m hoping they change this
We have round-abouts in the US but most people don't use their indicators in them.
It's a legal thing you have to do here, as people enter the roundabout and wouldn't know if they can enter
Would love if the car automatically switched the indicator for you on a roundabout when the nav knows where you’re going. That would go a long way to fixing the indicator issue and could be done with software.
Actually, do you know what would be an even better way to resolve the no stalk issue ?????
Don’t remove them in the first place…
Musk is so DUMB 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yeah, that would be a good idea and it’s a shame Tesla didn’t foresee this small issue and plan for it. That’s kind of what I meant in the video by this not being an improvement, I love improvements and things changing if it makes things easier and faster. And that’s the problem this isn’t easier or faster
Hi, I own Highland RWD for 2 weeks and about 5000 kilometers ( I had to visit 15 places across Poland). After 2 weeks I tried to drive my old car and I couldn't turn the indicators correctly, it was much worse than trying tesla Highland for the first time. My conclusion is that tesla stalksless system is much comfortable and better for me. You just have to give it some time which is not always possible by testing a car for a short period of time.
Thanks for sharing 👍👍
As someone moving from a BMW to the Model 3 highland indicators are a none issue 😅
Haha love it
Great review. I already have Model Y 2022. I would like to buy new M3 Highlander for my wife.
Good choice!
Excellent review mate ! Videography and editing was insanely good !
Thanks so much Ryan, really appreciate it! I enjoyed making this one, and loved the new car! Are you think of getting the highland or sticking with the Model Y?
Hi Mark, I too agree with you about the indicator stalks. I have no problem with forward/reverse via screen. I suppose FSD would remove the problem, the car could do the indicating, but until then it is a menace on mini roundabouts. I don't think it is a deal breaker, a well known after market supplier intends to come out with add on indicator stalks using bluetooth via the OBD port. I think Tesla would be wise to at least offer it as a UK/EU retrofit option. It's almost a case of spoiling a nice ship for a ha'poth of tar!
Problem is FSD also doesn’t work either yet! I really hope Tesla start delivering finished products 😂
The no indictator stalks thing I believe is Tesla’s incremental move to steer by wire since moving your steering wheel all the way around will become unnecessary. But yes, I too prefer stalks myself.
Also, the European market doesn’t need them any more than the US market needs them. We have tons of windy mountain roads, curvy freeway interchanges, and, believe it or not, roundabouts and traffic circles as well.
Thanks so much for the comment, however I tend to disagree when you’re going round a mountain Road. You don’t generally need to indicate too often or if you do you’re only going left or right once. Here in the UK. We have sometimes multiple roundabouts link together, so you may need to indicate five or six times as the wheel is spinning and your travelling 30 to 40 mph, so as I say, it’s not a dealbreaker, it’s just not an improvement of how easy it was before
First year models are nice to get, but as with all first year models, one has to accept problems that will arise the first 1-2 years until Tesla corrects them.
Yes that is always a risk with the newest model. I think the good thing here is that as it’s a refresh, there’s probably a few things that could go wrong compared to a brand brand-new model.
No I have driven the new Highlander and you quickly retrain your brain and fingers to correctly control left and right turning flashes easily once you have driven the new Tesla 3 for some hours.
But what do you do when the steering wheel is upside down, and the buttons reverse their positions?
Missing stalks is a deal breaker in Europe for most people
@@MBrown signal before the turn not in the middle
Many in the UK can’t use roundabouts properly anyhow, though I agree, the lack of stalk feels the wrong decision. That said, it won’t put me off one of those when I get round to changing my current car.
Thanks Chris, yes it's not a deal breaker, just not as good as stalks
Should have a selection in settings where if the steering wheel hits a certain angle or degrees the indicators flip automatically, but it’s much safer to just have stalks
Yeah I agree
People making a big deal about the stalks. It’s a learning curve, we’ll get used to it, just like we got used to everything else.
I think if you live in the USA it’s a non issue as most of the roads are designed in a grid layout. In the UK we can have 3-4 roundabouts linking together so imagine finding a button that constantly moves and the button placement changes when it goes upside down
Awesome video man! Dang your video quality is crispy, very professional production quality and useful information.
