It's time to showcase some pieces the composers weren't fond of. Do you know of any more? ♫ Sheet Music (Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King): tinyurl.com/4xak28m5 * ♫ Sheet Music (1812 Overture Excerpt | Different Version): tinyurl.com/4ympp2vp * ♫ Sheet Music (Saint-Saëns - The Swan | Different Version): tinyurl.com/57r6zprh * ♫ Sheet Music (Debussy - Rêverie): tinyurl.com/yckky6mn * ♫ Sheet Music (Rachmaninoff - Prélude in C-sharp minor): tinyurl.com/2fvjdcuk * ♫ Sheet Music (Ravel - Boléro | Different Version): tinyurl.com/kx6m9mua * * Affiliate Link
@@yorusaka3554 I was actually going to say, Chopin never wanted Fantasie Impromptu published and he wanted it burned, as he thought it was too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata
we thrive of the giant's degenerecy, for them it's an escape from their own higher self, thats why they hate it, but we lower people always like consuming the careless, desperate, overplayful, unmature versions of the great composers. hope u understooid what i was trying to say.
Not to compare Kurt Cobain with a classical composer, but he too hated his most popular song, which made fun of the masses for liking it. Same shit, different era. Funny how the powers at be mock you with the sheep. (Ironically, "Sheep" was the first considered name of the Nevermind album)
@@jesustovar2549 yes often times bands think their most popular works eclipses their better work in radiohead's case doesn't represent their artistic style not only that but they grew sick of playing creep over and over
I believe I read somewhere that Saint-Saëns really liked “Carnival of the Animals”, he just didn’t intend to publish it since it was a private “joke” composition. In fact, he was supposed to be writing his Symphony no. 3 at the time (since it was a commissioned work) but couldn’t stop himself from writing the “Carnival of the Animals” since he had so much fun with it. Great video though!
The Swan was the only movement that was published during Saint-Saëns lifetime, it was an arrangement for cello and piano, is pretty well known outside from the "Carnival".
@@jesustovar2549, yes, he forbade to publish all the rest until his death. the permitted publication was only in such respect an "arrangement", that till now it contains just one of the two original piano parts note by note, leaving the atmosphere of the second piano part totally aside, even in the nice final chord . enjoy the original!
In defense of Tchaikovsky's opinion, "1812" was more of a medley than an original piece. In a 15-minute work, he sampled "La Marseillaise," "O Lord, Save Thy People," "At the Gate," "God Save the Tsar!," and even samples from his previous works.
If only he had known that his music is so loved today, imagine how he would have felt that his 3 ballets are now an essential part of the repetoire, that The Nutcracker is performed every Christmas, maybe he would have felt more confident about his sexuality in today's world, but that has always been difficult in Russia. I wonder if he regretted being a composer?
@@jesustovar2549 I have a special edition DVD set of Disney's Sleeping Beauty (my favorite Disney movie of all time, as a side note) which has a very nice special feature (one of a few cool special features) about the life of Tchaikovsky and his journey at writing the music for Sleeping Beauty. It has been a long time since I watched it but I seem to remember there being a period of years in which Tchaikovsky suppressed the music within him until he just couldn't stand it anymore.
Not really. He loved many of his works as well: The Sleeping Beauty, Piano Concerto #1, Serenade for Strings, 4th and 6th symphonies, Suite #3, Violin Concerto, Tone poems, Romeo and Juliet, Francesca da Rimini ,Operas, Eugene Onegin and Queen of Spades...shall I go on? Lo!
Chopin hates Fantasie-Impropmtu, because he thought it was similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement (the C# minor arpeggiated sections at the start of both pieces sound similar when broken down). He requested that his friend burnt them after he died. But his friend did not burn it, and today we have a masterpiece.
I knew that Tchaikovsky hated 1812, he called it bombastic & loud & that's what people like, which in this day & age he's right, most people want loud & explosive & wowing visuals, with little no desire for small details or cleverness. But I never knew that Edvard Grieg disliked Hall of Mountain King, it's the only piece of music I know him for. As for the rest, they're honestly not bad, better than most songs we get nowadays.
Grieg would have been upset to hear Morning Modd and In the Hall of the Mountain King being used in media today (they're meme music just as Tchaikovsky's 1812) and for this they are his most famous pieces.
Beethoven’s “Wellington’s Victory” is even louder and more bombastic than 1812, and funnily enough, Beethoven apparently liked it just fine- more than two centuries’ worth of critics!
3:22 I checked the Russian sources, Rachmaninoff didn't say "I'm sorry'", but "I don't regret to habe writtent it, but it pursuits me everywhere, I play it like a machine".
Grieg was not referring to "In the Hall of the Mountain King," but to "The Dance of the Mountain King's Daughter." He originally included this in the second Peer Gynt Suite as the last number, but afterwards withdrew it. It is occasionally retained.
No. Chopin said all his unpublished works should be burnt. But never said that it was because he hated them. Perhaps they were very intimate, perhaps he didn't consider them as good as the others, but he NEVER said he hated them. I'm curious to know where you learnt that.
