We saw several omen-like creatures in the chamber cinematic and it was theorized that they were made by sage due to Vipers line about Sage "failed her" . Both Omen and Iso are linked ro this expirement clearly so it can be theorized that the expirement was conducted on him by Viper in order to give him powers. Omen says "Expirement complete " when killing Viper which seems to imply she was the one who tried it. Vipers expirement may have to do with interdimensional travel if Iso's ult canonically creates a pocket dimension. It seems the expirement split Li Xhao into two parts- Iso, his real self and Omen, his dimensional "shadow"- quite literally "torn apart" as Omen says. When sage tried resurrecting him it failed because he was actually in another place already (maybe pocket dimension?)leaving him a shadow between dimensions given a twisted semblance of a body by sages power. This allows him to dissapear and reappear which has been confirmed to be how he teleports by Skye. His paranoia ability is his shadow of his former self, a fragment that he still remembers but doesn't quite know how to use so instead he uses his current powers in a similar way. The final similarity is that a while back (coincidentally when fracture was the new map) omen got a model update which people assumed was simply to look better but interestingly they gave him some blue lights and a sort of armor which oddly enough resembles Iso's style, I think to hint that Omen is just a shadow of Iso, brought to "life" by Sages powers which we already know are more than just healing. Props to anyone who read all this lol.
@@creeps946 if you time it correctly you can use Omen smokes to close important site entry points (such as split B site garage and haven C long) 3 times in a row. His paranoia is also a very effective way to hold enemy pushes and his tp is a great way to either wait for enemies to push on unexpected angles or to run back to safe places in site by teleporting away. His ult is also a great skill for defense, as it allows him to rotate quickly to help teamates, punish attackers for stacking at one entry point (such as split B garage) by teleporting to their spawn and crossfiring them as well as faking a teleport to get them to believe there is someone behind them and that the site is weaker. I might be wrong but I think all of this traits make him a really good defense agent, so u can say he is kind of a sentinel, but I'm probably just tripping.
Another cool thing to point out is that ISO could potentially be short for isomer, which is a compound that has the same chemical composition as another compound, but different structures. This plays very well into the ISO = Omen theory, considering ISO is human and Omen is shadow.
@@maximestormflower7171 It's not, Riot's writers are industry gods, they are very very good at what they do. It's called threadding; you leave as much loose, dangling threads as possible 1) to hype the community 2) to make plot twists and connections later on in the story.
@@aaronyoung1559 furthermore, every other agent is actually an octopus and it turns out that everyoen in the wrold that plays val is actually schizo not realizing that we have been playing as octopus characters with special abilities
One more thing that matches would be the fact that is hard for Omen to focus due to the fact that he hears so many things at the same time but he never specified that he hears voices or people, and Iso always listens to music (U can see he always wears the earpods, even in the ingame model) so it would kinda make sense for Iso to be Omen's past from this theory, assuming it was a failed ressurect attempt from Sage, causing memory loss and depending on where Omen got shot the impact could've caused a trauma that would mix with the music he was listening to, it also would make sense why Sage feels so bad about what happened to Omen and calls him his friend and considers him very close, She doesn't have that kind of relationship with any agent in the game, which would fit the profile of Omen being chinese
There's only one problem with that, at the end of the cinematic called "Shattered" there's a statue from four agents including Omen, and the map Pearl is on omega earth (while alpha earth also has Omen).
but what's the problem? both earths will have ISO anyway, this is prob something that has to do with time travel, rather than the problem between the 2 worlds, at the same time, Omen and ISO could just be the same person with different outcomes from the same experiment, like how there is a split personality, it could've been an experiment to clone who Omen was b4 but it ended badly, Omen being the broken shadow with no soul (prob being given a soul/life from sage) while Iso being the part of Omen that lives a *normal* life
I think Omen is all the Spirits of the Scientists combined that got ripped apart during the first light, that would explain the voicelines: "i'm hearing so many things" or "how many times did i get ripped apart". Its like the parts of the Scientists within him all talk at the same time or their memories cross over, which could be the reason he can't remember his past bc its too many different memories from different lives.
Possible, what we do know is that Omen before beibg ripped apart was a scientist, Iso is hunting all the scientists that were involved in the experiments with radianite
Which could mean he's getting a few in one Person if he killed Omen... But then the question is, who tells iso who to kill and what else do they know about omens past?
Those voicelines would also be explained by his past memories flooding his mind sometimes which he said does happen, and him being torn apart likely means when he teleports. Sage said that his teleportation is him ripping himself apart down to his very soul then reappearing which Skye also confirmed explaining that omens entire life force leaves when he teleports. Also he is just a walking mass of tattered shadows so he is probably being torn away inside while trying to hold himself together.
I'm not tracking Valo's Lore quite well but as an outsider looking in... It feels like the Lore part is not that yet big enough for a series.. Sure there are missing pieces and mysteries but as a coherent storyline? I'm not convinced yet... It's only my opinion.
I was gonna say maybe iso is omega version of omen. Maybe in the alpha universe iso had an accident and he turned into omen but in the omega universe nothing happened to iso. However, theres already a version of omen in both alpha and Omega universes so this theory is wrong. edit: the amount of people who didnt even read my comment and see that i already said that i know theres an alpha and omega omen is crazy
Viper was about to call Omen John not Zhao. John is one of 5 names Omen has been referred to and these names are implied to be from remnants of his memory's. The other names are Shin, Marcus, Yohan, Fred and Dimitri. I have had a theory for a while these names relate to people of omens past rather then himself but considering Viper (The only one who actually new omen before the "accident") called him John, John is probably his actual name well the others are figures from his past. TLDR I do not think Iso 'IS' Omen but he definitely has some sort of connection to him. Also, here is all the known Omen lore for those out of the loop: Omen was a normal human who scientist attempt to turn into a radiant via artificial means, but something in the experiment went wrong and he ended up "dyeing" although not completely. The experiment was partially a success and he remained as a sort of undead literal shadow of himself with barley any memory's of who he was and what happened to him. The only person who knows the whole truth is one of the scientist involved in the project and a close friend of Omen Sabine Callas call sing Viper. Different characters have called Omen different names. Viper has called him John, Fade called him Shin and I think Fred was something Cypher dug up (I don't remember who has called him by the other names just reading the list off the wiki)
!!! man this is so interesting 👀 i havent really looked at valo lore since the earlier days. very nice coming back to it now and seeing all these developments 😁
Viper called Omen Fred before Valorant updated it to Joh (which you can argue it is John), but Zhao is pronounced with a "J", so it can also be arguable. Now we know Omen was not a "normal" human, he was an assassin from the hourglass company just like ISO. The way the people in the ISO trailer express about him seems like the same way they were expressing about Omen. I'm not believing this theory too much but it I can see how it makes sense.