Hey, thanks so much, I really appreciate that I tried to spend a little extra time colour grading the video so it’s nice when someone notices it 👍
I've ruled out the model 3 due to the lack of indicators and lack of proximity sensors and 360 view. The charging infrastructure isn't enough to put up with the lack of basic usable safety features.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I can understand how you feel. For me, it’s not a dealbreaker, but it changes otherwise perfect car and does take it down slightly for me.
Nice one Mark, thanks as ever. How do we buy you a beer?
Hey Dan, oh thanks so much I’ve popped a link in the description box of the video which should take you to Buy Me a Coffee
Thanks Mark. All done.
In the US, 2 weeks ago (2023) you could buy a new inventory M3 RWD for $11,400 less than you will pay today in 2024 (inventory pricing discount +federal incentive). That’s a lot of money to me.
Hey Bobbie yes that’s a lot of money and to be honest the difference isn’t that huge so I would go with the saving
Yes, great review! Only thing worth adding on the missing indicator stalk is that the existing one in the Model 3 isn't great, feels cheap and not always responsive.
Hey James thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the review. Yes very true.
My wife just got a 2023 model 3, and I’m thinking of trading my Mach e for one of these. I don’t live the scant chargers in LA for non-Tesla EVs
Hey enjoy, I think you’re really going to like it
Great video Mark! Cheers! I see Cybertruck reviewers commenting on the steer by wire making u-turns with only half a lock/turn of the steering wheel a low speeds. Wonder if Tesla are prepping us for steer by wire coming to the other models by removing the indicator stalks? The indicator steering wheel buttons with the reduced turn arc of the wheel would seem far more usable. Steer by wire dependent on 48v low voltage upgrade like the Cybertruck, but no doubt it's coming in the next few years.
Hey Barry, yes it would be great if we had steer by wire, I think that would make the indicators a non-issue as the wheel wouldn’t move much. Unfortunately it doesn’t really help this car 😆
@@MBrown Pity Tesla couldn't wait until AFTER they implemented 48v steer by wire to do this in that case!
I think missing the 360 camera is worst than crying about no stalk. This is where co like BYD excel - super clear cameras. Still love my M3 tho🎉
Yes, I do think a 360 camera would be a little better than these moving clouds, at least that way you can see the things yourself
Having tested it I think the stalk removal is a huge miss. I do like the new fascia, but the 10% range improvement claim is just marketing, the consumption is hardly any lower than my TMY.
A big disappointement was the fact that they did not integrate a front bumper camera and HD radar.
I was not wowed by the new inner light strip, I do prefer the previous wood veneer.
I did like the seats, sound proofing and suspension.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment. Glad you’ve tested it out, yes I didn’t get to fully test out the range so it would be interesting to see if it is much better or not but from what you’ve said it doesn’t sound like it’s changed much. I do think even if they didn’t add back in USS, just simply adding a front bumper camera would’ve been a big plus Because you really can’t see if you’re about to hit something going forward which I really should’ve got in the video
I think after a few weeks with this car the indicators would become 2nd nature and wouldn’t be a problem once you get use to them,I really like this refresh model 3 ,the Ultra Red is 🔥,cheers fella 👍😉💪
Thanks Alan. Yes be sure try it out! If you want a test drive, I've got a link from Tesla in the description! Have a play with it!
It’s hard to know how it’ll be possible to hit the moving target of indicator buttons while negotiating roundabouts without looking down? It’s not really a matter of getting used to it. Can’t be safe and stalks are a great solution.
@@flyentityThis is the problem, no matter how used to it you are, you can NEVER avoid having to look down at the wheel to see where the buttons are, move your hands to the buttons then do a bit of mental gymnastics to make sure you press the correct button. Test driving the car didn't male me feel any more confident. I love my pre Highland Model 3 and, in Australia at least, Telsa offer the best ownership and service experience. But if I didn't already have a Model 3, I'd seriously look at a used car instead of the Highland.
@@vasil7410 you will get used to it unless you are a slow to adapt. When doing same small roundabout, the position of your steering wheel will the same most of the time, you will know where the buttons are and which to press, i been using it for a month, and i don't even need to think where to press when signaling. There is this situation where after i turn left then i need to turn right straight away into my house. So while turning left my steering is already at upside down position, so i always know the signal button will be at right side instead, n the button to signal right will the bottom one.
