Unusual Aircraft Attitude Recovery Procedures, by Captain Warren VanderBurgh.
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2013
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An American Airlines Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program (AAMP) video about unusual aircraft recovery procedures, presented by Captain Warren VanderBurgh.
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Sadly, Captain VanderBurgh passed away in 2016. RIP, he graced many pilots even to this day with his knowledge.
😢😢😢 He was a smart man.
13:30 "Good news is you can't be wrong!" I lost it. This guy's brilliant!
This guy is awesome. "That's the spin entry procedure." Ha!
I love pre 9/11 optimism and positivity. You could feel the change in the atmosphere here in the US right after the event.
Well, there is one for instructors teaching students how to recover from one.
@@officergregorystevens5765 Wow, has American not recovered from that...
@@alukuhito mentally, never recover. I’m Canadian and it still bugs me.
@@alukuhito No, not at all. There was a small but still existent presumption of innocence. Ever since 9/11, pretty much every American (public work or not) assumes the worst.
R.I.P Captain Warren VanderBurgh (1942-2016)
Watch the crash of American 587.
Awww. Sad. Natural causes or accident?
@jack torrence Pilot error my ass!
@jack torrence Again scapegoating the pilot!
@@maxhaines3794 Message received and understood.Ithink i ll walk over and out!
"Where did you get your flying license from"
Me : RUclips
You must be Pakistani
@@carlosbolivar5935 I am from bobs and vagene
@@carlosbolivar5935 Your college professor is. They are outsourcing competence now too. It's easier to get people to violate our environmental laws at home when they are not from here. I couldn't think any other reason a gullible idiot should be in charge of municipal civil infrastructure. According to that gullible idiot the 'Popular Press' says that smokers who spit are causing more harm to the environment than burning fossil fuels. According to some tight candy ass from the 'Popular Press' who doesn't smoke and loves driving their car. Funny how competent people are taught that the POPULAR PRESS is not a VALID academic source.
@@captainevans5840 😂😂😂
Brendan Wood ...are you alright, mate?
I dont know why I'm watching this. I work in healthcare.
We would need you, if we don’t take heed what he has to say.
Wait same. Thanks RUclips
because it's captivating
Same lol
Y'all work?
not one stutter, not one "uuuh", this guy knows how to talk
The best training vids out there-totally relevant today.Van knows his stuff, and every pilot should rewatch these lectures atleast twice a year.
I watch em all at least once a month. Every month, I hop in my home sim and practice some of these procedures.
@@SusanKay- wow-deservedly so!
@@SebastianWoodard -smart move.
@@pilotactor777 when I eventually am flying in the real world, I want as much experience handling every situation I possibly can.
All credits go to American Airlines for allowing these videos to be online on this channel. They are such valuable training material!
Love these videos as a flying buff. What's interesting is I read a report on AA 587, the Airbus that crashed in Queens because the tail sheared off due to overuse of the rudder in wake turbulence. It seemed to fault in part the training in this very program, AAMP. But if you hear Van's warning at the end of the video, he clearly warns how powerful the rudder is and to not over apply it, much-less kick it back and forth like the 587 pilot did. At the time this video was made they didn't think you could shear the tail completely off but they were certainly clear about the power of the rudder. I don't think it was AAMP's fault, I think the pilot just over-controlled the rudder under stressful conditions.
Yeah I agree. He warns about not over correcting but media always has a wonderful way of distorting everything. I just think the guy over used the rudder because he freaked out.
I agree it's not their fault for this video. But from what I've heard he got training additional to this, where they put him in a simulator where if he didn't aggressively use the rudder an unrealistic upset would occur, to teach the trainee to take firm action or something. In any case, shit happened :/
Around 20:30 he mentions that these are very powerful rudders and not to overapply them. At least he implies that.
my exact thought
has anyone found a segment talking about anything similar to what the co pilot was taught in this video just curious
I'm watching this as a hardened airline vet who has 70 flight-hours in MFS 2020.
I've taken what I've learned through Capt. Vanderburghs presentations and practiced in the sim a lot.
but you cant stall in msfs2020
my left ear was lonely.
President Goku i feel u, i'm deaf in it ;-;
The right one however was highly fascinated at the same time.
+Matt C2083 you could always turn on "stereo as mono" mode in the accessibility settings of your device
I have windows 10, and I went into the audio settings page titled "adjust volume" and turned on mono audio.
you need more right rudder in this video 👋
Captain VanderBurgh's courses are really well constructed and he's a truly gifted presenter. I've learned a lot from them - and I'm just a humble private pilot of SEP. I'd also like to know where he buys his great shirts!
he "was" :( RIP Captain Vanderburgh.
