Just gonna pin some thoughts on House of Mouse since I keep seeing comments about it: As much as I do find House of Mouse charming, I couldn’t get into how little actual original content there was since it was really a big vehicle for MouseWorks cartoons (which are pretty meh imo), so I didn’t think it held much weight for this particular project (though I agree that Minnie and Daisy are pretty good there). And ultimately, the appeal of the original sections of House of Mouse really wasn’t the Mickey Mouse stuff, it was all the other Disney stuff. I’d much rather credit more defined and dedicated Mickey Mouse projects as the best versions. Also love people commenting assuming I haven’t seen it even though I used a clip of it for the Ludwig von Drake section lol.
Honestly, I liked the Mickey's Mouseworks cartoons. I thought they gave some of the characters (like Mickey) a lot more character. But then, I find the Paul Rudish cartoons kind of obnoxious. So . . . my tastes are my own.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing that Ducktales was the best version of Donald but I do think "Legend of the Three Caballeros" deserved at least a mention during the Donald part.
@@AdamYJI can’t stand the look of the Paul Rudish cartoons but I love the Mouse Works toons. So you’re not alone, though we sadly seem to be the minority.
Donald in the Ducktales reboot deserves more credit. Not only did this man became a single father of three overnight, but he immediately seeked help for his anger issues so he could be the father the triplets deserve.
I always did love David Tennant’s take on Scrooge, where his tone and demeanor still sounds like that of an old man, but his actual voice gives off a youthful vigor fitting for an adventurer with more than a century’s worth of practice who has no intention of slowing down
I still prefer Alan Young's Scrooge. He sounds more like someone whose entire life has been a great adventure but also like someone who needs to be reminded that he has a family and not be distracted by all the wealth he has accumulated over the course of his life. More similar to how Carl Barks wrote the character. Tennant's Scrooge is more like Don Rosa's Scrooge, who is generally more expressive and youthful despite his age.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I like both Alan Young, and David Tennant. While Young's Scrooge is more in line with Carl Bark's Scrooge, Tennant's Scrooge is more in line with Don Rosa's Scrooge, and they both work in their own unique way.
Your description of Tennant's version of Scrooge. In other words... the Doctor. I dig Alan Young's take on Scrooge (especially for the updated Duck Tales video game, where the original cast reprised their roles), but I do prefer what Tennant did with the character.
While I do love Alan Young, I just prefer David Tennant as Scrooge McDuck. He’s an actual adventurer who craved through the glory days, compared to Alan Young’s more businessman demeanor.
I feel the most fleshed out Minnie whenever she has her bow boutique Having her trait being her love for fashionable bows is fun,and seeing a female lead has a hard working business woman is really nice
Yeah somehow her best iterations are her theme park appearances bc she’s always wearing some crazy new beautiful costume, which really emphasizes that she loves fashion and bows. She outshines Mickey in so many of those. Plus shoutout to the time where she was like THE captain of the cruise ship lmao
I really like the Mickey/Donald/Goofy dynamic in Three Musketeers, but my favorite is definitely Kingdom Hearts. They don’t get a ton of time together, but you can tell how much they care for each other.
Fave moment is KH2. Seeing Micky get *angry*, throw his cloak off and just utter calmly but furious, "They'll pay...", after it seemed like Goofy bit the dust and Donald, no hesitation, fly into a rage and charging forward to avenge his friend said so much in just a few moments of screen time. Close second is "ZETA-FLARE!" Micky was *surprised* but NOT Goofy, giving he said "Donald No!". What have those two been up too that he knows that spells and Goofy knows he can cast it? I'm also gonna have to check but I think that makes Donald the only character without a key blade to ice an organization member on the good side.
Yup you gotta watch that shit. Its so good and honestly one of the best reboots Ive ever seen. How they tackled the characters and the interactions between them is amazing! Dewey being my favorite
I feel House of Mouse got overlooked. With your qualifications, it's probably the best version of Daisy, Claribelle, potentialy Horace (though I haven't played Epic Mickey) and especially Minnie, who has the most defined role she ever had as the stage manager for the show who's the linchpin holding the operation together. It also has a pretty good max, since he's not a teen per say so he has a lot of his Goofy Movie traits without the teenager baggage.
To me, Minnie's best iteration is the Twice Upon a Christmas short of her and Daisy competing against each other in an ice skating competition. She's shown as flawed and talented, and it goes to show how much she and Daisy care for each other even if they get heated at times.
I was really waiting for the mention of Twice Upon a Christmas. The relationship between Minnie and Daisy was especially strong there, and it’s a great character study putting them in conflict together but respecting their existing friendship
I thought it was weird how quickly they turned on each other, though. I guess it _is_ characterization, but it's still not _characteristic_ for them at all. In my opinion, anyways.