@@wensiangfongWhat you are describing is memorising every roundabout, every curved road and every turn you will ever drive on, then hope that you can position your hands precisely where the buttons are, without looking down at the wheel. Worst case, you still have to move your a hand to the buttons. And what happens when you drive on unfamiliar rounds or forget the hundreds of turns you would normally drive through? Sounds like an unrealistic solution to a totally unnecessary problem to start with.
Not upgrading to a new car cause the stalks aren’t ideal seems a little drastic.. I’m sure people will adjust like they did with the instrument cluster removal!
Hey, as I mentioned in the video, I think it really depends on where you live, if you’re in the USA, for example, this is really a non-issue as you primarily drive straight and indicate left or right, so it’s super easy. Here in the UK and some European countries like Italy, we have roundabouts and multiple roundabouts together, so the band are constantly spinning around moving upside down and the button could be Top or bottom left or right or up and down. And as I mentioned, it’s not a dealbreaker for me, it’s just not an improvement
I'm ruling it out until it gets stalks.
@@MBrown Totally agree. My bad, I should’ve stated that I was talking to the people in the comments
@@Natak222 thanks 🙏🏼
Thanks Mark. Watching RSymons the model 3 highland can’t detect low object. Having cameras on my Solterra the Tesla ones don’t look too clever. A test drive will convince me one way or the another.
Hey Johnny yes they’re not great. I think just put back in the sensors. Problem solved.
Completely agree with indicators - it's not an improvement at all. Also the gears, I have to parallel park almost daily so need to flick between reverse and drive and back an forth so this just seems so impractical - coming from a Tesla model 3 2021 owner.
Hey Anthony, thanks so much for the comment, honestly I don’t think the gears are too bad as the car does most of the stuff automatically. I think you’ll find parallel parking quite easy. I’d recommend taking the car for a test drive, I’ve put a link in from Tesla, so you can get a free test drive if you want one, definitely worth it in my opinion 👍
@@MBrown "automatically". Is it automatically going to stop when a cat comes in between me parallel parking then seamlessly continue when gone? is it automatically going to line up the car before? doubt it, things like this work great in a meeting room but in practise It's quite different
The indicator should be a squeeze feature
haha yes that would be good
Thank you very much for a great video Mark! The new model 3 is just so nice, the new design looks so good and modern. I have never owned a Tesla, but this upgrade feels so right. As you say, the suspension, comfort and materials are way better than before. I tried the new Model 3 Highland once, and to be honest, I didn't think the lack of indicator stalks was an issue. Of course, in roundabouts its not optional, but the feeling without indicators stalks feels unique and modern (even if its not an improvement). I really liked the feeling. And yes, we have a lot of roundabouts in Stockholm as well 😋 Now I have to choose between standard range and long range. Thank you for your reflections on that too. 😎
It is likely that you will have around 8,000 Euros less to spend over a period, as you probably will get the money back when you sell the long range version. I would think that the value on the second-hand market corresponds to the difference in the price as new, at least in Sweden.☺ Hmm, I go for the long range!
yea, so many people complain about the stalk when they been driving it for less than 1 day... is not really a problem for mini roundabout when you been it for a while.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment and good luck with your new purchase, if you haven’t purchased it already there is a link in my description which should give you money off the car or at least some free enhanced auto pilot. I think you’re really going to enjoy this car, as I say, it’s almost perfect in every way And I wish my current 2021 Tesla model three was this quiet 😆 👍
Hi Mark! Do you have any link now? It didn't work :)@@MBrown
@@jenssoderlund7361 hey link should be www.tesla.com/referral/mark20725
Or
www.tesla.com/en_gb/referral/mark20725 (for U.K.)
Those indicators make it worse for us in the UK and EU on roundabouts or mini-roundabouts. With that said though, I would try one and don't think it would put me off. Good video Mark, thx 👍🏻😄 Elon's doing what Apple do.... they change things for "progress" when it really isn't and they actually want it specific for them only.
Thanks Richard
ultrasonics is pretty irrelevant for me especially since parking is parking. I just need cameras and eyes. Removing ultrasonics will cut that cost completely from the car for a function that isn't essential and make it cheaper
The lack of stalk is interesting. I can get used to it. But the real solution is simply what the cybertruck has. Steer by wire. So you will never have to do a full 360 on your wheel ever again. I feel like a lot of technology from cybertruck like steer by wire will be moved to teslas existing portfolio. The designs like changing to a yoke wheel for visibility and being minimalist checks out to the pursuit of autopilot.