That's a great shirt? Is that sarcasm? Or does he wear nice shirts in other videos?
I'm trying to start flight training myself. My father was a pilot. H flew 737-200s and L188 electra's commercially. Flew UH-1s in Vietnam. He's flown a lot of things really. Told me a story of a prop separation into another engine on the L188 he was involved in at one point. H s my inspiration. Watching Captain Vanderburgh reminds me so much of him. I can watch his presentations all day.
I'm gonna use this information when I make some sweet jumps on my BMX bike.
my first training as am ATP applicant I saw several of these and he's got to be the BEST instructor I've ever had ! and yes I'm rewatching all of him I can find !
38th minute never fails to impress me. Beautiful video. Thanks
I lost my attitude indicator on IMC takeoff in my Mooney. It just slowly went over. They don’t train that way. None I didn’t follow it because nothing else was moving. Trust your instruments but verify. Saved my life. Good instructor
Good Lord, I’m glad you had the sense not to follow it. That would’ve killed many pilots. It’s so easy to focus on the attitude indicator and loose sight of all other instruments.
This is golden information thank you for posting this
Captain Warren advises “ judiscious use of rudder inputs” . He never advises aggressive inputs, merely fUll ‘Top rudder’. Contrary to some of the comments here,.. Great video.
Wonderful video. Never gets old
My right ear really enjoyed this video.
Thanks!
Amazing instructor. This is the man you want up in front!
Can't wait to put my plane upside down in ms flight simulator 2020 and try to recover like this.
I'm gonna try this in Kerbal Space Program :)
Great share !!
The plane on a stick is almost as important to this presentation as to what he is saying. you not only understand what he is explaining but you visualize it at the same time.
Yeah. As someone with nonverbal learning disorder that's always been a challenge. I don't fly irl, just simulators on and off for...15 years , about 10 steadily. (age 29). Anyway yea, you're definitely right.
Training aids are the best
“Folks on the left side of the plane are probably getting a little exited”
What I really got me thinking is that, “the folks on right side are still reading their newspaper.” That put in perspective how easy it is to lose special awareness in an aircraft.
Awesome vid!
Very good didactics
This guy is a full blown comedian and can recover any plane from any situation, love it
Could he have recovered from a flat spin?
I sent a trainee the children of magenta video. Thank you sir, one of the best video I’d seen. This presentation is airmanship at its best. I know he’s no more but things he did for aviation is ineffable
Edit: Suzy’s lips never lies. It’s not sexist but you don’t want cross controls at high Aoa
He is so awesome!
The comments about the rudder...truly haunting. Only four years later, the F/O of an A300 would rip the tail off his aircraft by putting in too much rudder.
That was caused by multiple opposing inputs, not one full deflection
Gold.
This is from the 90's, right? Very interesting.
When he talks about the rudder, I thought: Some years later, American Airlines flight 587 crashed because of excessive alternating rudder input in wake turbulence.
The report describes in detail how this could arise from the training (Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program).
At least in THIS PART of the training, the instructor says the opposite:
Because rudders are very powerful, apply it smoothly, wait for the plane to react.
Well, if you learned (like the FO of AA587) that wake turbulence is so extremely dangerous and powerful, you may conclude that only full rudder can beat it.
Robert Worm yes that’s true , but totally different scenario to Flt 587 , with that scenario There was no need to do what the pilot did , he just needed aileron deflection to control the roll what he did was stamp on the rudder hard and abruptly from stop to stop under takeoff power settings and so overloaded the tail, he actually says don’t kick the rudder! Exactly the opposite to what Flt 587 did
Part of the problem with that pilot's training was that the simulator he trained in did not react the same way a plane does. It wouldn't immediately respond to sharp rudder input so he developed a habit of repeatedly wiggling it back and forth hard until it responded. It was this repeated motion that caused the forces on the vertical stabiliser to get so great.
@@TheSpacecraftX To me, this means that the simulator programming was unacceptable. They should have programmed the simulator to immediately stop if the plane is put into a situation that will cause it to break apart.
I thought the same. Don’t fight the turbulence, wait until it causes the airplane to get into a situation that requires “unusual attitude recovery” then watch this video. And don’t stomp the rudder.
I can dig it...
Why did I just watch this entire thing when I’m not a pilot, and have only a minimal grasp of what the flight co trolls do.?😆
Just found this video. The thumbs up-down ratio says it all. Excellent video.
Great work AA.
Unusual Attitudes at.
