While 2 tbsp is the correct measurement for 6 fl oz of water, I believe the issue people are having here is the title of video. Perhaps a better title would have been "How much ground coffee and water to add when making coffee in a drip brewer to limit any waste". Everyone has their favorite coffee mug, but if you know you are only going to drink 3 - 9 fl oz cups over the course of a few hours, you would want to know how much of the grounds to add to a total 27 fl oz. For some his explanation was too long, but he did throughly explain the challenges of different sized coffee mugs and the amount of grounds. Nice short videos are sometimes good, but I suspect he was making this video with the intent of going over the challenges involved and not just giving a simple answer. Use Google if you want a short and concise answer!
YEAH IF YOU'RE A PUSSY. A REAL MAN WAKES UP 5 AM EVERY MORNING AND DRINKS ATLEAST 3 CUPS. STRAIGHT BLACK AND GETS THE DARK ROAST. WHICH IS EVEN STRONGER WITH THE HIGHEST CAFFEINE CONTENT WITH A PLAIN WHITE COFFEE MUG
on average probably but i just used 1 tablespoon per cup and it was a bit on the hot strong side.....made my ass hair cover my bald spot lol What im looking for is a good ratio.....i use to have one that my parents used and it was perfect......unfortunately i forget it after using that damn kurig.
Been Making Coffee for years. Been listening to people explain how to make coffee for years. Yours is one of the best explanations i have ever heard. The manufactures don't make it easy with the "Coffee Cup" measure. Good Job
Thanks 😊so very much, I was LOST 😢, you explained everything in the best way...🎉 And thanks to you, I was able to UNDERSTAND. Best video. Now I can enjoy my ☕ coffee thanks to you. Columbia SC.
I like how you explained the 4 times that cup and 4 times the heep. I know this might sound stupid, but I used to use a spoonful of coffee grinds for each cup. Then, I got new silverware. All of my spoons are bigger, now almost all my coffee pot's numbers are gone. So, I'm starting over, and having to use a regular measuring spoon. Also, I'm having family from out of town staying with me for a week, and I want to have coffee for them. Thank you.
Thank you so much for basic instructions! I drink espresso, French press, or pour over coffee--I know how to make all of those. My husband is staying with his elderly parents, taking care of them, and he needs to know how to make their coffee with a Mr. Coffee machine. This did the trick.
Thank you!! this makes way more sense!! i was cleaning the carafe before use as the instructions told me to and was trying to figure out how much water to put and it didn't make sense! it even says to use 12 cups and run the coffee maker before the 1st use and when i added the "12 cups" it only brewed 10! i made my first brew this am and it was a disaster.
Awesome video! I've been trying to figure this out for a while now. I think that is a simple solution, just use the cup you'll usually be drinking from and do a scoop per cup. Then just take note of the reservoir where that lines up around the marks. Once you know about where that is based on how many cups you usually make, you can just eyeball it.
Spectacular Video Sir - Good work on the the cup sizes. Answered my question and can now drink coffee without wondering If I am mucking it up. Canada Thanks You eh. Best Line was ...4:30 "...Probably Excessive... but Possible
Great video. For me, using the metric system, I use 8 grams of coffee powder to 1.5 deciliter of water. I use a kitchen scale so it is 8 grams of coffee to 150 grams of water. For my thermos, I use 28 grams of coffee and 530 grams of water.
I just did this exact thing a month ago. I realized the measurements don't match up on the carafe n the reservoir itself. I use my measuring cup instead
Not everyone has one of those scupers that come with some coffee grounds. I use a tablespoon measuring spoon and do 1 heaping per cup of coffee. Tastes great and I perk coffee on my stovetop.
I made this then poured it in my glass. But at the bottom of my glass/cup there was a sludge of coffee. Couldn't drink finish it. Is it normal for the sludge to be there at the bottom of the glass?
A very handy tip from RUclips. Put the water through the machine once without the coffee grounds. Then pour the hot water back in the tank, then put it through again with the coffee grounds in place. You get better coffee.
I was just trying to find out if I fill the water up to the six in my coffee maker how many scoops will that be. I still don’t know. It was a good video but I already started putting water in my coffee maker.
