"New" Atari Falcon030 and its Atari STE Similarities

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024

Комментарии • 133

  • @marclanghoff9789
    @marclanghoff9789 6 месяцев назад +6

    So cool to see those old computers in action. Like a workeing museum. Reminds me on the good old days where computers was an experience. But today they're so normal that they're just there. Really enjoyed the Video! 😃

  • @DarrenCoull
    @DarrenCoull 6 месяцев назад +6

    I had a Falcon in the UK, pre-ordered, and it was my machine that Griff (of Electronic Images fame) used to find out how all the new hardware works, and an overnight session at our local computer shop (Computerworld) in Maidstone, he figured out where all the new hardware was, then re-programmed his MOD player to play using the DSP in the background without slowing the machine down! I wish I kept the machine. I sold all my Atari gear for next to nothing when I moved to Australia. If only I knew how rare and expensive these would become...

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Fun story :)

    • @lucian2701
      @lucian2701 Месяц назад +1

      Interesting to know, thanks for sharing! I also bought a Falcon when it came out (£500 for a 1MB model that couldn't even go into true color high-res).. I tried to like it, I really did, but when a mate (who was also an ST fan) said the A1200 was cheaper, easier to use, easy to upgrade and had more support, I sold mine to get one (and I should say that at the time, an A1200 with fastRAM and an HDD was aboslutey lovely to use). The only reason I regret doing so was the how the value of the Falcon shot up thanks to retro-collectors, but I think had I not done it back in '94 I'd've done it some point soon after as it just wasn't supported enough at the time and was just outdone by the A1200, even though that had a 'by then' out-dated soundchip.

  • @CheshireNoir
    @CheshireNoir 6 месяцев назад +5

    Oh man! A Falcon! On my "If I ever won the lottery" list for sure.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      I hear ya! So many cool retros out there.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад

      Funny, I bought a new one for 200€ 15 years ago, only to get a second (used) one for 10€ a few months later. At some point I had 2 boxed and 1 unboxed machines. Found them quite boring to be honest, even when it's a very capable machine which is why I sold them off (along with the 100MHz capable CT63 I never installed). Nowadays prices seem to have risen by a factor of 5-10, making it a rich, white mens' toy which isn't exactly helping the situation to keep the platform alive.

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@1337Shockwav3 Falcon and boring? You must be Amiga fanboy for sure...

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад

      @@madigorfkgoogle9349 Keep your Kindergarten politics out of here :) But if that assumption works for you - go ahead and consider me an amiga fanperson. See if I care.

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад

      @@1337Shockwav3 Kindergarten politics? Very mature response...

  • @tonycosta3302
    @tonycosta3302 2 месяца назад +3

    Atari should have stayed with the Mega ST form factor and continued to evolve it. I’m sure by the time the Falcon came out, it was simply a cost savings to reuse ST tooling, but by the early 90s, it was clear the all-in-one keyboard form factor was a dead end.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  2 месяца назад

      Agreed!

    • @plechaim
      @plechaim 9 дней назад +1

      I have to disagree i miss the wedge design

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  9 дней назад

      @@plechaim The all-in-one does have a nice style, but for the times back then everything was moving to separation of the keyboard from the processing unit.

  • @thedungeondelver
    @thedungeondelver 6 месяцев назад +1

    Never understood why Atari didn't have ST systems with bus slots.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Some ST systems had expansion connectors. Not as great as having bus slots though; that take more, larger cards.

  • @danielktdoranie
    @danielktdoranie 6 месяцев назад +2

    Woah! Look at that wall! I am in the presence of a super nerd!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Just a few retros that I've collected. Had to store them somewhere. Why not on the wall. And so, the Wall Of Retro was born! lol :)

    • @danielktdoranie
      @danielktdoranie 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd very nice! I have a few Amigas and couple of Atari STs but no 8-bit ones sadly

  • @Ohlukei
    @Ohlukei 20 дней назад +1

    I had a Falcon and I think it was not 32 bit. When I fitted the Afterburner040 it was 32 bit though. In Europe all Falcons were sold with 4 mbyte RAM.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  20 дней назад