@@Someidiotthatplayspianofalse The Fantasie Impromptu was a commissioned piece. He wrote it for money for a specific individual which is why it wasn't published until after his death. It was in a private collection. It has absolutely nothing to do with Beethoven or any other composer. That's a myth.
Many years ago, Rachmaninoff was staying in Los Angeles at the Garden of Allah - a local resort hotel for entertainers and actors temporarily staying in Hollywood. He was fond of practicing his piano at all hours, which caused his neighbor Harpo Marx to lose sleep. Harpo's solution was to play the Prelude in C-sharp on his harp, starting at the crack of dawn. He played it over and over again, until after about three hours, Rachmaninoff asked to be moved to another villa - "as far as possible from that awful harpist!" Harpo wrote in his autobiography that he hadn't known about the composer's loathing of the piece, but that "after playing it for three hours, I understood how he felt!"
I hate how so many composers hated their most beautiful pieces. Except for Bolero. It’s trash. I get why Ravel hated it. Besides that quote is entirely untrue. He really wrote many, many masterpieces.
You should watch the video that describes how bolero is a manifestation of Ravel's defected brain, and why it slowly descends into madness. Makes it a lot funner imo and I dont like the idea that it taints Ravel's repertoire which is the most consistently elegant in the classical world
You lose the magic when it comes from yourself. Nothing I've ever written has moved me emotionally upon hearing it, just like a magician isn't wowed by seeing their own tricks performed
I dont really like Bolero, but the rest of them are among my favorites of each composer. I rly loved Beethovens septet when i was a teenager, and it still gives me some nostalgia.
I believe one of the reasons Beethoven resented the septet was becuase despite writing works far greater it was one of his all time most popular and financially sucessful compositions.
@@medusiz1801 he was always upset with the public's taste. He called the audience "asses" because they encored the Cavatina and not the Große Fugue at the Premiere of the op. 130 quartet.
A tad misleading; the Swan was the only movement from the Carnival of the Animals that Saint-Saens allowed to be published and performed during his lifetime.
Have to disagree w/ Saint-Saens about the Swan, Ravel regarding Reverie (though perhaps the title isn't a good fit?), Rachmaninoff about his Prelude in C#minor. Ravell's comment about Bolero was hilarious! But muscially, I think it gets the job done.
Rachmaninoff really just hated the prelude because of its popularity and the fact that he got so sick of playing it. Tbh though, I can’t even put that in his top 10 works.
What?! 😱 Camille Saint-Saëns' "Le Cygne" is one of my favorite classical pieces! I know Carnival of the Animals was supposed to be a private creation of his, but man! I had no idea he hated it!
He didn't hate it. He liked it a lot and used it to privately entertain musician friends. The reason he didn't want it published is that he thought it would damage his reputation because it isn't very "serious".
I would add Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu. Chopin wrote it in 1834 (age 23 or 24) but didnt publish it cause he thought it sounded too similar to Moonlight Mvt 3 by Beethoven. He even said to one of his friends not too. It was of course published like so many of his works after he died despite his wish for his unpublished stuff to be disposed of. Edit: I cant believe he would say that. Waltz in A Minor B150 and Nocturne in C# Minor No. 20 are in my top 10 favourite Chopin pieces those were published after his death. Edit 2: Debussy didnt really like Suite Bergamasque (Clair De Lune, etc) he thought the set of pieces sounded too basic. Which is why most other Debussy pieces sound a lot more full so to say.
Its not because it was similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata (wheres the similarity here??). He didnt like it cause its basically a rip-off of Moscheles Impromptu op.89. Go listen to it, its awesome and you can tell where Chopin got his inspiration from
@@fedegwagwa Fantaisie-Impromptu and Moonlight Sonata do not "sound" the same, but they share a common string of notes (see Wikipedia). I doubt we know exactly why Chopin did not publish it.
@@PaulVinonaama Man if you play piano you will find a lot of pieces share the same notes with the Moonlight Sonata. But if you listen to Moscheles Impromptu, you can really tell where the famous Chopins main theme comes from, its pretty straight-forward. Then yea, of course theres no "official" "proved" reason for him to not publish it (it would be weird if there was indeed); but historians and biographers do their researches about the famous unpublished pieces. What I think happened in this case is, the piece was nice and virtuosic, but the piano players and listeners of Chopin's time probably knew the virtuoso piano music of Moscheles, and he likely didnt want to sound unoriginal. Nowadays instead, few people remember Moscheles (and Chopin's piece sounds better anyway), so of course its easier to dismiss that hypothesis. But the main "theme" and the name of the piece are basically the same
@@fedegwagwa I doubt there are many pieces with 21 notes in a row identical to a passage from Moonlight sonata (notes 8-28 of the Chopin right-hand sixteenths). I listened to the beginning of the Moscheles piece, and certainly there can be a connection, but the characters and expressions of the two pieces are SOOO different. There is not even the 3:4 polyrhythm in the Moscheles, it is in major, its phrasing is simplistic etc. So perhaps Chopin combined Beethoven's note-series with Moscheles right-hand gesture and ended up with a unique piece of his own, who knows? Perhaps neither connection had anything to do with its remaining unpublished.