Hello Sr. thank you for the detailed explanation. You would get a little coffee trophy from me because you are exactly correct. For years I've done commercial coffee brewing in giant pots in hotel kitchens for example and when it comes to a basic home 4 cup of brewing coffee there's no real explanation. of course I figure it out also with the measuring cup and the particular cop that I would drink the coffee out of, but still a heaping 2 tbsp could be two and a half tablespoon or maybe 3 tbsp for a darker brew. It is kind of funny but I understand it boils down to the taste of the actual drinker... I do want to compliment you on your video and the way that you explain things clearly and I will give you my thumbs up And subscribe just for the fun of it. Congratulations !
Another thing people overlook all the time is the water quality! Don't use tap water or well water. Use filtered, or use bottled from the 5 gallon water jug like I do.
Fast forward to 6:36 and just use a rounded ( for strong coffee use a heaping ) teaspoon for a cup of water That's what I use in my 1973 Havest Gold Proctor Silex 6 cup percolator I got ya fam
Thanks for your video-- I just want to say your coffee scoop doesnt look like it would hold 2tbsp. At first you said 2 tsp then changed it. So how much does it hold? I didnt get a scoop with my proctor silex but I have another scoop I can use that I know is 1 tbsp.
He did say it 2 tablespoon. However since, he changing his measurement of amount of water he adds in, he added a little more. That was the change since he is adjusting his measurement bases on his cup or measuring cup.
Not to mention, here in America, many bags of pre-ground or whole bean coffee from the local market will read: "Use 1 Tablespoon of coffee for 6 fl. ounces of water." -- Now, you and I know that 8 ounces is a cup, so they are telling you that 1 Tablespoon is not even 1 Cup of Coffee, but rather 3/4. Feels a little strange.
so for one cup of coffee u need 2 tablespoons of coffee ( if u dont have that scoop u showed) and also i always drink just one every morning. is this bad for the machine to put just 1cup of water? cause all of them say minimum 2..it is just a sign or is the machine gonna malfunction in time if u always use small amounts of water? thanks
James Hoffman, the guru of coffee says it is all about taste and what you like. If you use the recommended amount on the bag, you are wasting coffee. I brew with a Breville Precision machine. In the morning I load 60 oz of water and eight level tablespoons of fresh ground coffee beans. At night I make two cups of coffee, and I use 5 tablespoons of ground beans. My drinking cup holds two measured cups of coffee or 16 oz's
I had to laugh at 2:54 after reading the comments. It’s an interesting video with good information but he does talk on and on. it’s confusing with a lot over complications. Lol. He does make it sound like a complex math class.
In my 12-cup coffee maker I feel the filter with coffee grounds and I even push it down to get more coffee in it yes a big container of Folgers coffee only lasts me of mouth and I'm the only one drinking out of it yes I drink all day at home because I'm home all day and I have a metal thermos which I put creamer in it not very much creamer and yes I love the drinking medium roast coffee I just go through a lot of it monthly budget of coffee one big can of Folgers every monthly
Downright silly explanation. The size of cup you use is irrelevant. What matters is the amount of coffee PER six ounces to be brewed. Two ounces of ground coffee for 6 ounces of water is the formula. Drink however much you can get into your cup and you'll get consistent coffee taste. If it isn't sufficiently strong, increase the amount of ground coffee for each 6 ounces of water. This is not rocket science and has NOTHING to do with the size of cup you prefer drinking from.
Wow yeah I was WAYYY off. I knew something was up when I was filling up the coffee pot one fluid ounce at a time trying to follow the instructions on the side of my new fancy coffee bag to a Tee. Before, I was always told at work to just use the scoop 3 times and then fill it to twelve with water haha. Never knew what any of the numbers meant and always guessed it was fluid ounces. Haha no wonder my coffee was so light the first time I tried making it 🤭 So since I use an 8 oz mug for coffee. I'm just going to fill up my mug with water for however many cups I'm trying to make. And then do a heaping scoop of coffee grinds per cup. Does that sound right fellow RUclips commentators??
The best method is to use a ratio of grams of coffee to 1 liter of water. Invest in an accurate set of kitchen scales. 60 grams of coffee to 1 liter of water is a good starting point. For imperial units that ratio would be 2.1 ounces of coffee to 34 ounces of water. You can then decide if you want your coffee stronger or weaker. As a side note, a traditional “cup” of coffee is 5 ounces. That was set back in the 1970’s by Mr. Coffee and was eventually accepted by the majority of manufacturers of drip coffee makers.☕️
I love the analysis of the probem myself. I was reading 10 grams of coffee per 100 milliitres of water. Really? I don't have a gram scale unfortunately. Do you?