People (?) the "name thing" is already explained by Fade when she tried to blackmail Omen, Omen previous names was John, Fred, Marcus, Yohan and Dimitri. There is also the same voiceline of Viper saying "Fred--I mean, Omen." As Fade said, Omen maybe was already a "monster" before the first light: he was also a mercenary, it could be that they worked for the same person or Omen did something to ISO previous boss.
The theory of Iso being Omen doesn't make any sense to me, specially the audio of Viper calling Omen "Jo", it doesn't sound like Iso's name at all. People is now saying that in the trailer Iso looks like Omen for a second, all i can see is Iso being covered in purple light shields. Also the hourglass simbol doesn't seem to belong to Iso, it's probably the logo of an organization. In the last scene we see more hourglass simbols, which can confirm us it's the logo of an organization that knew Omen and wants to kill him now.
@@knownpretzel6938 Zhao sounds like "Jo"??? Mate you need to stop reading chinese names with american accent. And no, Viper mispronouncing his name is not a possibility, all their lines are correctly pronounced, even the names.
i started to look again at the trailer for iso and the guard says anyone connected to this research so maybe omen was on of them and his death was covered as an accident while in reality it was ISO
My theory is that Omen isn't a single person, and is some sort of entity brought to life. We've heard him referred to as multiple names, and he talks about hearing different voices.
I think its also supported by the fact that ISO's destablizing move that gives enemies the vulnerable effect works the same as omens Paranoia, having the same sort of shape and the ability to pass through walls.
In the Iso Official Music video, the title is Renegade, which means a person who deserts and betrays an organization. In the Iso Animated Trailer, he kills everyone who is connected to the research. As far as we know, Viper knows Omen in his human form, and Viper works as a scientist. Therefore, there is a high probability that Omen is also a researcher/scientist. So, what I'm saying is that Omen may have failed the catastrophe and become the shadowy monster we know, while from the other side, Iso, he may have prevented it and become a renegade.
Ah but you forget. According to Fade, Omen is a man of many names. Having many names implied that he had lived many lives and taken many identities before he became Omen. So it's less likely that he was a researcher or a scientist than he was objectively a spy.
I was thinking something similar to this but theres already two versions of omen in alpha and omega universe so it cant be true that one iso stayed the same and one turned into omen
@@visstonewalker I thought so too but lazy to check each Animated Videos of Valorant but iirc Omen rarely show up and if he do, only 1 side of the team, just don't know if its Alpha or Omega
He could be from where Kayo is from (future), where Omen could've been cured. Although, I still doubt the idea that they're the same person since the old members of Valorant protocol should've recognized him already or at least show a nostalgic interaction with him.
How Omen became how he is is also shrouded in mystery, the most plausible cause would the first light. So if we go with that then there would be no way the others would recognize him since they all joined the valorant protocol after the first light. (Unless it's Viper, since she seems to know a lot about Omen before he became the way he is).
kayo isn't just from the future but a completely different timeline, so what happens in the future from kayo's timeline, is different because it could not end up like kayo's timeline at all. In the future but in a different timeline, because in Kayo's timeline, Valorant didn't seem to be a thing neither was the whole alpha and omega worlds.
@@spookythebadplayer4832 Kayo's world is still about Humans vs Radiants. All the characters in the default world also exist and play same roles in Kayo's world. My point on signifying "future" is simply, the events happening there is something non-existant yet in the default world. Implying Omen there could've been someone different.
@@user-tv4ih2kq6r im just saying it's not just the future but an alternative timeline, iso could also be from a different timeline and not just the future. Iso could also just be someone from the past in either timeline. I'm not invalidating whatever you said, it's just the alternative timeline is an important aspect so what could happen doesn't mean actually will happen in this timeline.
@@spookythebadplayer4832 I know that Kayo's timeline is an alternate one. Nonetheless, the idea doesn't conflict to anything. In fact, the idea of him being in an alternate timeline would even be better proof to this case. Kayo didn't exist in prior timeline (default one), he only time travelled to get to the prior timeline. In this case, Iso and Omen could be the alternate existence of both timelines. Since, only Reyna and Brimstone (other than Kayo's) whereabouts in Kayo's timeline is disclosed.
00:43 in chinese culture they call peoples names through the last 2 of their full name so it might be possible that his name is infact zhao yu but its just a theory
Crazy theory, but i cant get over the fact, their voices are pretty different, which I'm sure wouldn't be that much of a deal breaker, but still. Maybe Iso is a relative... Who knows? Edit: Maybe due to the memory loss, omen forgot about his chinese language, accent and more. So it is still possible that they are the same. And he does have the similar paranoia ability, but i guess we'll have to wait and see...
There's only one problem with that, at the end of the cinematic called "Shattered" there's a statue from four agents including Omen, and the map Pearl is on omega earth (while alpha earth also has Omen).
Riot made a community post showing isos card and it says "such a pleasure to meet you Li Zhao Yu. Please do give us a call". What if the hourglass token is a card that some organization gave to iso and hes working as an assassin for them?
YO, when iso talks to omen in voice lines, he says the same thing the people said about him in his trailer. When he took a contract, people couldn’t escape or somthing
I think chamber is the person who iso communicate from the phone. Bcs in chmabers trailer we saw he practicing with omen statues. Plus, there is strangely no voice lines between omen and chamber.
