Irving Wolfe: Introduction to Velikovsky’s Ideas | EU2017
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Dr. Irving Wolfe will review Immanuel Velikovsky’s contributions to a broad-ranging discourse in the sciences. Why did Velikovsky’s best-selling Worlds in Collision provoke one of most heated scientific controversies of the 20th century? Why did the gatekeepers of “acceptable” theory feel compelled to mobilize a boycott of the original publisher? And is it possible that Velikovsky’s own perspective on cultural amnesia can help us understand the reactions to his work? Modeling his analysis on a judicial approach, Dr. Wolfe will correct the record for the benefit of new generations in the sciences.
Dr. Irving Wolfe earned a PhD in Drama from the University of Bristol, England. He is a member of the faculty, Department of English, University of Montréal, Canada. In addition to his literary research, Professor Wolfe has presented several dozen papers on catastrophism at conferences in England, Canada, and the United States, and has published papers in the field in British, Canadian and American journals. He has also contributed large sections on catastrophism to a number of anthologies. Professor Wolfe is concerned with the long-lasting effects of collective unconscious catastrophic memory on later collective and individual human behavior and intellectual products, so his articles, conference papers, and book sections have focused on catastrophism and Shakespeare, creative art, religion, cosmology, ancient chronology, political activism, epistemology, sport, soap opera, ancient governments and public rituals, ancient cities, ancient writing and literacy, scientific repression and popular culture. He is currently completing a book on catastrophism and unconscious collective memory in Shakespeare.
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Velikovsky was brilliant and so sad to hear he was even given a, persona non grata, by the country. But with Thunderbolts and the work of Wal Thornhill and David Tallbott, the Electric Universe is gaining ground. Thank you for this presentation
+ gator8287 Velikovsky was/is brilliant and thankfully thunderbolts folks like Dave Talbott and Wal Thornhill, among many others, have carried on his work.
Wasnt velikovsky an insurance salesman who passed of ignatious l. donnelly's work as his own.
@Sparkle Plenty Is that a technical enquiry?
@@andrew-vo9hi no it’s fucking simple question...wasnt betamaster a jackoff machine from revco , that’s technical.
I dont mean to be so off topic but does anyone know a trick to log back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly lost the account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me!
I love learning ...I remember wishing there was some viable way to become a “full time” student but then that would’ve probably enslaved me to academic echo chamber ...I’ll be honest this electric plasma universe is becoming clear, crystal clear...thank you for posting this seminar and talks...
Fantastic talk :-) He didn't need a slide show... I could have listened to him for 2 more hours and love every minute of it... He's GREAT!
The _Curse of Powerpoint_ has been broken!
Agreed!
fantastic.
What an amazing storyteller his is, Dr. Irving Wolfe! And a true champion for Dr. Velikovsky and his ideas.
What a treat . Thank you so much for making this available .
these "scientist" that attack velikovsky are no better than bullies on the playground
What a strange analogy.
Worse, as they are supposedly mature, logical, dispassionate, academic professional experts that are spewing vitriol and propagating scientific sounding Party-Line propaganda to their proteges and the public. BONEHEADS.
Why pay for that worthlessly accredited degree. So another bonehead might give you work, maybe to continue the blackhole party. Leave the basrards behind in the dust. Scientific priority has been established. NASA is trying to backdoor authorship but it's hard to do when they are still boneheads.
Worse, they will reliable it and say it's their discovery. Thieves.
Criminal I would say, frauds.
"Im getting an echo" darlins, sometimes they warn you! Believe them.
This was better than most lectures and without slides or pictures. Really easy to understand he was entertaining and engaged the audience.
What Veliskovsky proposed, was an amazing leap of ideas and theory which spawned this entire field... Just amazing!
A valuable resource worthy of prolific dissemination. Thanks Irving Wolfe! Such a wonderful contribution for all those eager to learn from a
non-conformist thinking wise man.
Thank you very much for bringing all these great people to the public attention.
I took my first drink of Velikovsky in the early 60's. I shudder to think how 'proper' I might otherwise have become.