@@PaulVinonaama Yea there are not many and its mostly virtuosic piano pieces so they're not even that well known. And of course its 2 completely different pieces, I'm not saying Chopin straight out copied from Moscheles, maybe it wasnt even a conscious quote. But, since they were friends as well, I could imagine Chopin being thrown off by the fact that an already existing piece, written by a well known famous friend, sounded so similar to his. Obviously I dont hold the truth in my hand, its just a series of facts that kinda points towards there but who knows for sure
Grieg was not referring to this piece (which, after all, he included in the first Peer Gynt suite), but to the Dance of the Mountain King's Daughter. He included that in the second suite as the last movement, but afterwards withdrew it. It is occasionally retained.
In every case it was the composers most famous piece. For some of these composers its the only piece I would have been able to recognize. It is the artists version of I would never be in a club that would let me join. I don't really give two shiny shites I will continue to listen to their music how ever much they hated it.
it’s a showstopping crowd-pleaser and it very much sounds like it was designed with that purpose in mind. it’s loud and theatrical and over-the-top and can be pretty fun but it’s compositionally a hollow work
The 1812 overture sounds great on the Fourth of July. I saw the Boston Pops play it on several fourths including the one on 1976. It went well with cannon and city bells and riverside fireworks.
Sergei's Piece is the equivalent of what he was saying, the piece sounds so villainous and menacingly terrifying, he even said he couldn't escape from a concert hall without playing it and that is like a curse
Bolero, really beautiful, I even have it on my headphones at the gym when I'm pumping iron, but the song is even more monotonous than the repeating movements that I need to do for building up muscle. I love how the song gets more and more powerful, but it also drags on and on without a clear goal, or with an unexpected interruption. Even though I love it, I always switch to the next song somewhere halfway listening to it.
Mr. Saint Saens, I hope you reconsider your regret to publish Carnival of the Animals. I played secondo for a duet arrangement of this piece, and the melody was heavenly on the Steinway on stage. We won first place and I will never forget how majestic of a moment I had playing Le Cygne :)
The piece aligned is not in the video but the quote is too perfect to leave off. “ You know, it's funny how... wrong an artist can be about his own work. The one composition of Tchaikovsky's that he really detested was his "Nutcracker Suite", which is probably the most popular thing he ever wrote. It's a series of dances taken out of a full-length ballet called "The Nutcracker" that he once composed for the St. Petersburg Opera House. It wasn't much of a success and nobody performs it nowadays, but I'm pretty sure you'll recognize the music of the suite when you hear it. Incidentally... uh, you won't see any nutcracker on the screen; there's nothing left of him but the title.”-Deems Taylor, Fantasia (1940)
It's quite mind-blowing to learn that Debussy hated "reverê". It's unironically my favorite composition of his. On the other hand, I know several artists who make pretty impressive drawings but call their art "shit" so I shouldn't be so surprised I guess
I'm very surprised that Edvard Grieg hated In the Hall of the Mountain King, a song that is widely regarded as the one of greatest classical pieces ever made. And he hated that song, I’m really surprised about this.
It’s interesting to think about how in Rachmaninoff’s case, he was afraid of being a one-hit wonder. It’s funny to think about classical musicians going through something like that. Luckily for him, his is known for other pieces (or at least one other piece).
It's such a shame, that so many composers were disappointed with these iconic works. I do understand why Debussy, Rachmaninoff and Ravel felt this way towards their pieces though. For Debussy, it seems as though this piece didn't have artistic integrity, and his process for creating this piece was shallow superficial. Nevertheless, I love Rêverie! I also love the prelude, Morceaux de fantasie, but it must have been annoying for Rachmaninoff to play it again and again. As for Boléro, I understand completely why Ravel hates it. It was once stuck in my head for over a week, so it haunts me with its repetitiveness.
I think that many of these pieces involve the composers “doing what comes naturally” rather than over-intellectualizing their creations. What makes audiences respond to these pieces is precisely what makes them seem like trivialities to their composers.
Beethoven was often displeased by people's taste and didn't think his most famous pieces were his best. Not that I'm famous, but I find he same thing about my own music: the pieces that warm my heart and get me happy and excited are pften exactly the pices that others like the least while the pieces I don't feel is being myself very much and lack personal expression are often the pices that others like the most. Most people favour technhincal quality over feeling and personal artistic expression - experts do, that is.
I make games on scratch, and for the longest time my most viewed project was the one I spent the least effort on, I am thankful for the views, but I wish they were for something I worked hard on and enjoy more.
Really just an example on how a piece can be overplayed, even during he composer’s life! With Beethoven, one wonders, how often can you play the 1st movement of the Moonlight Sonata, or Fur Elise before they become old and boring. But remember, it is the audience’s pleasure that counts, so if they want to hear it, then one must play it! LOL
Moncayo, one of Mexico's finest composers, wrote his beautiful Huapango, which is often played. Moncayo hated it because, he said, it was he who belonged to the Huapango. He was no longer Moncayo, but the Huapango...