You won't get the 4 cups you expected because the grounds in the filter basket will retain some water. You should've used approx. 4.5 cups of water to get your 4 full cups of coffee.
bloom4mee i have the same coffeemaker and for a good cup of coffee i will use roughly 40 grams (give or take 2 depending on your taste) for 27 ounces (1.11.0 ounces) and that gives my spouse and I exactly 2 cups (1 each) of coffee in our 'round 10 ounce mugs. If we want 2 cups each we just double it.
bloom4mee Now, i did watch another persons video where 60 grams of coffee for every 1 liter of water was recommended. Im going to try that in the morning and see how it goes. ***60 grams per liter gave me basically the same strength coffee i usually make i just ended up with 2.5 cups of coffee as opposed to my usual even 2. And tbh, who the heck wants a half cup of good coffee?
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For people that just wanna get to the the point, it’s 2tbsp (table spoons) for a regular cup of coffee
I appreciated the video either way but thank you for the actual measurement. I don’t have the scooper he has on video.
Thank you!
While 2 tbsp is the correct measurement for 6 fl oz of water, I believe the issue people are having here is the title of video. Perhaps a better title would have been "How much ground coffee and water to add when making coffee in a drip brewer to limit any waste". Everyone has their favorite coffee mug, but if you know you are only going to drink 3 - 9 fl oz cups over the course of a few hours, you would want to know how much of the grounds to add to a total 27 fl oz. For some his explanation was too long, but he did throughly explain the challenges of different sized coffee mugs and the amount of grounds. Nice short videos are sometimes good, but I suspect he was making this video with the intent of going over the challenges involved and not just giving a simple answer. Use Google if you want a short and concise answer!
YEAH IF YOU'RE A PUSSY. A REAL MAN WAKES UP 5 AM EVERY MORNING AND DRINKS ATLEAST 3 CUPS. STRAIGHT BLACK AND GETS THE DARK ROAST. WHICH IS EVEN STRONGER WITH THE HIGHEST CAFFEINE CONTENT WITH A PLAIN WHITE COFFEE MUG
on average probably but i just used 1 tablespoon per cup and it was a bit on the hot strong side.....made my ass hair cover my bald spot lol
What im looking for is a good ratio.....i use to have one that my parents used and it was perfect......unfortunately i forget it after using that damn kurig.
Thank you for making this video. Never grew up drinking coffee and need to learn how. I appreciate your help. Blessings
Been Making Coffee for years. Been listening to people explain how to make coffee for years. Yours is one of the best explanations i have ever heard. The manufactures don't make it easy with the "Coffee Cup" measure. Good Job
Watched this video 4 times.... in the end, decided I'm fine with tea.
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Lmao me too
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Absolute best video on this topic so far. Thank you. Now my girlfriend and I are Learn-ed.
Thanks 😊so very much, I was LOST 😢, you explained everything in the best way...🎉 And thanks to you, I was able to UNDERSTAND. Best video. Now I can enjoy my ☕ coffee thanks to you. Columbia SC.
I use a cheap Mr. Coffee brewer, 8 tbsp to 12 cups of water and it yields 10 to 11 actual cups of coffee because the grounds retain some water.
I found your tutorial informative and quite helpful, thx 🙏
This is a brilliant video for various reasons
Thank you Coffee Detective. Looking forward to my next cup of coffee using this method.
I like how you explained the 4 times that cup and 4 times the heep. I know this might sound stupid, but I used to use a spoonful of coffee grinds for each cup. Then, I got new silverware. All of my spoons are bigger, now almost all my coffee pot's numbers are gone. So, I'm starting over, and having to use a regular measuring spoon. Also, I'm having family from out of town staying with me for a week, and I want to have coffee for them. Thank you.
best video over this drip machine thanks so much now i can use my machine the way it should be used ,thanks again
Thank you so much for basic instructions! I drink espresso, French press, or pour over coffee--I know how to make all of those. My husband is staying with his elderly parents, taking care of them, and he needs to know how to make their coffee with a Mr. Coffee machine. This did the trick.