      Nice. An Afterburner040 would be great to have. Thanks for watching! :) -Cheers, Steve

  • @Toby_Q
    @Toby_Q 6 месяцев назад +2

    6:15 - Next time you do this, get someone to help and have a '3rd' hand just appear randomly pointing at things.... that's the perfect setup for something like that!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      lol Fun suggestion! :)

  • @nurmix
    @nurmix 6 месяцев назад +1

    I really regret selling my Falcon. I used it extensively for all my computing needs from the late 90s - early ‘00s when it finally died. Great computer with so much untapped potential.
    Thanks for the video and thorough comparison with the ST.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @guser7137
    @guser7137 Месяц назад +1

    They had to keep the cartridge port. They were looking to get ST(e) owners to upgrade, and they weren't going to leave behind their audio software that used it.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  Месяц назад

      Very true. I'm glad they kept it. I've used a few of my cartridges in it. :)

  • @DieselPLL
    @DieselPLL 6 месяцев назад +4

    Cartridge port was used on Atari Falcon 030 for cubase audio security dongle ETC.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Yup, yup! Definitely needed it for backward compatibility.

    • @avigdonable
      @avigdonable 6 месяцев назад +1

      Cartridge port was also for multi Midi ports.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      And, some scanners and such. The cartridge ports were always good as an additional interface.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd NetUSBee (Ethernet + USB) for modern developments.

    • @MLCFonon
      @MLCFonon 6 месяцев назад +1

      you also needed soundpool or a clock in the DSP port to run Cubase Audio

  • @jauntyfox
    @jauntyfox 6 месяцев назад +1

    Love the VCF SoCal shirt. I met you on day 2 after the panel discussion. It was an awesome VCF

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the fest. Stay tuned when we announce the next one a few months from now :)

  • @Charleshawn66
    @Charleshawn66 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for this retro content. What makes those two DB9 joystick ports enhanced over the Atari 2600/C64 DB9 joystick ports? Is TOS an Atari operating system like Amigas AMOS.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks, Charles! The Enhanced joystick ports are actually 15-pins, and allows more analog controls; as well as more inputs. And, Yuppers: TOS is an Atari thing.

  • @boydpukalo8980
    @boydpukalo8980 6 месяцев назад +1

    Man you are lucky. I never owned an Atari, but have lusted over the Falcon and will likely never own one. I would love to find a "new" Falcon to add to the Amigas I started collecting/building just before the pandemic. Congratulations. Take good care of the old girl.

  • @powerofvintage9442
    @powerofvintage9442 6 месяцев назад +1

    More Atari Falcons!! It's such a fun computer to play around with. Like the way you got the composite signal out.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Atari packed A Lot into it!

  • @mmille10
    @mmille10 6 месяцев назад +1

    What I kept hearing about the DSP port was that you could use it to create a software modem, where all you would need was an adapter with some phone ports to hook up your line, but the rest of the modem could run on the DSP chip. I'm not sure why people were excited about that, because as you said, it already had a serial port for a modem. Maybe the DSP port could run a faster modem than the RS port could?
    Anyway, what I have seen in the years since is the DSP chip was used a lot for graphics/sound demos, to help with performance, and probably with games, too.
    Re. the cartridge port - It wasn't used the same way as such ports were on the 8-bit computers. I don't ever remember seeing game or application software come on a cartridge for the ST. It was used for hooking up hardware add-ons, or dongles for copy-protected software. The main hardware add-on I heard about was for Macintosh emulation.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      The DSP chip definitely is interesting. As far as the cartridge port; There were a few software applications available in cartridge form. I use to help make and sell them. :p Plus, Atari released a software cart for Terminal Software. But, Yes, Predominately the cart port became more of a hardware interface. No problem with that! :)