Minnie being largely defined by her dynamic with Mickey reminds me a little how the characters of Peach and Amy are growing to be defined as more than just "the girl" and "the romance association".
I was thinking a lot about Peach while he was talking about Minnie. But even with the similarities, Peach has had numerous games over the years where she actually has more of a character. She's a kind-hearted, bubbly girl, but she's also confident, determined, and has magic powers. She's still very much a stereotypical girl character in a lot of ways, but that's fine. She's had loads of cool moments in the RPG series, and even in mainline games on occasion, with her 3D Land postcards showing her attempting to escape Bowser. I'd love to see a game where she tears down Bowser's forces from the inside. And of course, there's also the upcoming Princess Peach: Showtime, which is letting her get some more time to herself to shine. The movie didn't really know what to do with her, and ended up changing her personality entirely, which was quite a shame, honestly. The fact that they opted to reinvent her character instead of working with what she is in the games is dumb. When it comes to Amy, I'm not sure what to even think about her anymore. Obviously it's not a good idea to keep her Sonic obsession around, but it feels like they haven't really found a way for her to stand out without it. Hope they find a way for her to stand out soon though, because it's clear that the series is better when she's around.
personally, I think the best route to take her character at this point is to keep her a massive simp when she's around Sonic, but then also give her more screen time with other characters where she can be herself, best of both worlds. Sadly Sega will never do this since they're insistent on making sonic/amy work as a hypothetical couple, which is really the big thing keeping her in the all too common trope of "the girl character"@@DaNintendude
@@DaNintendude you spitting facts right there Also, I know Peach is a very stereotypical girl like you said, but I started to absolutely love it when I realised that she was essentially just a Magical Girl
@@frostthewolf1443 Indeed she does, it seems like she's unofficially become the "magic" in a "tech, nature, magic" trio of themes in Sonic (Tails is tech, Knux is nature) and also the lover of the concept of love.
There's another side to Mickey's character that, IMO, isn't discussed nearly enough. He's Walt Disney's cartoon son. In projects like "Epic Mickey," the Paul Rudish shorts, or even "Once Upon a Studio," we can see that Mickey has grieved Walt's death, and tries to follow in his footsteps. He's also faced the expectations of living up to Walt's legacy, and still being a leader, hero, and entertainer for everyone. Mickey's not just happy all the time; he's learned to accept happiness while accepting, and overcoming, tremendous hardship. It makes you appreciate him more in that regard.
I’m so glad that you highlighted the hot tub scene from A Goofy Movie, even if briefly. That scene is frankly one of the more understated pieces of drama from a Disney film, and it honestly became a way deeper exchange once I became a parent myself. Easily the best part of that movie
Yeah, especially because even before that scene, you got snippets of the way Pete raised PJ. From the way PJ is initially being very apprehensive about Max’s plan to impress Roxanne with his dad’s camera being involved, to him being scared of being crushed like a bug due to getting detention and the way Pete basically controls PJ and messes with his emotions during the camping scene. It’s that kind of subtle storytelling that really elevates A Goofy Movie from being a fun side movie to being one of their best character writing-wise.
In the videogame Epic Mickey and Epic Mickey 2, Pete has a shockingly complex character, being aware about his role as a villain in the media but not personally aligning with it. It's really interesting.
My favorite version of Mickey Mouse has always been the Paul Rudish shorts. They let him be absolutely insane. Disney’s usually super protective, but those shorts are just so hog wild. I love seeing him be a complete rat.
Just going to say, you're REALLY missing out on some great incarnations of these characters by totally ignoring the comics. The classic Disney chars have appeared in comics since the old days... started with the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic strip, and the spin-off Donald Duck comic strip, both of which later spun off to proper comic book stories. The entire Ducktales show is based on the old Donald Duck comics written and drawn by Carl Barks, who invented and introduced Scrooge McDuck (in 1947, 20 years before he showed up in animation and 40 years before the first Ducktales, which was essentially a watered-down and kiddified adaptation of Barks's comics) and pretty much all the supporting cast. The 2017 Ducktales is a revival that takes more from later comics, especially THE BEST DISNEY COMIC EVER, "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck," the story of Scrooge's life from a poor shoeshine boy in Glasgow to multi-trillionaire in Duckburg. Apparently this comic was mandatory reading for everyone that worked on the show, and though they take a lot of liberties with it (in the show Scrooge's parents are alive, but in the comic a big turning point is their deaths), you can really see how it shaped how they wrote and thought of Scrooge as a character. The Mickey Mouse comics are where characters like Clarabelle, Horace, and Morty and Ferdie really shine. Horace especially in the early Mickey Mouse comic is just a really fun character. There's also some pretty good comics with Minnie and Clarabelle... the comics tended to keep Donald and his family a little separated from Mickey and the crew (they really only meet up on special occasions) so Minnie never really hung out with Daisy. Instead we got quite a few stories with Minnie and Clarabelle as friends and partners as they tried their hand on things like entering a talent show together, or opening a restaurant together... In these story you got Minnie as the sometimes exasperated but usually supportive "straight woman" to Clarabelle's antics, which really worked. Just... it's kind of sad that Americans don't even know about the Disney comics. The Disney characters are American, after all... but as comic stars Americans don't even know them. And here in Europe we LOVE Disney comics, which are still being made and printed to this very day.
