How to Combo as Peach vs Fox/Falco/Falcon - Super Smash Bros. Melee
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- Super Smash Bros Melee Peach combos and How to do them vs Fox, falco, and captain falcon. I would have done another Peach Neutral Game video, but I really feel like the first one covered a ton of bases. An Advanced tutorial would be learning how to deal with campers and cutting off escape options.
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Kira, thankyou so much for making these high-quality in depth videos covering an array of important melee topics. Over the course of your video series, I have have grown significantly as a player! Keep up the good work!
Awesome video, Kira. Keep the Peach videos coming! You should do a tutorial for Peach on the Falco matchup. There really isn't any good info out there and I know a lot of Peaches struggle with the matchup. Pillaring and laser pressure can be tough to deal with.
MK would trip too often, get rekt with his light weight. RIP
A lot of people are saying Meta Knight here, BUT...
What if Fox, because of superior movement techniques, could simply run away the entire match dodging predictable attacks, and getting lasers and 1-2 nairs in every so often? Once Meta Knight is high enough, Fox can replace a nair with shine to knock him to the ground and tech chase with an upsmash? Techs seem to be pretty reactable in Brawl.. also if he ever reads an airdodge it's also an upsmash.
It's also possible that Fox would be able to smash DI every hit of Meta Knight's Fair.... I wonder... =P
+SSBM Tutorials do you think if metaknight gets hit up into the air, that he would be able to dair fox if he tries to up air?
I'm not sure if metaknight would ever need to airdodge, he could maybe dair fox if he jumps up to him and glide to the side of the stage and go to the ledge instead of trying to get past fox.
if he gets hit by the ledge while trying to get to it, I have doubts as to whether fox would be able to get a kill off of it (unless mk is at high percentage and the one hit is enough to kill)
about sdi is it dependent on the moves' properties? bc if it is then im guessing fox would be able to sdi out of mk's fair assuming that it would be like sdi'ing mk's fair in brawl
do you know if the hitstun is dependent on the move's properties or is it like something across all moves in the game?
+AbyssSSB hitstun in all game is move dependent but due to brawl being glitched, only 13 frames are the maximum in the game.
Also SDI is move dependent
and foxes shine would wreck MK since Brawl Fox is almost even in the meta knight mu and melee fox would just make it all the better
+Hex Animationz what about shieldstun?
+AbyssSSB move dependent shine grab is still gaureenteed
+Hex Animationz is fox faster than mk on the ground?
Brawl MK would be able to stall really well, and could be hard to approach with his tornado. But, melee fox could use his insane mobility to break past mk's defenses, his shine could outprioritize mk's offstage game, and his significantly lower lag after his attacks would allow him to combo him.
I'd say melee fox would win, although it's mainly due to melee mechanics, they just trump over brawl mechanics in this matchup (Fast/Aggressive vs Fast/Aggressive). In Project M, MK is pretty good vs fox.
+Samoaplaya i think mk's uair has more range than fox's shine, and idk but i feel like it would be fast enough that fox wouldnt be able to do reliably shine spike him
+AbyssSSB not at all, landing one shine would make it extremely difficult to land a hit and also shine is a frame 1 move and also has frame 1 invincibility.
Kira, these videos are honestly the best. They're extremely helpful. Thanks man. Keep it up.
+Adam Smith Thank you!
Falco edge guarding tutorial !
+Joey Scott Throw off stage. Laugh
jab him off the stage, grab ledge, laugh cause he had to resort to forward b, catch him on stage, repeat
On 0:54 there's a mistake, the left video has the title ".. > Run > .." and the right ".. > FC Nair > .." but it's vice versa in the videos.
This was so helpful! Thank you so much for doing a Peach video. I will keep referring back to this video for help. If only Marth was a fast caller 😜 then I wouldn't have such a troublesome time with him. Thank you again for this video :)
I think that down throw down smash works very good on any fox/falco that likes to stand out of shield to shine.
brawl knight.... this isn't even comparable.... he has arguably the best edge guarding in all of smash history and an amazing recovery on top of that fact that fox has super predictable recovery options
Interesting question but how the mechanics even interact isn't necessarily clear. Does shield stun correspond to the attacks of the one who used them for example, or the one shielding?