There is one issue i have with this: the hourglass was handed to Iso by someone so it wasnt his. as you see in the community image from valorant the hourglass is being handed to Iso like a business card and the tag says "nice to meet you li zhou yu. you should give us a call." Iso and Omen might be connected but its likely that either: a) iso is the reason omen became fragmented, b) Iso and Omen were approached by a similar agency recruiting or studying their abilities of teleportation, or c) Iso is supposed to kill omen but the reflection shows that Iso knows about omens past in the hourglass organization.
One cool detail (maybe) Iso has a little pocket dimension and omen seems to almost have a little dimension of his own shown to be completely lifeless (you see it when placing smokes down).
Iso’s ult looks likes omens smoke world thing and also is Iso’s vulnerable is also like omens paranoia and also ISO stands for Im Secretly Omen in also Iso’s trailer in 1:13 he looked like omen Same color scheme as omen too edit : i say also too much
one of omens voice lines says "dont let the spike explode, radianite explosions are...... complicated." maybe meaning that his past maybe had something to do with radianite explosion
Well, it is interesting as well that ISO is the first agent in Valorant to have an ethnicity that is the same as another’s (sage). It’s known that sage and omens lore are heavily connected as well so I wonder if ISO is linked with Sages lore then. I think it’s significant that this is the first time an agent has the same ethnicity as another since riot are pretty adamant on giving us characters of different backgrounds.
true true but american isn't really an Ethnicity. Gekko is from L.A which makes him American but he is Mexican. He has the same ethnicity as Reyna but being born in L.A. gives him differential from Reyna who is Mexican AND from Mexico. Which yeah I guess i forgot about them to be honest lol but they're still quite different. Gekko is to Reyna what Canadiens* are to the French lol. The same but very different. ISO being Chinese is very interesting though, since I really do think there might be a significance to sage since there's a significance to Omen. Either way I enjoy the lore and the theories aha
I think, since it’s been theorized that the missing Agent 8 is ISO, this could explain why they scratched it off. Since iso and omen are split beings, this could explain why they scratched off and forgot about Agent 8. They most likely couldn’t work with both Omen and ISO together, or maybe iso got lost, or left because of the incident and the current omen stayed loyal. ISO and omen are the same person, but after their split, they probably gained different beliefs and ideas, leading to iso leaving because his consciousness is aware of how he split and doesn’t like the valorant team anymore. Omen however, stays loyal because it’s a shadow of his past self, and since his voice lines hint he doesn’t know about his origin, he probably has no recollection of the incident, which is why he stayed loyal. This is just a theory. Hopefully riot will capitalize on this lore opportunity to “somewhat” help the game in its dying my state
@@just.kybxrr Fade is looking for Agent 8. It is implied in the Cypher interrogation with her. When Cypher asked Fade how much she knew about Valorant she spilled everything she looked at "and the leave requests for every agent that bothers to file them." Meaning Agent 8 did not make a request to leave the Valorant Protocol, he is missing. I could be mistaken but why would she look through the leave requests if she weren't looking for "him"? Just wanted to put that out there.
well there is a high chance this happen if you just look at the skill set, iso ultimate tele him and oponent into a pocket dimension so probably omen ult is also iso ult but evolve into tele in real maps (and omen before go real map also stay in a pocket dimension form), the vulnerability straight up paranoid, wall skill now smoke but apply a bit more of that teleport theme of omen
Ah these voicelines really do come back into memory. I actually thought she called him "John" until Iso came out.... now this adds more into this lore....
Idk why but i have a hunch that the hourglass agent is the beta agent fracture its like a mirage ablity if iso is aliased to him then it will make A HUGE DISCOVERY
Also the agents' abilities are pretty similar, like- omen's smoke is kind of similar to iso's contingency i.e it gives cover (much more similar to other agents but still) omen's paranoia is very similar to iso's undercut (very similar to each other down to the way they travel) omen's shrouded step is kind of similar to iso's double tap i.e it gives an opportunity to get into a new position or get away and finally omen's ult is similar to iso's ult where it transports them to another place (see that where iso is force to return to his old position, omen is not forced) all of this is my opinion and it is a bad one but I feel that they are similar.
theory: omen/zhao used to work on the reseach zhao is protecting with viper until an accident occured that caused apart of him to split into 2. he kills anyone who is trying the same research because he beleives its too dangerous
When I first saw this, and yes I'm familiar with all the lore in VALORANT up to this point, I thought that Iso is a member of some sort of assassin's organization, because he was asked to carry out a hit on whoever those people were in the cinematic, and he got an order to kill Omen, who I'm sure was associated with this organization, whose symbol is the hourglass, in some way or another. This organization must have learnt about Omen's existence and his "new life" in the VALORANT protocol and decided that he was a loose end to tie up before he spilled anything of importance when his memory returned. I think I saw this in Brimstone's room in an email he received from Deadlock. I could be wrong about the source but I clearly remember seeing an email like this, in which Deadlock says that she found a new recruit (Iso) that is willing to work for the Protocol in exchange for protection from his employers. Considering Iso is said to be a hitman for hire that can take out entire squads by himself, it's quite interesting to note that he needs the protection of the Protocol by his side to be safe from his employers. 😳 I personally don't think it's possible that Iso is Omen because they both are radiants. It's kind of like eating a devil fruit or having a Stand. You can only have one specific set of powers and you cannot acquire more ones that are different from your own set. I mean Omen was initially a human but it's theorized that he was ripped apart completely during the First Light and Sage had to resurrect him but failed to do so completely because of how scattered and split apart every cell of his body was. I think Omen's real name is John though. In Fade's dossier about Omen I'm pretty sure Zhao or any other Chinese names weren't in the list. John was though. So even though this theory is interesting. I'm still not convinced that Iso is Omen.