Parederewski wrote the Minuet in g which was a massive hit and he had to play at every concert. Also Percy Grainger with Country Gardens, a great hit which he was forced to play it at every concert 🤔
And funny enough one reason why Beethoven hated the septet was because it was his most successful music in his life, thanks to the ultra conservative Viennese audience
I'm a bit surprised you didn't put Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody. He was quite vocal about despising the piece as everywhere he performed, people would want him to perform it and over time he started to hate it. Not to mention that whenever he heard someone perform it, he felt they could not play it properly
It seems to me that Rachmaninov's attitude to his c # minor is an exception to the others named here. he did not say it was trash or inferior. unlike the other composers who said their works listed here were trash. he just resented that people demanded to hear it EVERYWHERE HE WENT
It's time to showcase some pieces the composers weren't fond of. Do you know of any more?
♫ Sheet Music (Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King): tinyurl.com/4xak28m5 *
♫ Sheet Music (1812 Overture Excerpt | Different Version): tinyurl.com/4ympp2vp *
♫ Sheet Music (Saint-Saëns - The Swan | Different Version): tinyurl.com/57r6zprh *
♫ Sheet Music (Debussy - Rêverie): tinyurl.com/yckky6mn *
♫ Sheet Music (Rachmaninoff - Prélude in C-sharp minor): tinyurl.com/2fvjdcuk *
♫ Sheet Music (Ravel - Boléro | Different Version): tinyurl.com/kx6m9mua *
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Fantasia Improptu by Chopin and Clair de Lune by Debussy
@@yorusaka3554 I was actually going to say, Chopin never wanted Fantasie Impromptu published and he wanted it burned, as he thought it was too similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata
Do Schumann next
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It's surprising how many composers hate their most famous piece.
we thrive of the giant's degenerecy, for them it's an escape from their own higher self, thats why they hate it, but we lower people always like consuming the careless, desperate, overplayful, unmature versions of the great composers.
hope u understooid what i was trying to say.
Not to compare Kurt Cobain with a classical composer, but he too hated his most popular song, which made fun of the masses for liking it.
Same shit, different era. Funny how the powers at be mock you with the sheep.
(Ironically, "Sheep" was the first considered name of the Nevermind album)
It's actually more common than you think with composers and artists.
@@ChronicMetamorphosis It's like Radiohead hating Creep.
@@jesustovar2549 yes often times bands think their most popular works eclipses their better work in radiohead's case doesn't represent their artistic style not only that but they grew sick of playing creep over and over
I believe I read somewhere that Saint-Saëns really liked “Carnival of the Animals”, he just didn’t intend to publish it since it was a private “joke” composition. In fact, he was supposed to be writing his Symphony no. 3 at the time (since it was a commissioned work) but couldn’t stop himself from writing the “Carnival of the Animals” since he had so much fun with it. Great video though!
The Swan was the only movement that was published during Saint-Saëns lifetime, it was an arrangement for cello and piano, is pretty well known outside from the "Carnival".
That story is true. At least, I know it also
Yes. He wrote to his publisher about writing Carnival of the Animals instead of his 3rd Symphony.
It is true - this person is just a deceiving c- nt.
@@jesustovar2549, yes, he forbade to publish all the rest until his death. the permitted publication was only in such respect an "arrangement", that till now it contains just one of the two original piano parts note by note, leaving the atmosphere of the second piano part totally aside, even in the nice final chord . enjoy the original!
In defense of Tchaikovsky's opinion, "1812" was more of a medley than an original piece. In a 15-minute work, he sampled "La Marseillaise," "O Lord, Save Thy People," "At the Gate," "God Save the Tsar!," and even samples from his previous works.
This piece is dreadful still
The only thing that makes it unique is the cannons and church bells, which he included for ironic purposes iirc
Tchaikovsky pretty much hated everything he wrote.
He wanted more attention and admiration
Otherwise would had not published :)
If only he had known that his music is so loved today, imagine how he would have felt that his 3 ballets are now an essential part of the repetoire, that The Nutcracker is performed every Christmas, maybe he would have felt more confident about his sexuality in today's world, but that has always been difficult in Russia. I wonder if he regretted being a composer?
@@jesustovar2549 I have a special edition DVD set of Disney's Sleeping Beauty (my favorite Disney movie of all time, as a side note) which has a very nice special feature (one of a few cool special features) about the life of Tchaikovsky and his journey at writing the music for Sleeping Beauty.
It has been a long time since I watched it but I seem to remember there being a period of years in which Tchaikovsky suppressed the music within him until he just couldn't stand it anymore.
He had very low self esteem and he was criticized by fellow russian composers for his compositions being too western in style.
Not really. He loved many of his works as well: The Sleeping Beauty, Piano Concerto #1, Serenade for Strings, 4th and 6th symphonies, Suite #3, Violin Concerto, Tone poems, Romeo and Juliet, Francesca da Rimini ,Operas, Eugene Onegin and Queen of Spades...shall I go on? Lo!