Very helpful, confusing at the start, but solidly understood by the end :) have always been an instant man, and have only just purchased a drip brewer
Excellent video, I love the complete instructions and examples, it really helped me. Love the accent too!
Community Coffee! Louisiana represent!
Thank you!! this makes way more sense!! i was cleaning the carafe before use as the instructions told me to and was trying to figure out how much water to put and it didn't make sense! it even says to use 12 cups and run the coffee maker before the 1st use and when i added the "12 cups" it only brewed 10! i made my first brew this am and it was a disaster.
Thanks so much. Very detailed and very helpful indeed.👍🏼☕️❤️
What was the water level on the coffee maker after putting in 4 cups of water from the measuring cup?
Thank you so much for sharing this tip! I've been trying to figure out this for a while
Awesome video! I've been trying to figure this out for a while now. I think that is a simple solution, just use the cup you'll usually be drinking from and do a scoop per cup. Then just take note of the reservoir where that lines up around the marks. Once you know about where that is based on how many cups you usually make, you can just eyeball it.
I’m gonna go with this, good ideal, very simple. Thank you
Thanks a bunch , I’ve just prepared one of my best coffee cups I’ve ever tasted .
Spectacular Video Sir - Good work on the the cup sizes. Answered my question and can now drink coffee without wondering If I am mucking it up. Canada Thanks You eh. Best Line was ...4:30 "...Probably Excessive... but Possible
Great video. For me, using the metric system, I use 8 grams of coffee powder to 1.5 deciliter of water. I use a kitchen scale so it is 8 grams of coffee to 150 grams of water. For my thermos, I use 28 grams of coffee and 530 grams of water.
Best answer. I'm an American but recently discovered the beauty of the Metric system.
I use a heaped scoop (supplied) for every two cups of water marked on the Carafe. It comes out strong and delicious every time.
I just did this exact thing a month ago. I realized the measurements don't match up on the carafe n the reservoir itself. I use my measuring cup instead
Love Community Coffee! Another reason to miss Louisiana!
what if I have coffee beans do I need to ground em up or will they work just with hot water over them? can I use a magic nutr-bullet to grind beans?
How about for a whole pot?? Going by the measurements the coffee basket should be full of grounds
Get to the damn point! X amount of coffee to X amount of water.
exactly
Thank you!
If you want that, just fucking google it
CamCoEntertainment then why did you watch the video 😕
2 heaping tablespoons per cup and a half of water works for me
I’m glad he explained because all of what he explained I was confused about lol
How much does the scoop hold?? He mentions teaspoons and tablespoons. Which is it?
Good video, you nailed it. 1 heaping spoon per 1 cup of water :) easy.
Thank you for this! Tired of the Keurig water reservoir!
What's mug size matter if the cups are right on the brewer? Long winded explanation that left me more confused than I was to begin with, perfect!
thank you, I drink coffee all day. this helps
Not everyone has one of those scupers that come with some coffee grounds. I use a tablespoon measuring spoon and do 1 heaping per cup of coffee. Tastes great and I perk coffee on my stovetop.
I made this then poured it in my glass. But at the bottom of my glass/cup there was a sludge of coffee. Couldn't drink finish it. Is it normal for the sludge to be there at the bottom of the glass?
A very handy tip from RUclips. Put the water through the machine once without the coffee grounds. Then pour the hot water back in the tank, then put it through again with the coffee grounds in place. You get better coffee.
I was just trying to find out if I fill the water up to the six in my coffee maker how many scoops will that be. I still don’t know. It was a good video but I already started putting water in my coffee maker.
8 tbsp
excellent tutorial
This was helpful. Thanks!
How many scoops of coffee grounds for one whole pot of coffee that has 12 cups marked on it?
12 tablespoons
I do Folgers medium) and I do 3/4 cups of coffee to a pot (12 cups/6oz ea) and a pinch of baking soda! BREW!
What about if your makinag a pot
The coffee producers and coffee machine makers have decided that a "cup" of coffee is 6 fluid ounces.
Ok do it taste? Because 5 minutes and I am clueless at what the answer is. Confusing video
What if I have 5 cup coffee maker how many tablespoons of coffee should i put in. It's not a mug. Just a regular coffee cup
good video, but wtf is fluid oz?
Thank you thank you thank you... this completely helps me
So helpful, thank you!!