Omen could be member of the "Hourglass" org and become a defect. That's why the org wants Omen dead cuz he knew something important about the org and also, Iso probably close to Omen when he's still in the org, that's why Iso looked sad in the phone reflection and he knew the time has come to finally kill his brother in hood.
i personaly think iso is the past or maybe the omega version of omen since omen have a memory about the hour glass just dont remember what it is and viper called almost omen zhao and in the trailer iso is kinda likea shadowy character with glowing eyes might be riot hinting at us something
yeah nah theories aside this just doesnt work We know the Viper voiceline says John, and it was later updated to say “Fred” (or vice versa) because those are in the list of names Fade found when trying to blackmail Valorant Protocol All the shadows and reflections, if they symbolise anything at all, are most likely their connection to eachother and the hourglass symbol
As we all know there is an episode named evolution were riot shows that there is parallel universe .... and the tp shown in sunset trailer .... i think when the tp was broken by deadlock , from there ISO returned to kingdom... ISO , a human form of OMEN
I think omen in an "Anomaly" in this universe because Riot introduced "Time Travel and Parallel world "in the story So think about it omen is a result of an experiment of space -time distortion causing him to be a "partially a singularity" and in SHATTERED // Episode 5: DIMENSION Cinematic , KILLJOY mentions about a "reality stabilizer " and in OMEN VOICE LINE "There is another of me. How many times did I get ripped apart? How many times did I die?"
wait wait wait. One of isos voicelines is "Omen, they say once you took a contract, their death is inescapable. Anyway, I'm glad we're friends." WHAT!! Could that mean omen was a bounty hunter like iso? is that why omen remembers the hourglass symbol? is that why they want omen killed? did they try to kill omen themselves but it failed so they tried to bring iso to finish the job off? and also: "Omen, everything they say about you is true" who is they? coworkers? the hourglass dude? And: "i know what that omen is capable of." maybe bcause he's you?! These voicelines with omen hint at so much...
I dont think Iso and Omen are linked in being the same person, but from different times, or being torn apart. I think they are linked because Iso had a hand it turning omen into what he is today.
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Also when a bullet Hits ISO he looks like omen at 1:13 ISO's official trailer
I just saw it. good find. Iso is Omen 100%
i was having doubts but this...
@@BaBythebestyoutuber000 he also has the same purple omen has
you can say he IS-Omen
that was the name of the folder I had the clues :P
We saw several omen-like creatures in the chamber cinematic and it was theorized that they were made by sage due to Vipers line about Sage "failed her" . Both Omen and Iso are linked ro this expirement clearly so it can be theorized that the expirement was conducted on him by Viper in order to give him powers. Omen says "Expirement complete " when killing Viper which seems to imply she was the one who tried it. Vipers expirement may have to do with interdimensional travel if Iso's ult canonically creates a pocket dimension. It seems the expirement split Li Xhao into two parts- Iso, his real self and Omen, his dimensional "shadow"- quite literally "torn apart" as Omen says. When sage tried resurrecting him it failed because he was actually in another place already (maybe pocket dimension?)leaving him a shadow between dimensions given a twisted semblance of a body by sages power. This allows him to dissapear and reappear which has been confirmed to be how he teleports by Skye. His paranoia ability is his shadow of his former self, a fragment that he still remembers but doesn't quite know how to use so instead he uses his current powers in a similar way. The final similarity is that a while back (coincidentally when fracture was the new map) omen got a model update which people assumed was simply to look better but interestingly they gave him some blue lights and a sort of armor which oddly enough resembles Iso's style, I think to hint that Omen is just a shadow of Iso, brought to "life" by Sages powers which we already know are more than just healing. Props to anyone who read all this lol.
Demn that is a crazy plot, now imagine if they put all of that in a movie!!!
That's actually make sense
Fr tho it seems very plausible to be true and fits into the story well. I call valid👌😎
*experiment
i read it all (:
My guess is that Omen was originally part of Iso but the incident caused him to fracture off into his own person
this makes me think of the omen voiceline when entering Split: "Split... they don't know the meaning of the word."
@@pokex1270 holy, that can be insane
So you can say viper likes iso and omen😏
idk maybe iso actually knows who omen is. if u look at 1:04 u can see he kinda sighs maybe they interacted b4
I guess also iso is a duelist while omen is controller wich are two opposites.
I'm calling it, Riot is gonna release an Omen for every role, for now we got Controller and Duelist Omen
i mean omen is like duelist controller now iso is iniator duelist
@@creeps946 if you time it correctly you can use Omen smokes to close important site entry points (such as split B site garage and haven C long) 3 times in a row. His paranoia is also a very effective way to hold enemy pushes and his tp is a great way to either wait for enemies to push on unexpected angles or to run back to safe places in site by teleporting away. His ult is also a great skill for defense, as it allows him to rotate quickly to help teamates, punish attackers for stacking at one entry point (such as split B garage) by teleporting to their spawn and crossfiring them as well as faking a teleport to get them to believe there is someone behind them and that the site is weaker. I might be wrong but I think all of this traits make him a really good defense agent, so u can say he is kind of a sentinel, but I'm probably just tripping.
omen is more sentinel than duelist bud @@creeps946
Another cool thing to point out is that ISO could potentially be short for isomer, which is a compound that has the same chemical composition as another compound, but different structures. This plays very well into the ISO = Omen theory, considering ISO is human and Omen is shadow.
I think that ISO is short for isolate, given his ultimate ability literally isolates him and another agent to a 1v1 dimension.
What if it's for both 👀
what a terrible far take lmao
@@maximestormflower7171 It's not, Riot's writers are industry gods, they are very very good at what they do. It's called threadding; you leave as much loose, dangling threads as possible 1) to hype the community 2) to make plot twists and connections later on in the story.
@@maximestormflower7171yeah you don't know how riot writes lore lmao
updated theory based off this: iso is actually omen, but he is still an octopus
therefor iso is also an octopus and riot is gonna ship humans and fish together...
