Destiny 2 - IT’S BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING! Key To The Pale Heart and Creation
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- In Destiny, where the boundaries between light and dark blur into a canvas of cosmic conflict, lies a realm few have seen and even fewer understand: the Pale Heart. Today, we dive deep into this mysterious domain, where memory weaves the fabric of existence and the rules of reality are rewritten. Memory may be the key and new lore from Queen Mara hints to how this place works.
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Today we discuss the Pale Heart and it's Key the Witness seeks! This realm is full of mystery and MEMORY. Does Cayde actually exist here? or is he a memory? Is this place connected to the Awoken and their history? Let's check out some new lore
About Cayde waking up, Remember Crow wishing for Cayde?
“Memory is the key,” Red vs Blue reference!
if cayde is indeed just a memory it would be such a cool way of story telling. we long for cayde so he manifests when we enter the pale heart and here he is now but is it really him? not even he knows. this makes such an interesting and sad dynamic that really messes with the players heart and makes way for a lot of questions.
Well said!
"we long for cayde, so he manifests when we enter the pale heart" except that I seems to have been there for quite a while, a long qhile before even crow fell out the portal.
Basically if you think about it, we know darkness preserves memory and with it potentially cosciousness (shadowkeep, season of the haunted and strand lore) but only with the light that can be made manifest. Cayde is a good example of this. Ikora had visions and conversations with Cayde during season of the Haunted. He was rather irritated at Vanguard allowing his killer to roam free and fraternize but it never went beyond that (this will be fun in TFS). With light and darkness merging now he can be properly restored even if only in the pale heart due to his physical body being destroyed. If this turns out to be true the implications are enormous... just think about all the red ghosts on the moon.. maybe that's why the Witness wants to grab the controls off this first so nobody could bring back all the souls he extinguished in his quest for vengeance and have an army of countless of civilizations he put to the sword stop him.
That was a nightmare. Nightmares are pure darkness and exist to torment people. Also, it's fairly confirmed that the reason Cayde is back is because Crow accidentally made a wish to Riven
no one's ever really gone...
Nightmares at what people think the people would react. Zavala's wife was a good example of this. He thought she would never forgive him but in reality she wanted him to forgive himself for years. Or when Ghaul was angry at Caitali but when he was restored as a memory, he was kinda proud of Caitali and how she has grown and how she now has a light bearer on her council. The reason Ikora was tormented by Cayde is because that's what she feels like Cayde would be like to her because she knew who Crow was but did nothing. (Thankfully that is. I love this dude so much. No homo of course)
I haven’t watched the video yet if bro is tied to the darkness here and if we purge the pale heart of the darkness maybe our boy leaves with it. 😢
@kado641 No, he's the vendor for the Pale Heart. He's not leaving. And the portal is permanent. There's no way to get rid of the darkness here because it's part of the world.
0:10 THAT SWORD LOOKS SICK!
Facts
Time lines? Time does not come in lines, it comes in circles. That is why clocks are round. (Michael Caboose, Red Vs Blue)
You know sometimes the most insightful words come from the person you least expect and in a joking manner.
Seeing as the Witness is an amalgam of his entire species, would their memories be shaping things as much as the Witness's own? Or would theirs be subsumed, suppressed as so much else of their individuality must be, to give the Witness a singular Will?
It seems like the witness doesn't really "remember" it's past, cuz around the monolith it's just corrupted and horrifying and weird
The witness doesn't remember what it was like before becoming the witness. The precursors that had control over the forming of the witness made it so it didn't know what was before it became one because it needed to be absolute in its motivation and unyielding
@@roenomel_6437Guardians also have no recollection of their death yet the portal seems to conjure up memories from that time so... No ruling it out
Cayde could be Uldrens wish, he has hinted it was his biggest regret before going into the portal
Except that... No. Cayde seems to have been there a great while before Crow fell out the portal, and I don't think Riven was able to grant more then the 15th wish
I wonder how Crow didn’t realize he felt Mara elsewhere while speaking to Riven.
From my understanding it's not really a conscious thing all of the time; it's more something he has to focus on, albeit not very hard. Also I'm sure Wish magic would be able to solve that issue either way
Its something he has to focus on. But theres no need to focus on it if you can see her on front of you. Also he wasnt excatly... Well... Sane
@@taot5655 he wasn’t sane during forsaken I would say he’s a lot more sane this time
The Light inside the Traveller will have been untamed. Then when the Witness entered and pulled in the Darkness, it will have awoken all of the memories of Sol.
Then the combination of those memories and the Light of the Pale Heart will cause these memories to be made manifest to us.
Taniks never dies , he is the main villain of franchise 😅
Inside the traveler is the DCV
Damn correlating the traveler to the akhashic is absolutely mind blowing.
This is one hell of a video. Subbing asap
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Haha, we run into a flesh and blood Taniks, and he's depressed to hell, wondering where his augments went, and why he can't get new ones.
Dude thanks so much. You're the best.
Probably this doesn't link with this video, but don't forget that the ghosts have to tell us why they have wake us up and blessing us with the light (i don't know why im remembering this now, but just want to leave this here for speculations)
I think the Traveler surrounded by BF ships resembling a Ghost is definitely a huge hint
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx you mean that he revived us because we have to defeat the witness? The way the ghost say that seems something more "hidden", but it can definitely be like you say
I think “Those who witnessed the end, and returned as a beginning”, is referring to our guardian, or maybe guardians in general. Our past selves witnessed the collapse, and now we’ve returned as a guardian that began this 10 year story of light and dark.
