I'm not a drummer and I've recently tried programming drums for a metal track for school. I already had the basics like velocity changes, velocity layering for my kits and "humanizing" the performance. That HH pedal tip hadn't even occurred to me. Good shit!
Great tips! As a drummer, I couldn't help but laugh at the examples of bad drum programming that would be impossible to play on real drums. One of my friends is a guitarist who has very strange programmed drums on his project, and I suspect it's because he doesn't play. Despite that, I still enjoyed it because it was refreshing to listen to. I think it's totally fine to create "impossible" drum programming as long as the goal isn't to play identical in a live setting. We wouldn't be here without the ones who weren't afraid to experiment!
You’re the most amazing man ever. The explanation is on point and I understand every single detail. I crack up when u said “i will pulling my hair, if i had hair” 😂😂😂
you know i always thought about the dominant hand and changed velocity according to that but never the dominant LEG, thanks allot man, this really helps considering my blasts are the thing that sound the "fake'st"
It's kinda funny how we'll edit live drums to be tighter, but then we do everything possible to get programmed drums to not be as tight to sound more realistic. :D Hahaha
Superb video Scott. Don't let the 'Metal' in the title put you off people (I love Metal like a tooth loves drills....) These tips are applicable to ANY type of drum programming. One really neat piece of drum software that will obey the 'four limbs only' rule, prevent 'crossing of arms' orchestrations and also diminish the virtual drummer's power during a busy fill is Jamstix by Rayzoon.
Some absolutely great advice on this! Learned a lot. Only other tip I'd give is specific to blast beats. When doing them, lower the velocity of the snare drum compared to the snare during the other, slower parts. I'm not a drummer by any means, but as far as I know, the technique used to hit a snare drum that fast during blast beats generally means the drummer will not be able to hit the snare as hard as during 'regular' drumming. It will also just sound way better. :)
Cool. I've been a guitar player for 20 years and am just now getting into recording my own stuff for real. I got a laptop, an interface, and i downloaded cakewalk. Trying to learn on it. Some things are very frustrating such as the timing stuff and figuring out how to make things sound better. Thank God for videos like this! Cheers!
Doing ride blast beats I always love to randomly add the ridebell in every now and then. I learned that technique from infant annihilators "blasphemian". It sounds so much better. The kick thing you mentioned is really cool too, never thought of that.
Awesome vid Scott, every piece of info was useful. My main takeaways was using the different hi hat articulations and the slight shifting of the kit pieces being hit at the same time for more realism. Never actually tried that but hearing a real-time example shows exactly why it makes sense. I don’t tend to program fills from scratch as I tend to go with the fills in the drum library expansions of ez drummer2. A lot of the time the velocity/articulations are already done. However I always tried to look at it from the realistic point of view in the tempo of the fill. When I select a fill I always ensure it’s pre determined tempo in the library is as close to the songs tempo as possible. The logic for me seems to stem from “could a drummer do this in real time?”. Only issues I ever run into using ezdrummer2 is that some times the cymbals of some the predetermined beats/fills aren’t very loud and don’t cut through the mix as much even when the velocities are maxed. I definitely want to avoid stacking cymbals in the editor for the sake of their individual volume. Given the only control in ezdrummer2 for the cymbals is the overhead mics, I’m not overly sure if I want to push them too hard given some possible bleed from the overall kit creeping in. (Unless I’m looking at it wrong). Maybe perfect drums might be a better solution, if I’m not mistaken isn’t there independent volume control for the cymbals in its onboard mixer? Again, great video Scott, thanks heaps 👍
Ha! Just told you I don't make metal with my DAW but I really enjoyed watching this. Some of the tips you mention here also apply to normal instruments too, slight offsets and velocity changes etc., so it drew me in. Great tutorial as always Scott. Stay Heavy!!!
Thanks a lot my dude, doing this kind of .midi mapping in FL Studio is just a nightmare in order to sound human, I shared your video with a friend of mine who is also getting into programing drums, super super helpful stuff!