Take out power steering, as I've got muscles in my arms. The problem is these things are so cheap, removing a $3 piece isn't making the car cheaper for us. I agree steer by wire would be great... but it's not in this car.
While I do understand why people would have reservations about the missing indicator stock I must say I really do not understand why people make a fuss about shifting on screen. It is far from being the worst gear selector I've ever seen. In fact I found it pretty intuitive.
Yeah the gears are pretty cool, unless space you only use them once or twice during a drive anyway
I agree with your assessment Mark. Bring back a stalk and sensors.
Thank Johnny . Thumbs up 👍
I had a look at the new 3 today (had a 3 and Y in the past). Was very impressed by it. But the lack of indicator stalk means I can’t buy it. Absolutely beyond ridiculous. It’s a shame EuroNCAP concentrates on stupid invasive ‘assistants’ that we all switch off rather than how safe is the user interface for the driver? Tesla would score poorly - dangerous indicators, have to look left to see the speed which, depending on your driving position, could be obscured by your arm.
Sorry to hear that! they should have it as an optional extra
Great review - thanks Mark. Got another two years on my lease, but looking forward to getting the new one. Not keen on the indicators, but everything else seems to be an big improvement. Noise is a big issue to me at speed in the 2022 model. I assume there no front bumper camera? Don't see how it can park reliably forward without one (you didn't demo parking forwards to a low obstruction). I would never pay for any of the advanced auto features from Tesla (e.g. self park, FSD) as they don't work (even automatic headlights and wipers are pretty useless in mine)
Thanks so much! Yes overall it's a nice upgrade. No camera on the front bumper which is a shame, would have improved the parking, as its quite hard to pull forward to something with no sensors.
This is a great review!
Would be interesting how the efficiency of this new SR compares to the outgoing SR, as that is an already very efficient vehicle.
At 100% it was only saying 248 miles, but I've never driven the SR before this one so a little hard for me to say whether its much better in terms of range.
They made a really bad mistake removing the turn signal stock. I as a Tesla shareholder and extremely concerned about this. It’s already hard enough transitioning from a regular ice vehicle to a Tesla. I say for myself, I’ll definitely be hanging onto my older model three performance, until they bring back the turn signal stock.
Yeah, that was one thing. I was a little concerned about a lot of people struggle to even open the door so imagine getting into a Tesla for the first time. If you’re not really that interested in the tech and you’re just jumping in from an old car or someone from my garage is moving your car for you they might find it quite difficult.
I jumped from a "traditional" car into my Model 3 and loved the minimalism and novelty of the Tesla. The only thing I didn't like was the speedometer on the centre screen, so I added an aftermarket HUD. But the stalkless indicator has gone to far for me too. And being such a fundamental control in the cars, I would not be comfortable with an aftermarket option. I was planning to upgrade my car to the Highland, but after experiencing no stalks, there is no way I'd make the swap.
@@vasil7410Vasil, don’t you actually mean a driver’s instrument binnacle behind the steering wheel??
@@Nicholas.T No, an actual HUD reflected off the windscreen.
@@vasil7410 HUD + screen in the middle is kind of best minimum setup you need.
Thank you for this great and honest review Mark. Greetings from Prague …
Thanks so much for the comment really appreciate it
Good review Mark. The only issue I have with parking - 2023 MY - is going front in to a space as the cameras can’t pick up anything close at ground level however I’ve always preferred to back in and the rear camera does a really good job so it’s a non issue. Indicators are an interesting one and I can’t fathom the thought process to remove the stalks but I’m sure I’d get use to the change and maybe indicate less which may or may not impact other drivers. Doesn’t seem to bother BMW drivers (!) so perhaps I’m overthinking it.
Hey John, thanks for the comment yes I forgot to include that in the video, but front is much worse. I really think they need to add back in USS
No Stalks👍👍 Not needed. Much cleaner look. Amazing that Tesla kept the price the same.
Super excited to upgrade from my 2019 Model 3. Will miss my fog lights and USS though, I think!
Thanks for the comment, where are you based? If you’re in the USA, you’ll be ok. In England, you might want to give it a test drive
@@MBrown Hi, I'm in the US! Just curious, why would not having stalks be different for drivers in England? It seems like many people are adjusting to stalkless better than they thought; I'm including Model S & X, drivers, too. Thanks for your thorough and honest review!
maybe Tesla could add an Indicator FSD solution. So the car will auto indicate even when not in FSD. In the US we don't signal/indicate in round a-bouts.