What a lovely, interesting fellow! So engaging, wished it went on longer
I want to say that this is the most captivating character study of Velicovski to exist, and Dr. Wolfe happens to be one of the most captivating speakers on the subject I've ever heard. This talk was the pleasant surprise of the EU 2017 Presentations
Wonderful Talk, I agree, could have listened for longer but still love you guys at Electric Universe.
"Worlds in collision" is a brilliant book from Velikovsky.
thank you for your heartfelt attempt to exonerate the great and profound Velocovsky
For me the fact that Einstein trusted him and they were friends, it's enough for his credibility
We think of Aristotle being dominant because we associate him with Aquinas, but actually Aristotle wasn't dominant during the Middle Ages (although he was seen as important) because he was considered a dialectician. But in fact very few people had read Aquinas during his lifetime, because it took so long to produce a book with monks hunched over a manuscript in scriptoria. So the notion we have of Aristotle being dominant is *modern*, viewed from a perspective that barely existed at all prior to the printing press.
Thank you good sir!!
Thx
Turns out, you don't need any a/v Your charming personality combined with your deep knowledge of the topic and people involved kept my attention and was intriguing to listen to! I have wanted to know the story surrounding Velikovsky and his book for a long time, thank you very much!
I just came here to see if Thunderbolts project had already a video debunking the nonsensical "Photo of the century".
I can't wait for it...
don't often hear Earth in Upheaval mentioned, it should be.
Amazing!! I would love to see this man in person. Brilliant
Irving Wolfe was my Prof at University of Montreal. He was a wonderful prof who gave highly enjoyable and insightful lectures about Shakespeare, a subject he loves. So nice to see him again and hear him speaking 30+ years later.
Absolutely wonderful and right on!!!!
An interesting page in the Velikovsky saga. Thank you.
Wow, what a character. Very entertaining and informative. I kind of wished he could have stayed longer. The EU is always exciting but some lectures can get a bit dry. Not Mr Wolfe's. He's like your really interesting Uncle. Great video, as per usual. Thank you for all your great output Thunderbolts Project. I had all but given up on science but the EU model is bringing real science back to the forefront. There may be a long way to go but we will get there. Peace!
Glad Ive listened
Sir, the new religion calls : climate change
he told a necrophilia story as a joke...and someone edited out Jesus?
You may think of the prophet of the last, final and unchangeable iteration. Since I live in western Europe, I can't spell out his name due to a fear based on history, reason and reality.
I loved his presentation.
not really Introduction to Velikovsky’s Ideas at all.only what others dooing wrong.
Hitler invented the modern rock concert, light shows, candles, flames, loudspeakers, music, the whole show. Crazy.
I don't know if the cabernets had discoballs?
Outlaw the
Islamo-Nazi-Democrap Party.
It's a rape and murder Sex-&-Death Cult.
REMEMBER BENGHAZI
Murderous Treason.
Hang 'em All High in Public
For the Kids.
I'm a Brit and I'm currently laughing my arse off! This guy is absolutely hilarious in his characterisation of (Victorian) English people & their attitudes; although nowadays you'd likely need to find a historical reenactment society to find this behaviour anywhere in the UK... bit of a shame in some respects.
Thanks for the entertainment and the information Dr Wolfe.
I’m a Brit and he’s massively offensive to British women. Unnecessarily so.
Strange. The talk is good apart from that.
The problem with Veliskovsky is that he was a scientist who brings technical proofs for his theories. What people want is a virtual novel. His mind was evidently universal. But why this belief that Nazis burn books, as if we don’t. And why was this guy stopped? He should have been given the whole three hours.
First 20 minutes was interesting re. Shapely vs Velikovsky ; but not a lot of substance V's actual 'ideas' ie rambling, discursive.
Answer for the point raised at 5 minute within the video : The sun does move within the Galaxy and around the barycenter point of the solar system that seem to be just outside of the sun. The movement within the galaxy cannot be avoided. Star move they are not static. Unless the model is wrong but as far as I know and seem to be aware every star will move within the galaxy.