    • @puffpuffin1
      @puffpuffin1 6 месяцев назад +1

      Remember that thing called the "Answering Machine?" 😁 They had pretty bad sound quality and recorded to magnetic tape. What if you can record messages in 16-bit quality? That was the idea of the digital answering machine. You can then save these messages to the Falcon for later use (or if you are a creative musician, use them as samples in your song and then get sued by the caller. 🤣 j/k). I could see this being used by businesses that get a lot of callers and messages. Being able to save them for later or something could help save time by organizing them on a hard drive for instant access. There was a German company that released this. I saw a RUclips video (all in German) where they demonstrated it.
      It could also be used as a phone tree too. ("Press 1 for "X", press 2 for "Y", press 3 for blah blah blah)
      There was a world of possibilities that DSPs could do. It's too bad it was never popular or realized. Probably due to PCs, modems, DSPs, and even digital answer machines getting better, becoming more popular AND falling like a rock in price. Oh, throw in the advent of the WWW and access to the internet too...

    • @mmille10
      @mmille10 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@puffpuffin1 - I didn't hear people talk about that for the Falcon, but I see where you're going. I had a DOS system like that on an old 386 PC at one point. It was a combo of a card that went into a slot, and software. It was designed to call phone trees, but it could record incoming messages to hard disk, and respond to touch tones to carry out menu options. I tried transferring it to a Pentium Windows PC, but that didn't work out as well.
      Re. the internet - I've had this guess for a long time that the internet is what ultimately killed off Atari computers, because Atari didn't promote the internet as a way to use them. I remember when I started wanting to access the web, I looked around for a way to do that on the ST. I didn't understand it at the time, but there was a way to do it, if you had MiNT installed (which I did), but it was bare bones. There was a PPP driver you could use in MiNT, but the only browser that ran on MiNT (or TOS) was the text-based Lynx.
      There was eventually a GEM web browser created, called CAB, but it didn't come out until the late '90s. Even so, unless you had an Ethernet adapter, you'd need a PPP driver that ran in TOS, and I don't know what was available for that. I stopped using my STe in '97.

  • @moonove
    @moonove 6 месяцев назад +2

    Dude i can feel and smell the "out of the box" falcon thru the screen ;)

  • @lotekstyle
    @lotekstyle 6 месяцев назад +1

    Absolutely awesome find!

  • @archbishop718
    @archbishop718 6 месяцев назад +1

    Great score on that premier Falcon!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      In the right place. At the right time. 🍀

  • @FintanMoloney
    @FintanMoloney 6 месяцев назад +2

    Always found the Atari Falcon an interesting machine. I hope to check one out some day. They are quite expensive to pick up but will keep an eye out for one. I want to get one of them and an Atari ST as they were machines I would have loved when I was younger but my parents bought us a BBC Master and then I moved into PCs.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Sounds like a good plan. Hope you find one!

    • @guser7137
      @guser7137 Месяц назад

      I went from a BBC model B to an Atari STE. Was one hell of an upgrade, although I did miss the BBC Basic. I don't think I ever did any programming on the STE, and it would be some almost ten years until I started programming again. And now it's what I do professionally.

  • @ryanfantus6258
    @ryanfantus6258 6 месяцев назад +1

    Where on earth did you find this? I rarely if ever see them on auction sites

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Auction site. I was just on the right screen at the right time.

    • @ryanfantus6258
      @ryanfantus6258 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd ...which one? :)

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  5 месяцев назад

      @@ryanfantus6258 Just the usual... eBay

  • @DavidPadgett-b5o
    @DavidPadgett-b5o 6 месяцев назад +2

    Love the collection!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks! I know you've followed as it's grown. I'm being more selective now with the space I have left. 😆

  • @RISCGames
    @RISCGames 4 месяца назад +1

    Where did you pick up that multi card at? I’d like to give it a try on mine!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  4 месяца назад

      The red ROM cart? It came with a used Atari ST I bought. From what I saw on the Interwebs, someone made them a few years ago. Not sure you can find them anymore.

  • @MLCFonon
    @MLCFonon 6 месяцев назад +1

    Theres screen adaptors around for bot VGA and original SM Atari screens I have both for my falcon ;)

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, but a bit pricey. I've got parts to make my own. We'll see! :)

  • @zarjesve2
    @zarjesve2 13 дней назад +1

    How much did you pay for it?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  13 дней назад

      Hi, and thanks for watching; appreciate it! Generally I don't discuss what I've paid for something. Atari Falcons do typically, lately, go for around US$2K; give-or-take.