Oh, I’m well aware of the Disney comics (mostly thanks to how much inspiration DuckTales takes from them). Unfortunately, as much as I’ve tried in the past, I’ve never really been able to get into comics of any kind. It’s just not my thing. I’m really glad certain characters, especially Minnie, seem to get a lot more love there. Ultimately, the video is just my opinion and is limited by what I’ve been exposed to. If your favorite versions of these characters are from these comics, that’s awesome.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon See, I mostly reacted when you said Morty and Ferdie had "only been in three things, ever," and that's just wrong. They've been in countless comics. Really, it's because of Morty and Ferdie that Huey, Dewey and Louie even exist... Morty and Ferdie were pretty big presences in the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic, and when Donald got his own spinoff, in the early years he shared a supporting cast with Mickey. Morty and Ferdie showed up quite often to prank and torment him. After a while, though, it was decided to just give Donald his own nephews instead of having him rely on Mickey's... and as a way of one-upping Mickey, Donald got THREE bratty identical nephews instead of just two.
@@dinam3236 well he did disclaim this was a ranking of all the more well known versions and not a fully comprehensive list, so it makes sense that the comics didn't get their time to shine here, though he might cover in them in a future video maybe.
@@dinam3236I live in Germany and read the Comic all the time and never noticed, that the Americans don't have them. But did they got the OG Carl Barks Comics?
I don't think it's fair to call being a "hopeless romantic" a "negative" or uninteresting character trait. The hopeless romantic is a very interesting trope and character M.O. and it's a relatively positive one.
It's negative because it's the only thing she has. Maybe when Mickey was still new to everyone, it was fine having Minnie have a very simple yet obvious role of just Mickey's love interest, but despite all the stories going by, she's still a hopeless romantic
House of Mouse did pretty well of showing the characters in a 'modern' setting. That said, I actually like Quack Pack because it allows the triplets to age like Max.
The main mistake they made in House of Mouse is making Donald's nephews sound just like Donald, instead of sounding like boys or from the OG Ducktales. And I don't like how they made Donald into asshole. But the rest of that series is ok.
I really think Disney is overprotective of Mickey. I can see so many potential Mickey Mouse movies and television shows that aren’t aimed at toddlers, such as a Wizards of Mickey television series.
To be honest, for Mickey my favorite version has to be either shorts or Epic Mickey. Both have given me great nostalgic memories and they just pop to mine when thinking of Mickey.
Classic Mickey is absolutely my favorite design, though that's not to tear down the newer depictions, they are just as iconic. It's just that I associate them with more child friendly, clean shows and such, while the other has always kept that edge.
I think the House of mouse rendition of Minnie and Daisy are the best, mini is shown to be very reliable, intelligent, and the backbone of the club to make sure it stays running give me a head that no other important character, there was an episode where she even quit the house, and mouse was literally in shambles. That goes to show how much her core value is for that shelf. And Daisy has her duck tales characters same time you see how she dreams to be a star by knowing all the celebrities that come through the clubhouse and how she always try to get her chance to shine by this morning and stage. Both of these characteristics from those characters definitely still out for me and that show.
The other nice understated thing with Daisy was she wanted to *EARN* her stardom. On more than one occasion she could have easily used her connections with the others, Donald, other outside forces to get that but she always wanted to put the work in even if she sometimes was played to be spacy. Her unique gifts were what she wanted to get her places. There's something respectable about that.
What a great observation that Disney doesn’t really play around with Mickey too much since that’s THE brand mascot. And I think that’s definitely related to why Minnie has so few versions and different characterizations as well.