Thank you for this, it was very useful, I was struggling to work out why my drums sounded awful. I am a singer and had little awareness of drummers and their human limitations! Haha! Thank you!
Hey brother hope you’re doing well with starting over from Ukraine. One thing I would say with velocity editing, esp in extreme metal; bands live trigger the bass drum So when I’m programming the only thing that is max and no velocity changes are the kick drum If the band ( my band does ) use triggers *
this is an old video and you probably don't really do this stuff anymore, but randomizing the kick velocity is kind of weird because when you trigger your kicks in a live situation, it doesn't have uneven velocity, you want it to sound like a machine gun actually.
been starting some music making, but the thing is i kind of play drums. so instead i'm just translating this to guitar to make sure it sounds believable instead of an obvious piano with a soundfont.
can you give me any insight on how to assign a second kick drum on a midi? it seems i can only assign a kick drum to 1 key. it leaves me baffled as i am new to this. am i really supposed to use 1 key for both kicks?
27:46 Ty for this. My colleagues laughed at me when I told them that wizards are real. But I see that you can recognize true wizards too, such as Master Mangini. Well, guess what good sir. You're a wizard too. EZ fucking sub of my life. I clicked both like and subscribe flam style 🍕
I want to be a skater and a drummer, and I have a disability. My left side of my body is smaller than my right, but this doesn't really feel like I prevail one of my dream. I can't stand up on Damn stake broads! 😞😢
awesome if you could do a video on how to put good midi metal vst through cakewalk realtime using aero drums that would be sweet! also using an irig hd2 for guitar and singing and trying to run good metal vst I wonder if you have any tips on that
Hey man, I've never used Aero Drums before so I can't help you there. The iRig thingy... as long as you can get good recording latency into Cakewalk it shouldn't be an issue! Lots of tips about guitar tones... don't know where to start :D
Yes, sure, but how many drummers in your local area have the capabilities or talent to do that? Just because I see Buddy Rich doing amazing things on the drum kit doesn't mean I should program stuff like that. Program your drums in a way where you at least have a fighting chance of finding somebody that could play the parts.
hi scott ., in metal genre i should put a velocity betwin120 to 127 on all drums ? instead of cymbals? couse in the mix when i add a gate and comp. low velocity sounds not good and low.
If that is what sounds good with your drum samples, then go for it. Although I don't see a reason to add a gate to programmed drums. If you're using them on toms, export all the tracks into audio stems and then manually splice the toms and stuff. Works way better than gates!
Does anyone knows how to set up double kick??? i tried following everything on the video, but i am still stuck with only 1 kick drum....... on the piano roll i see the second kcik button... buty how do i make it sound? please help i am a total recording nooooob
Love the video. Only gripe is the drummers don’t do triples with their feet. I know plenty of drummers who do doubles over triples fills not that strange. Look to ruin by lamb of god for an example.
Hey Scott, great video. I just started learning midi drums and having a hard time having the guitars and drums timed together. I recorded the guitars along with a click track, but when I write the midi drums it's not always in time with each other especially during the faster parts. In other words I'm having a difficult time having the drums play the same bpm that the guitars are playing. How do I go about fixing this problem???
Hey dude! What it sounds like to me is your guitar playing isn't as tight as it needs to be when being lined up with perfect MIDI drums. Ensure that you're recording at the BPM you actually want and really ensure you're tight with the click. When you bring the drums in you shouldn't have an issue. Alternatively, you can try recording your guitar parts to the MIDI drums and a click track at the same time. That may help!
@@ChernobylAudio666 I see. The thing is the both guitars are in line with the click track. Pretty tight actually. But when I start using the midi I'm having a hard time aligning the midi drums with the guitars and the click track.