@@aaronyoung1559 Seems like something Riot would do
@@aaronyoung1559 furthermore, every other agent is actually an octopus and it turns out that everyoen in the wrold that plays val is actually schizo not realizing that we have been playing as octopus characters with special abilities
One more thing that matches would be the fact that is hard for Omen to focus due to the fact that he hears so many things at the same time but he never specified that he hears voices or people, and Iso always listens to music (U can see he always wears the earpods, even in the ingame model) so it would kinda make sense for Iso to be Omen's past from this theory, assuming it was a failed ressurect attempt from Sage, causing memory loss and depending on where Omen got shot the impact could've caused a trauma that would mix with the music he was listening to, it also would make sense why Sage feels so bad about what happened to Omen and calls him his friend and considers him very close, She doesn't have that kind of relationship with any agent in the game, which would fit the profile of Omen being chinese
There's only one problem with that, at the end of the cinematic called "Shattered" there's a statue from four agents including Omen, and the map Pearl is on omega earth (while alpha earth also has Omen).
but what's the problem? both earths will have ISO anyway, this is prob something that has to do with time travel, rather than the problem between the 2 worlds, at the same time, Omen and ISO could just be the same person with different outcomes from the same experiment, like how there is a split personality, it could've been an experiment to clone who Omen was b4 but it ended badly, Omen being the broken shadow with no soul (prob being given a soul/life from sage) while Iso being the part of Omen that lives a *normal* life
@@wolfy0939 So if I'm right, you're saying that there are both Omen and his past self (Iso) on both alpha and omega earts?
I think Omen is all the Spirits of the Scientists combined that got ripped apart during the first light, that would explain the voicelines: "i'm hearing so many things" or "how many times did i get ripped apart". Its like the parts of the Scientists within him all talk at the same time or their memories cross over, which could be the reason he can't remember his past bc its too many different memories from different lives.
Possible, what we do know is that Omen before beibg ripped apart was a scientist, Iso is hunting all the scientists that were involved in the experiments with radianite
Which could mean he's getting a few in one Person if he killed Omen...
But then the question is, who tells iso who to kill and what else do they know about omens past?
Those voicelines would also be explained by his past memories flooding his mind sometimes which he said does happen, and him being torn apart likely means when he teleports. Sage said that his teleportation is him ripping himself apart down to his very soul then reappearing which Skye also confirmed explaining that omens entire life force leaves when he teleports. Also he is just a walking mass of tattered shadows so he is probably being torn away inside while trying to hold himself together.
Considering both has a lot of similar abilities, imagining Omen and Iso as the same character isn't too farfetched.
His fragile effect move does have the exact same range and hit box as omens blind
OH MY GOD THE *LORE* , this is a pretty good theory (still a theory)
Aside from the blind and fragile what other abilities do they have in common?
@@LOCALTAHOENJOYERnone.
@@soysauce6774 exactly
Riot need a series ASAP
Riot is making a Valorant film soon.
Not true at all@@justNixthings
@@vx1p3r they are? wtf are you saying
Idk but we all need a film sooner than later
I'm not tracking Valo's Lore quite well but as an outsider looking in... It feels like the Lore part is not that yet big enough for a series.. Sure there are missing pieces and mysteries but as a coherent storyline? I'm not convinced yet... It's only my opinion.
I was gonna say maybe iso is omega version of omen. Maybe in the alpha universe iso had an accident and he turned into omen but in the omega universe nothing happened to iso. However, theres already a version of omen in both alpha and Omega universes so this theory is wrong.
edit: the amount of people who didnt even read my comment and see that i already said that i know theres an alpha and omega omen is crazy
shut up
Lol we have the same pfp 😊
Also yk how kay/o is from the future
Well it could be from the past
@@mxdicineYT yea we got same pfp lol. Also Kayo is from future
Viper was about to call Omen John not Zhao. John is one of 5 names Omen has been referred to and these names are implied to be from remnants of his memory's. The other names are Shin, Marcus, Yohan, Fred and Dimitri. I have had a theory for a while these names relate to people of omens past rather then himself but considering Viper (The only one who actually new omen before the "accident") called him John, John is probably his actual name well the others are figures from his past. TLDR I do not think Iso 'IS' Omen but he definitely has some sort of connection to him.
Also, here is all the known Omen lore for those out of the loop: Omen was a normal human who scientist attempt to turn into a radiant via artificial means, but something in the experiment went wrong and he ended up "dyeing" although not completely. The experiment was partially a success and he remained as a sort of undead literal shadow of himself with barley any memory's of who he was and what happened to him. The only person who knows the whole truth is one of the scientist involved in the project and a close friend of Omen Sabine Callas call sing Viper. Different characters have called Omen different names. Viper has called him John, Fade called him Shin and I think Fred was something Cypher dug up (I don't remember who has called him by the other names just reading the list off the wiki)
!!! man this is so interesting 👀 i havent really looked at valo lore since the earlier days. very nice coming back to it now and seeing all these developments 😁
this did not aged well
@@hexterzerda clownery whaha
Viper called Omen Fred before Valorant updated it to Joh (which you can argue it is John), but Zhao is pronounced with a "J", so it can also be arguable. Now we know Omen was not a "normal" human, he was an assassin from the hourglass company just like ISO. The way the people in the ISO trailer express about him seems like the same way they were expressing about Omen. I'm not believing this theory too much but it I can see how it makes sense.
@@tomodacho. why is zhao J💀
People (?) the "name thing" is already explained by Fade when she tried to blackmail Omen, Omen previous names was John, Fred, Marcus, Yohan and Dimitri. There is also the same voiceline of Viper saying "Fred--I mean, Omen."
As Fade said, Omen maybe was already a "monster" before the first light: he was also a mercenary, it could be that they worked for the same person or Omen did something to ISO previous boss.
I think that the "event" created several fragments of omen, perhaps that's why fade gave several other names
The theory of Iso being Omen doesn't make any sense to me, specially the audio of Viper calling Omen "Jo", it doesn't sound like Iso's name at all. People is now saying that in the trailer Iso looks like Omen for a second, all i can see is Iso being covered in purple light shields. Also the hourglass simbol doesn't seem to belong to Iso, it's probably the logo of an organization. In the last scene we see more hourglass simbols, which can confirm us it's the logo of an organization that knew Omen and wants to kill him now.