The best version of Minnie is specifically her Kingdom Hearts 2 iteration. She gets a whole speedrun strategy related to pushing her across a long hallway and that's the most attention she's got ever
As a person from a country where the main focus is on Donald Duck (and Mickey is treated like a side character), calling all these "Mickey Mouse Characters" is kind of triggering😂
I'm so sad that minnie can't stand out by herself, She's literally the most iconic female cartoon character, Disney could've gave her more. I do still enjoy her appearences, she's sweet, pritty, caring and absolutely my favorite! she deserves more love❤
For me, the best incarnations of a good number of these characters are the comic book incarnations including runs from European markets like Italy. Mickey Mouse in the comics is basically like Tintin, an adventurer who takes on all sorts of criminals, his main arch nemesis in the comics isn't Pete but a character called the Phantom Blot who is a creation of the original Mickey Mouse comic strips from the 30s but doesn't get used much in animated projects and most of time as in the Ducktales reboot, not as an antagonist for Mickey. If you like the DT reboot version of Donald Duck then you will love the old Scrooge McDuck comics where he along with the nephews goes along with Scrooge on his adventures, the Italian comics REALLY love Donald Duck (and the rest of the Duck characters), going as far to give an extremely popular superhero identity called Paperinik (Duck Avenger) that had several series over the years as well as a secret agent in the series Double Duck. Trivia time, Donald's therapist in the reboot episode is actually a character from the comics who's Donald's neighbor, whom he has a bitter rivalry with. Goofy in the comics isn't all that different but he did have a long running series where he became a superhero called Super Goof went he eats super powered peanuts. The House of Mouse even had an episode dedicated to that concept. Though in Goofy's case, my favorite version is the Goof Troop/Goofy Movie version.
As an Italian who owns like 30-ish mickey comics, I'm happy that someone on the internet remembered them at all. I mean, come on, he's basically a detective for most of the police oriented stories! And when he's not the detective, he's justa regular guy looking for adventure! Also, side note, I even own the Paperinik (Duck Avenger) PS2 video game made by ubisoft and if you are wondering, it's just a mediocre Rayman ripoff lol
While i adore Scrooge in Ducktales, i will always think of the comic run “The Life and Times of Scrooge Mcduck” by Don Rosa. Its not only my favorite version af scrooge but also one of my favorite comic books ever. He has so much life and complexity. Seeing him grow from a hopeful kid to the lonely old man really struck a nerve with me.
Probably my favorite iteration of Mickey would probably be Epic Mickey, as it tests him as a character and forces him to deal with a massive issue he caused, as well as make him a badass.
I'd say one of Mickey's best roles is in the short "Runaway Brain." He's depicted as a more mischievous everyman thrown into a bizarre horrific situation (sort of reminiscent of "The Mad Doctor"), and he's got a sort of scrappiness to him while also being relatable. He's also a gamer in that one, so make of that what you will.
The Goofy/Max segment in Twice Upon a Christmas is a pretty spectacular take on their relationship as well. It's the one where Max brings a girl home to meet his dad after being off on his own, and it ends up with Max kind of finally seeing his dad for who he is in that way that we only can after growing up and looking at our parents again through the eyes of an adult.
I think for Mickey, and especially Minnie, the early 2000's Mickey Mouse Works/House of Mouse era shouldn't be overlooked. They still had a bit of that edge to them, while still recognizably the same friendly characters. This actually goes for the whole cast imo. The House of Mouse specials, Mouse Works in general, and Runaway Brain are all great to this day. And of course, animation aside, the long, long history of the characters in comics. Similar to mascots like Mario and Sonic having some pretty extensive and deep lore in comics, there's a lot that most people may never see, stuff that really puts each and every character out there for some of their best stories in their respective franchise histories.
Minnie Mouse ❤ I never really had much to say about her… until I met her character at Disney World. Whichever cast member was playing her totally nailed it. Easily the best character interaction by a long ways. Super expressive and engaged in seeing what autographs my family had collected, and kept having us pose for pictures in different ways.
I couldn't be happier with your Mickey choice. I quickly fell in love with the Paul Rudish shorts and love the direction they went with Mickey; he's optimistic, well-meaning, and occasionally a little unhinged and mischievous. It feels like they took bits of his personality from all his previous incarnations and combined them, and strangely enough, it makes for one of if not the most memorable version of the character.
For Jiminy, I'm gonna say his best iteration is in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. He's always looking out for Sora and being his voice of reason when Goofy and Donald can't get through to him. He's patient and never gives up on Sora, even forgiving Sora for snapping at him like the moody teen he was in that game. Jiminy realized Sora was going through a LOT.
If comics also count for best versions, the absolute best version of Scrooge is Don Rosa's interpretation of the old Carl Barks comics. Life And Times of Scrooge McDuck might well be my favorite comic book of all time. As for Donald's anger issues, I like to credit it due to the fact he is a WW2 veteran. This also ties in with the old Ducktales where he literally leaves the nephews with Scrooge, being enlisted in the navy. In older (WW2) cartoons he also fights in various roles. Even real life is canon with this as Donald has been officially honorably discharged in 1984 as Sergeant. So, basically, Donald deals with PTSD while taking care of his sister's kids
As an extraordinaire on all things Epic Mickey, Mickey Mouse, Sensational Six, and Duckverse, I was astonished that Epic Mickey Mickey didn't win best version of his character. I'd argue it's the most "real" his character has ever been, and that's not just due to the meta nature of Epic Mickey as a whole but due to the arc he goes through in that game and how he comes to grips with the responsibility for his actions and the relationship he has to build with his brother he never knew, while traversing the ravaged ending point for all his co-stars abandoned in the past. Also, no Ortensia appearance? Other than that, _beautiful_ video. It was very in-depth, very well-research, and you really pulled out all the stops in your character selection. From the smallest chipmunk to the grandest wizard, you really covered them all. I guess it was a bit sad that Della didn't get a mention, but then again, that best version goes without saying. I agree that The Three Musketeers is a masterpiece and probably did the most for these age-old character dynamics, along with reintroducing the characters to a more modern audience in the early 2000s. It definitely has the greatest iteration of Mickey, Donald and Goofy as a trio, the Mickey and Pete rivalry, the Pete and Donald dynamic, and Clarabelle. This was a very intriguing watch, thank you!