There was a 3model of the moving solar system and it look like a vortex. You can find it on youtube.
Thank you, so very interesting, delightful
They knew he was right and tried to silence him
But there was zero "introduction to Velikovsky"s ideas"!!
I was hoping I' would get to see this one and low and behold here it is. Dr Irving Wolfe knows his stuff and knows it well. He knows Velikovsky`s stuff and knows it well. I would love to be one who gets to work with him on some of this in the future.
Albert Einstein actually left physics, maybe bored by it after having cracked it, and was very interested by Velikovsky's theories and writings; they were good friends.
Are you Freaking kidding me ..... at the 25:30 mark the name Jesus was Edited out....BY WHO ?
By the way.... I loved Irving Wolfe's Presentation !
Class act !
Screw, the world has reached that point. Most likely the (Greek) name was deleted to protect against censorship by the same organization that undermined Velikovsky and killed JFK, and a trainload of others.
And He came as a Hebrew speaking Hebrew to Hebrews. He has 1 Name. His Name is a Hebrew Name: Yeshua.
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 Suppressed by someone for some reason. That is atrocious. I'm an atheist, and even I DO NOT approve of this behavior. I want to be mad at Thunderbolts for going along with the 'program', but if Thunderbolts is deleted, I'd be more upset. You're right, the world has reached a point... a very bad point; I'm forced to wonder if humanity can make it through.
Probably by the same person that caused all the other momentary glitches in the sound.
What a friend we have in Jesus, all our sins and griefs to bear all because we do not carry everything to God in prayer!
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@@nonplayercharacter6478 , the lesson mankind is learning is that, no, mankind cannot make it through. Man was created. Man was tested. Man failed the test. In effect, man told his Almighty Creator that he, man, would decide what is right and what is wrong. Mankind has been sentenced to do just exactly that. For 6 thousand-year days, man is sentanced to learn the fruit of his ways. The physical man that sins, he shall die. Yehovah is not Mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, That shall he reap, whether of good to Life, or dinner to death. If Yeshua doesn't return when He will, there will be no humans left alive on the earth. Mattithya/Matthew 24.
But He Will return. At the Very end of the great tribulation period, because it will be He who puts a Mighty Stop to it, by destroying His enemies. He returns as lightning flashes from the east unto the west. He was born to be a King. He shall reign on the earth for ever. They shall beat their swords into plowshares. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. His reputation shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His peace and kingdom, there shall be no end. The wolf shall lie down with the lamb. Children shall yet play in the streets of Jerusalem. Neither shall they hurt nor destroy in all His Qodesh mountain. He is Yeshua. Yeshua is the Son of Yehovah. Praise His Name for all ages!
Very interesting!!! Thank you!
Great talk ! . . ;-)
Thanks for that.
Yust ordred Worlds in Collision, can`t wait to get my hands on the book.
Jesus is my friend.
I came for a lecture on Velikovsky; I got some guy who thinks he's a comedian doing a way too long stand-up routine bashing the English, and claiming it's some kind of "scientific proof" about something or other. Too bad I didn't pay for a ticket - I would have loved asking for a refund.
bobobobinalong I would have loved watching you get it lpl
In Euros or USDs?
I consider that there were three geniuses in the 20th century, Nicola Tesla, I. Velikovsky, and Einstein, in that order!
Velikovsky second, because he understood that the universe was electric, Einstein did not!
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Einstein borrowed the ideas from those before him and relativity is false so I think Einstein is given too much credit
@@ChristopherWheatley
He didn't recognise that the universe is electric. Vellikovsky did.
That's why Einstein's theories are incompatible with quantum physics.
.However they've been useful up to a point, like Newton's works.
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Funny thing is, people seem to have forgotten, or just aren't taught, that Darwin said Darwin was wrong
as far as i know that was Einstein, not Darwin, but i would be interested when and were he said that. so if you can point me to the article or publication, it would be a help.