6:26
8:30
9:26
Sky POINTER
Pitch Attitude Fixed AC symbol
Ie.Nose high or nose low
Horizon line
"i mean, understand, right here, if you jam full right rudder, that's the _spin entry procedure_ 😊"
lost it right there
Fantastic lecture.
@11:20 perfect reasoning of what might have happened in the recent Indonesian crash. Autothrottle causing bank to left (when autopilot trying to go right) pilot trying to correct with heading select or something. Just needed to get a hold of it
Yes that is a good example of what this type of training was trying to prevent. My understanding of that Indonesian incident is that the pilot turned the plane in the wrong direction once he started manually flying it. Maybe a video like this could have saved their lives.
This is SO GOOD, thanks! - from a c172 pilot PPL guy
cool
My right ear really enjoyed the video...
This guy is awesome.
RIP... Good stuff!
Great teacher!If I had teachers like this in scool I might have lurned something!
this guy is a legend.
In response to being an avid R/C Model pilot for over 10 years, I can say having recently obtained my PPL, I would be far less comfortable in a real aircraft upset than say handling a model in an upset. You have to be very " Ahead of the airplane " to know exactly what to do. In a real aircraft, it is very easy to panic, and make the wrong choice. Flying is not natural, man was not made to fly, therefore you have to become familiar with being ahead of your aircraft, and even more so, ahead of your own emotions.
Крутой дядька
nyimak captain!
Me: *Wishing I had a pilot license*
RUclips: "Here's your first lesson"
Best 38mins invested in my life.. 🙌
The " Oh Shhhhhh Shoot Zone"...indeed
26:20 densel washington in flight was wrong
420apache657 cool profile pic!
420apache657 everything in that movie was wrong.
They tried to do this in the real life incident that inspired the one in flight though see Alaska 261
Also, in that movie the nose trim was pitched full down. That's what put the plane in a dive in the first place.
You can with cocaine, though. The movie proves this.
This guy did just wat a good training captain should do, thats spending lot of time in the simulator to figure out abnormal situations.
I for myselve (not being a training capt.) had the oppertunety to do this eventualy being able ta get almost out of any weird situation and have a verry good understandig of the systems of the aircraft types involved.
However.. unfortunately these days aviation is all about costs and training is generaly seen as an unpleasant investment...basicly thats what Capt. Sullenberger also indicated.
I'm not interested in piloting but I've just watched the whole video
Now in case both of us up front keel over at the same time you are slightly more prepared!
POWER/BANK/ PITCH ...?
"Fly the airplane first"
Ball attitude indicator? Is that the round analog ones or the Flight Director/Attitude Indicator used in spacecraft?
I don't know jack shit about planes but I feel like I understand everything he tells me.
I don't have jet time; but makes sense to me... No one wants to hit the dirt @ 400 knots...
today i was also thought the spin entry procedure. Guys watchout with the Xtreme 3D pro Z axis LOL better to leave that rudder center
I love how the video is about recovering aircraft from unusual attitudes but the title and the description is about recovering unusual aircraft... like what, an ekranoplan?
We are moving away from "Pilots" toward "seat occupants" in the cockpit.
More reliance on automation and less actual flying skill.
That's been an excellent thing for safety, in net, though.
Most accidents are due to bad flying skill, automation will have saved a huge population of what would be pilot error accidents
One of my flight instructors was talking about how great it will be in the future when he works for an airline because it's basically a desk job. I was thinking, "You actually WANT a desk job?" Anyway, he is one now.
@@needicecream100 There will be less accidents in total (given all new aircrafts get these systems by default and not as a costly option), but the couple accidents that will inevitably happen will be most of times the fault of automation and over-reliance upon it. I am with the sentiment that people will be more shocked about such a kind of accidents. Look at the outcry about the 737 MAX crashes. To me, Captain Vanderburgh is totally right about the first unwritten rule of recovery procedures (this should also apply to other means of transportation): if your machine goes off-track, disable all automatic systems, because you cannot exactly know which one is faulty at the time. The faulty one has no awareness of its abnormal operation, otherwise it would have corrected its course of action or stopped altogether.
I’m a geologist. I don’t know why I’m watching this
What I have never understood is why don't they have a mechanical ball type indicator as backup. Stick one to the dash and no matter if you have a failure it is always there.
Usually they have 2 pfds so you glance at the other side. Then there's a backup one.
The truth at 11'.... disconnect AP & ATHR
29:50 Is the MD-11 rudder THAT effective as he says? Comparable to other aircraft it is very small due to the center engine below it.
The vertical stabiliser is small, but the control surface of the ruddar is quite large, in part to compensate for the relatively small vertical stabiliser caused by the stretch required to create the MD-11, while also keeping development costs long, it is in effect a bodge to try and even out the small tail plane, by making a bigger part of it incorporated into the rudder.
