DRC Conflict I South Africa's role: Jakkie Cilliers
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- International leaders have called for renewed dialogue between Rwanda and the DRC, but there is no indication that the DRC is willing to pursue a diplomatic solution over a military one despite the fall of Goma. Turkish officials offered to mediate the conflict between the DRC and Rwanda during a summit between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Rwandan President Paul Kagame on January 25, but the DRC declined. DRC President Félix Tshisekedi dropped out of an emergency videoconference with Kagame to be mediated by Kenyan President William Ruto and the East African Community on January 29. This morning we will focus on South Africa's role and intervention in the DRC. Joining us virtually to discuss this is a political analyst and Head of the African Futures & Innovation at the Institute for Security Studies Jakkie Cilliers.
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But why can’t Tshisekedi negotiate with M23 whose families have been persecuted and now living in refugee camps around the region? Even if Rwanda or any other country was supporting M23, it doesn’t erase the cause of the latter, which is survival.
This is flaming, South Africa has been busy fighting. Yesterday, I saw their army requesting the m23 to help them go to the field to look for the comrades who lost their live while fighting the m23!
What alie!
How true is your statement, did you witness this yourself or you were told by other people 🤔.
It is obviously that our Government is telling us the real truth where this matter is concerned 😢😢😢.
@rejoiceinthelord3406 no sister, he is right, SANDF soldiers are kinda locked somewhere but not as prisoners as such but they can not fight anymore. Rwanda television visited them and they are asking m23 to help them to go out to bring back the sandf soldiers who died at the battlefield. And some of them are saying that they need to back home. You should check out yourself
Rwandan operative
@@rejoiceinthelord3406all bunch of Rwandan operative
@@rejoiceinthelord3406 it's! do you want a link? I can give it to you. Your government is lying to you all
SA is doing what is the right thing to do because no one should abuse another country which is also a member of SADC.
When DRC will stabilize, it will benefit all the region and improve the GDP of SADC (it has been a success story these last years and Kagame can't stand that. He lost a lot economically and financially with delays in payment of some administrative workers...).
The only mistake, Tshisekedi did was to join EAC. He didn't understand what SADC is. Now he knows.
We are abused by Zimbabwe and Somalia have we gotten any help?
@dumisaninxumalo5245 Rwandan operatives How I know? Somalia is not in SADC and Kenyan, Ugandan mainly have been in Somalia for decades...
You see how Rwanda operates... misleading...
What are you talking about EAC , only took 6 months to take Goma and Drc president removed them and now in 4 months of SADC . They are back and taken surrounding areas.
Plus Somalia didn't have a government then but now it's developing.
@ Are we not SADEC as South Africans ? and in fact DRC is not in Southern Africa . SADEC means Southern African Development Community. How did a country in the Eastern Africa become SADEC except ANC tricks being involved ? Now it is backfiring .Its like South Africa being called American South Africa dont you think .That is colonialism
@cosmasaoko2607 M23= RDF= UDF = EAC
Rwandan operatives are all around SABC. Very active in the comment section.
Rwanda can't have real democracy, Tutsis will lose control of the country, that's unacceptable to them.
True everywhere Rwanda and South Africa's is being mentioned they immediately send their bots to come in the comment section
They put comments with false made up stories of victimisation of Tutsis etc, they are very manipulative and lie a lot this ppl
DRC government must sit down with its own people in M23 and its neignbours before engaging SADC and Romania mercenaries,
RDF BOTS IN COMMENTS, WHY Kagame Care why he is in CONGO ISSUES ?
M23 is not congolese movement it's Rwanda don't be misinformed. That's what they claiming but it's false. If they congolese why they don't want to be identified?
M23 are not Congolese
@ and that is why kagame speak for them. they have none to speak for them but rwanda
Hi James, You need informed well aand do not based your jugement on what you get from the media alone. Here are the questions: 1. Who are the M23?, they are the rwandeses that Kabila father sent back to rwanda. There is a lot of tribes in DRC that you also find in neighbouring countries but only the Tustsi M23 that fight to occupy the east and forcefully demand to be integreted into the army?🤔.
Wonderful analysis 👍
M23 is kagame him self that is the problem
💯 true
😂 Cyril , Radebe and Glencore interests are the problems. They been exposed
You can’t call RDF a Militia group and it is taken lightly!
Rwanda has right to defend it's self 🇷🇼
RDF BOTS, defend yourself while making millions of deaths? Blood suckers
where? Remember, Rwanda is a land locked country.