@@MaryGreenleaf Im guessing its a quote mine. After all theres a quote where he says the development of the eye would be an impossible task (or something like that) but then goes on the explain how it could be done in simple steps and we see all those steps in nature. And micro-evolution has been observed many times, and theres different categories of evolution. So i dont understand how Darwin could be debunked when hes been proven many times.
@@nicosmind3 I agree. the eye developement is a standard creationist or intelligent design argument that has been debunked by biologists many times. Darwin didn't say anything about that as far as i know. He said that species evolve by selection. This has never been debunked. He didn't know about molecular genetics and DNA, but their discovery didn't discredit him or his theory (which means it has been scientifically prooven) also the discovery of more new mechanisms will not discredit his findings, but explain how evolution works even more.
@@nicosmind3 ah! i just found the quote about the eye. he said: “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
What ppl forget to mention is this:
“Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.”
I like hanging out on the limb.....thanks TBP for posting this talk!
I wonder if Velikovsky's name would still be known if not for the publicity generated by the controversy.
One of the Best Speakers I've ever listened too.
What a wonderful entertaining speaker. I appreciate his humorous slant on hard factual truth. Science had to find a way (Darwinism) to "prove" that everything got here without a God, because after all, if God is God then scientists aren't God, and of course they are.
My, my, what a small mind you have!
AKA, Indeed. Leviticus 23. Note v 3. Genesis 2: 2. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
@@jay90374 Thank you for making my point. You may go now.
@@akawireguy1197 If you really do believe in God, you could rationally ask -- "how does evolution disprove God?". Perhaps evolution just disproves your silly religion, my friend, but God????
I'm sorry 37rainman, but your question isn't even coherent.
Roger Spurr at mudfossil university agrees with Velokovsky and has a interesting channel, I really enjoyed and this was very enlightening.
Rapid fire quick story mode - engage !
I'm pretty sure Velikovsky did not talk about cricket this much.
I retard would say something like that.
the more our scientific authorities attack an idea, the more open minded i become to it.
i feel the same about politics.
This blew my mind 🤯
Refreshing. A fine gentleman.
At minute 40:51, Dr Irving Wolfe states that he is "an English professor", when he should have said, "a Jewish professor of English".
Once one understands this little detail, his criticism of European society and European culture takes on a new meaning.
Velikovsky was Jewish. Think of the Passover Plagues, the Great Flood and rainbows. Those tales or events as you will must inform upon his philosophy!
@@georgiapeach7666 Different kettle of fish. Velikovsky (1895-1979) lived in a different era to Wolfe, who I believe is still alive. It is like trying to compare Trump's brand of liberal democracy to the sort of liberal democracy espoused by today's Democrats. Though there is a degree of overlap between the two sets of examples, the Overton Window has shifted considerably since then.
I rather like it if Aristotle thought of the "nested egg = torroidal idea" and that a prime mover was behind it ... from what I make of it Aristotle has been painted as a "materialistic" philosopher ... the opposite apparently of Socrates and Plato. I suspect that the Sun certainly does move in a figure 8 fashion called an anathema. We live in overlapping magnetic vortices that create this "nested egg/toroid" phenomena in octave fashion. So what I have been pondering lately is that , if what I just said is true, do the nested eggs/toroids invert periodically due to polarity (or even expand and contract due to a ratcheting Fibonacci correction and a reset to the golden spiral mean approximation starting point?) and is this in effect a binary Sun effect and cross over? Interesting realm we live in!
I don't agree with the bashing of the English culture, at seventeenth century everyone in the world had a very restricted mentality, it just happens that the English conquered the world at that time
The EU guys are simply taking science back to where it was in Newton's day, but with the advantage of modern tools. Newton would have been with Wal and the team where he alive today. The advantage he has is that he accepts God as the creator rather than wasting time trying to prove there is no God. The comment about American football didn't age well!! However, a timely reminder to re-read Hamlet's Mill.
Refreshing and iteresting. Whist I might no agree with everything, it opened my eyes to the possibility that dogmatice science exists for no other reason that fanatise exists. Sometmes, science is in the hands of unscrupulous practicitioners of voddo.