It depends. It's all in skill of the player, the stage, and the way the combos go. I would believe a lot of stuff wouldn't always work out for Fox on certain stages.
When I do waveland -> dash attack on fastfallers, sometimes they do not go straight up. Is this DI dependent or am I hitting with the wrong hitbox of dash attack?
+Casey Cannon If you hit with the really close hitbox (the one more "in" you kinda) they can DI behind but if they DI away they'll go straight up. If you hit with the front edge (closer to the hands) they can DI away but not really behind you
Also, if you are chaingrabbing a spacie on FD, and they do the no DI at like 120, just upsmash them. A lot of people don't know that it actually kills way better than nair at that point.
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Nice video! I've been watching your Marth videos to practice my Marth secondary. How about a Jigglypuff neutral game video? As a Jiggs main, I find her neutral game to be pretty weird compared to a lot of other characters and would like to see your take on it
metaknight because 1. if he air dodges up throw up air he can punnish him really hard.
2. shine spiking is almost out of the picture. not just because he hws so many jumps but he has so many ways to recover.
3. if metaknight is on the ledge, metaknight can shark him with up air.
if shine knocks metaknight over then that's another weak point for fox. if not then whatever
Best video youve made so far.
+Daniel Means just curious, what was good about it? i thought it was not as good as some others tbh lol
I haven't seen many video's on here about comboing and I think that a lot of player struggle when it comes to comboing. Fast fallers are the easiest characters to combo and I think that it was a good start. I also might be a little bias because I like Peach videos. Its easier to link new players videos than it is to answer their questions.
If you were to make another Peach video I think a common problem Peach players struggle with is getting out of waveshines and pillars. I get those two questions a lot. I know you made a SDI tutorial but maybe a combo DI tutorial would be beneficial for players.
+SSBM Tutorials I think the strength of the tutorials on this channel in general, (and expressed perfectly in this video) is how straightforward and easy to follow they are. Like one time someone asked Armada how to improve with Peach, and he said, "work on your punishes". Which is good advice, but really doesn't help anyone learn anything. Like HOW do I improve my punishes. Well, this video has helped me do that, pretty precisely. It doesn't say, "try this maybe." or "here are some good options", it says, "this is what you should do". And melee (and most things) are more complicated than that at the highest level, but none of us are at the highest level, we just want the basics.
That is what we aim for! Thank you very much =)
I was talking about Melee Fox vs Brawl MK with someone recently (isn't this something that's been thought of via PM? Mango's Melee Fox vs ZeRo's Brawl MK?).
It all depends on if MK taking no hitstun falls under "Brawl mechanics." If so, it's pretty obvious.
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There is really no question... Fox. Always. Wins. Basically you're asking "Would Fox totally eviscerate Metaknight, or would Fox make Metaknight move down 20 tiers."
So helpful! Thanks!
It's close, but I have to go with fox. While meta knight has alot of safe attacks that are tougher to punish like neutral b, a good fox can use the melee mechanics to trick metaknight into doing stupid things with his movement. On top of that meta knight is light, which means death at early percent from up airs and up smashes. Meta knight's only chance of killing is a good gimp (in my opinion).
Fox Neutral Game part 2
is the ability to sdi dependent on the moves' properties?
Peach chain grab tutorial!! Also a tutorial of WHEN to wavedash
Please, how to wavedash like Abate? Like... I don't know if he stickywalks or something when doing the running animation while wavedashing. Could you do a video about it, please?
Wavedash then flick the stick in direction ur characters facing. Looks sick with marth he does a dash in place.