The same UN reports accuse the DRC of direct collaboration with the FDLR, but y'all so called experts don't wanna talk about that.🤭
The DRC president and other officials can casually vow to overthrow the governmemt of Rwanda but none of you all talks about that.
Did your military coalition(more than 60K soldiers) stop the M23 from capturing territory after territory and now the city of Goma?😅
Unless you contribute to addressing the root cause of this conflict without taking sides for your personal interests, there is NOTHING you will ever do, that will change the situation. It does not matter who you are or how powerful you think you are.😄(You should have learned from the past 30 years) But carry on.🤗🤗
My sentiment exactly . They avoid it by all means
They are sticking to the "NARRATIVE", the mining cartels are threatened.
SADC and South Africa SANDF should stop fighting alongside FDLR genociders and European imperialist mercenary contractors who have now surrendered to the mighty M23 Congolese freedom fighters.
Very correct. SOUTH AFRICA is wrong here and the fact that Zanupf is supporting fdlr is alarming
@@emmanziza5133 💯👌 they must stop this bickering and come together as one🤞I bet you SA soldiers in the DRC are not willing to die for Greedy Politicians🙏
Meanwhile, congolese minerals going to rwanda to make kagame rich for the last 30years killing and displacing people on the ground for the mercy of white westerners, the refugees of Congo continue to go in South Africa etc... kagame is the problem in the region
No, you really do not know what is going on. Those Romanian Mercenaries, 70% of which are not even Romanian, was a Western strategy to portray the narrative that M23 is strong. They were hired and paid by the West to "act" defeated and now tell this fictitious story to the Western media. Its all propaganda.
.....Other brothers who share borders with Congo have no problems ....why is Rwanda?
There are so many ways to help with those issues rather than cutting corners...
FDLR genocidal( intergrated now in fardc)
Tell me which one of those other countries have gone through a genocide?
You must be grossly ignorant and/or a blatant IDIOT to paddle this irresponsible and naive assertion. Have you followed the fall-out between DRC and Ughanda (under the Kabilas) on the same subject (cross border nationalities and Berlin imposed border lines). The confrontation between Mobutu's Zaire thugs and Burundi 1996, rings no arlam to your brain cells?
DRC
The M23 is not a Congolese, nationalistic movement or a military rebel group. It's a false narrative from the M23. There are 450 tribes in DRC, we leave peacefully and intermarriage are very spread, common, long before the colonisation in 1885 and decolonisation in 1960.
No, the Tutsi tribe is from Rwanda, as the Hutu and Twa.
Some Tutsis have been deported in Congo (Kivu provinces and Katanga/Shaba provinces) for forced work by the Belgians during the colonisation era.
Tutsis are a nilotic origin tribe who are not part of the Congo ethnic tribes, as the Belgian colonizers recognized when they draw the ethnic map of their 2 colonies, Belgian Congo 1885-1960 and Ruanda-Urundi kingdom under Belgian colonial rule from 1919 to 1962.
In the year of independence, it split into two nations, Rwanda and Burundi
The majority of the M23 men are Tutsis. They are warmongers because of their leader, Pdt Kagame, working for Western nations economic interests.
It is a proxy war, conducted by a military group, M23, for a mineral proxy war led by Rwandan president Kagame for the European Union and other Western nations.
Rwanda is not a 3T mineral rich country, but nevertheless it signed a scandalous deal with the European union :
www.rwandainun.gov.rw/actualites/info-details/eu-and-rwanda-sign-a-memorandum-of-understanding-on-sustainable-raw-materials-value-chains
And
ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_6724
In order to secure cheaply to Europe and the US (smuggling to Rwanda instead of paying export fees to Kinshasa, the capital of DRC ) the supply of strategic minerals for the energetic transition, such as the Tantalum, Tin, Tungsten, (the 3 T) and other important minerals in abundance there, such as Cobalt, Nobium, Gold, Diamonds, Pyrochlorine minerals etc....
DRC government filed a suit against Apple for the same reason.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8g540wz3jo
M23 is in majority a monoethnic armed group (a Rwandan tribe, the Tutsis, leads the military group, the few Congolese men in the M23 group are puppets in order to make pass M23 as a Congolese rebel group.
Such as the Congolese leader, Corneille Nangaa, of the political branch of M23, the AFC, in French (Alliance Fleuve Congo). This man, Corneille Nangaa obeys to orders from Rwandan officers and their chief, Kagame, himself.