  • @heartofyoshi
    @heartofyoshi 6 месяцев назад

    That was thoroughly enjoyable!! Thanks for taking me through what it would be like to own a Falcon. I was always curious what type of renders Cad3D or Chronos 3D would render out on one of those!!!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! :)

  • @TheJeremyHolloway
    @TheJeremyHolloway 6 месяцев назад +2

    You could probably still get the VGA dongle for it from B&C or Best Electronics and then connect it to the Tink or other device. Are you going to make a video on replacing the landmine that is the internal clock battery?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Cool, thanks. I'll check to see if they have anything. "landmine that is the internal clock battery"?! Sounds like fun. I'm in! :)

    • @kevinhulse2983
      @kevinhulse2983 6 месяцев назад +1

      Shouldn't the original Falcon packaging include a VGA adapter?

    • @TheJeremyHolloway
      @TheJeremyHolloway 6 месяцев назад

      @@kevinhulse2983 no. Atari sold the dongles separately. One was for the standard ST RGB and Monochrome monitors and the other was for VGA monitors. If you went VGA and wanted to also be able to display the ST resolutions, you had to track down a VGA monitor that could process 15Hz. Even then, that was rare. If I recall correctly, the dongles were between $15 and $20 back then.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      @@kevinhulse2983 That could be, but what I bought did not come with it. :(

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@kevinhulse2983 *Shouldn't the original Falcon packaging include a VGA adapter*
      in some markets it did, in others you had to buy separately since there were two options, RGB or VGA reductions.

  • @winstonsmith478
    @winstonsmith478 6 месяцев назад +1

    Looking forward to a Falcon030 Mini. 2nd choice - 1040STe Mini. 3rd choice - 1040ST mini.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      We'll have to wait and see if that ever happens. Hopefully they'll make something like that.

    • @slaapliedje
      @slaapliedje 6 месяцев назад +1

      The Apollo Core team is now working on an Atari core for the Vampire cards. Unfortunately it may be some time for the DSP, and hence Falcon support, but it is already looking like we will be getting a modern Atari ST platform based on a 68080.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      @@slaapliedje That sounds pretty cool :)

  • @Toby_Q
    @Toby_Q 6 месяцев назад +1

    I almost bought it. The price was exceptional, I just couldn't really do it at this time. I'm glad I got to see a video about it though!

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      I did a double-take, and had to read the description twice. lol Such a great computer! Glad you got to enjoy the video.

    • @zarjesve2
      @zarjesve2 13 дней назад

      How much did you pay for it?

    • @Toby_Q
      @Toby_Q 13 дней назад +1

      @@zarjesve2 I'm pretty sure I remember exactly. And this thing was like mint, like new, in box and everything. I should have bought it... and I'm still upset I didn't!

    • @zarjesve2
      @zarjesve2 13 дней назад

      @@Toby_Q And how much was it?

    • @Toby_Q
      @Toby_Q 13 дней назад

      @@zarjesve2 I'll let the current owner tell if he wants... it's not really my place to say.

  • @little_fluffy_clouds
    @little_fluffy_clouds 6 месяцев назад +1

    Sold mine almost 15 years ago. Such a cool computer, I loved its design and specs, but there were never that many software titles which realised its full potential. As I was merely using to run the occasional game or demo, I wanted to sell it to a musician who would actually use it for productivity.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, unfortunately some computers just never get fully realized. :\

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад +1

      How much did it sell for if you don't mind telling? I bought my first 15 years ago and I'm still amazed how the prices keep rising.
      EDIT: Sold mine a few years later as well, since most games seemed boring (never was my resort) and the demoscene action being rather lackluster before getting a very slight boost 10 years ago that didn't last. It's an interesting machine for sure, but never exactly had a scene/community going.

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@1337Shockwav3 Falcon had and even has the longest lasting scene in ATARI world, its almost as big as Amiga scene, and given the fact the units sold number was low, the scene is actually pretty massive. You just didnt make your homework.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@madigorfkgoogle9349 Oh look who's triggered and has to attempt another "discussion" after I replied with "see if I care" on your other comment :)

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@1337Shockwav3 Oh look who cant read and even make a conclusion...
      Hint:
      If some comment is written before your reply that should have triggered me, isnt it a indication for something?