@@__Soya__Interacting with Mickey is not what makes a character a "Mickey Mouse" character. If that was the case, Scrooge wouldn't count, because him and Mickey seldom interact. Also by that logic, Maleficient or Hades are also "Mickey Mouse" characters because they interact with Mickey a lot throughout House of Mouse. Barring that, Ortensia and Mickey do interact. Mickey's friends in the Sensational Six and their family members all qualify as Mickey Mouse characters. Oswald and Donald qualifying and Ortensia and Della not makes no sense
Donald and Goofy in Kingdom Hearts, totally. I love watching them and how they somewhat treat Sora like their son, really builds up their friendship in a fun way!
I felt relieved when Three Musketeers Pete won the place for best Pete. The way he just roast himself while also hyping himself up during his villain song always makes me smile
@@jimbi0768 The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck was fantastic, and I agree that it has the absolute best portrayal of Scrooge McDuck. I honestly just can't see Scrooge as anyone but THAT Scrooge no matter how many times he's changed within his appearances in animation
Goofy is one of my favorite characters solely because of The Goofy Movie because that movie gets so deep sometimes and every time that one line comes along “I’ve got my own life now Dad!”/“I know that! I just want to be a part of it..!” It hurts because I can’t help but think about my Dad because I’m a teenager now and he always wants to be with me and my sisters and it really just makes me respect Goofy more as a Dad 🫡🫡
I just have to say this but loved how you respectfully said Jose's and Panchito's names in their native language accent. Kinda shows your a respectful dude of culture.
Actually, I’m just Hispanic lol. As it turns out I was actually pronouncing José’s name wrong as it’s pronounced differently in Brazilian/Portuguese. But I appreciate the compliment!
As someone with nostalgic fondness for The Three Musketeers I'm very happy to see the praise you gave it here for how it handled certain characters, definitely agree with the analysis on Pete in it, guy was an absolute menace of an antagonist.
I think the only recurring Mickey Mouse characters you may have missed are the Phantom Blot, Ortensia, the Mad Doctor and the Lonesome Ghosts. I guess PJ could be a stretch, but he's as old as Max and is in all the same popular main appearances as him. The little pigs and specially the Big Bad Wolf are also sort of Mickey Mouse characters.
There was actually a version of the script with The Mad Doctor in it, but I decided to exclude him since he was only ever in his original short and the Epic Mickey games (ignoring cameos lol). Phantom Blot first appeared in animation in 1987, so a little past my general deadline of the 60s. Same with PJ (Max made it in on the technicality of a 50s Goofy short featuring a “version of Max”). Ortensia did sorta just slip my mind, but her entry would’ve ended up so similar to Oswald’s that I don’t think it would’ve been worth it.
There's also the supporting Pluto cast (Fifi the Pekingese, Dinah the dachshund and Butch the bulldog), Chip & Dale's love interest Clarice, Ranger Woodlore and Chernabog (he's interacted with the main 3 enough to count I would assume, particularly in Kingdom Hearts, the Paul Rudish cartoons and that one commercial with Michael Eisner in it) If you count the comics, there's also Gyro Gearloose and Magica De Spell (she just barely made the cutoff year 1961).
I like your analysis on Donald Duck's depictions through various cartoons. 'DuckTales 2017' keeps his anger, and rage while challenging his responsibilities as A parent. I also find it funny that while Mickey has become the 'corporate mascot', Donald became more popular globally due to his more relatable tendencies.
I love the mainstay Mickey cast a lot, but it would be great to see Max and Oswald become more prominent. Having Max would help further Goofy’s fatherly personality and could lead to a lot of stories for kids to relate to, since the other characters are adults, seemingly. I think Oswald in this day and age is more known as the living embodiment of ‘cartoon’, since in his latest short he does things like turn his ears into a pair of scissors. Including him more often could be great for inducing some fun hijinks for the rest of the cast to bounce off of.
