Just read the book and enjoyed it very much. Ishiguro does a nice job at representing ideas through stories. As far as I'm concerned, my main take on the book was the ethics in relation to science: we are fast to develope new technology and advance, but we should have a moral sense about what it means to bring a conscious being into the world for our benefit ( which reminded me of the food industry, where we bring animals, which are conscious and can expirience suffering and happines, to existence with the only purpose of serving as food for human beings). Great point of view and great video!
Yeah, made that connection too. Morality is fascinating. Interestingly Peter Singer who wrote animal liberation has argued that it's hard to rationally reject the idea that animals could be raised and slaughter humanely unlike what happens currently and it wouldn't be morally wrong. As a vegan I have trouble accepting this because it seems like it could get you to similar dystopian outcomes described in the book, but it's hard to reject the argumentation even though making logical conclusions from it can come up with absurd situations where having 100x the number of humans that barely experience any happiness would be just as preferable as a smaller population of people thriving to the maximal extent.
These kids at Hailsham had everything to be human just like the people they were donating for… They confined themselves to the limits of the school and their caretakers had set but they owed them nothing. They were the donors who gave up their lives and lived most ‘nobily’ but never question the rules and conditions they were born into. They see it as their fate that they’re essentially growing up on this farm to be lab animals. The only way out of this is through creative expression and the ‘soul’. The recognition that we have all have this creative impulse regardless of our ‘class’ is what can awake us to our most core and basic human worth. But it’s incredibly frustrating that they never see an ‘out’. What a great book. Not as beautifully written as Klara but devastating commentary on human condition.
Analogy-- 9 billion farm animals we kill for food, unnecessarily. The welfarists at Hailsham are like the folks offering 'free range' chickens, as opposed to crowding two chickens in a 12" square cage and debeaking them. It's a bit better. Chickens should have more room, right? But ultimately, there's no questioning the underlying concept of slaughtering 9 billion land animals for McNuggets.
Hailsham is welfarism. And I'm vegan too it's just... watching the movie with the amazing OST (Rachel Portman) makes me think in nothing but our own mortality.
The myth of the pre-societal individual is imo the fatal ontological error of political liberalism. Believing that we evolved independently of race, culture, shared history ext. is what's fulleling today's decaying state of affairs.
Well, I just did! Our discussion ended 15 minutes ago and guess what Prof? I'm still stuck here in my seat! I just learned that Judy Bridgewater is a fictional character made for the purpose of the book!
@@GreatBooksProf When I searched it in RUclips, I saw it lined with some old 50s songs so I did not suspect a thing. I used the song as my background music all through my reading thinking it was real. Now, I feel what some students of Hailsham felt, like the whole experience was a lie. Wow!
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Just read the book and enjoyed it very much. Ishiguro does a nice job at representing ideas through stories. As far as I'm concerned, my main take on the book was the ethics in relation to science: we are fast to develope new technology and advance, but we should have a moral sense about what it means to bring a conscious being into the world for our benefit ( which reminded me of the food industry, where we bring animals, which are conscious and can expirience suffering and happines, to existence with the only purpose of serving as food for human beings). Great point of view and great video!
Great connection to factory farming! I think this is absolutely on Ishiguro's mind in the book.
Yeah, made that connection too. Morality is fascinating. Interestingly Peter Singer who wrote animal liberation has argued that it's hard to rationally reject the idea that animals could be raised and slaughter humanely unlike what happens currently and it wouldn't be morally wrong. As a vegan I have trouble accepting this because it seems like it could get you to similar dystopian outcomes described in the book, but it's hard to reject the argumentation even though making logical conclusions from it can come up with absurd situations where having 100x the number of humans that barely experience any happiness would be just as preferable as a smaller population of people thriving to the maximal extent.
These kids at Hailsham had everything to be human just like the people they were donating for… They confined themselves to the limits of the school and their caretakers had set but they owed them nothing. They were the donors who gave up their lives and lived most ‘nobily’ but never question the rules and conditions they were born into. They see it as their fate that they’re essentially growing up on this farm to be lab animals. The only way out of this is through creative expression and the ‘soul’. The recognition that we have all have this creative impulse regardless of our ‘class’ is what can awake us to our most core and basic human worth. But it’s incredibly frustrating that they never see an ‘out’. What a great book. Not as beautifully written as Klara but devastating commentary on human condition.
I have my final exam for this book in a few days and this was so useful thank you!
Happy to hear you found it useful. Good luck on your exam!
brilliantly explained 🙌🏽🙌🏽 thank you!
Analogy-- 9 billion farm animals we kill for food, unnecessarily. The welfarists at Hailsham are like the folks offering 'free range' chickens, as opposed to crowding two chickens in a 12" square cage and debeaking them. It's a bit better. Chickens should have more room, right? But ultimately, there's no questioning the underlying concept of slaughtering 9 billion land animals for McNuggets.
Hailsham is welfarism. And I'm vegan too it's just... watching the movie with the amazing OST (Rachel Portman) makes me think in nothing but our own mortality.
Wow this video is one of the most brilliant thing i've ever seen on youtube.
That’s very nice. Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
wow you haven't watched much youtube then 🤣
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Thank you so much ❤️🤘
The myth of the pre-societal individual is imo the fatal ontological error of political liberalism. Believing that we evolved independently of race, culture, shared history ext. is what's fulleling today's decaying state of affairs.
Thank you for this Prof! Your insights are truly helpful for my BOTM Discussion later. HAHA
Haha! You're ready to crush BOTM! 🤣
Well, I just did! Our discussion ended 15 minutes ago and guess what Prof?
I'm still stuck here in my seat!
I just learned that Judy Bridgewater is a fictional character made for the purpose of the book!
@@eframcortes959 I know! Pretty wild. It’s totally believable that he’s describing an actual song by an actual artist.
@@GreatBooksProf When I searched it in RUclips, I saw it lined with some old 50s songs so I did not suspect a thing.
I used the song as my background music all through my reading thinking it was real.
Now, I feel what some students of Hailsham felt, like the whole experience was a lie. Wow!
First and second chapter I keep zone out while reading it.can anyone help me to stay focus on the book ?
😄📖I have some advice: ruclips.net/video/kkrlaiXwS40/видео.html
I don't know of any mature, semi-intelligent adult who genuinely believes they don't need anyone but themselves. It's an awkward, contrived premise.