2RaB THE AHNIALATOR Wouldn't that make you just run? Isn't he like doing a spacie moonwalk? I may be wrong.
when the wave dash is long enough u can start the dash when ur still moving and it will mess with momentum. u dont hold the stick u just flick it for long enough to initiate the dash
2RaB THE AHNIALATOR Aahh... You wavedash backwards and then start to run, and when the running animation is executing, you wavedash forwards.
hey btw the clips are backwards at 0:53 it always bother me but i never wrote about it
Fox melee all day
I'd call it 55-45 for Fox because of wavedashing, L-canceling, and shine spikes. It would be way more favorable for Fox if MK had Melee air dodges.
melee fox is the best any character has ever been in any smash game. the tools fox has in melee would be considered grossly overpowered in newer games, such as up smash and shine
+the metapod brawl meta knight can recover from the bottom corner of final destination without jumps, and on characters like fox that fall that fast meta knight could up air combo to neutral b on any stray hit. and if any of the combos fox does arent true then meta knight can just neutral b away. plus meta knights ability to camp the ledge is disgusting especially when you remember how fast his aerials are if you tried to approach him
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@@princesspeach-ei5qc well of course you would say that
You don't need to be shining them to make them cry
Sheik neutral game part 2, How to get around falco's lasers or Sheik overview please
Falco edge guarding tutorial!!
FC Fair>Run>Dsmash is over the FC Fair>FC Nair>Dsmash video and vice versa @ 0:53
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thanks for pointing this out tho
Melee Fox would win in my opinion! Mostly because shine could gimp Meta Knight a an awkward angle.
+Austin Broussard meta knight is ungimpable, even without jumps he can recover from the corner of battlefield
I think Meta Knight wins by a long shot. Majority of his moves have priority like Fox's lasers and can beat out Fox's aerials, he can up air 5 times and kill off the top in tornado, he can ledgestall better then Jigglypuff, nearly no landing lag to begin with so Fox's L cancels don't matter too much, ridiculous edge guards (especially with Fox's fall speed), and he has a broken recovery.
Plus if all techniques were allowed, all Meta Knight has to do is get a percentage lead and use the Infinite Dimensional Cape tech (look it up if you don't know) and time you out while you struggle to hit him for the rest of the match.Oh yeah and Meta Knight can momentum cancel and live to ridiculous percentages while experiencing no hitstun, while Fox gets comboed ridiculously hard. Meta Knight also has ridiculous brawl air dodges, where they are infinite amount, last forever, and have no lag on the ground
.It seems many people in the comments aren't realizing the full extent of Brawl mechanics aiding Meta Knight.
MK would die at like 30 to fox's up smash due to brawls floaty physics
meta knight would win because of a super safe neutral and ledge game. he's better at edge guarding fox than puff. fox will NEVER make it back to the stage against meta knight. so he's dieing at 50% every time
Fax would win because he's Fax
is it safe to say Fox?
fox would win because of 20xx and his speed is amazing, wavedash bro.
Pretty sure fox would shrek metaknight.
Captain Falcon tech chasing
+WaxenMeatpatty look up 20GX
Neutral game vs Marth
fox neutral part 2 plz
wow. I'm glad I don't main a fast faller right now. I think melee fox wins, might be a little bias there but I have that right. merica.
Fox is faster, this is not debatable. Meta Knight would have decent combos, but at the end of the day......what does he really have to truly put down fox quickly? He has to land a smash attack or edgeguard really well to get a stock.
Fox with his superior speed and wavedashing, can avoid metaknight and just shoot lasers. Eventually, when the time is right....he can come in for an up-smash.
It's a tactic that kills floaties dead, and a faster floaty would be no different.
Brawl MK would just walk out fox imo. And anyway, with brawl physics, MK could get out of a lot. It would be like peach vs fox but the peach has really good offense and better defense than normal
meta knight would win because he doesn't experience hitstun
true
but he does experience shine hitstun, and he does get 13 frames of hit stun, enough to get you a combo
+Hex Animationz "...with brawl mechanics."
+DAHypersonix1617 hm?? I was saying in brawl you'll always get 13 frames of hitstun at most unless the move have set hitstun, and shine is that move. It would work exactly how it does in melee and would easily wreck meta knight due to how quick it would lead into kills
well, then you would have to assume the fox is frame perfect, because you have a 2 frame window to follow up, and thats assuming that mk doesnt go to far to follow up
Fox easily speaking of Fox how about Fox neutral part 2
What are you even talking about
fox can't touch a planking meta knight
a planking meta knight doesn't have full invincibility while doing it and since vgbc even showed how easy it is to counter it with dieting like diddy's dair, foxes up air could start an entire combo then do his invincible ledge stall to waveshine up smash or up throw up air... Melee Fox is the best smash character atm.