If you're recording your guitars at 4/4 120BPM for example, the click will work at each beat in 4/4, etc. So it'd stand to reason that when you're programming your drums, you'd use also 4/4 120BPM. If the click is on point and your guitars are super tight but the drums don't line up - the only thing that isn't mechanical here is your guitar performance. When you start comparing human performance to mechanical clicks and drums, things can pop out some times. I'd try to write some drum parts first and then record guitars with the click and the drums playing and see if that helps out.
@@ChernobylAudio666 Sounds good man, I'll write the midi drums first then add in the guitars afterwards. Thanks for the reply/help, highly appreciated 🤘
@@ChernobylAudio666 Hey man so I took your advice. Recorded guitar scratch tracks with a click track, wrote the midi drums along with the click track, NOT with the guitars. Re recorded the guitars along with the drums and wallah!!! You were right(duh!)! Thanks dude, you saved me from many headaches lol
@@ChernobylAudio666 I have a question. I use Reaper and it seems now your course is using cubase. So I won't learn how to do the shortcuts and stuff in Reaper. Is any of the course in Reaper. I know you can translate from one daw to another, and I am sure I would learn a lot, but I really want to know how to set up Reaper for better drums.
Don't forget to download the free MIDI file that I show in the video. Thanks for all the comments, guys! bit.ly/2Ck7HON
I'm not a drummer and I've recently tried programming drums for a metal track for school. I already had the basics like velocity changes, velocity layering for my kits and "humanizing" the performance. That HH pedal tip hadn't even occurred to me. Good shit!
that last 5 minutes is probably the most valuable information ever with regards to drum programming.
Still the best drum programming tutorial on the internet.
Great tips! As a drummer, I couldn't help but laugh at the examples of bad drum programming that would be impossible to play on real drums. One of my friends is a guitarist who has very strange programmed drums on his project, and I suspect it's because he doesn't play. Despite that, I still enjoyed it because it was refreshing to listen to. I think it's totally fine to create "impossible" drum programming as long as the goal isn't to play identical in a live setting. We wouldn't be here without the ones who weren't afraid to experiment!
You’re the most amazing man ever. The explanation is on point and I understand every single detail. I crack up when u said “i will pulling my hair, if i had hair” 😂😂😂
There is no word to describe this video other than MAGNIFICENT!!! Thanks for the great info!
you know i always thought about the dominant hand and changed velocity according to that but never the dominant LEG, thanks allot man, this really helps considering my blasts are the thing that sound the "fake'st"
It's kinda funny how we'll edit live drums to be tighter, but then we do everything possible to get programmed drums to not be as tight to sound more realistic. :D Hahaha
Thanks Scott this is the video I've always needed!
Superb video Scott. Don't let the 'Metal' in the title put you off people (I love Metal like a tooth loves drills....) These tips are applicable to ANY type of drum programming. One really neat piece of drum software that will obey the 'four limbs only' rule, prevent 'crossing of arms' orchestrations and also diminish the virtual drummer's power during a busy fill is Jamstix by Rayzoon.
Just starting out trying to program drums and your videos are just awesome! Thanks!
Some absolutely great advice on this! Learned a lot. Only other tip I'd give is specific to blast beats. When doing them, lower the velocity of the snare drum compared to the snare during the other, slower parts. I'm not a drummer by any means, but as far as I know, the technique used to hit a snare drum that fast during blast beats generally means the drummer will not be able to hit the snare as hard as during 'regular' drumming. It will also just sound way better. :)
Cool. I've been a guitar player for 20 years and am just now getting into recording my own stuff for real. I got a laptop, an interface, and i downloaded cakewalk. Trying to learn on it. Some things are very frustrating such as the timing stuff and figuring out how to make things sound better. Thank God for videos like this! Cheers!
You are such an outstanding teacher. Thank you for this!
Some very useful tips here Scott, thanks for this
Still watching but this is the video I needed!
great video as always fella very helpful and insightful many thanks and cheers from the UK
Thanks for checking it out! Have fun with the MIDI file 👍👍
Dude thank you for putting in the time to make this video... your a beast!