Missing Fantasie Impromptu in here
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There's something wrong with you
Just think how many modern composers bands and artists feel Rachmaninoffs pain being asked to perform the same pieces every live show
It’s sorta like Radiohead’s Creep. They kept being asked to perform it in concerts and grew to hate it
Chopin hates Fantasie-Impropmtu, because he thought it was similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement (the C# minor arpeggiated sections at the start of both pieces sound similar when broken down). He requested that his friend burnt them after he died. But his friend did not burn it, and today we have a masterpiece.
His friend first have to get permission from Chopin's family, the family said yes and now a masterpiece has been published.
I knew that Tchaikovsky hated 1812, he called it bombastic & loud & that's what people like, which in this day & age he's right, most people want loud & explosive & wowing visuals, with little no desire for small details or cleverness.
But I never knew that Edvard Grieg disliked Hall of Mountain King, it's the only piece of music I know him for.
As for the rest, they're honestly not bad, better than most songs we get nowadays.
Grieg would have been upset to hear Morning Modd and In the Hall of the Mountain King being used in media today (they're meme music just as Tchaikovsky's 1812) and for this they are his most famous pieces.
edvard grieg have a lot of interesting an beatiful works, you should listen more of him
Beethoven’s “Wellington’s Victory” is even louder and more bombastic than 1812, and funnily enough, Beethoven apparently liked it just fine- more than two centuries’ worth of critics!
Try the Grieg's Piano Concerto, you won't regret!
It is pretty gaudy
3:22 I checked the Russian sources, Rachmaninoff didn't say "I'm sorry'", but "I don't regret to habe writtent it, but it pursuits me everywhere, I play it like a machine".
How it feels like to be told to play a famous song wait no famous piece in every concert
Grieg was not referring to "In the Hall of the Mountain King," but to "The Dance of the Mountain King's Daughter." He originally included this in the second Peer Gynt Suite as the last number, but afterwards withdrew it. It is occasionally retained.
Chopin really hated his Fantasie Impromptu. He told his publishers not to release it, but they did anyway.
Thank God they did!
No. Chopin said all his unpublished works should be burnt. But never said that it was because he hated them. Perhaps they were very intimate, perhaps he didn't consider them as good as the others, but he NEVER said he hated them. I'm curious to know where you learnt that.
@@vincent-ataramaniko He disliked fantasie impromptu because it was too much alike to Beethoven's third movement of moonlight sonata
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The Fantasie Impromptu was a commissioned piece. He wrote it for money for a specific individual which is why it wasn't published until after his death. It was in a private collection. It has absolutely nothing to do with Beethoven or any other composer. That's a myth.
@@nintendianajones64 I didn't know that, it's a myth that everyone knows. Thanks!
I agree with Ravel.
But he is wrong that it’s his only masterpiece
@@burr69everything ravel has done is a masterpiece!!!!! go listen to daphne and choloe
Oh my, Debussy I'm shocked! The Reverie is ... the most beautiful of all piano works 'er written by a human😮😥
😂 not even close
I don't know if I would go that far. But if I had written it I would be pleased as punch and raking in the royalties.
@@jayr526 it’s ok but it’s not not good
Radiohead fans: PLAY CREEP!!!
Rachmaninoff fans: PLAY No. 2!!!!
Same reaction.
It's actually Opus 3 No. 2
I'm really fun at parties I swear
Lol thats what i was thinking of the whole time
@@Antimonuu Don’t worry I believe you
@@Antimonuu Noted and edited.
Radiohead should respond to audience demands to play “Creep” by launching into “Fight For Your Right To Party” instead.
Many years ago, Rachmaninoff was staying in Los Angeles at the Garden of Allah - a local resort hotel for entertainers and actors temporarily staying in Hollywood. He was fond of practicing his piano at all hours, which caused his neighbor Harpo Marx to lose sleep. Harpo's solution was to play the Prelude in C-sharp on his harp, starting at the crack of dawn. He played it over and over again, until after about three hours, Rachmaninoff asked to be moved to another villa - "as far as possible from that awful harpist!" Harpo wrote in his autobiography that he hadn't known about the composer's loathing of the piece, but that "after playing it for three hours, I understood how he felt!"
I've read that too.
I hate how so many composers hated their most beautiful pieces.
Except for Bolero. It’s trash. I get why Ravel hated it.
Besides that quote is entirely untrue. He really wrote many, many masterpieces.
Why so many people hate Bolero?
I mean isn't his best piece but isn't that bad.
You should watch the video that describes how bolero is a manifestation of Ravel's defected brain, and why it slowly descends into madness. Makes it a lot funner imo and I dont like the idea that it taints Ravel's repertoire which is the most consistently elegant in the classical world
I could understand in boleros case, but why reverie, it's one of those unbelievably beautiful pieces.
Ikr right
"purely for material consideration" it's like if you were a composer that made some riff or chord progression and someone just went and published it.
Bolero goes hard
You lose the magic when it comes from yourself. Nothing I've ever written has moved me emotionally upon hearing it, just like a magician isn't wowed by seeing their own tricks performed
You have the absolute best piano videos that contextualize the history. I love you.
I dont really like Bolero, but the rest of them are among my favorites of each composer. I rly loved Beethovens septet when i was a teenager, and it still gives me some nostalgia.