Yeah that might help a little 👍
I think it looks great, but liveable in every day use?
Yes, overall, I think this is a great upgrade and some aspects wouldn’t annoy some people, I would definitely recommend taking it for a test drive
I agree with the indicator-bashing.
However, I think you need to look to the Cybertruck, and specifically steer by wire. Max rotation is what, 170 degrees in either direction? So I think that’ll mean you’ll generally be physically be turning the wheel less, and therefore the buttons stay in the same place relative to your thumb.
Would still rather have the stalk though! Its removal doesn’t *add* functionality.
Hey, yes that’s the thing if they had added stair by wire in the model three, I don’t think it would’ve been as much of an issue, however they didn’t so it is a bit of an issue in this model
But they provide cost reductions.
Given it is Tesla, then changes should be 3.01, 3.02 for small changes, and refreshes 3.1, 3.2 etc.
Thanks for the comment
It just needs steer by wire and we'll be fine in Europe as well I think? But the fact that left and right are above each other seems weird?
yeah one either side would be good
Clever software could actually assist in the roundabouts - if you have navigation on and get to the roundabout, maybe an option to activate that it automatically activates and cancels out the indicators? It knows where I'm going so maybe be an option?
Hey yes that would be good, shame it doens’t do that already
At 16:19 , clearly the cameras cannot detect nearby objects like the ultrasonic sensors can.
In this example, there are even strongly contrasting colors, and still the TeslaVision cameras cannot get the job done.
And this is 'state of the art' for 2024?
They really should use sensors and cameras, would be great then
@@MBrown Agreed, but Elan has decided to remove essential sensors from the car, to increase profits at Tesla Corporation. And the car is degraded as a result.
The lack of the stalks (both of them) is a deal killer for me. It’s fashion over function and it is really dumb. I also cannot believe that Tesla still continues to not have heads-up display. Turning your head down to see the screen is often, but not always, a safety hazard. Making the decision to put the change lane warning lights near the mirrors was a good one (late in coming of course since almost every car has it now!), but no heads up display is plain stubbornness for the sake of what? Other than these things I agree it is an excellent car, but Tesla small design and safety features count!
Hey Cliff, yes I think that’s the thing with this car it’s so perfect in a lot of ways but just misses on a couple of small points. However I would certainly recommend a test drive you might not think it’s as bad as some people
I definitely agree that the stalks need to return (thank goodness the people who make the S3XY buttons have announced that they will be making aftermarket stalks for the Highland Model 3).
I don't care a bit about the people in the backseat do the rear display is a complete waste. I know Tesla saves money by standardizing but it would be nice to have the option of deleting it and reducing the price of the car.
I suspect Tesla has pushed for vision instead of ultrasonic because they use the data collected to improve the robot project.
I am inclined to buy an older Model 3 and just have the rear door windows swapped out for the new double-glaze glass. Best of both worlds.
i think old model 3 is a really good deal now.
Yes, it would be great to have the option and I’ll definitely have to check out those buttons in the future
@@MBrown I am glad to hear that I have helped. The buttons are Bluetooth to the car and I believe they also make a multi-function rotation knob for those who like that sort of control which also connects via Bluetooth.
@@wensiangfong I agree and am seriously considering it since I am not one of those people compelled to always have "the latest & greatest" thing to arrive on the market.
We are a 2 Tesla family, 3 and Y and I love them. However, even our 2021 3 and 22 Y have compromises. The indicators on the older versions are rubbish for the UK, yes you get used to them, but they should be intuitive after decades of development. The windscreen wipers are also a compromise, again you get used to them and the update that allowed you to alter the speed with the scrolling button on the steering wheel improved things, but not as good as just having them on the stalk. The speedo to the left, again you get used to them, but a compromise nonetheless.
Now, rather than improve the indicators, they’ve made them worse! A previous comment mentioned them being dangerous and they are correct. The gears are another compromise, no matter how you look at it. Gears on the stalk is actually really good and allows quick changes from forward to reverse. We also lose the ease of having the cruise control and autopilot on the stalk, again needless change for the worse. Finally, the loss of parking sensors, that you get on a Dacia, is just ridiculous! I don’t think losing the rear ones are too much of an issue, except that rear camera gets dirty and blurry in the poor weather quite quickly, but the front ones? The front camera is useless as estimating how close you are to things, as it’s on your windscreen.