Much appreciated brother. Was very helpful. Thanks .
Glad to se combo Perfect Drums + Reaper. You are of my sort :D Thanks!
Treasure of a tutorial. thanks so much for doing this man.
Scott. I am always learning so much from your vids. Total respect. Thank you!
Really helpful video! Especially the part about hihat articulations.
Doing ride blast beats I always love to randomly add the ridebell in every now and then. I learned that technique from infant annihilators "blasphemian". It sounds so much better. The kick thing you mentioned is really cool too, never thought of that.
This is EXACTLY what I need at the moment.
I have a much more in-depth course of videos on this that can help, too! bit.ly/3iquRp4
Awesome vid Scott, every piece of info was useful. My main takeaways was using the different hi hat articulations and the slight shifting of the kit pieces being hit at the same time for more realism. Never actually tried that but hearing a real-time example shows exactly why it makes sense.
I don’t tend to program fills from scratch as I tend to go with the fills in the drum library expansions of ez drummer2. A lot of the time the velocity/articulations are already done. However I always tried to look at it from the realistic point of view in the tempo of the fill.
When I select a fill I always ensure it’s pre determined tempo in the library is as close to the songs tempo as possible. The logic for me seems to stem from “could a drummer do this in real time?”.
Only issues I ever run into using ezdrummer2 is that some times the cymbals of some the predetermined beats/fills aren’t very loud and don’t cut through the mix as much even when the velocities are maxed. I definitely want to avoid stacking cymbals in the editor for the sake of their individual volume.
Given the only control in ezdrummer2 for the cymbals is the overhead mics, I’m not overly sure if I want to push them too hard given some possible bleed from the overall kit creeping in. (Unless I’m looking at it wrong). Maybe perfect drums might be a better solution, if I’m not mistaken isn’t there independent volume control for the cymbals in its onboard mixer?
Again, great video Scott, thanks heaps 👍
This is handy dandy dude
I’m programming drums a lot so I’m paying attention
Ha! Just told you I don't make metal with my DAW but I really enjoyed watching this. Some of the tips you mention here also apply to normal instruments too, slight offsets and velocity changes etc., so it drew me in. Great tutorial as always Scott. Stay Heavy!!!
Thank you .very helpful!
Thanks a lot my dude, doing this kind of .midi mapping in FL Studio is just a nightmare in order to sound human, I shared your video with a friend of mine who is also getting into programing drums, super super helpful stuff!
This is exactly what I was looking for. Great tutorial, man! 🤘🏻
This helps so much man! Great tips. I just purchased Perfect Drums the other day and am getting used to mixing them into my Death Metal music.
Thanks a lot for this tutorial Scott, very useful!
Great tutorial thanks..
Very nice tutorial. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for this, it was very useful, I was struggling to work out why my drums sounded awful. I am a singer and had little awareness of drummers and their human limitations! Haha! Thank you!
You're the best bro, thankyou
Thanks Dude, very helpful!
What recording software are you using? Logic? FL Studio?
Awesome, thanks !
Great tips. I learned so much!
Thank you, this was golden and exactly what I was looking for!
very nice thanks man!
Nice content, thanks bro
Hey brother hope you’re doing well with starting over from Ukraine. One thing I would say with velocity editing, esp in extreme metal; bands live trigger the bass drum
So when I’m programming the only thing that is max and no velocity changes are the kick drum
If the band ( my band does ) use triggers *
Awesome video dude 🙏
this is an old video and you probably don't really do this stuff anymore, but randomizing the kick velocity is kind of weird because when you trigger your kicks in a live situation, it doesn't have uneven velocity, you want it to sound like a machine gun actually.
If that's what you like 👍
27:00 Maybe it possible to play like a paradidle. RlrrLrll. Basic dru, rudiment.
Just what I need!!
learned a lot from this, thanks
Very informative. Thanks
Thank you so much!!!
Great tips. Thanks a lot! \m/
Thank you for your great video tutorial, I've downloaded the track and opened the MIDI in Studio one, but no sound there, any advice?
