How many times are you guys going to keep saying the CVT is driven with a rubber belt. The CVT is a planetary gearset and absolutely indestructible. Ive seen them with half a million miles no issues. Automatics with clutch systems have issues with reliability and overheating in stop start traffic.
I own a 2020 Touring and it has space for a spare tire so I guess the 2023 model also has that. And the E-CVT is just wonderful and nothing like a beltdriven CVT!
So many errors in this review. How did they pass this off and upload it? Rear suspension is double wishbone and not multi-link. Gearbox is not belt-driven cvt and is an E-CVT with planetary gears.
At 6.23 presenter suggests replacing eCVT with dual clutch transmission. It is shows amazing lack of understanding of how Toyota hybrid system works. eCVT is hart of system. If you replace it with dsg, it wouldn't be HSD any more
Not strictly true, since they could mount the same differentials and motors in a housing with a torque convertor transmission, but I understand what you're saying given the refusal of OSV to admit it isn't belt drive. Google WeberAuto eCVT chaps... please!
Not so much a refusal to admit than ignorance of the technology in use. Lazy journalism. Shame, because this presentation is otherwise comprehensive and really useful for someone looking for their next car.
Look there's no point in trying to tell people again, it will outrun any other car and still be going strong in 20 years time. Ford focus will be scrapped by then. I would get one but still running my old avensis
I've just had a ride in this car for an hour as a taxi journey because my car is loud to drive. I suffer from Hyperacusis so wanted a quiet journey, Unfortunately, it was not a comfortable ride for me, the car suffers from elevated levels of road noise and it was probably louder than my own car. The rest of the car is ok, but this is not a quiet cabin. The sound got up to 81db on an A road when I measured it, windows closed, no aircon on. Cabin insulation is quite poor, I could feel quite a lot of vibration though the floor. This problem is compounded by the UK government, who could make our roads smoother and more quiet by resurfacing with close knit material, (no cost difference) instead of this rough large cut bitumen you find everywhere, but apparently they did it to slow people down?? It didn't work, people drive the same, it just made life, living by roads and journeys more noisy.....
Road Sign Assist does not work reliably - known problem which Toyota can’t fix No electrical heater windscreen No auto locking doors after driving Hold switch has to set on every drive and only activates after 3 second brake or you drift forward DAB radio stations cannot be put in alphabetical order Radio and speakers do not have an upgrade option in UK. Basic speakers across range Hardly any storage in front cabin or boot
Reliability isn't the issue. As a driving experience, like all CVTs, it is a pile of sh1te, but Toyota refuse to accept that they are losing sales because of it. Perhaps it's because they sell enough cars to old folks so they figure they don't need to worry about it? Not my problem. It's my money and my choice.
@@HarryJamesBooks with the 2.0 the E-CVT’s traits aren’t as frustrating as before. More torque from the powertrain means it’s not working the engine as hard. You reap the benefits of no gearchanges and smoooth power delivery rather than jerky dual clutch gearboxes. I had 5 years with a DSG Golf R prior. . .
@@graemewhitehead6233 When they started avertising they'd "put a first gear into the CVT" (which is the change yuu are alluding to) I went and tried one and it's still crap. I'll wait until they've "put a 1st, 2nd and 3rd" gear in, it might be worthwhile. Other automatic gearboxes exist - the choice is not limited to dual-clutch - try a Mazda automatic for instance.
@@HarryJamesBooks the first gear in the CVT is on Toyotas american models, which do use a CVT gearbox. The UK Corolla is E-CVT only, and doesn’t have a first gear. I admit if you are used to revs going up and down with each gear the E-CVT is strange. The engine works at the level required for the rate of acceleration, rather than using revs & gears. When you drive ‘normally’ it’s much better than a normal gearbox - no clutches, no clunky gear changes, just smooth progress. When accelerating hard you do get that brief fixed tone of the engine which can be frustrating. On the motorway it cruises at 1,600rpm - so it’s a quiet & refined cruiser. You really have to understand how it works to get the best out of it. I get that most people just want familiarity and their perception of how a car should drive matches that of a typical car.
Nice car! I had a 2019. Was a great drive and efficiency was around 64mpgUK. One gripe I had was the engine would charge the battery when going up a hill 😢 Id take one of these facelifts any day over other hybrids. The only negative is the high BIK compared to ultra cheap EVs
In that segment, the Honda Civic E:Hev is a better all-round proposition in my opinion. That is, if you don't care about the 'Touring' format, and want better space at the back. But hey, having lived with estates and their advantages, I went for the Corolla 2.0L Touring. I just don't see the point of the hatchback though, too many compromises.
