I like this painting, it feels like you're seeing it from across the river or a boat. I also didn't know that about the A2's, thanks for addressing those myths. Maybe Raven's A2's deserve a newbuild to fill that historic gap...
I would love to see a nee build A2. The locos didn’t get enough time to shine and we’re withdrawn too quickly to leave an impression, so maybe now is the time to give them the love they deserved.
Oh wow! Love the painting Chris! I don't think the engine not being in as prominent is a huge issue because it's still there and the scenery just exemplifies it I believe. P.S, Thanks again for the lift! ;)
I like the painting, a good painting of a loco or train does not have to be zoomed in on the loco or consist. Maybe another painting of the A2 is in order, but that is because I just like the look of the engines. I prefer the A1 visually, but there is something about Raven’s Pacific that draws my eye.
I love these Paint Your Engine videos, they’re such a cozy vibe. Any chances you could do videos on Great Eastern or Great Central locos? That would be great.
I didn’t realise at first, but I remember being quite surprised by its existence. Given that it was came out at roughly the same time as Flying Scotsman, I’m not surprised it didn’t last long. It’s a shame too, they weren’t bad locomotives, but they just weren’t going to last.
No. 2400 out-performed 1472 on trial from Kings Cross. It had a higher speed, higher draw-bar pull, used slightly less coal, had lower smokebox temperatures and was capable of maintaining full boiler pressure and blowing off whilst at line speed and with both injectors on. 1472 couldn't! 😅
Wow, I didn’t expect that. I just assumed they were ok but inferior in they eyes of Gresley and the LNER board. Thanks Anthony, you’re helping me learn something new every day.
@@joshslater2426 As one of Raven's biographers suggests, the test results for the Raven Pacifics were doctored to make them look less favourable to the Gresley locos - but the official reports and dynamometer rolls don't lie! The Ravens were as agood if not a bit better than the A1s. Gresley also made some stupid stupid decisions: the GCR, NER, GER and North British all used air brakes, yet at considerable extra cost, decided to standardise on Vacuum brakes. The LNER was broke and it wouldve been cheaper and easier to convert the small amount of vacuum fitted GNR stock to air brakes. But no. He also abolished the NER Automatic Train Control system, and the one used on the GCR. The GNR never had anything so advanced, wasn't standard Doncaster, so in the bin it went. In other words safety standards became lower on the LNER because of Gresley and his 'Doncaster' doctrine.
Nice video, good bit of history.The Raven A2s were beautiful machines but they appear to have been a bit old fashioned when only a year or two old (the cylinder arrangement is very pre-grouping in style!) I can see why a move towards standard designs would objectively favour Greeley's locos.
I've just thought of when you did your E2 video ages ago and you said you wouldn't do more videos of non-preserved engines because of lack of available photos and video to use as background, and now you've brought that full circle by painting the backgrounds yourself! Finally a bit of 'circular narrative' that I understand now from English class
I believe that the Raven A2's are underrated gems, and considering that the British railway community is starting to look at them in a more positive light, it seems to very much be the case! This painting will make me wonder how differently things would've been had the Railway's Grouping Act taken place in 1925 or so. Maybe then, Vincent Raven would've be able to work out the kinks of his Pacific's in time for the grouping act to happen and maybe more would've been built. Had they even made it into BR days, they could've been classified as maybe 6P5F and perhaps some would've been preserved.
The A2’s, perhaps my favorite locomotive class! I kind of wish one survived into preservation, I’m sure they could still strut their stuff today! Me thinks maybe a new build in the future?
Nice and pleaant choice of colours perfectly evocative of the ambiance of the (generally damp) climate in the area, although I remain a bit worried about the perspective: as soon as I saw you laying down the masking tape, it became obvious that the consist's roofs vanishing line would't match the viaduct's one. But that can be easily retouched.😊
Very interesting! I had heard of the Raven A2, but had never bothered researching them. It’s too bad they were withdrawn so early, as it would have been nice to know a little more about them than we do, seeing as they were LNER Pacifics, and it would have also been nice if one was preserved. I’m personally hoping myself that maybe we see a model of one some day! It definitely would not be an odd choice for Hornby if they made one, as they make tons of Pacifics, and have been doing some rather obscure classes lately. Then again, if Hornby did it, the price would probably be ridiculous…
They were three cylinder locomotives, with three independent sets of Stephenson Link valve gear. The crank axle of the original design was a forging. A new built-up crank axle was designed in 1925 which solved the problem of crank-axle failure. At the same time opportunity was also taken to re-design the axle boxes and improve the lubrication system. They were very modern engines with steam reversers and all -mechanical lubrication. Far more user friendly than Gresley design.
They had three independent sets of Stephenson-link valve gear. They also out-performed the Gresley A1s as they were faster, had lower smokebox temperatures, used slightly less coal, had a higher draw-bar pull and had much better boilers being able to maintain full boiler pressure running at speed with both injectors on whereas 'Scotsman' couldn't.
It's a lovely painting. Shows the A2 in its element.
I like this painting, it feels like you're seeing it from across the river or a boat.
I also didn't know that about the A2's, thanks for addressing those myths. Maybe Raven's A2's deserve a newbuild to fill that historic gap...
I would love to see a nee build A2. The locos didn’t get enough time to shine and we’re withdrawn too quickly to leave an impression, so maybe now is the time to give them the love they deserved.
a short life but some very underrated history!