Good shit scott, the new intro looks great. I cant find the .txt file for mapping though.
Glad you like it man! You're on Reaper? You can download it from the Stash here: stash.reaper.fm/v/32682/Perfect%20Drums%201.5.0.txt
Thank you for the tips
Can i save as a preset your midi drum settings? or i have to do each time
been starting some music making, but the thing is i kind of play drums. so instead i'm just translating this to guitar to make sure it sounds believable instead of an obvious piano with a soundfont.
Hi Scott! Why I cannot download the Perfect drums 1.5 map? When I try to download it there's only a text like this:
// MIDI note name map
70 Crash 4 Choke (Right)
69 Crash 2 Choke (Right)
68 .
67 Hi-hat (Open)
66 Hi-hat (Half Open)
65 Hi-hat (Half Closed)
64 Hi-hat (Closed edge)
63 Hi-hat (Closed Tip)
62 Hi-hat (Pedal)
61 Crash 1 Choke (Left)
60 Crash 3 Choke (Left)
59 Slpash (Left)
58 Crash 4 (Right)
57 Crash 2 (Right)
56 Bell
55 Splash edge (Left)
54 Splash tip (Left)
53 Ride (Bell)
52 China 2 (Right)
51 Ride (Tip)
50 China 1 (Left)
49 Crash 1 (Left)
48 Crash 3 (Left)
47 .
46 Hi-hat (Open)
45 Racktom 1
44 Hi-hat (Pedal)
43 Racktom 2
42 Hi-hat (Closed edge)
41 Floortom
40 Snare (Rimshot)
39 Ghost note
38 Snare
37 Sidestick
36 Kick
35 Kick
That is the actual map, you need to create it in your DAW, it's kind of annoying, I know
can you give me any insight on how to assign a second kick drum on a midi? it seems i can only assign a kick drum to 1 key. it leaves me baffled as i am new to this. am i really supposed to use 1 key for both kicks?
Great thanks
Great Man!
27:46 Ty for this. My colleagues laughed at me when I told them that wizards are real. But I see that you can recognize true wizards too, such as Master Mangini. Well, guess what good sir. You're a wizard too. EZ fucking sub of my life. I clicked both like and subscribe flam style 🍕
big thanx!!
hey Scott! I`m really new to this. When I downloaded the Files, I got a PDF and a midi sequence. How do I put the MIDI into reaper?
You can hit "INSERT" on your keyboard and then just navigate to where you saved the MIDI file. \m/
You're a fantastic teacher! Do you have a background in education? If not, this is your calling... forever, and ever. Amen.
Thanks for the compliment! No background in teaching, but my grandmother was a teacher for over 30 years, so maybe it rubbed off on me!
I want to be a skater and a drummer, and I have a disability. My left side of my body is smaller than my right, but this doesn't really feel like I prevail one of my dream.
I can't stand up on Damn stake broads!
😞😢
awesome if you could do a video on how to put good midi metal vst through cakewalk realtime using aero drums that would be sweet! also using an irig hd2 for guitar and singing and trying to run good metal vst I wonder if you have any tips on that
Hey man, I've never used Aero Drums before so I can't help you there. The iRig thingy... as long as you can get good recording latency into Cakewalk it shouldn't be an issue! Lots of tips about guitar tones... don't know where to start :D
I have seen drummers that have 2 sets of Hi Hats one open one closed so they can alternate while double bass pedaling.
Yes, sure, but how many drummers in your local area have the capabilities or talent to do that? Just because I see Buddy Rich doing amazing things on the drum kit doesn't mean I should program stuff like that. Program your drums in a way where you at least have a fighting chance of finding somebody that could play the parts.
Hello mailing list dont work can you reposte please ? it will help me a lot to start with the work I currently have thank you Please Please
hi scott ., in metal genre i should put a velocity betwin120 to 127 on all drums ? instead of cymbals? couse in the mix when i add a gate and comp. low velocity sounds not good and low.