I believe one of the reasons Beethoven resented the septet was becuase despite writing works far greater it was one of his all time most popular and financially sucessful compositions.
@@medusiz1801 he was always upset with the public's taste. He called the audience "asses" because they encored the Cavatina and not the Große Fugue at the Premiere of the op. 130 quartet.
@@chessematics I would've been one of those asses, although I do love the fugue too
@@medusiz1801 yeah....i absolutely love cavatina. But i would had called for another encore where they play the fugue.
I like Bolero; it is great for illustrating orchestration.
It's the ultra-Norwegianness of Peer Gynt that I like the most! And Reverie by Debussy is easily one of his best works.
A tad misleading; the Swan was the only movement from the Carnival of the Animals that Saint-Saens allowed to be published and performed during his lifetime.
Right! And he did allow for the publication of the rest of the work after his death.
I *love* Rêverie; it's my favourite from Claude Debussy's works, followed by Arabesque No. 1.
Debussy was in a hurry to write down Reverie yet it turned out to be beautifu embodiment of kindness.
Have to disagree w/ Saint-Saens about the Swan, Ravel regarding Reverie (though perhaps the title isn't a good fit?), Rachmaninoff about his Prelude in C#minor.
Ravell's comment about Bolero was hilarious! But muscially, I think it gets the job done.
Rachmaninoff really just hated the prelude because of its popularity and the fact that he got so sick of playing it. Tbh though, I can’t even put that in his top 10 works.
Are these real quotes? Or just things the composers may have said
Are you really an artist if you don’t hate one of your best works 😆
What?! 😱 Camille Saint-Saëns' "Le Cygne" is one of my favorite classical pieces! I know Carnival of the Animals was supposed to be a private creation of his, but man! I had no idea he hated it!
He wrote it as a musical joke for his children. Funny how the least serious and whimsical pieces are the ones most remembered
He didn't hate it. He liked it a lot and used it to privately entertain musician friends. The reason he didn't want it published is that he thought it would damage his reputation because it isn't very "serious".
"The Swan" was the one portion of the work that he allowed to be published during his lifetime.
Composer: this piece is actually pretty bad
Us: Jokes on you I'm into that shit
The Swan was actually the only part of The Carnival premiered in Saint-Saëns lifetime
I like how a lot of these are some of their most famous pieces...
I would add Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu. Chopin wrote it in 1834 (age 23 or 24) but didnt publish it cause he thought it sounded too similar to Moonlight Mvt 3 by Beethoven. He even said to one of his friends not too. It was of course published like so many of his works after he died despite his wish for his unpublished stuff to be disposed of.
Edit: I cant believe he would say that. Waltz in A Minor B150 and Nocturne in C# Minor No. 20 are in my top 10 favourite Chopin pieces those were published after his death.
Edit 2: Debussy didnt really like Suite Bergamasque (Clair De Lune, etc) he thought the set of pieces sounded too basic. Which is why most other Debussy pieces sound a lot more full so to say.
Its not because it was similar to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata (wheres the similarity here??). He didnt like it cause its basically a rip-off of Moscheles Impromptu op.89. Go listen to it, its awesome and you can tell where Chopin got his inspiration from
@@fedegwagwa Fantaisie-Impromptu and Moonlight Sonata do not "sound" the same, but they share a common string of notes (see Wikipedia). I doubt we know exactly why Chopin did not publish it.
@@PaulVinonaama Man if you play piano you will find a lot of pieces share the same notes with the Moonlight Sonata. But if you listen to Moscheles Impromptu, you can really tell where the famous Chopins main theme comes from, its pretty straight-forward. Then yea, of course theres no "official" "proved" reason for him to not publish it (it would be weird if there was indeed); but historians and biographers do their researches about the famous unpublished pieces. What I think happened in this case is, the piece was nice and virtuosic, but the piano players and listeners of Chopin's time probably knew the virtuoso piano music of Moscheles, and he likely didnt want to sound unoriginal. Nowadays instead, few people remember Moscheles (and Chopin's piece sounds better anyway), so of course its easier to dismiss that hypothesis. But the main "theme" and the name of the piece are basically the same
@@fedegwagwa I doubt there are many pieces with 21 notes in a row identical to a passage from Moonlight sonata (notes 8-28 of the Chopin right-hand sixteenths). I listened to the beginning of the Moscheles piece, and certainly there can be a connection, but the characters and expressions of the two pieces are SOOO different. There is not even the 3:4 polyrhythm in the Moscheles, it is in major, its phrasing is simplistic etc. So perhaps Chopin combined Beethoven's note-series with Moscheles right-hand gesture and ended up with a unique piece of his own, who knows? Perhaps neither connection had anything to do with its remaining unpublished.
@@PaulVinonaama Yea there are not many and its mostly virtuosic piano pieces so they're not even that well known. And of course its 2 completely different pieces, I'm not saying Chopin straight out copied from Moscheles, maybe it wasnt even a conscious quote. But, since they were friends as well, I could imagine Chopin being thrown off by the fact that an already existing piece, written by a well known famous friend, sounded so similar to his. Obviously I dont hold the truth in my hand, its just a series of facts that kinda points towards there but who knows for sure
Another piece that came to mind was Chopins "Fantasie Impromtu"
Really great! Please give us more more of this!