My lease ends in December for the 3 and at the moment, I’m looking elsewhere. Might have to compromise on range and acceleration to get a car that makes driving safe and easy again.
Hey yes I love mine too, I just feel for an amazing car with amazing tech, we shouldn't be compromising on the basics like working wipers and parking. I think if Tesla improves these small aspects we use every day it would be unbeatable
Great review there. Sometimes it shows when someone’s a professional automotive journalist. And love the quality and editing.
Much appreciated! I’m just an amateur but glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant review video, nice and concise with honest feedback from a current owner.
Cheers, thanks so much Chris
love your videos Mark - just a quick one, with the indicators, do they work with voice control? I know the same problem would occur as the new way of accessing the voice control is the button on the steering wheel but just wondered as there's only one to worry about!
Hey Nick thanks for the comment, no unfortunately there are no voice commands for the indicators... I guess it could be added in a software update but not on this one currently.
@@MBrown i thought as much! would potentially fix the issue - but would be better if you could voice activate the voice commends as per "hey siri" or "alexa!" - great review as always mate
Very thorough review, Mark. I currently own a 2020 LR mdl 3 and your review has convinced me to trade it in - taking a late March delivery. Can’t wait to hear the difference! Lol
Thanks so much Jefferson and I hope you enjoy your new car! 👍
Maybe color code the buttons blue is left/red is right so it’s easier to find in a hurry
Hey Ray, that’s a great idea. I’m sure someone will come up with a little sticker we can put on them
Big Tesla fan, was excited to drive the new Model 3 but the kack of indicator stalks makes it unusable for me. Its just not safe in the UK. I can only imagine that Tesla engineers based in California didnt think to test this in Europe before approving the stalkless design
Been waiting for the updated Model 3. I like all of the improvements. However, removing the stalks (at least for the European market) is just a huge mistake. It's simply a deal breaker for me and I won't be buying a Tesla that has these turn signals. I like and am very open to change, but not stupid ones that are also related to safety.
Yeah I’m hoping it’s something they put back in update
Indicators are not an issue for me. Coming from a BMW, I've ever used them anyway. 😏
Haha very true
Tesla should put out an update where if a navigation address is inputted the car will auto predict turning on your signal indicator so that you don't have to press the button.
Could be dangerous though if you forget its on and maybe want to go off a different exit for the toilet or something.
Why does Tesla remove the indicator stalks? Sure it save some cost, but .......
Yeah, Tesla should put them back on
Seems like those indicators would be a better fit for a steer by wire system.
Yes, I agree, I think if it had steer by why it would be a non-issue completely
Fair review - thanks Mark.
Just got my first Tesla ('21 M3 LR) in part thanks to your reviews. Only a week in so far but I love it.
I'm just down the road from you and I rely on superchargers too so maybe see you at the Trafford Centre sometime 😂
Thanks so much Jonny, Yes i'll see you there!
Great review and you spotted all the issues I found when I did a recent test drive. I think some improvements would be as you said, add back the stalks for indicators, also where the gear function is in the roof of the car this should light up automatically as it senses your hand. Agree that it's a great car just got to work out how to afford it 😊!
Thanks so much! Yeah it's such a nice car... bring the stalks back and it's almost perfect for me!
I want to see a video of someone doing old fashion hand “indicators “ when leaving a roundabout!
Hey I'll do a comparison on my next video!
I’m not sure it is hardware 4 - the Sheffield Tesla Service Centre couldn’t confirm when I enquired
Hey, yes this is something I haven’t got a full answer for someone at Tesla told me it was hardware for and then someone else told me it was hardware 3.5 and then another person told me it was four so I’m not completely sure which one it is ha ha 😆
I thought the stalk looked and felt cheesy. I like the new design.
Yes they didn't look great, but performed perfectly.
great video buddy! i personally do not think its a problem for USA drivers but as you mentioned if i did live in Europe it would be a bit frustrating
I totally agree! In the USA it would be a non-issue
Great review thank you
Very welcome 🙏🏼
Great review Mark ! The car looks pretty and inside feels better too. I would think some of these features and modifications to also reflect in Model Y. So I am hanging tight when the new Model Y is available later this year.