@@victor9939 She could be saying Zhao which is his name
@@knownpretzel6938 jo and zhao are DRASTICALLY different in pronunciation, even if you say it the American way.
@@knownpretzel6938 Zhao sounds like "Jo"??? Mate you need to stop reading chinese names with american accent. And no, Viper mispronouncing his name is not a possibility, all their lines are correctly pronounced, even the names.
My theory: Omen's past self was killed by ISO and now he is back to finish the job since Omen was revived unsuccesfully
nah, I mean if someone dies, cant be a shadow monster :o Bc dont have shadow anymore XD Maybe hee's ISO's shadow... or something ._.
Omen died bcs of experiment
I was thinking the same but i cant remeber how he died, i think it was a laboratory incident maybe...
i started to look again at the trailer for iso and the guard says anyone connected to this research so maybe omen was on of them and his death was covered as an accident while in reality it was ISO
Ya'll really need a series like Arcane. I bet it'd do so well
My theory is that Omen isn't a single person, and is some sort of entity brought to life. We've heard him referred to as multiple names, and he talks about hearing different voices.
I think its also supported by the fact that ISO's destablizing move that gives enemies the vulnerable effect works the same as omens Paranoia, having the same sort of shape and the ability to pass through walls.
In the Iso Official Music video, the title is Renegade, which means a person who deserts and betrays an organization. In the Iso Animated Trailer, he kills everyone who is connected to the research. As far as we know, Viper knows Omen in his human form, and Viper works as a scientist. Therefore, there is a high probability that Omen is also a researcher/scientist. So, what I'm saying is that Omen may have failed the catastrophe and become the shadowy monster we know, while from the other side, Iso, he may have prevented it and become a renegade.
Ah but you forget. According to Fade, Omen is a man of many names. Having many names implied that he had lived many lives and taken many identities before he became Omen. So it's less likely that he was a researcher or a scientist than he was objectively a spy.
I was thinking something similar to this but theres already two versions of omen in alpha and omega universe so it cant be true that one iso stayed the same and one turned into omen
@@NovaaTheGreat isnt omen only in one version? i thought it was like that
@@visstonewalker I thought so too but lazy to check each Animated Videos of Valorant but iirc Omen rarely show up and if he do, only 1 side of the team, just don't know if its Alpha or Omega
@@jamazzlehe appeared one time in omega earth and none in alpha iirc.
He could be from where Kayo is from (future), where Omen could've been cured.
Although, I still doubt the idea that they're the same person since the old members of Valorant protocol should've recognized him already or at least show a nostalgic interaction with him.
How Omen became how he is is also shrouded in mystery, the most plausible cause would the first light. So if we go with that then there would be no way the others would recognize him since they all joined the valorant protocol after the first light. (Unless it's Viper, since she seems to know a lot about Omen before he became the way he is).
kayo isn't just from the future but a completely different timeline, so what happens in the future from kayo's timeline, is different because it could not end up like kayo's timeline at all.
In the future but in a different timeline, because in Kayo's timeline, Valorant didn't seem to be a thing neither was the whole alpha and omega worlds.
@@spookythebadplayer4832 Kayo's world is still about Humans vs Radiants. All the characters in the default world also exist and play same roles in Kayo's world. My point on signifying "future" is simply, the events happening there is something non-existant yet in the default world. Implying Omen there could've been someone different.
@@user-tv4ih2kq6r im just saying it's not just the future but an alternative timeline, iso could also be from a different timeline and not just the future. Iso could also just be someone from the past in either timeline. I'm not invalidating whatever you said, it's just the alternative timeline is an important aspect so what could happen doesn't mean actually will happen in this timeline.
@@spookythebadplayer4832 I know that Kayo's timeline is an alternate one. Nonetheless, the idea doesn't conflict to anything.
In fact, the idea of him being in an alternate timeline would even be better proof to this case.
Kayo didn't exist in prior timeline (default one), he only time travelled to get to the prior timeline. In this case, Iso and Omen could be the alternate existence of both timelines. Since, only Reyna and Brimstone (other than Kayo's) whereabouts in Kayo's timeline is disclosed.
Also ISO'S Q ability is similar to omen's blind
Cypher knows omens past, cypher was trying to recruit iso, kayo is from a different timeline and good storytelling has good foreshadowing
And if you remember the REVELATIONS trailer, Omen was shown helping Sage using a sheriff, the same weapon that ISO used in his trailer
This is a good point, omen usually never uses his abilities in the lore as well since it rips him apart, but he does that much for sage?
woahhh
Bro the voicelines between Omen and Iso will be soooo important for these theories here
This makes sense and it would be a mindblowing plot twist. Nice video!
I'm excited to see the voicelines they'll have together when Iso gets released
They have no interesting or lore voicelines
yet... riot keeps updating the voicelines of agent@@TopHat_
00:43 in chinese culture they call peoples names through the last 2 of their full name so it might be possible that his name is infact zhao yu but its just a theory
Crazy theory, but i cant get over the fact, their voices are pretty different, which I'm sure wouldn't be that much of a deal breaker, but still. Maybe Iso is a relative... Who knows?
Edit: Maybe due to the memory loss, omen forgot about his chinese language, accent and more. So it is still possible that they are the same. And he does have the similar paranoia ability, but i guess we'll have to wait and see...
One thing of course is the fact that omen is a literal shadow
Omen is not a human being, so maybe he can even change the voice how he like
It's not possible, it's just a theory. We can find enough proof in the trailer and in-game to know they are not the same.
There's only one problem with that, at the end of the cinematic called "Shattered" there's a statue from four agents including Omen, and the map Pearl is on omega earth (while alpha earth also has Omen).
Wow this is the first time ive seen that viper voice line. Im now 100% on board with this theory.
damn bro 🔥
cant wait to hear their connection in game via voice lines
Riot made a community post showing isos card and it says "such a pleasure to meet you Li Zhao Yu. Please do give us a call". What if the hourglass token is a card that some organization gave to iso and hes working as an assassin for them?