So is there going to be an event at the end of the wish season and before the final shape to show how we get in or is it going to be the first mission?
I think there’s one last piece of seasonal story to explain this.
There's going to be an end of season mission but how it relates to entry of the pale heart we are unsure
Memory or not you can still put memories into an Exo body in theory he can be brought back, itd be a complete waist if they didn't
I still want to know if we’ll see Ghaul again since the traveler absorbed him into itself.
Ghaul wasn’t absorbed he was obliterated by a blast of light
He wasn’t absorbed, he was literally decimated right in front of us
It’s our throne world.
I wonder if we'll have to "die" to get in.
Or if any of the other famous dead guardians are there too.
Sorry I’m a little foggy are you insinuating that the pale heart is where the awoken came from or are you insinuating the pale heart is something like where the awoken came from
Something similar, The Distributary is NOT the pale heart
Or perhaps even Oryx? The Taken King as Disciple? What of TAOX? Will she, who knew the Siblings as Krill, before they became the Hive Gods we know ?
I always thought it was a bit of a waste to introduce Oryx and then kill him in the same expansion. He's a great character only second to Savathun imo.
I know I wouldn't complain if Oryx somehow came back.
Didnt the lore explain how cade came back? With crow encountering his 'sister' before leaving through the portal? 'o brother mine'
The way Cayde talks makes it seem he's been there for a long while
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Destiny lore: 5:36
There is an exit and it's quite easy...
Just return to orbit
I think that Cayde might be a memory, and not actually there. Hopefully he is actually there, but I'm thinking not. If you read the Trespasser sidearm lore tab, it shows that Cayde is Ikora's personal Nightmare, like how Ghaul was Caiatl's and the first time we see Cayde in relation to the Pale Heart is a conversation with Ikora. Seems kind of too intentional. Maybe after we defeat the Witness either in the Raid or the 8th mission after it, We may be able to manifest something that's within the Pale Heart to the real world and we may choose Cayde in the same way we freed Crow from the Spider's servitude in Season of the Hunt. idk if Cayde'll have the light or a Ghost, or he'll be like Eris and Osiris, Lightless Guardians who lost their Ghosts.
Or something new a guardian who wield the light without a ghost
We have a lore tab of Crow accidentally making a wish to Riven to bring Cayde back
I would say it's a safe presumption that "this" Cayde in FS will have the Light; in the trailer he talks about feeling the corruption of the Witness, among other things, which insinuates a connection with the Traveler, ie a connection to the Light, ie Light-bearing
Will we use the black heart blue prints to try to make our own way in since it’s a sort of failed veil copy?
no we made a wish to let crow get in, only one person can go through the portal though, but crow has a connection to his sister, mara sov, like they can literally feel each others heartbeat, and the connection has a bunch of other convenient-for-the-plot stuff going on with it, so somehow we will use that connection to transport ourselves, the vanguard, and potentially our allies into the pale heart of the traveler
Elsie not helping anymore is such a shame
I mean she does help, just not us personally. She's helping Shaxx in defending the city at the moment, read Elsie's rifle lore.
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6:28 a memory is physical and we see the potentials related by neurons reflecting the differences or predictions or imagination. Thoughts aren’t outside the head but if you think of the light and stuff on the outside shaping you then you understand a little that it’s both, sharing. We are not separated and sharing the differences using the differences. Words aren’t non physical, thoughts are neurons sharing with the body to predict relatives.
I think to understand the Darkness, you have to understand this fictional universe on its own terms. the universe of Destiny operates on the assumption that information can exist independently of any kind of physical substrate. Strand is the minds of all beings made accessible without interfacing with their brains, Stasis is the ability to bring anything to a complete standstill.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx this exactly. Going off of OP's comment, yes that is what we know to be true IRL, but in Destiny it's not the exact same (for story purposes), as you mentioned.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx hey dingleberry, i never said i didn’t understand haha before you try to jump on me maybe understand what I’m saying. Just because i understand reality that doesn’t mean i can’t see the unreal through the real. I mean you can misunderstand and project but it doesn’t mean i said it or mean what you’re spewing. The game is made from the real and the real is always changing/sharing the differences so I’m not lost or whatever. Destiny doesn’t operate on the unreal, the real is used to show something unreal, a potential by relationship. I wasn’t saying anything wrong or whatever so why jump on me? Nvm i don’t care but maybe read this and reflect. Thank you for your input.
I was thinking it was Crow who conjured Cayde! Maybe!? Since Crow/Uldred and Mara perhaps are akin to the Pale Heart itself... plus his link to his memories of Caydes murder. Perhaps one of Crow's regrets/wishes.
The reason people are saying Ikora is because Cayde is Ikora's Nightmare; Crow's Nightmare is Uldren.
Yes of course Crow feels regret/guilt for his past self's actions, but it's closer to Ikora's heart than it is Crow's
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Cayde intercepts Crow and is very angry. By the time we get there he has killed Crow millions of times … working his way through the most creative he can think of …
Say what you want about them, but the Witness seems like a handy individuals