A fantastic painting Chris
seriously impressed (david Paul Rowan RBA (sen)
Oh wow! Love the painting Chris! I don't think the engine not being in as prominent is a huge issue because it's still there and the scenery just exemplifies it I believe.
P.S, Thanks again for the lift! ;)
I like the painting, a good painting of a loco or train does not have to be zoomed in on the loco or consist.
Maybe another painting of the A2 is in order, but that is because I just like the look of the engines. I prefer the A1 visually, but there is something about Raven’s Pacific that draws my eye.
I love these Paint Your Engine videos, they’re such a cozy vibe.
Any chances you could do videos on Great Eastern or Great Central locos? That would be great.
I didn’t realise at first, but I remember being quite surprised by its existence. Given that it was came out at roughly the same time as Flying Scotsman, I’m not surprised it didn’t last long. It’s a shame too, they weren’t bad locomotives, but they just weren’t going to last.
No. 2400 out-performed 1472 on trial from Kings Cross. It had a higher speed, higher draw-bar pull, used slightly less coal, had lower smokebox temperatures and was capable of maintaining full boiler pressure and blowing off whilst at line speed and with both injectors on. 1472 couldn't! 😅
Wow, I didn’t expect that. I just assumed they were ok but inferior in they eyes of Gresley and the LNER board. Thanks Anthony, you’re helping me learn something new every day.
@@joshslater2426 As one of Raven's biographers suggests, the test results for the Raven Pacifics were doctored to make them look less favourable to the Gresley locos - but the official reports and dynamometer rolls don't lie! The Ravens were as agood if not a bit better than the A1s. Gresley also made some stupid stupid decisions: the GCR, NER, GER and North British all used air brakes, yet at considerable extra cost, decided to standardise on Vacuum brakes. The LNER was broke and it wouldve been cheaper and easier to convert the small amount of vacuum fitted GNR stock to air brakes. But no. He also abolished the NER Automatic Train Control system, and the one used on the GCR. The GNR never had anything so advanced, wasn't standard Doncaster, so in the bin it went. In other words safety standards became lower on the LNER because of Gresley and his 'Doncaster' doctrine.
Nice video, good bit of history.The Raven A2s were beautiful machines but they appear to have been a bit old fashioned when only a year or two old (the cylinder arrangement is very pre-grouping in style!)
I can see why a move towards standard designs would objectively favour Greeley's locos.
It is a shame that the A2s didn’t last as long compared to other classes.
I've just thought of when you did your E2 video ages ago and you said you wouldn't do more videos of non-preserved engines because of lack of available photos and video to use as background, and now you've brought that full circle by painting the backgrounds yourself! Finally a bit of 'circular narrative' that I understand now from English class
Good painting - far better than any effort I could manage with a paint by numbers
Excellent video Chris Eden-Green
I believe that the Raven A2's are underrated gems, and considering that the British railway community is starting to look at them in a more positive light, it seems to very much be the case! This painting will make me wonder how differently things would've been had the Railway's Grouping Act taken place in 1925 or so. Maybe then, Vincent Raven would've be able to work out the kinks of his Pacific's in time for the grouping act to happen and maybe more would've been built. Had they even made it into BR days, they could've been classified as maybe 6P5F and perhaps some would've been preserved.
I love these. Let me get a cup of cocoa and a comfy seat.
The A2’s, perhaps my favorite locomotive class!
I kind of wish one survived into preservation, I’m sure they could still strut their stuff today! Me thinks maybe a new build in the future?
Nice and pleaant choice of colours perfectly evocative of the ambiance of the (generally damp) climate in the area, although I remain a bit worried about the perspective: as soon as I saw you laying down the masking tape, it became obvious that the consist's roofs vanishing line would't match the viaduct's one. But that can be easily retouched.😊
My personal headcanon for Gordon's basis ^^
Very interesting! I had heard of the Raven A2, but had never bothered researching them. It’s too bad they were withdrawn so early, as it would have been nice to know a little more about them than we do, seeing as they were LNER Pacifics, and it would have also been nice if one was preserved. I’m personally hoping myself that maybe we see a model of one some day! It definitely would not be an odd choice for Hornby if they made one, as they make tons of Pacifics, and have been doing some rather obscure classes lately. Then again, if Hornby did it, the price would probably be ridiculous…
Now then. how about Channel Packet on the first post war Golden Arrow in glorious Malachite?
I had never actually heard of these locomotives until today, an interesting crank rod choice for sure but as stated in the video, wore out quicker
They were three cylinder locomotives, with three independent sets of Stephenson Link valve gear. The crank axle of the original design was a forging. A new built-up crank axle was designed in 1925 which solved the problem of crank-axle failure. At the same time opportunity was also taken to re-design the axle boxes and improve the lubrication system. They were very modern engines with steam reversers and all -mechanical lubrication. Far more user friendly than Gresley design.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Stephensons motion? Never would have thought it would be that, that’s honestly kinda cool
looks amazing :D
Hey Chris, during your time doign Paint your engine, how long has it taken you to do each of your paintings?
I can’t say much about these things performance but the valve gear will always look wrong to me
They had three independent sets of Stephenson-link valve gear. They also out-performed the Gresley A1s as they were faster, had lower smokebox temperatures, used slightly less coal, had a higher draw-bar pull and had much better boilers being able to maintain full boiler pressure running at speed with both injectors on whereas 'Scotsman' couldn't.
Hi, Chris. Imagine the Dutch Nederland Spoorwegen owned them. They will be fun!
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