….we know he’s a hitman.
that's not new news lol, that's the main message they were sending. so no secrets there LOL
@@CrustyJunior i just said an interpretation of the post
"Split... they don't know the meaning of the word." I got feelings that this speech has something to do with it
And ISO in camera is a value that controls the amount of light your camera lets in, if Omen is related to shadow. 👀
YO, when iso talks to omen in voice lines, he says the same thing the people said about him in his trailer. When he took a contract, people couldn’t escape or somthing
thats SO EPIC. WOW
THE HYPE WITH THE MUSIC JUST MADE THIS VIDEO 10 TIMES BETTER
I think chamber is the person who iso communicate from the phone. Bcs in chmabers trailer we saw he practicing with omen statues. Plus, there is strangely no voice lines between omen and chamber.
There is one issue i have with this: the hourglass was handed to Iso by someone so it wasnt his. as you see in the community image from valorant the hourglass is being handed to Iso like a business card and the tag says "nice to meet you li zhou yu. you should give us a call." Iso and Omen might be connected but its likely that either: a) iso is the reason omen became fragmented, b) Iso and Omen were approached by a similar agency recruiting or studying their abilities of teleportation, or c) Iso is supposed to kill omen but the reflection shows that Iso knows about omens past in the hourglass organization.
Exactly! I doubt that they're the same as well
viper really just knows so much stuff
One cool detail (maybe) Iso has a little pocket dimension and omen seems to almost have a little dimension of his own shown to be completely lifeless (you see it when placing smokes down).
Iso’s ult looks likes omens smoke world thing and also is Iso’s vulnerable is also like omens paranoia and also ISO stands for Im Secretly Omen in also Iso’s trailer in 1:13 he looked like omen
Same color scheme as omen too
edit : i say also too much
trust me bro
Yeah and iso also talks like omen... they literally the same
broo i love this theory about iso and omen
Then there is the ability of paranoia which is similar and their ults teleporting is also similar.
one of omens voice lines says "dont let the spike explode, radianite explosions are...... complicated." maybe meaning that his past maybe had something to do with radianite explosion
Well, it is interesting as well that ISO is the first agent in Valorant to have an ethnicity that is the same as another’s (sage). It’s known that sage and omens lore are heavily connected as well so I wonder if ISO is linked with Sages lore then. I think it’s significant that this is the first time an agent has the same ethnicity as another since riot are pretty adamant on giving us characters of different backgrounds.
Well, there are two Americans already (Viper, Brimstone)
@@ARClegendand Gekko
true true but american isn't really an Ethnicity. Gekko is from L.A which makes him American but he is Mexican. He has the same ethnicity as Reyna but being born in L.A. gives him differential from Reyna who is Mexican AND from Mexico. Which yeah I guess i forgot about them to be honest lol but they're still quite different. Gekko is to Reyna what Canadiens* are to the French lol. The same but very different. ISO being Chinese is very interesting though, since I really do think there might be a significance to sage since there's a significance to Omen. Either way I enjoy the lore and the theories aha
@@ARClegendamerican isn’t an ethnicity. it’s a nationality
thats some cinematic storytelling if ive ever seen it
I think, since it’s been theorized that the missing Agent 8 is ISO, this could explain why they scratched it off. Since iso and omen are split beings, this could explain why they scratched off and forgot about Agent 8. They most likely couldn’t work with both Omen and ISO together, or maybe iso got lost, or left because of the incident and the current omen stayed loyal. ISO and omen are the same person, but after their split, they probably gained different beliefs and ideas, leading to iso leaving because his consciousness is aware of how he split and doesn’t like the valorant team anymore. Omen however, stays loyal because it’s a shadow of his past self, and since his voice lines hint he doesn’t know about his origin, he probably has no recollection of the incident, which is why he stayed loyal. This is just a theory. Hopefully riot will capitalize on this lore opportunity to “somewhat” help the game in its dying my state
But Iso is agent 24
@@sleepfeelssogood it’s theorized that he’s agent 8
@@just.kybxrr Fade is looking for Agent 8. It is implied in the Cypher interrogation with her. When Cypher asked Fade how much she knew about Valorant she spilled everything she looked at "and the leave requests for every agent that bothers to file them." Meaning Agent 8 did not make a request to leave the Valorant Protocol, he is missing. I could be mistaken but why would she look through the leave requests if she weren't looking for "him"? Just wanted to put that out there.
wow man
nice theory
we will find out soon enough.
best foreshadowing
iso might just be the reason omen is the way he is
well there is a high chance this happen if you just look at the skill set, iso ultimate tele him and oponent into a pocket dimension so probably omen ult is also iso ult but evolve into tele in real maps (and omen before go real map also stay in a pocket dimension form), the vulnerability straight up paranoid, wall skill now smoke but apply a bit more of that teleport theme of omen
No wonder viper is simping on him
all i know is omen is a octopus and thats it for me
edit: the thing that bothers me is that omen is how will omen and iso react seeing each other
"There is... another of me?"
Ah these voicelines really do come back into memory. I actually thought she called him "John" until Iso came out.... now this adds more into this lore....
Idk why but i have a hunch that the hourglass agent is the beta agent fracture its like a mirage ablity if iso is aliased to him then it will make A HUGE DISCOVERY
Also the agents' abilities are pretty similar, like-
omen's smoke is kind of similar to iso's contingency i.e it gives cover (much more similar to other agents but still)
omen's paranoia is very similar to iso's undercut (very similar to each other down to the way they travel)
omen's shrouded step is kind of similar to iso's double tap i.e it gives an opportunity to get into a new position or get away
and finally omen's ult is similar to iso's ult where it transports them to another place (see that where iso is force to return to his old position, omen is not forced)
all of this is my opinion and it is a bad one but I feel that they are similar.