If that is what sounds good with your drum samples, then go for it. Although I don't see a reason to add a gate to programmed drums. If you're using them on toms, export all the tracks into audio stems and then manually splice the toms and stuff. Works way better than gates!
wait can i add it to LMMS too?
sorry for being not so bright i click the download link then i sign up on the website correct?
ugghh... i have the zip and when i extract; it does . bt when i go to the destination...nothing's there. tried downloading two times as well.
Does anyone knows how to set up double kick??? i tried following everything on the video, but i am still stuck with only 1 kick drum....... on the piano roll i see the second kcik button... buty how do i make it sound? please help i am a total recording nooooob
Love the video. Only gripe is the drummers don’t do triples with their feet. I know plenty of drummers who do doubles over triples fills not that strange. Look to ruin by lamb of god for an example.
As a drummer I can assure you that drummers do triplets on their feet.
CHERNOBYL STUDIOS you said not to program them into to fills....
Hey Scott, great video. I just started learning midi drums and having a hard time having the guitars and drums timed together. I recorded the guitars along with a click track, but when I write the midi drums it's not always in time with each other especially during the faster parts. In other words I'm having a difficult time having the drums play the same bpm that the guitars are playing. How do I go about fixing this problem???
Hey dude! What it sounds like to me is your guitar playing isn't as tight as it needs to be when being lined up with perfect MIDI drums. Ensure that you're recording at the BPM you actually want and really ensure you're tight with the click. When you bring the drums in you shouldn't have an issue. Alternatively, you can try recording your guitar parts to the MIDI drums and a click track at the same time. That may help!
@@ChernobylAudio666 I see. The thing is the both guitars are in line with the click track. Pretty tight actually. But when I start using the midi I'm having a hard time aligning the midi drums with the guitars and the click track.
If you're recording your guitars at 4/4 120BPM for example, the click will work at each beat in 4/4, etc. So it'd stand to reason that when you're programming your drums, you'd use also 4/4 120BPM. If the click is on point and your guitars are super tight but the drums don't line up - the only thing that isn't mechanical here is your guitar performance. When you start comparing human performance to mechanical clicks and drums, things can pop out some times. I'd try to write some drum parts first and then record guitars with the click and the drums playing and see if that helps out.
@@ChernobylAudio666 Sounds good man, I'll write the midi drums first then add in the guitars afterwards. Thanks for the reply/help, highly appreciated 🤘
@@ChernobylAudio666 Hey man so I took your advice. Recorded guitar scratch tracks with a click track, wrote the midi drums along with the click track, NOT with the guitars. Re recorded the guitars along with the drums and wallah!!! You were right(duh!)! Thanks dude, you saved me from many headaches lol
this menu set is fine to use with version 6.12?
Yup, I'm still using it myself when I use Reaper
do you have a video on panning?
Hey there - I don't, but that's a good idea. I'll do that!
@@ChernobylAudio666 awesome! been struggling with flat drum sounds 😊
is there a command to nudge off time slightly?
"H" for humanize, adjust timing paramters.
15:55 CHERNOBYL studios telling us a drummer cannot have more than 2 hands? Get outta here! xD
The link is broken... any other way?
Just tested everything... should be good! -- bit.ly/2Ck7HON
@@ChernobylAudio666 This one works, thanks!!
27:50 if you're in a hurry
I don't have humanize
Thank you so much for making this for us idiots
Am I the only one that liked the machine gun drums? lol 😆
You metal mastery course has vanished.
It's here: spectreacademy.net/courses/mixing-extreme-metal/
@@ChernobylAudio666 I have a question. I use Reaper and it seems now your course is using cubase. So I won't learn how to do the shortcuts and stuff in Reaper. Is any of the course in Reaper. I know you can translate from one daw to another, and I am sure I would learn a lot, but I really want to know how to set up Reaper for better drums.
Very nice Video!