Why would toyota change a winning formula the hybrid system is the best available the dual clutch integrated motor system is overly complex and prone to expensive failure and wouldn't achieve the mpg of the synergy drive, once you get used to the synergy drive its an excellent system you soon adapt to a more pleasant pace of driving its driving style that needs to change not the hybrid system if you accelerate steadily but progressively and lift the accelerate pedal a while before you break gradually you can achieve epic mpg up to mid 80 and average about 70 mpg no other ice car can get anywhere near that
Please, learn yourself how Toyota Hybrid drive has been working for several decades now, before touching a Toyota again. Newer been like you think it is.
Shame you’re not as knowledgeable as you think you are. The Corolla has an e-CVT transmission not CVT. Negating the need for a far more complex, less reliable, far more expensive and jerkier dual clutch transmission.
Can see from the comments that this presenter got several facts wrong. And why does he have to speak like he’s reading from a specification sheet or a text book. Most unnatural.
Please please please give feedback to ‘Car & Driving’ that Toyota use an E-CVT which uses planetary gears & electric motors. NOT belts & cones CVT.
How many times are you guys going to keep saying the CVT is driven with a rubber belt.
The CVT is a planetary gearset and absolutely indestructible. Ive seen them with half a million miles no issues. Automatics with clutch systems have issues with reliability and overheating in stop start traffic.
The CVT in here is an eCVT with a planetary setup rather than a "rubber belt" as mentioned at 6:26, correct?
Belt driven?? Such a fundamental error deserving a short follow up video
Did you say belt rubber belt driven? You already said bigger motor
What else did you get wrong
No other channel is as comprehensive & pithy. Great review.
Many thanks for watching!
I own a 2020 Touring and it has space for a spare tire so I guess the 2023 model also has that. And the E-CVT is just wonderful and nothing like a beltdriven CVT!
So many errors in this review. How did they pass this off and upload it?
Rear suspension is double wishbone and not multi-link.
Gearbox is not belt-driven cvt and is an E-CVT with planetary gears.
At 6.23 presenter suggests replacing eCVT with dual clutch transmission. It is shows amazing lack of understanding of how Toyota hybrid system works. eCVT is hart of system. If you replace it with dsg, it wouldn't be HSD any more
Not strictly true, since they could mount the same differentials and motors in a housing with a torque convertor transmission, but I understand what you're saying given the refusal of OSV to admit it isn't belt drive.
Google WeberAuto eCVT chaps... please!
@@HarryJamesBooks prof Kelly is great. And don't quite catch that. You have parallel mg1 and mg 2 since p610, I think it would be impossible...
Not so much a refusal to admit than ignorance of the technology in use. Lazy journalism. Shame, because this presentation is otherwise comprehensive and really useful for someone looking for their next car.
Look there's no point in trying to tell people again, it will outrun any other car and still be going strong in 20 years time. Ford focus will be scrapped by then. I would get one but still running my old avensis
Belt driven, every time 😂😂😂
Yes, I do fancy an exel hybrid estate as next Car
I've just had a ride in this car for an hour as a taxi journey because my car is loud to drive. I suffer from Hyperacusis so wanted a quiet journey, Unfortunately, it was not a comfortable ride for me, the car suffers from elevated levels of road noise and it was probably louder than my own car. The rest of the car is ok, but this is not a quiet cabin. The sound got up to 81db on an A road when I measured it, windows closed, no aircon on. Cabin insulation is quite poor, I could feel quite a lot of vibration though the floor. This problem is compounded by the UK government, who could make our roads smoother and more quiet by resurfacing with close knit material, (no cost difference) instead of this rough large cut bitumen you find everywhere, but apparently they did it to slow people down?? It didn't work, people drive the same, it just made life, living by roads and journeys more noisy.....
This review contributed to my decision of ordering a Corolla, currently waiting on my max trim 2.0l hatchback!
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How do you like your corolla? I ordered my 2.0 today.
@@AL-to4ro I still have to wait a little over 4 more months 😅
@@Shercko oh wow, I ordered mine from a leasing company who had several in stock.
Thanks for highest quality review.
Road Sign Assist does not work reliably - known problem which Toyota can’t fix
No electrical heater windscreen
No auto locking doors after driving
Hold switch has to set on every drive and only activates after 3 second brake or you drift forward
DAB radio stations cannot be put in alphabetical order
Radio and speakers do not have an upgrade option in UK. Basic speakers across range
Hardly any storage in front cabin or boot
How many times? it's NOT a belt driven transmission. It's crap, but it's not belt-driven.