@@kidhipsterx9492thanks and yeah my idea was far fetched :D
Nice Video
bro got me asking reality my existance
It's Secretly Omen. AHAHAHHAHAHA even the name reveals a little if you think about it
I = Is
S = Secretly
O = Omen
isomen
also, the map does the wavy black smoke ghost thing from omen's ult when iso uses his ult,
Bro i am dying to hear interactions between these two
ISO ultimate looks like omens teleport because when he is in his domain expansion the mark he leaves looks like omens.
theory: omen/zhao used to work on the reseach zhao is protecting with viper until an accident occured that caused apart of him to split into 2. he kills anyone who is trying the same research because he beleives its too dangerous
Thats my Owen overthere!!
when he looks at the phone the folders have hourglass symbols on them and at the top there is one too
If you match the ability then they both have their ultimate in another dimensions
Omen could potentially just be ISO's shadow trying to reflect his image
If Iso and Omen is one person split into two
I just wonder how rito gonna explains the timeline cause it gonna fuck all the timeline up completely
This is on par to the Zed is Nocturne meme I remember years ago now.
This would be a crazy plot
When you think about it Omen and ISO have very similar abilities too. Omens paranoia and ISO's Contigency is very similar no?
this music needs to be in the game
We never saw two universes’ omen on screen at the same time. Maybe ISO is just omen but a success
i refuse to believe omen used to be a chinese eboy looking assasin drinking boba teas
😂
he looks like a normal chinese/hong kong uncle tbh. y’all are just chronically online
Valorant lore is so interesting. If there was even a book narrated by riot I’d read it😭
When iso dies in DOMAIN EXPANSION, he turned into omen
Well it does call out the way they have a similar looking ability
When’s movie or a series coming out?
plot twist oman is iso twin
Viper probably know something of omen past just not telling him
i used to think that iso might be the child of omen
When I first saw this, and yes I'm familiar with all the lore in VALORANT up to this point, I thought that Iso is a member of some sort of assassin's organization, because he was asked to carry out a hit on whoever those people were in the cinematic, and he got an order to kill Omen, who I'm sure was associated with this organization, whose symbol is the hourglass, in some way or another. This organization must have learnt about Omen's existence and his "new life" in the VALORANT protocol and decided that he was a loose end to tie up before he spilled anything of importance when his memory returned.
I think I saw this in Brimstone's room in an email he received from Deadlock. I could be wrong about the source but I clearly remember seeing an email like this, in which Deadlock says that she found a new recruit (Iso) that is willing to work for the Protocol in exchange for protection from his employers. Considering Iso is said to be a hitman for hire that can take out entire squads by himself, it's quite interesting to note that he needs the protection of the Protocol by his side to be safe from his employers. 😳
I personally don't think it's possible that Iso is Omen because they both are radiants. It's kind of like eating a devil fruit or having a Stand. You can only have one specific set of powers and you cannot acquire more ones that are different from your own set. I mean Omen was initially a human but it's theorized that he was ripped apart completely during the First Light and Sage had to resurrect him but failed to do so completely because of how scattered and split apart every cell of his body was. I think Omen's real name is John though. In Fade's dossier about Omen I'm pretty sure Zhao or any other Chinese names weren't in the list. John was though. So even though this theory is interesting. I'm still not convinced that Iso is Omen.
Iso'nun işverenlerinden korunma talep etmesi ilginç değil mi?Çok güçlü bir seri katil gibi duruyor oysa
Omen could be member of the "Hourglass" org and become a defect. That's why the org wants Omen dead cuz he knew something important about the org and also, Iso probably close to Omen when he's still in the org, that's why Iso looked sad in the phone reflection and he knew the time has come to finally kill his brother in hood.
i personaly think iso is the past or maybe the omega version of omen since omen have a memory about the hour glass just dont remember what it is and viper called almost omen zhao and in the trailer iso is kinda likea shadowy character with glowing eyes might be riot hinting at us something
yeah nah theories aside this just doesnt work
We know the Viper voiceline says John, and it was later updated to say “Fred” (or vice versa) because those are in the list of names Fade found when trying to blackmail Valorant Protocol
All the shadows and reflections, if they symbolise anything at all, are most likely their connection to eachother and the hourglass symbol
When the lore gets deeper...
YOOOOOO
As we all know there is an episode named evolution were riot shows that there is parallel universe .... and the tp shown in sunset trailer .... i think when the tp was broken by deadlock , from there ISO returned to kingdom... ISO , a human form of OMEN
ISO : Is Secretly Omen (?) dun dun dunnnnn
I think maybe in the voice line that omen didn't hear viper because he didn't use the hearing aid the things that Iso wear is his ears
I think omen in an "Anomaly" in this universe because Riot introduced "Time Travel and Parallel world "in the story So think about it omen is a result of an experiment of space -time distortion causing him to be a "partially a singularity" and in SHATTERED // Episode 5: DIMENSION Cinematic , KILLJOY mentions about a "reality stabilizer " and in OMEN VOICE LINE
"There is another of me. How many times did I get ripped apart? How many times did I die?"
the fact that almost everyone knows about omens past but are too afraid of him and what he could potentionally do
its crazy knowing they have 1 similiar skill, if iso is past omen, how he can live in the same timeline as omen.
I mean Kay/O is also from the future so we know that it's possible. And also who knows if he's not from the parallel universe?
wait wait wait. One of isos voicelines is "Omen, they say once you took a contract, their death is inescapable. Anyway, I'm glad we're friends." WHAT!! Could that mean omen was a bounty hunter like iso? is that why omen remembers the hourglass symbol? is that why they want omen killed? did they try to kill omen themselves but it failed so they tried to bring iso to finish the job off? and also: "Omen, everything they say about you is true" who is they? coworkers? the hourglass dude? And: "i know what that omen is capable of." maybe bcause he's you?! These voicelines with omen hint at so much...
As an omen main, i like omen 👍👍
So bro casually changes race 😂
I dont think Iso and Omen are linked in being the same person, but from different times, or being torn apart. I think they are linked because Iso had a hand it turning omen into what he is today.
This is supported by the look of iso’s face when being shown his next target
Waiting for agent lines between omen and iso
Interesting 🤔