  • @cathrynm
    @cathrynm 6 месяцев назад +1

    Is it just the algorithm, or did a bunch of youtube people get Falcons recently?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      Huh.. I dunno. Would be fun if more Falcons were coming out-of-the-woods. It's a really nice computer! :)

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад

      @@1337Shockwav3 why do Amiga fanboys feel the need to "bomb" videos about ATARI? Falcon is very interesting and was the best home computer ever.

    • @1337Shockwav3
      @1337Shockwav3 6 месяцев назад

      @@madigorfkgoogle9349 I couldn't tell you, because I actively dislike Amiga and never got into it despite really trying, yet had 3 projects under my scene handle for 16bit Atari computers. Feel better now?
      Clueless lamers not allowing opinions besides their own is why I stopped being part of the Atari community - this "conversation" being just another proof I was absolutely right - thank you for that :)

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@1337Shockwav3
      Calling someone lamer, is in its own way a proof you cant be a ATARI community member and are exactly Amiga fanboy, ATARI owners do not use these words...
      But whatever makes you happy...
      Like bashing Falcon as not impressive, while it was the best and most modern ATARI computer, it had its drawbacks but still it was the most advanced piece.

    • @puffpuffin1
      @puffpuffin1 6 месяцев назад

      @@madigorfkgoogle9349 Yeah, I noticed this pattern too. Sad...

  • @ms-ex8em
    @ms-ex8em 5 месяцев назад +1

    why u got two monitors hooked up to the Falcon ?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  5 месяцев назад

      Good question. The TV on the left is connected to the TV RF Channel 2 Output of the Falcon, while the LCD monitor on the right is connected to the Composite Video Output of the Falcon. I thought it would be interesting to show the two live video outputs from the Falcon to see any quality differences - in realtime.

    • @ms-ex8em
      @ms-ex8em 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd wow thats amazing!! lovely video i loved it wow what a machine the Falcon is can it run all STe software programs or just half of them ? because of the different processor? thanks..........

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ms-ex8em The Falcon can run most software made for the ST/STe - at least the more popular titles. You're always going to have some software that won't like the hardware/OS differences.

  • @ritsukasa
    @ritsukasa 21 день назад +1

    That's a nice machine. I like Joust a lot, played it with an atari 800xl. You played bad but should have put the yostick on the table.

  • @jediknight2350
    @jediknight2350 6 месяцев назад +1

    if only atari could actually remake the whole computer again only put a 060 init more memory and upgrade the os be nice.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      That would be nice!

    • @ecdhe
      @ecdhe 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd actually some company sells the CT63 which is an extension board for Falcon which allow to plug in a 68060.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  2 месяца назад

      @@ecdhe Very Cool :)

  • @user-Atamigaputer
    @user-Atamigaputer 4 месяца назад +1

    How much do you want for the falcon?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for checking, but I am not looking to sell it. I have many plans for it.

    • @ecdhe
      @ecdhe 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd I'm curious: what plans? Running Falcon-specific software? Programming the 68030?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  2 месяца назад

      @@ecdhe Just having Fun with it! :)

    • @ecdhe
      @ecdhe 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheVintNerd anything Falcon-specific or just using ST software with a 68030?

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  2 месяца назад

      @@ecdhe Certainly some Falcon-specific stuff. Lots of other projects to get to first though.

  • @gmirwin
    @gmirwin 6 месяцев назад +1

    You need Han Solo and Chewbacca action figures to go with your Falcon 😂

  • @ms-ex8em
    @ms-ex8em 5 месяцев назад +1

    thanks ...............

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  5 месяцев назад

      Thank you for watching! :)

  • @elffyb
    @elffyb 6 месяцев назад +1

    you might be jousting wrong.

    • @TheVintNerd
      @TheVintNerd  6 месяцев назад

      Oh most definitely. The joystick I picked was not the best one for the job. 😄