"If something is worth doing, its worth over-doing. Moderation is for cowards."
Mr. Wolf was my teacher in university almost 15 years ago already and I feel so lucky to have met him. He made us discover so many greats plays and playwrights and he is the reason why I became so passionate about Shakespeare. I am so glad that he is still doing well and still so passionate about what he does!
Funny Harvard Acted that way Now there trying to steel the thunder from the sun Thus geo engineering.
Key points: 1) Interesting discussion on the attack of Velikovsky's work, 2) lots of side ideas, 3) no direct discussion of Velikovsky's work, and 4) the speaker is an English professor.
"...the speaker is an English professor." No escaping destiny I fear. Sometimes we must abide the messenger to hear the Message. At least he is true to his own fashion in every way! Also many of US do not need subtitles to understand his content.
He mentions Darwin, and that Darwin needed to be destroyed, but you don't have to destroy Darwin! Darwin himself said that while his observations are what built his theory, there was no proof of this Theory or that Evolution existed in the fossil record! Darwin himself said this!
could have easily listened for 3 hours
Interesting that Venus comes out of Zeus in the myth. Were they telling about the planet Venus coming out of Jupiter (Zeus)?
I'm 48 minutes into this hour-long video that offers an introduction to the ideas of Velikovsky. I need such an introduction, because I'm trying to discover and learn about his work. Have I been given an introduction to his ideas and/or his work?
No. I have not.
I'm 48 minutes into this video, and I still have no clue what Velikovsky's views were about anything. I'm not confident, at the rate he's going, that the next 15 minutes will produce a crash course on the advertised introduction to Velikovsky's ideas.
But I've learned a lot about the speaker and his views on everything from being a teacher and friend to a figure skater to his speculations on gravity and thoughts on Aristotle in addition to his contempt for the prudish nature of British culture and his disdain for their tea-time, cucumber sandwich snobbery... that with copious amounts of "isms" sprinkled between what amounts to nonsensical blather.
If I were to be given a pop-quiz on Velikovsky after this "introduction," I would fail if the questions were actually on Velikovsky's ideas.
How we humans dwell in our own insecurities and ambitions and project those to every bit of humankind culture there exists. The truth seekers however will always be there and by the grace of their inquisitiveness and integrity the truth shall prevail.
The infiltration of Commies and socialist Islamo-Nazis into the institutions of the West included the controlled directed science of radical secularism. There was a place to advance an agenda of cultural change. They hid behind the Greek definition of "science", the explanation of natural phenomena without resorting to supernatural causation.
Yet, after the Reformation into the Age of Reason (ended 1919 A.D.) Christians made most the advances in each field of science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, biology, geology, engineering, electronics, etc.!
Usually these advances are made by individuals working alone, sometimes attempting to understand previous authorities assertions contrasted to their actual observations.
We are in the Socialist Inquisition of Cosmological Dogma. Everything is a secret.
Filtered, at best.
REMEMBER BENGHAZI
Murderous Treason
must be appropriately punished.
Hang 'em All High in Public
For the Kids!
@vrolie 2020: No, All religions are not equal, the same, or valid!
Anyone who thinks so, must be an agnostic/athiest/democrap .
So what's your piont?
Mine is : Outlaw Islam. It is a rape and murder Sex & Death Cult.
I like the get out of jail remark. lol. Thankyou
Dave Williams
This is just a very dated rant against the British. Attacking Newton and Darwin, fine, but the extended nonsense about the English and English women ... what did all that have to do with the supposed topic.
an hr long presentation and you focus on that....
I totally agree with Dave. Listening to the progressive thoughts of what appears to be a genius for one hour only to be left off with dusty stereotypes and ugly notions of mysogyny and necrophilia IS quite agonizing! How can you not focus on that?
@@scherer321 If only he had said anything substantial in the remainder of his talk I may have forgiven him his schoolboy jokes. I'm not British so I have no axe to grind about the butt of his remarks, I was annoyed because I was more interested on the advertised topic of his talk and they were irritatingly irrelevant.