Didn't Beethoven come to hate the first movement of the "Moonlight" sonata? And didn't Debussy express dislike for "Clair de Lune"?
Every piece, except Beethoven ( which might be a minor opus) and Tschaikowky's 1812, which was pure contract work, is perfect music.
i love 'in the hall of the mountain king ' its joust great
just* great*
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Grieg was not referring to this piece (which, after all, he included in the first Peer Gynt suite), but to the Dance of the Mountain King's Daughter. He included that in the second suite as the last movement, but afterwards withdrew it. It is occasionally retained.
In every case it was the composers most famous piece. For some of these composers its the only piece I would have been able to recognize. It is the artists version of I would never be in a club that would let me join. I don't really give two shiny shites I will continue to listen to their music how ever much they hated it.
No way Tchaikovsky didn't like the 1812 Overture...
It's probably his most overrated work.
why? It actually has the least depth among other Tchaikovsky's compositions
it’s a showstopping crowd-pleaser and it very much sounds like it was designed with that purpose in mind. it’s loud and theatrical and over-the-top and can be pretty fun but it’s compositionally a hollow work
@@sebastianwang670 the masses love that stuff. It’s no surprise
The 1812 overture sounds great on the Fourth of July. I saw the Boston Pops play it on several fourths including the one on 1976. It went well with cannon and city bells and riverside fireworks.
Fun fact:
Liszt hated HR2, literally his most famous work.
Why?
@@FranciescoGallo, 'twas a fake story .
@@keescanalfp5143 ok
I call bullshit. Liszt liked fun too much to dislike HR2.
Fun fact:
Liszt actually liked HR2 and did write some cadenzas, and even write variants for his students or friends
Why so harsh, Beethoven? Schubert likes that picec and he even wrote an Octet that is smilar to it😂😂
Sergei's Piece is the equivalent of what he was saying, the piece sounds so villainous and menacingly terrifying, he even said he couldn't escape from a concert hall without playing it and that is like a curse
I genuinely like how scary the song is
@@aZuLa_PiGnot to be that guy but compositions without lyrics are pieces
@@calculusantienjoyer254 with all due respect, 🤓
@@lavamatstudios with all due disrespect, ok
Bolero, really beautiful, I even have it on my headphones at the gym when I'm pumping iron, but the song is even more monotonous than the repeating movements that I need to do for building up muscle.
I love how the song gets more and more powerful, but it also drags on and on without a clear goal, or with an unexpected interruption. Even though I love it, I always switch to the next song somewhere halfway listening to it.
But Ravel was completely right about it. It's an exercise in time and orchestration. But it is not music.
"Play the Prelude in C# Minor! Play the Prelude in C# Minor!"
*Rachmaninoff* : "But it's really hard!"
It’s one of his easier pieces lol
"Play the Prelude in C# Minor!"
Rachmaninoff: "*visible frustration*"
Interesting that Beethoven published his Septett as trio again, op. 38, in 1805… there is no evidence he wanted the piece to be burnt…
I don't how my fave Beethoven felt about Für Elise, but I thinks it's so bad that I can't even tell it's Beethoven.
But I like prelude I c# minor. What Rachamninoff said reminded me of people who play Canon in D in weddings. Idk why
It's called Canon in Divorce nowadays
Lol
Mr. Saint Saens, I hope you reconsider your regret to publish Carnival of the Animals. I played secondo for a duet arrangement of this piece, and the melody was heavenly on the Steinway on stage. We won first place and I will never forget how majestic of a moment I had playing Le Cygne :)
The piece aligned is not in the video but the quote is too perfect to leave off.
“ You know, it's funny how... wrong an artist can be about his own work. The one composition of Tchaikovsky's that he really detested was his "Nutcracker Suite", which is probably the most popular thing he ever wrote. It's a series of dances taken out of a full-length ballet called "The Nutcracker" that he once composed for the St. Petersburg Opera House. It wasn't much of a success and nobody performs it nowadays, but I'm pretty sure you'll recognize the music of the suite when you hear it. Incidentally... uh, you won't see any nutcracker on the screen; there's nothing left of him but the title.”-Deems Taylor, Fantasia (1940)
These are so good for some reason
The question, is it real?
Some of these comments have merit. Some of them are just the composers being total hipsters who just don't like that their work got too mainstream 😅
It's quite mind-blowing to learn that Debussy hated "reverê". It's unironically my favorite composition of his.
On the other hand, I know several artists who make pretty impressive drawings but call their art "shit" so I shouldn't be so surprised I guess
How much of debussy have you heard?
Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu should be in here. One of the most famous pieces ever written and Chopin hated it.
In the Hall of the Mountain King reminds me of Little Einsteins
I'm very surprised that Edvard Grieg hated In the Hall of the Mountain King, a song that is widely regarded as the one of greatest classical pieces ever made. And he hated that song, I’m really surprised about this.
I'll bet they cashed the check and didn't send it back.