Hey thanks for the comment yes I’m also gonna wait for the next model why I think even though this Tesla model three is great
It's a dealbreaker for me, I have to have a turn signal arm and a speedometer, and people think it's smart, but it's only about saving, that's not why you buy a car
Sorry to hear that!
Great review. The indicator and camera parking would stop me updating my Tesla
Hey Paul, thanks so much for the comment, I definitely recommend maybe doing a test drive to see what you think
I picked my new Model 3 up on Saturday and you soon get used to the indicators even on roundabouts and the gear change on the screen is simple. I want to get a boot mat and remember last year you promoting a particular brand. Mark could you please send me a link. Thanks Scott
Hey Scott, oh great enjoy the car! Here's the link: teslafans.co.uk/discount/Tesla2023MarkDiscount
Thank you and keep up the great work.
Great review Mark! If it came with stalks and USS, like my 2021 model 3, I'd be ordering it now. However it doesn't so I'm going to wait and see what happens and hopefully Tesla will make a U-turn on these changes.
Hey, I agree with you, I think I would be the same if it was like my car but better in every area. It may be an upgrade for me. However I think I’m gonna wait for the next model. Y
first of all a great review very well done Mark thank you. I have a 2022 Model Y my backup cameras are always affected by rain…how are the cameras on the new Model 3? Maybe the thought process for the indicators are to prove them out for the steer by wire technology which should reduce the amount you have to turn the steering wheel? I did drive in England so I can understand the problem you face with round a bouts using the indicators. I am excited about the improved ride we have such bumpy roads in the states ride is my biggest complaint with my model “Y” but not a deal breaker. I love the new red color cannot wait to see it in person. thanks again for all your reviews I enjoy your videos a lot plus I like riding along with you enjoying the scenery,
Thanks Kenny, yes, the rain still does affect it and unfortunately it didn’t rain much at all when I was testing the car so I couldn’t really see if it affected it any worse than our current models
Did you find out what the speedometer looking button does? And how do you activate autopilot?
Yes, that just is for auto pilot and cruise control so it captures the speed you’re at when you press it like a speed limiter
We do have roundabouts in the colony 😅
Americans, don’t seem to have any
Beautiful car. Plan to buy one. They could raise one button slightly to differentiate it from the other. Vision parking should improve in time.
Thanks Ken, yes I think that would be a good change, or one either side of the wheel.
Also, which Model 3 did you drive lately. Maybe the models of 2018/19 had now sound damping but I can drive my current Model 3 (2022 Dec) at 100mph and it's dead quite. Every time I see a test video it comes over as if the Model 3 "Refreshed" 2022 model had bad road acoustics. It does not. It's perfectly quite. The damping on the 2024 "Refreshed" has changed making it softer over bumping roads but not as sporty. I tested the new Model to see if it was such a big refresh. It was in my opinion a down grade in some areas whilst improvement in other. For me the biggest down grade is that the car has lost it's sporty feeling. Steering now truly dead plus it's like a boat in the corners. Grandfather's sofa.
Hi, so I’ve only tested my 2021 Long range and my friends 2022 model Y. They are both quite quiet cars but honestly the jump into this new one is quite significant. They say it’s about 30% quieter. When you add the new suspension as well it does feel to me like quite a big difference but I’ve never tried the 2023 car
Regarding the indicators, I have an issue. I never can decide which button to press if I want to change the volume of music while I am turning. We in the uk have a lot of roundabouts. Musk probably is not aware of that.
Ha ha yeah very good point
No body ever mentions the extra door locking mechanism on the bottom of the doors to help with side impacts.
yeah I meant to include them, it's pretty good
Removing the stalks just is such a dumb, cost savings move. It solves nothing and creates a new problem.
Thanks for the comment 👍
I never turn on my signals in a roundabout. Because even if there is a stock and you are turning you would have to take on hand to turn the signal which is not safe anyway.
Well, when you use a steering wheel, your hand brushes past it, so you don’t really need to think about it too much.
It’s illegal requirement here in the UK that you must indicate off roundabouts so it’s pretty important here
How is it possible getting 248 miles from 100% while my current RWD used to gives me 273 miles for 100% battery, after two years this has dropped to 260 miles, I thought this new one has a longer range!
Yeah it was very cold and a brand new car... could be the battery wasn't calibrated