@Cindy Bronson This is typical of today, hiding behind ridiculous acronyms instead of expressing yourself clearly. Of course, it is common to name-call others for our own shortcomings. Well you've admitted what you are!
Idiot. This is not an attack against women. It's an attackt against LIES.
Kudos..!!..Great Speech..!!..😎
Human condition in a nutshell, roughly speaking
Is this guy working for the other EU ?
Good talk but less Britain bashing would be more appropriate.
Darwin and Newton were years ago. Especially the British women thing. Be nice nice.
Bravo!!
@49:41 Michael Shermer is Not a skeptic... he merely picks a position, and defends it, without even looking at any evidence that may support it, while accepting (and repeating) any evidence that disputes it, all without any due diligence on either side.
This is Not skepticism... it's debate. (and Shermer is a Master Debator)
love you guys, you are so right
unless you play cricket you would not have any conception of 'sledging' which is far from a warped understanding
of the English, likewise Rugby, perhaps read some D H lawrence to dispell the notion of English fridged womanhood,
tea from bone china? mmm I'm not sure I appreciate the rather childish stereotyping as a vallid tool of science!
Agreed; The attack on the Brits and Christianity is entirely unnecessary to convey the value of Velikovsky's ideas.
excellent presentation..the only blight being, that was of notice 2 mice elf, the cut off point of a performance at peak...;
yes!! he mentioned Bruno!!
Reminds me of a song from Billy Joel. He was singing names and names. Good song I find. Your list is better by the way, one name I did not know and I thank you for that. Where was Tesla though? Has the cultural shunning stopped at Velikovski?
I guess it will never stop, what about Halton Arp?
Until we permit ourselves to try to understand what we are, what are we doing here. The cycle of ignorance will continue.
Almost as fascinating as Velikovsky's theories is the reaction to him. The way the scientific community behaved was INSANE. Normally they just ignore heretics.
I love How dr. Wolfe is quoting George Carlin :) especially when talking Aristotle. :)
It seems to me that this would also apply to anyone who prays...
Implying that the person doing the praying is asking God to perform some tweaks, to correct the mistakes the person making the request perceives as a failure on God's part, to get it right the first time.
Velekofsky was right
The guy is an anti clerical, anti church preacher to a point of nausea. In fact, the Pope encouraged Copernicus that he should publish his work on the heliocentric model. And Bruno was not executed for his scientific views but for his heresy against the catholic doctrine. Whether it was good or bad is a separate story. However, professor Wolfe could refrain himself from spreading bullshit that fits his ideological viewpoint.
Bruno said multiple solar systems were possible, right?
As an Englishman, i never took offence. He was right.
One can make it thru anything: Upheavals, Collisions, Chaos (Theory) if one lays there and thinks of England!🇬🇧
@ Chris Brown As a fellow Englishman I agree. Dr. Wolfe, who has a bit of English history in his family tree, did these jokes to make things lively and I, as one who likes a good laugh, have already passed them off to good friends, who also have England in their history, and they laughed too.
that was utterly enjoyable!
Cricketers wear white so the ball (dark red) can be seen clearly. That's why, in the one day game where teams wear coloured uniforms, the ball they use is white.
A doctorate in drama? I didn't even know that was possible.
Prof Wolfe perhaps didn't come across the then available works on Ancient Indian Psychology. @gmybird
I laughed, but I hope you know this guy just took a dump on your credibility with those jokes. Not a great way to have velikovsky remembered.
after like 40 minutes I still don't know what velikovsky's ideas are, he told the story of how he was rejected but never said "he said this and that".
also, what does the "english people do blah blah and drink tea" story had to do with anything?.
this whole thing sounded to me like a confused guy that didn't thake his medications or something like that.
Yeah, this was a very shitty introduction, and his comparisons was cringy af.
Velikovsky is new to me. It seems that some of his theories fall in line with current research about past catastrophes caused by meteor impacts, etc. which supposedly caused the Great Flood and the demise of the dinosaurs. Very interesting and I like the side bar on British etiquette too!
As an Englishman, I quite like cucumber sandwiches!