Thank You for this great information!🙏🏻😀😀
Hello Sr. thank you for the detailed explanation. You would get a little coffee trophy from me because you are exactly correct. For years I've done commercial coffee brewing in giant pots in hotel kitchens for example and when it comes to a basic home 4 cup of brewing coffee there's no real explanation. of course I figure it out also with the measuring cup and the particular cop that I would drink the coffee out of, but still a heaping 2 tbsp could be two and a half tablespoon or maybe 3 tbsp for a darker brew.
It is kind of funny but I understand it boils down to the taste of the actual drinker... I do want to compliment you on your video and the way that you explain things clearly and I will give you my thumbs up And subscribe just for the fun of it. Congratulations !
Another thing people overlook all the time is the water quality! Don't use tap water or well water. Use filtered, or use bottled from the 5 gallon water jug like I do.
Coffee tutorials have come a long way 😂
Good stuff though.
Very helpful
Are 5 coffee scoops of beans,before grinding, to much for one cup?
can you say which makes the best coffee ..
( a ) roast and ground beans
( b )spray dry coffee
(c) freeze dried coffee
its amazing how little keureg`s have in them. I realized i used too much beans.
Fast forward to 6:36 and just use a rounded ( for strong coffee use a heaping ) teaspoon for a cup of water
That's what I use in my 1973 Havest Gold Proctor Silex 6 cup percolator
I got ya fam
OMG 1973! too cool, ever given you a problem? bet coffee is good. I bought one recently and it was made like FOIL, so cheap.
Most coffee grind companies have "recommended use" printed on the bag, that tells you how many tbsp per cup.
Thanks for your video-- I just want to say your coffee scoop doesnt look like it would hold 2tbsp. At first you said 2 tsp then changed it. So how much does it hold? I didnt get a scoop with my proctor silex but I have another scoop I can use that I know is 1 tbsp.
He did say it 2 tablespoon. However since, he changing his measurement of amount of water he adds in, he added a little more. That was the change since he is adjusting his measurement bases on his cup or measuring cup.
What measurement is a "coffee scoop"
So, it kind of looked like a Tbsp.. is it 1 Tbsp/cup. That's what it looked like
Very helpful.👍
Thank you sir!
Can you explain how a real 2 cups (12 fluid oz) comes to 3.75 cups on the pitcher? Aren't they either 6 oz increments or 8 oz increments?
Not to mention, here in America, many bags of pre-ground or whole bean coffee from the local market will read: "Use 1 Tablespoon of coffee for 6 fl. ounces of water." -- Now, you and I know that 8 ounces is a cup, so they are telling you that 1 Tablespoon is not even 1 Cup of Coffee, but rather 3/4.
Feels a little strange.
so for one cup of coffee u need 2 tablespoons of coffee ( if u dont have that scoop u showed) and also i always drink just one every morning. is this bad for the machine to put just 1cup of water? cause all of them say minimum 2..it is just a sign or is the machine gonna malfunction in time if u always use small amounts of water? thanks
Angelo Poulis 17.42 (unit) water to 1 (unit)coffee grounds
Thanks, very helpful
different ground coffees need different amounts personnally i dont use more than 1 tbsp per 6 oz some times i use 3/4 of a tablespoon
Thank you
Thanks
James Hoffman, the guru of coffee says it is all about taste and what you like. If you use the recommended amount on the bag, you are wasting coffee. I brew with a Breville Precision machine. In the morning I load 60 oz of water and eight level tablespoons of fresh ground coffee beans. At night I make two cups of coffee, and I use 5 tablespoons of ground beans. My drinking cup holds two measured cups of coffee or 16 oz's
Get on with it!!!! I didn't expect Gone with the Wind length demo!!
good vid, the only problem is that I use metric and have to convert all the measurements.
Adrian McKee 17.42 (unit) water to 1 (unit)coffee grounds
How many grams of coffee would you recommend if using a travel mug with 480 ml of water?
+Frank Booth Try 27 grams of ground coffee, and then adjust according to your preference.
Thanks, that's perfect as that's around what i've been using.
Frank Booth 17.42 (unit) water to 1 (unit)coffee grounds
I had to laugh at 2:54 after reading the comments. It’s an interesting video with good information but he does talk on and on. it’s confusing with a lot over complications. Lol. He does make it sound like a complex math class.