Rwanda doesn't have huge strategic minerals mines in order to export it to Europe and the US as it does. Minerals are smuggled from the neighbour, DRC.
The common people of DRC is aware about what is going on. It is the sovereignty of an entire nation which is at stake.And in a bigger dimension, the sovereignty of any African nation.
That's why, the DRC Pdt Tshisekedi is right to refuse negotiations with the M23. He was willing to negotiate only with Rwandan Pdt Kagame, but many times this man displayed his hypocrisy by not abiding to the agreements of the Nairobi and Luanda peace process.
Pdt Kagame didn't even come to the last meeting in Luanda, Angola. Pdt Tshisekedi went there for nothing.
Kagame s 'goal, and therefore the goal of his western masters is to gain time, to overthrow Tshisekedi and put a conciliant leader at the head of the DRC to continue to plunder this nation.
This war is against imperialism, so DRC should look for Russian military cooperation, as Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, Tchad successfully did, and join the BRICS, full stop.
If you play stupid games - you will end up winning stupid prizes. South Africa should pull its troops out eastern DRC. Leave it to Paul Kagame, Felix Tshisekedi and the East African Community to solve. We have no business there.
There are no such excuses about the past ... Those bad habits have to stop...Africa is a massive watch out ... We need peace...✌️
Yeah it is understandable that we need peace. That is why M23 is fighting to ensure that Kinyarwanda-speaking people and all Congolese citizens can have peace. Tell Tshisekedi to stop committing genocide, but if he refuses to listen, this war will continue until he loses the entire Kivu region. we want peace.✌
We need peace, not the expense of Africans being dispossessed of their motherland by minerals looting thugs who pretend under artificial and superficial Berlin imposed borders. There can never be peace through MILITARY OFFENSIVE (unless someone is smoking what the comedian in Ukraine smokes.......with his "peace through stregnth" rediculous assertion).
Kagame thinks uri tswere ka game kani nah, Phakama SADC ❤
Phakama and aid genociders and tribalist ethinic cleaners? This is not ben-10 catoons, people are dying and more are going to die and you forget that you leave in a "borderless country".
S.A must leave UN in order to Hlasela without following any UN orders in their policy
If there were qualifications considered for someone to become a standout out president, DRC and Burundi could have different presidents. From the way they give speech to the audience, they way they react to issues and the way they all want to rely on those external forces it's very unprofessional.
Calling young generation to fight for the country while current troops are surrendering and joining the rebel. It there was a qualified president in DRC is issues could have been resolved in negotiation. Now I wonder who is really destroying the country Shkisekedi government or M23. Government has stopped supplying water and cut electricity in these regions without caring those citizens, people are now drinking and using lake water 💧 while the government denies to talk to M23. This issue is political and everyone has their own benefits. Shkizekedi doesn't want peace conversation with M23 so he thinks fighting is what will give him the love and support from citizens for the next election. Prey for DRC
Kagame is killing
Fighting will never solve the problem, negotiation will. President of DRC thinks that having many solders would finish the problem.
South Africa government must stop their collaboration with FDLR and Mercenaries, we , Rwandans we are ready to defend our own country.
Your skinny dictator ain't it, SADC will defend its region.
The problem is the minerals resources, kagame want to control congo materials
Mineral? 😅 You have no idea what's going on. It's bigger than that
This is a great test that pan africanism is a fact or fallacy 😊
How is SABC is feel as they keep mis informing people
Zimbabwe ine mazungairwa. 😢😢😢 Vatounganidzwa apa vana havasikudzidzi chembere dzirikufira mumba nekushaya help kumaclinic
They were sent in a long place , better if they go back home safe.
How come a journalist can not understand that kagame is lying? This doesn't need a AI to see that Rwanda is in DRC and killing.
South Africa should get out of DRC.
SADC is not leaving. Touch one, touched all of SADC !
Kagame has to sit and discus with FDRL because they are Rwandese.
Come on all African countries should be one ZAR currency and no war
Congolese leader must accept those people they can't chase away people from their ancestral lands and call them rebels the war will never end my uncle was there from 1998 until 2003 they thought the war is over but the guys regroup again coz there want to go back to their land there can't be refugees for ever
SADC must be careful with Rwanda, it's not gonna be easy to attack. They have all necessary war Weapons and manpower, otherwise SADC is playing with fire.