After talking about Epic Mickey in both Oswald and Horace, I was expecting the Shadow Blot to be next. Mickey has a long history with it and few people know it isn't an Epic Mickey Original.
I mean... Teeechnically the Shadow Blot is original in Epic Mickey since he has a different name, and a completely different character from the original Phantom Blot, he's basically Blot in last name only... But yeah, I was really rooting for them to get a mention, the Blots(both Phantom and Shadow, I guess) are really important to Mickey Mouse lore, and it's a shame they are ignored so much,
RIP Claribelle Cow In all seriousness though, great video! I've been wanting someone to do an analysis on the different iterations of each character, and this was great! It makes me wish they would bring back some forgotten characters, like Max Goof and Oswald
Pete's best version is easily goof troop. He really is the actual main character, a lot of episodes revolve around Pete with Max/Goofy getting roped in. He's delightfully scummy with plenty of great lines.
Brazilian here. The best version of José Carioca is definitely the Disney comic books published in Brazil. It makes a huge difference when you see a Brazilian character written by Brazilians. Great video!
I wish we would have gotten some of the prominent Carl Barks characters too. Gyro Gearloose and Little Helper, Glomgold and Rockerduck, Gladstone Gander and especially the Beagle Boys, who my grandma compares me to, every time I wear a red hoodie. My grandpa loves these characters, and collects the comics to this day
You should try watching “House of Mouse”. It’s a very interesting take on a lot of these characters, especially Minnie, because they are all given specific, modern jobs to keep the club open and running. Mickey is the host, Goofy is a water, Minnie is club management, Pete’s the building owner. I actually LIKE Pete in that show because he isn’t just a dick he’s nice but just a bit of a hardass. And we also get to see some of Mickey’s original personality because the antics that go on in the club get on his nerves at times and his usual pushback is to be sassy about out.
I'm amazed that I keep hearing the KH music in the background, but it doesn't even get an individual spotlight in Donald and Goofy's sections. Like, ofc not their best version but still mention worthy
Horse Horsecollar, Mortimer Mouse and Ludwig von Drake definitely got a lot of their big moments in House of Mouse. I love the running gag of Mickey asking Horace what's wrong and Horace answers literally what's going on in the world before Mickey clarifies "No, what's wrong in here!" and Horace gives him the straight answer. Mortimer Mouse from his first appearance in the short Mickey's Rival, was a regular antagonist in House of Mouse and he's very funny as the cocky, sly chiseler always trying to make a move on Minnie and taunt Mickey. Whenever he's just being a jerk and still getting his comeuppance, I always thought he was a lot of fun. And while Ludwig von Drake's role in Fun and Fancy Free would be my second best, House of Mouse introduced me to Ludwig as the funny inventor who's gadgets always went haywire and also much love for his his big song number about where every Disney guest in the House of House sits.
Don’t brush off my boi, Pluto like that! He’s amazing! 😭 I’d argue that he used to be a lot more aggressive and violent in his earlier iterations. He’s still prone to anger, but not as aggressive as before. I like the mix of both, where he’s mostly sweet and kind, and when he does get angry, it isn’t as intense. Sorry, Pluto is just my favorite Mickey character😅
I'm not surprised this wasn't covered given how damn obscure it is, but there is one other version of Mickey that I think is at least worth mentioning: the italian comics. Started out in the 50s fairly faithful to his usual self, but his quick thinking and can do attitude have been completely recontextualized in modern times, turning him into an ace detective who is otherwise ironically too emotionally tangled up in his job. This kind of extends to Minnie too. Still exists as Mickey's girlfriend, though one who's way more emotionally mature than he is, and one that he sorely needs. If we're talking character dynamics, this perfect foil version of Mickey and Minnie is definitely my favorite. And if we want to talk about daring, boy, there's Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine, the 90s (again) Italian comic where Mickey goes noir and packs heat, seems to have been canned way too soon, not sure why... It's something I would recommend if it was more readily available. The best shot is the IDW comics, all direct translation of the Italian joints. And... one more thing about House of Mouse I think is worth mentioning... the Mickey MouseWorks shorts still count. And that Mickey is funny as hell to me because they tried making a thing the fact that he... really loves cheese. It was a character trait of his only this one time, in the 90s, in these silly ass cartoons from a post Roger Rabbit world. Seems like a byproduct of trying to make him a thing, not as much as Bugs Bunny is for WB, but in about the same way. Between this and Mystery Magazine (and even Runaway Brain, how could I forget), god damn were the 90s a wild time for Mickey.
From what I can tell Minnie's best is kingdom hearts. Mainly due to the fact that Mickey barely shows up and is running around the worlds. Meanwhile she is still fulfilling hee role as a ruler protecting and nurturing her world.
i will say that since you mentioned the preschool shows, i believe the best version of minnie would definitely be from the "Minnie's Bowtique" shorts. while giving her a watered down personality, i think she acts as the glue and the straight man to the sassy remarks of daisy and the rowdiness of cuckoo loca.