In terms of reliability it is the best transmission on market
Reliability isn't the issue.
As a driving experience, like all CVTs, it is a pile of sh1te, but Toyota refuse to accept that they are losing sales because of it. Perhaps it's because they sell enough cars to old folks so they figure they don't need to worry about it?
Not my problem. It's my money and my choice.
@@HarryJamesBooks with the 2.0 the E-CVT’s traits aren’t as frustrating as before. More torque from the powertrain means it’s not working the engine as hard. You reap the benefits of no gearchanges and smoooth power delivery rather than jerky dual clutch gearboxes. I had 5 years with a DSG Golf R prior. . .
@@graemewhitehead6233 When they started avertising they'd "put a first gear into the CVT" (which is the change yuu are alluding to) I went and tried one and it's still crap. I'll wait until they've "put a 1st, 2nd and 3rd" gear in, it might be worthwhile.
Other automatic gearboxes exist - the choice is not limited to dual-clutch - try a Mazda automatic for instance.
@@HarryJamesBooks the first gear in the CVT is on Toyotas american models, which do use a CVT gearbox. The UK Corolla is E-CVT only, and doesn’t have a first gear. I admit if you are used to revs going up and down with each gear the E-CVT is strange. The engine works at the level required for the rate of acceleration, rather than using revs & gears. When you drive ‘normally’ it’s much better than a normal gearbox - no clutches, no clunky gear changes, just smooth progress. When accelerating hard you do get that brief fixed tone of the engine which can be frustrating. On the motorway it cruises at 1,600rpm - so it’s a quiet & refined cruiser. You really have to understand how it works to get the best out of it. I get that most people just want familiarity and their perception of how a car should drive matches that of a typical car.
Why are you testing the GR version? That is not the standard 1.8!!!!
What's an ackzelarator ? 😊
Goes with the belt driven cvt😂
Aczelerator /
dezelerator
Nice car! I had a 2019. Was a great drive and efficiency was around 64mpgUK. One gripe I had was the engine would charge the battery when going up a hill 😢
Id take one of these facelifts any day over other hybrids.
The only negative is the high BIK compared to ultra cheap EVs
Nice, was the Auris also build in the UK?
Yes at burnaston
Got mine on 2 days ago. Love it
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Ask him, how does he like the rubber belt cvt!?@@OsvUkVehicleSupply
In that segment, the Honda Civic E:Hev is a better all-round proposition in my opinion. That is, if you don't care about the 'Touring' format, and want better space at the back. But hey, having lived with estates and their advantages, I went for the Corolla 2.0L Touring. I just don't see the point of the hatchback though, too many compromises.
much more expensive, at least in Europe
The Toyota cross you mention is t available in the UK unfortunately
Unfortunately Toyota said they won’t be offering the Corolla Cross in the UK.
Why would toyota change a winning formula the hybrid system is the best available the dual clutch integrated motor system is overly complex and prone to expensive failure and wouldn't achieve the mpg of the synergy drive, once you get used to the synergy drive its an excellent system you soon adapt to a more pleasant pace of driving its driving style that needs to change not the hybrid system if you accelerate steadily but progressively and lift the accelerate pedal a while before you break gradually you can achieve epic mpg up to mid 80 and average about 70 mpg no other ice car can get anywhere near that
Please, learn yourself how Toyota Hybrid drive has been working for several decades now, before touching a Toyota again. Newer been like you think it is.
Shame it doesn't have a transmission that permits comfortable overtaking.
Better than those 2 anyway
Shame you’re not as knowledgeable as you think you are. The Corolla has an e-CVT transmission not CVT. Negating the need for a far more complex, less reliable, far more expensive and jerkier dual clutch transmission.
brilliant video
Many thanks for watching!
After rubber belt got mentioned…..no point to watch any feather, what else can be made up about this corolla😮
I stopped watching when you said it was belt driven hybrid
Can see from the comments that this presenter got several facts wrong. And why does he have to speak like he’s reading from a specification sheet or a text book. Most unnatural.
Road noise horrendous in all Toyotas
I own 2023 2L GR and that’s simply untrue
@@Manc-fh5we you probably don’t go above 30mph
No it’s not.
Very noisy car can’t understand why Toyota can’t sort the noise level out it terrible on the motorway.
I drove it on the motorway and it was a quiet as a mouse.
Car & Driver - get a new presenter and your channel will do much better
All Toyotas from this generation are boring, and lack the quality.
I just sat in all Toyota cars.useless.
No spare wheel = no sale......