The leader of rebels has told the world that he helped Tsisekedi rig the DRC elections, now SADC has all conflicts emanating from rigging elections.
DRC has to sit and discus with m23 period.
What are you discussing with rebels.
Same as Rwanda has to sit and discus with FDLR. BUT, it starts with DRC government acknowledging the history of injustice mitted against the Tutsi peole whilst they've been uprooted from their motherland. Again, the FDLR has to take responsibility for barbaric crimes against +800,000 Tutsi and moderate Hutu families who lost their lives (even through a tell-it-all reconciliation process). It take 2 to tango. The DRC will have to get rid of anything FDLR and Rwanda do the same with anything M23.
They wear brown uniform in a very green terrain. 🙄
The SANDF soldiers should be supported, but this conflict is ultimately for the Congolese people to resolve. They are deeply committed because they are defending their homeland, a place they know without the need for maps. External forces may not be the solution, as true peace comes when the people directly affected take the lead in securing their future. ruclips.net/video/qJl8NUEGNV0/видео.html
The SA president called the Rwanda Defence force (RDF) a militia, I don't blame the Rwandan president
That's what I said too 😂. If he isn't scared of USA and Europe and say it in broad daylight. Why would he be scared of SA president⁉️ 😂😂
@@BSMUZIKA are u serious? USA and UK are supporting Rwanda and M23
Turkey is not neutral, what happen to must be resolved by United Nations, where is UN Secretary General?
joseph kabila should be investigated
You can imagine the hate and misinformation this so-called mercenary has ? African problems sh'd be solved by African solutions
I only had something say that they are trying to remove the dog I was taking care for a decade in my life.
The dogs have been beaten so badly. So mind you.
Rama-LiesAlot is dragging SA into a war he cant win. Now our soldiers are stuck without food, ammo or water.
Cyril can't even shoot himself in the foot without running out of ammo!
Drc does not want conversion with m23 so they will fight until one of them will surrender
Then there's no need for SADC, EAC, AU and UN, or rather I say, their a plain USELESS. Tshisekedi and Kagama can never be allowed to have their bread buttered both side. They must both be forced to engage on peace talks with their nemesis, with DRC stopping chasing people out of their motherland and Rwanda begining the process of healing by pulling back from hobouring revenge against the genociders.
The most important thing, RSA need to stop AIDING Tshisekedi and his army of genociders. It is grossly irresponsible. This needs mediation not fuelling (as the mineral thieves are salivating for Goma territory mineral reserves).
Kagame is playing with fire and one day that fire will harm him badly
Well, it seems like it is the DRC that has been burning for the past 30 years.🤭
I am not exactly sure about who has been playing with fire. But carry on🤗🤗
You don't know what you're talking about, you idiot Like your boss
Some try but isn't easy
small country but Big Muscle 🇷🇼🇮🇱
What fire are you talking about? Nothing new here. That place has been on fire since the Belgians left which is over 60 years ago.
He has fire extinguisher
And what about those Congolese speak kinyarwanda killed every day?
There wont be peace till SA stays out of the Congo
SADC not SA
@thabitharampheri3218 Those people were placed there by our President and family members to look after whatever they are mining for. They are youngsters from South Africa
@thabitharampheri3218 SA is not mentioned being a member of SADC but the one white guy that got killed is an Afrikaans guy and one of the African youngsters that died, father is a friend of a guy that works with me. Most of the woman there are from Kimberley in SA
The government said that the people that died will be brought back to SA
Viva Kgame
SA should remove itself from this, the game of influences from different interests should not concern you, you have bigger “brics” to lay.
remember there was already a conflict before SADC came along. what will change if they leave?
For BRICS in Africa to truly prosper the Africa trade agreement must function is a stable region and continent
A white man will always analyse according to who he supports
Similar will a biased black man.I trust Thabo Mbeki on this
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This has nothing to do with SA, sit it out, toooooo much crap going on at home to be spending money, it doesnt have, elsewhere
The "hard working President" is looking for another SARS-SARB cleared $$$-cash bonanza, hence he is contributing in creating a quick "no-man's-land" in east DRC, using our security aparatus. He did it with concomital action in Marikana, with phalaphala in Namibia, now with mineral reserves in east DRC. Within a couple of months, Tshisekedi's "Arabian" man is going to buy lots of multi-million worth ankoles with "gold horns" in RSA and he won't collect them and the president will keep the sales in the "furniture". That's how they roll