Great video! just a small correction. José Carioca’s name is pronounced “Joe-sé” not “Ho-sé”, it is a portuguese name, not a spanish one, that is also why he is credited as “Joe carioca” in the movies. The last time Disney pronounced correctly was in the short Two Happy amigos from 1960, it was also the last time he was voiced by his original voice actor, José Oliveira. I think that the best and most important animated version of José Carioca was the one that was canceled. Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros was supposed to be a trilogy. The third movie, Cuban Carnival, was scrapped but one segment was already in production and was added to Melody Time as “blame to the samba”. The first half of the movie would be in Brazil where we would meet Maria Vaz, José’s girlfriend (a bird version of Yaya from The three Caballeros voiced by the same actress) and later they would go to Cuba and meet a new character in a similar way to Three Caballeros but I don’t think Panchito was going to be in the movie. Although the movie was canceled, a short series of comic books about José and Maria Vaz (now renamed to Rosinha Vaz) was published in Europe, and after being released in Brazil, it was a huge success and became a comic series that only ended in 2018 on issue 2446*! (*Donald and José comics shared the same issue number until 1985 so not all comics were about José). The comic version of José is the most iconic version in Brazil and the one people remember the most and his personality is very different from the movies. Comic José is a poor, lazy man that does anything for money that doesn’t involve getting a job, he is very similar to the ducktales version of Louie Duck where both tries to get money with creative schemes. In the comics Rosinha is a rich woman and daughter of a bank owner called Rocha Vaz that hates José. Rosinha knows very well the type of man José is and although he (usually) doesn’t ask his girlfriend for money the social difference between them makes for some great stories. It’s a shame that this version of the character was never animated, ever since José Oliveira passed away in the 80s he became “Panchito 2”. Nothing shows this more by the fact that they made a series where José is one of the main characters but they didn’t look at how to pronounce his name.
Someone else already pointed this out to me, but thx for letting me know! Sorry for the mispronunciation, I'm Hispanic myself and didn't think twice about the fact that he's Brazilian and thus would be pronounced differently. Really hope Disney gets on their game about properly representing this character through something as basic as his proper pronunciation.
The Three Musketeers, House of Mouse, and Kingdom Hearts I hold dear in regards to the main trio’s dynamic. I seriously hope one day Disney allows Mickey to be written more like an actual character soon outside of the Mickey Mouse shorts and Kingdom Hearts. The overprotection the company has on him has robbed us from of a lot of potential stories that could be told with his modern design, especially in regards to what the 2017 DuckTales team wanted to do with him before the show ended. I wouldn’t even mind for some of that optimistic extremes to be readapted to future iterations to a degree similar to what modern theme parks are doing with fusing 2017 DuckTales elements with the modern interpretations.
My favorite iteration of Minnie is Disney Dreamlight Valley, if you count it. She’s given interests- baking, gardening, etc.- and her dynamic with Mickey is really cute and the sort of things Mickey says about her and their whole story really convinced me that they’re a real couple- not just sunshine and rainbows, but a realistic couple
I can definitely see why you went with Paul Rudish Mickey, with that Mickey being the most he's ever done in so long, embodying what Mickey's all about whilst deconstructing his character. In my opinion, though, I have to give it to Runaway Brain for actually doing something experimental with Mickey, whilst still maintaining what makes Mickey, well, Mickey. In addition to the Freaky Friday scenario with Julius that would have made for the most out of character, yet still entertaining as hell version of Mickey if it was just Mickey, we get a Mickey who feels a lot more down to earth by comparison to his more magical counterparts. He's not just a trickster or a callously positive guy; the mouse is down on his luck and is losing himself, from getting addicted to video games to the point of distracting himself from having a living, to quite literally losing himself from the body swapping. As for Mortimer, I feel that, as much as he was a trickster ladies' man in his debut, he was also a clear coward, as he also is in his appearances in stuff like House of Mouse. Contrast this with my pick for him, Paul Rudish Mortimer, where he hasn't any cowardice. This is the absolute steal your girl, merciless trickster who dedicated his life to making Mickey Mouse's life absolute Hell to the point where it even made Pete jealous. But hey, this is all my preferences.
I've always said that Minnie Mouse was a sort of secret weapon in the 2013 series - a character who you thin is just _there_ but has some secretly great moments - like when was pulling the brakes on a fast-moving trolley, gains muscles, and then does her little _tee-hee_ while roided out and getting applauded! In the Australian cartoon, all she says is "that's nice, hon" over and over again, but it was done whimsically (I think so)! There's one in-between frame in Mickey's dream where he's going to kiss Princess Minnie, then she barks like Pluto, and that frame makes her look, well.... I hope you can find it; it's quick!