This was cool
clear as mud :)
Amanda S mud ain’t clean bud
Patriotic American that’s the point idiot
Finally!! Thank you !!
In my 12-cup coffee maker I feel the filter with coffee grounds and I even push it down to get more coffee in it yes a big container of Folgers coffee only lasts me of mouth and I'm the only one drinking out of it yes I drink all day at home because I'm home all day and I have a metal thermos which I put creamer in it not very much creamer and yes I love the drinking medium roast coffee I just go through a lot of it monthly budget of coffee one big can of Folgers every monthly
Thanks!
He's doing a better job of confusing than explaining. Ohhhh the irony!! ;-/
Downright silly explanation. The size of cup you use is irrelevant. What matters is the amount of coffee PER six ounces to be brewed. Two ounces of ground coffee for 6 ounces of water is the formula. Drink however much you can get into your cup and you'll get consistent coffee taste. If it isn't sufficiently strong, increase the amount of ground coffee for each 6 ounces of water. This is not rocket science and has NOTHING to do with the size of cup you prefer drinking from.
2 oz of coffee?? u mean tablespoon
I totally agree. Who CARES how many "cups" according to the coffee machine equal how many "real" cups. Irrelevant!
Thaaank you 🙏🙂
Thanks, I really needed this...helps alot.
helped me out! 1 scoop = 1 cup thanks man :)
J Davies 17.42 (unit) water to 1 (unit)coffee grounds
Wow yeah I was WAYYY off. I knew something was up when I was filling up the coffee pot one fluid ounce at a time trying to follow the instructions on the side of my new fancy coffee bag to a Tee.
Before, I was always told at work to just use the scoop 3 times and then fill it to twelve with water haha. Never knew what any of the numbers meant and always guessed it was fluid ounces.
Haha no wonder my coffee was so light the first time I tried making it 🤭
So since I use an 8 oz mug for coffee. I'm just going to fill up my mug with water for however many cups I'm trying to make. And then do a heaping scoop of coffee grinds per cup. Does that sound right fellow RUclips commentators??
The best method is to use a ratio of grams of coffee to 1 liter of water. Invest in an accurate set of kitchen scales. 60 grams of coffee to 1 liter of water is a good starting point. For imperial units that ratio would be 2.1 ounces of coffee to 34 ounces of water. You can then decide if you want your coffee stronger or weaker. As a side note, a traditional “cup” of coffee is 5 ounces. That was set back in the 1970’s by Mr. Coffee and was eventually accepted by the majority of manufacturers of drip coffee makers.☕️
Ma sha Allah very detailed and helpful indeed , thank you very much for kind sharing.
Bless you sister
A container of coffee grind doesn't come with a coffee scoop anymore at least the ones that I get
Helpful.
very good
I love the analysis of the probem myself. I was reading 10 grams of coffee per 100 milliitres of water. Really? I don't have a gram scale unfortunately. Do you?
You won't get the 4 cups you expected because the grounds in the filter basket will retain some water.
You should've used approx. 4.5 cups of water to get your 4 full cups of coffee.
These people act like they're damn rocket scientists explaining a new force in the universe.... Smfh
I use 8 scoops of dark roast course grind to a 12 cup carafe of water.
heaping scoops. one per cup. saved you the watch. you're welcome.
this was excruciating. couldn't make it through
bloom4mee i have the same coffeemaker and for a good cup of coffee i will use roughly 40 grams (give or take 2 depending on your taste) for 27 ounces (1.11.0 ounces) and that gives my spouse and I exactly 2 cups (1 each) of coffee in our 'round 10 ounce mugs. If we want 2 cups each we just double it.
bloom4mee lol. Glad I could be of service
bloom4mee Now, i did watch another persons video where 60 grams of coffee for every 1 liter of water was recommended. Im going to try that in the morning and see how it goes.
***60 grams per liter gave me basically the same strength coffee i usually make i just ended up with 2.5 cups of coffee as opposed to my usual even 2. And tbh, who the heck wants a half cup of good coffee?
Brian F 17.42 (unit) water to 1 (unit)coffee grounds
Jason Watkins good grief
Fantastic topic covered. Now i have a far better idea how to enjoy a nice dark brew……no milk i hear you say ! Thanks for the info !