+Maven yup 100% invincible unlike meta knight
ICs neutral game please.
Brawl mk can air dodge out of stuff and easily combo fox plus can up b to escape fox pressure
wave shine is gaurenteed, air dodging out of up their up air is ill advised since fox is still advantageous, shine grab on shield, shine bair...Mk would get wrecked.
+Hex Animationz seeing that Brawl MK is the same weight as Pikachu, and that Pikachu weighs less than Marth in Melee, he would get knocked down by shine. Wave shine infinites etc. would be near impossible.
+Abard which would open him up for jab resets
+Abard and even if Mk techs... his techs are easy to cover so fox could literally just Falcon his way threw the tech chases because of how fast he is.
Melee Fox wins because he has more options.
Why is literally no one mentioning brawl momentum cancelling and hitstun, pretty much negating Fox's vertical kill power advantages
SHEIK shield pressure/mixups on shield
but what if your down smash does 110 damage? #JustPeachThings
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When MK has Brawl mechanics, dies He have the Brawl mechanic of super low hitstun? If yes: MK would win dominantly cause of his offstage game. If no: I would say pretty even, if MK doesn't drop any edgeguards. Fox punish and kill game would also be pretty good on MK, since he falls fast and is light.
Melee Fox
At human levels. Metanight. At Tas 20xx levels Fox.
do more peach videos she's very difficult to play
Ezana Solomon have you tried pressing down on the c stick
dr.chef have you tried landing vs marth or fox
Brawl MK obviously wins, every time fox hits him he just floats away, he has ez combos sense fox is still a fast faller, and MK can just snap to the ledge and plank
Fox would win: you can't compete with 20XX
+Q tip Most poeple would say the Fox vs Marth matchup in Melee is dead even. Metanight is bassically a faster Marth that can jump five times and glide. Fox actually doesn't even stand a chance.
+Ddiaboloer for me, it all depends on one things and that's hitstun. But the question is, Does Meta Knight get less hitstun or does his moves do less? Like, would Fox experience melee amounts of hitstun from his physics or brawl amounts from Meta Knight's attacks?
Q tip
Doesn't matter, Brawl is broken because of his giant transcendence hitboxes on all of his moves and his air mobility both of which will dominate Fox even if it is just chip damage. Not to mention Metanight can gimp Fox with less effort than it takes to blink. Metanight on the other hand can't be gimped, even shine spiked which is an element that makes the Marth vs Fox matchup in Melee even.
+Ddiaboloer first of all, Marth and Mk aren't similar at all. Also, because of Mk's floatiness, Fox's u-smash would kill at like 60-70%. You're right that Mk's gimp game would fuck Fox's ass to hell but Fox could kill Mk just as easily with his superior movement weaving around Mk and finding the up smash. Fox can play campy too.
+Q tip Look at Metanight's down tilt then look at Marth's.....they are the same but Metanight is much faster
YES
Fox wins. Fox has insane vertical kill power and meta knight is floaty. Combine all this with foxs incredible speed and mobility, along with projectiles to help rack up %. I think it's pretty much a win. Also I'm not sure if u can Sdi in brawl but if u can't ur pretty much fucked at like 70%
What if Meta Knight trips? Like a lot... lol
Fox would win easy, its like playing a faster Puff, and we all know how that matchup goes
+Tom Pickford
Not to be rude, but Meta Knight is a much different beast, especially with Brawl mechanics
+abickiya tbh its pretty complicated so I'm not necessarily confident with my answer, but that's just how I feel it would go
Yeah it would be weird, but Fox's insane kill power is largely cancelled out by non-existent brawl hitstun and momentum cancelling to massively reduce knockback.
it just seems like people are ignoring the facts that brawl mechanics are in place. Meta Knight would also fall at the slow brawl fall speeds making at that much easier to dair camp fox
metaknight beats Fox unless he has no combo game on the fast faller.
Fox
+Billy Skceuk
Foxes shine combos are all sill gaurenteed against meta knight and his up throw up air would just kill earlier...
