This is great, I'm glad I found this, and you did the research. I learned of the sentiment through Ebert so this is a good jumping off point. I think it's a good rhetorical device to question the role of these tropes in a film that is ostensibly aimed to criticize the events, we may have a strong reaction to the images and themes in ways that are uncomfortable to examine. Great to get the context of these now. Thank you
I'm in the UK. I love how the BBC had Watkins make The Wargame, so good/frightening that they had to suppress it for 19 years. Only showing it on TV a year after they broadcast 'Threads'
great timing, really glad youtube recommended this. i’m in the middle of the 2022 adaptation of all quiet on the western front at the moment, after seeing another youtube video by the channel Storytellers with truffaut’s quote at its center. i also just happened to see a video by Rosencruetz about pop history and appropriated quotes, which i recommend wholeheartedly. your research and context here is really helpful! great job on this, be it a footnote or a mini video essay:)
@@Alex-cw3rzStalingrad 1993 is good too. Stalingrad and come and see is my top anti war movies. Still need to see Cross of iron though, could be a good one
I disagree. There is a movie, based on a book, called. "Johnny got his gun." It is a. movie that nobody could say makes war look fun or exiting. "Johnny got his gun." It doesn't have.a single battle SCENE. IT's ABOUT A WORLD one veteran who loses all four limbs, his face, and four of his five senses. The movie starts with him being in the hospital and realizing, as it happens, that he is losing one limb after another. I've never seen a horror movie that horrifying. The rest of the movie is set in a hospital, where he is somehow kept alive in that condition, although he does not want to be. It is all voiceover of his thoughts, since he can neither speak nor hear., interspersed with flashbacks of his memories, none of which are in a battlefield. Eventually, he does figure out a way to communicate, by lifting his head up and down to Morse code. It takes people in the hospital a while to figure out what he is doing. But when they do, they "talk" to him by tapping Morse code on his forehead. They ask him what he wants. He says that he wants to be taken around and exhibited as an example of what war can do to people. They say "No." He says, "Then I want to die." They say "No" again. But soon, a nurse does try to kill him by removing his life support system. He realizes what is happening and prays to God that she have a wonderful life. But she is discovered, presumably fired, and he is saved, against his will. Then he is given drugs and falls into a. meaningless narcotic dream state. It is as bleak as it gets, and if you can find anybody who is inspired to join the military by that movie,, you have found somebody who is completely insane.
Being an old fart, growing up in the 1970s, it was hard to move for movies that glamourised violent criminals - Scorsese was one of the worst culprits. People were going around dressed like gangsters, disco songs were made about the mafia - it was all a great laugh! They were pro-gangster, pro-violence, pro-extortion... and the critics loved them!
This is great, I'm glad I found this, and you did the research. I learned of the sentiment through Ebert so this is a good jumping off point. I think it's a good rhetorical device to question the role of these tropes in a film that is ostensibly aimed to criticize the events, we may have a strong reaction to the images and themes in ways that are uncomfortable to examine.
Great to get the context of these now. Thank you
I'm in the UK. I love how the BBC had Watkins make The Wargame, so good/frightening that they had to suppress it for 19 years. Only showing it on TV a year after they broadcast 'Threads'
Awesome + how you manage to go so deep and general in only 5min.
great timing, really glad youtube recommended this. i’m in the middle of the 2022 adaptation of all quiet on the western front at the moment, after seeing another youtube video by the channel Storytellers with truffaut’s quote at its center. i also just happened to see a video by Rosencruetz about pop history and appropriated quotes, which i recommend wholeheartedly. your research and context here is really helpful! great job on this, be it a footnote or a mini video essay:)
odd timing for me as well, i just watched the exact same Rosencruetz video.
All quiet on the western front is the greatest anti war book/movie ever made. What does it mean to die for your country?
Come and See I would say is better as a n anti-war film. But both great movies in their own right.
@@Alex-cw3rzStalingrad 1993 is good too. Stalingrad and come and see is my top anti war movies. Still need to see Cross of iron though, could be a good one
Maybe you should watch and make a review of the Soviet 1985 film, "Come and See".
Augh that's too scary! That movie goes hard.😢
I totally agree but maybe you should watch the video. He is pointing out that the quote is mostly fake.
*She is pointing out the quote is mostly fake. You probably didn't know, so no worries.
You read my mind. No one who has viewed "Come and See" would ever say you can't make a anti-war film.
I disagree. There is a movie, based on a book, called. "Johnny got his gun." It is a. movie that nobody could say makes war look fun or exiting. "Johnny got his gun." It doesn't have.a single battle SCENE. IT's ABOUT A WORLD one veteran who loses all four limbs, his face, and four of his five senses. The movie starts with him being in the hospital and realizing, as it happens, that he is losing one limb after another. I've never seen a horror movie that horrifying. The rest of the movie is set in a hospital, where he is somehow kept alive in that condition, although he does not want to be. It is all voiceover of his thoughts, since he can neither speak nor hear., interspersed with flashbacks of his memories, none of which are in a battlefield.
Eventually, he does figure out a way to communicate, by lifting his head up and down to Morse code. It takes people in the hospital a while to figure out what he is doing. But when they do, they "talk" to him by tapping Morse code on his forehead. They ask him what he wants. He says that he wants to be taken around and exhibited as an example of what war can do to people. They say "No." He says, "Then I want to die." They say "No" again.
But soon, a nurse does try to kill him by removing his life support system. He realizes what is happening and prays to God that she have a wonderful life. But she is discovered, presumably fired, and he is saved, against his will. Then he is given drugs and falls into a. meaningless narcotic dream state.
It is as bleak as it gets, and if you can find anybody who is inspired to join the military by that movie,, you have found somebody who is completely insane.
To clarify, what are you disagreeing with? The quote that the video is itself disagreeing with? (Also, yes, it's a remarkable film and book.)
Ohhh, it’s possible… whether some knuckleheads will actually get it is another issue.
i like some of the truffaut movies. what the fuck does he know about war?
Being an old fart, growing up in the 1970s, it was hard to move for movies that glamourised violent criminals - Scorsese was one of the worst culprits. People were going around dressed like gangsters, disco songs were made about the mafia - it was all a great laugh!
They were pro-gangster, pro-violence, pro-extortion... and the critics loved them!