, When I read Rachmaninoff's quote, immediately Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin came to mind.
Haydn called his popular Symphony 60 (Il distratto’) ‘…that old pancake’ - Austrian slang for nonsense.
Grieg and Tchaikovsky's hated music became a meme BTW
It’s interesting to think about how in Rachmaninoff’s case, he was afraid of being a one-hit wonder. It’s funny to think about classical musicians going through something like that. Luckily for him, his is known for other pieces (or at least one other piece).
I did not expect reverie to be here
Some of my favorites, eg Reverie !
It's such a shame, that so many composers were disappointed with these iconic works. I do understand why Debussy, Rachmaninoff and Ravel felt this way towards their pieces though. For Debussy, it seems as though this piece didn't have artistic integrity, and his process for creating this piece was shallow superficial. Nevertheless, I love Rêverie! I also love the prelude, Morceaux de fantasie, but it must have been annoying for Rachmaninoff to play it again and again. As for Boléro, I understand completely why Ravel hates it. It was once stuck in my head for over a week, so it haunts me with its repetitiveness.
I think that many of these pieces involve the composers “doing what comes naturally” rather than over-intellectualizing their creations. What makes audiences respond to these pieces is precisely what makes them seem like trivialities to their composers.
Chopin: oh, please allow me to join with this utter piece of garbage of fantasie impromptu
Mon arrière-grand-père, le nouveau Debussy et apparemment il adorait Rêverie
Chopin Tarantella Op. 43 "I hope I won't write anything as dreadful too soon." He hated it.
Beethoven was often displeased by people's taste and didn't think his most famous pieces were his best.
Not that I'm famous, but I find he same thing about my own music: the pieces that warm my heart and get me happy and excited are pften exactly the pices that others like the least while the pieces I don't feel is being myself very much and lack personal expression are often the pices that others like the most. Most people favour technhincal quality over feeling and personal artistic expression - experts do, that is.
I make games on scratch, and for the longest time my most viewed project was the one I spent the least effort on, I am thankful for the views, but I wish they were for something I worked hard on and enjoy more.
Nah he wrote a few bad pieces still l
3:31 it's giving.....✨STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN✨
That’s one of my favorite Debussy’s :(
Beethoven was a good composer person who is this.
Chopin could’ve had Op.66 or Op.70 no.1
Ah, TCP. Good to see you on RUclips again!
Really just an example on how a piece can be overplayed, even during he composer’s life! With Beethoven, one wonders, how often can you play the 1st movement of the Moonlight Sonata, or Fur Elise before they become old and boring. But remember, it is the audience’s pleasure that counts, so if they want to hear it, then one must play it! LOL
Pls do evolution of Joh Williams or Hans Zimmer!
I agree with you. 👍🏻
Schuman evolución por favor
what?
i love carnival of the animals 😭😭😭
Wow this was informative and amazing. Thank you so much ❤️
i love Tchaikovsky but man from what i’ve read he sounds like kind of a bummer
Mental health issues dude was probably hella depressed or manic and it came out in a bad attitude
Didn't Beethoven also hate moonlight sonata
where's chopin fantasie impromptu
Moncayo, one of Mexico's finest composers, wrote his beautiful Huapango, which is often played. Moncayo hated it because, he said, it was he who belonged to the Huapango. He was no longer Moncayo, but the Huapango...
I think Brahms torched a lot of his works and we never heard them as a result
for the first on the date says 1799-1800. is this beethovens life or the how long the song took? cause if it was age he only live one year
Parederewski wrote the Minuet in g which was a massive hit and he had to play at every concert. Also Percy Grainger with Country Gardens, a great hit which he was forced to play it at every concert 🤔
Debussy did not like Reverie... oh come on... 😮😵💫🤧 I am shocked
I don't think Saint-Saens disliked the carnival... he just did not want it played while he was alive, because it was insulting to so many people...
what's wrong with bolero 😭
I LOVE prelude in C# minor lmao
Is really Beatiful, I have a video in my channel playing it, and is very complex to play in public
same
And funny enough one reason why Beethoven hated the septet was because it was his most successful music in his life, thanks to the ultra conservative Viennese audience
Surprised by Reverie. The others perhaps somewhat understandable.
WoW
The quote doesnt mean edvard grieg hates it! HES SAYING ITS THE SHIT
It hurt when they started playing some of my favorite songs...
I think there would've been Mozart Ave Verum Corpus.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't put Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody. He was quite vocal about despising the piece as everywhere he performed, people would want him to perform it and over time he started to hate it. Not to mention that whenever he heard someone perform it, he felt they could not play it properly
I don't blame Grieg. He'd probably stay off youtube with like 90% of video essays having Hall of the Mountain King montages, if he were alive today.
It seems to me that Rachmaninov's attitude to his c # minor is an exception to the others named here.
he did not say it was trash or inferior. unlike the other composers who said their works listed here were trash.
he just resented that people demanded to hear it EVERYWHERE HE WENT
00:53 it's the (nearly) best classical music
Easily one of the hardest hitting classical pieces
I don’t get how they were disliked most of them are good!