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+Hex Animationz Momentum canceling is still a thing and I'm not sure that up throw up air would even work since you can airdodge out of hitstun after 13 frames no matter what.
+Billy Skceuk i thought up throw up air hit before 13? and doesn't dodge have start up?. But anyway I can easily say something that'll wreck meta knight.... crouch canceling, nothing in the ssbb game would work correctly. Also shine is a set knockback and hitstun move that actually worked in brawl (it was Melee's just not with invincibility and jump canceling but it still stunned you).
So yea tornado would=crouch canceled then into pressure against his shield into gaurenteed shine grab
Melee fox
Melee Fox would win.
Fox cuz u can L cancel and be way faster than MK.
Its funny that ppl are using words like OP vs. Broken to compare Melee Fox and Brawl MK. Words like those are used for those characters IN RELATION TO THE CAST OF THE GAME THEY ARE FROM. Their use gives absolutely zero insight into putting the two characters into a battle.
Fox would win though. MK's mobility is not up to par.
I say fox wins because Melee > Brawl
Posted from an old reddit comment of mine
[-]Incenetum 76 points 3 months ago Okay so:From what I gathered of your post, Fox's moves have their Melee hitstun for true combos and stuff. MK has Brawl hitstun.Fox is hella fast and perfect SHDL's and shines to use the one frame of intangibility is honestly broken in a "perfect fighter" kind of thing. Even if MK uses the infinite cape glitch to stay intangible forever, Fox can just frame-perfectly react to any kind of frontal approach MK has and shine him once, then can literally stay still until MK comes in, at which point Fox can just gtfo because, like I said, he's a fast motherfucker with way stronger mobility and mixup options.However, in a non-TAS environment, it'd be a lot closer. Assuming all top Foxes have like, merged skill together or something (idek) you get Zero and M2K's campy stuff, Mang0's hard reads, Leffen's fundamentals, SFAT's stuff, Fiction's, Hax's tech, Lucky's stuff, etc etc. Meta Knight gets all the top players for Brawl, which off the top of my head are Zero, Nairo, Otori, and M2K, among others. You get a bit of aggression and a whole lot of campier play because, well, Brawl MK.Fox's advantages:Projectiles, mobility on the ground, actual amazing combos, a good combo breaker in shine, multiple ways out of shield, and a great selection of kill moves.MK's advantages:Mach Tornado. Amazing edgeguards with dair, easy combos with uair, recovery out the ass, transcendent sword + disjoints on a lot of moves, amazing gimp tools.As for stages, a lot of weird stuff happens.Battlefield should go relatively even, with a probable victory for MK here.Pokemon 1, Dreamland, Yoshi's, and FD honestly go to Fox. Easy kill moves + room to run and be a bitch = 60-40 MU on those stages.Smashville all depends on who gets the most balloon pops KappaTL;DR: Fox and MK have a fuck ton of good stuff, but if it comes down to a human level, MK has to read for every hit whereas Fox doesn't need to work harder outside of at a technical level, but humans are good enough at techskill with Hax being Hax fucking Money. Stages are where Fox really shines vs MK, though it's still more than doable for MK.
Melee fox up throw up air boyz
Meta knight. Transcendent priority on every move except specials I believe, oh, and Mach Tornado. Utterly ridiculous.
I want fox to win but meta probaly would
META KINGHT
Meta Knight is stronger than Melee Fox. Brawl mechanics make Foxes combos not working
Brawl MK
Meta knight 6-4
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Fox cant egdeguard MK really. MK has even an uair string in brawl. He is the most op Char in every smash
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brawl meta knight would destroy fox easily. Fox can't even combo meta knight since he can just air dodge out of hitstun. Anyone saying fox would win must have never seen meta knight's up air
Meta knight will win. if he has brawl mechanics he'd have no hit stun! and he would just be able to juggle fox everywhere with fox's melee hitstun!
but brawl still has foxes set hitstun and knockback for shine making that move still as effective and drill shining would still work and up throw up air still would too. Also wave shine up smash would kill SUPER easily with bair also working.
fox
MK
melee fox beat brawl mk
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