*Yee haw! Whooo doggies!*
*Put another quarter init daddy!*
*I'na go agin!*
I actually understand what he is talking about and I’m not a pilot. Remember all the components to move your aircraft around are just small wings themselves including the prop on small aircraft. Dependent of angle they all lift in the upward position. That is why a rudder at 90 has lift away from ground
Please can the next course be about Unusual Female Attitude Recovery Procedures, thanks.
How often does an airplane reach the roof down with autopilot? Where are the passengers then and during the recovery? Most of times cause of this situations are technical fault and/or pilots disorientation.
Obviously it is very rare for these things to happen but if the pilots are trained for these cases it could end up saving hundreds of lives.
The "Fff....." zone... lmao
This guy is a great teacher
Do modern airlines have this type of lecture?
Yes, and we do it in the simulator during initial training and recurrent training once every 6 months to a year (depending on the airline). I can only speak for U.S airlines but I imagine airlines in other developed countries do the same. Can’t speak for janky/sketchy airlines in other countries.
push roll pull
Henry Winkler really seems to know what he's talking about.
Why is it in mono, panned all the way to the right?
Would've taken 30 seconds to fix it.
Thanks for taking the time to write this remark.
We made restored versions of all the Capt. VanderBurgh videos on the channel, see in description also.
Part One: ruclips.net/video/hs5TYYlIneo/видео.html
Part Two: ruclips.net/video/kcP-7ljNR7M/видео.html
Fly safe!
@@flightcrewguidecom thank you
I am waiting for 18th of august. And u?
He's explaining all of the procedures that I use to fly aircraft in FSX
So is this what the Dupont guy was doing before he started a wrestling training camp and shot that guy?
I got your back for nose high and low determination the layman way apart from my normal perception without an easy equipments, it install a 3 inch glass cylinder with murcery in it, and the cylinder will have 3 concave notch along its base, at every inch, (1___2__ 3), fixed at the ceilling of the mid cockpit pointing the end 1 towards the nose of the aeroplane, so its like mercury could be in slot 1, 2 or 3, dependind on nose down , horizontal or nose up stall of the craft.
That isn’t going to work. Anything gravity based is going to be influenced by g-forces. A gyroscope is the only thing that will show true attitude.
what happened to left audio channel?
golden words ...
10:56 ....that reminds me of the Russian airliner that crashed due to a pilot's kids being in the cockpit (no sterile cockpit... bad way to start it off). They son turns off part of the autopilot system (or, one of autopilot systems in an aircraft with numerous systems) and, long story short, the pilots fight the remaining autopilot systems and the plane hits terrain. Had they just let go and let the autopilot systems work, the plane likely would've saved itself (and the crew and passengers aboard would've soiled themselves, but lived).
.....had they turned the autopilot and auto throttle off, I bet they would have been able to save it as well.
Does this still hold true? Maybe not after the vertical stabilizer was lost in that american A300
35:57
beautifully answered and summed up in a timestamp, bravo!@@MrEurocup
Aviation's god himself!
Oh shhhiii.....shoot"
This should be required study for all 737 Max Pilots
it should be required study for all pilots, period. i can't even count the number of accidents that would have been prevented in the last 10 years if the crews involved had all taken this training.
And Air France pilots too
I rode on a centrifuge!
Should have taught lionair 610 crew
I figured out some of those things for unusual nose down while messing around in a simulator in a fighter jet. I was trying to just do a barrel roll for fun and kept running into the ground so I realized I had to coordinate the rudder and elevators to pull me up throughout the roll.
Mmm'kay.
The pilots of Adam Air Flight 574 could have done with a session like this. They let their plane drift into a right wing, nose down attitude and the captain's recovery attempt was to pull back on the yoke, making it worse. At no point did he try to level the wings :(
Some test pilots end up "inverted" for md80/boeing 717 ,but recover it in time. Check the video,is impressive! After he got inverted he made the mistake to pull ,so the plane point straight to the ground!!
With the new cockpits why don’t they have on a screen an airplane like a flight simulator instead of flat instruments with small arrows. Even in landing they have these little lines and symbols. It should be similar to a video game.
Why am I here I don’t even want to be a pilot. Great professor/presenter though. Lovely guy.
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Ok give me the keys
Im ready
Everyone(!!) should learn to fly in the glider, and return to the glider yearly, including the "crazy attitudes" which are meat and potatoes of glider flying. Imagine recovering from a cross-control stall/spin on instruments.
I would like to know the opinion of Captain vanderburgh about the accident of flight AA 587