This is a great video! Reminds me of that jelloapocalypse video where he dissects the scooby doo cast, but this one actually feels like you actually covered all your bases and watched all the big staples of the franchises! Not only that, but you are making a good point to genuinely weigh each piece of media against the others and not just letting your biases get in the way (something jello could learn from). I’m a new viewer so I don’t know how big you are on scooby doo, but I’d love to see your take on best versions of each Scooby gang (plus extras like scrappy, scooby dumb, Marcy, Batman, etc)
Jello’s video was more or less a “that’s his opinion” type of video, where he used the platform to speak his thoughts on an idea, and was very much focused on hypotheticals and potential future iterations. Though, I haven’t watched the video in a bit, so do correct me if I’m wrong on something.
Nah, the best Mickey was in the Ducktales reboot in the season 2 finale. But seriously, this was a really insightful video; and although I haven’t seen all of the characters’ appearances, I enjoyed your choices, reasons, and the video all together.
I asked my bf what his favorite Mickey iteration is, and he immediately replied with the short Runaway Brain, where Mickey is kind of an irresponsible manchild that puts off obligations to play video games. It's a pretty out-there characterizarion for him, but I weirdly think it works!
Don Rosa's Scrooge is my favorite Scrooge, but DT17's Donald is my favorite Donald. My favorite Panchito and Jose are Lot3C's interpretation (I also really like Jaime Camil's voice for Panchito). Though their original appearances are wonderful as well. DT17 is the ONLY healthy relationship between Daisy and Donald, and it is gorgeous! The Goofy shorts reveal that Goofy's real name is George, and I don't think that's ever been retconned or debunked. And I accept it because I like the idea of Goofy having a normal first name and just going by a nickname derived from his last name because it suits him so well. And yeah, A Goofy Movie was his best appearance.
The three musketeers was one of my favorite movies as a kid, and it still kinda is now. Bad Guy Song is unironically in my top 3 best villain songs, and Pete is just so unapologetically evil, and I love him so much. Very glad this was the version picked.
I think Minnie's best versions are Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and The House of Mouse. I honestly would argue that everyone's best version is their version in The House of Mouse. I mean, it not only was such a great crossover show and SUPER iconic... But Disney nailed the characteristics of each character so well in a comedic manner. I especially love that one episode when it was all about The Three Caballeros, and everyone was obsessed over the group EXCEPT forgot Donald was apart of it. Donald's struggle in that show, being misunderstood and quick to rage was absolutely the perfect illustration of his character for me. And when Mickey tried his best to bring everyone together and to be optimistic, but also showing how much he loved being the spotlight; that worked, too. He was so busy focusing on keeping the show going that he forgot about his friends, even though he loves and cares for them. And Goofy was exceptionally good as the waiter- Max was GREAT- Daisy was on-spot... It all was perfect in my opinion. (I also gotta mention Ludwig Von Drake- in the Christmas House of Mouse episodes- Okay the part with him and his version from another time was my favorite version of him- and when he was in The Nutcracker.)
I *almost* disagree with you on Pete, but I love "The Three Musketeers" so it wins. I almost said him in "A Goofy Movie" was at his best, especially the hot tub scene. Just the way he says "My son respects me..." is just so chilling. That whole scene is a masterclass in fantastic voice acting.
I know he is a pretty minor character in the wider Mickey Mouse canon. But growing up on the Donald Duck comics (that's what the Dutch version of the Mickey Mouse comics were called)... man Ducktales Gyro Gearloose was such a breath of fresh air, he actually gets to have a personality besides being smart, and while his inventions going haywire was even present in those comics it happened much more in the cartoon which gave him much much more of a character
To me, when it comes to ranking Donald, I agree on Ducktales reboot's version being the best. The second to me would be his Legend of 3 Caballeros incarnation with his Kingdom Hearts version being third. But that's just me.
14:20 well there is mickey mouse clubhouse as it does kind of show that while for a large portion of his character is a thoughtless bad guy pete has a bit of heart in him. an example of this is in mickey’s great clubhouse hunt where his given opportunity to abandon mickey and take over his clubhouse but ultimately makes the right choice and saves him. though this characterization is pretty clearly because the show is for preschoolers to me it shows that even the most ruthless scums have some good in them.
I like the more “mature” take on Donald in DT 2017, but nothing will ever beat the Donald of the original shorts. An absolutely hilarious immature asshole that could always dish it out but could never ever take it without losing his temper.
personally I think both Mickey and Minnie's best appearances are in the most recent short "Once Upon A Studio" I know they don't appear much, but their relationship feels very clear. They are a couple in love, very likely married, but also the leaders of the studio Mickey feels polite and positive, and he also acts like a natural leader that somehow managed to be friends with everybody And Minnie also shows this leader side, a bit stricter than Mickey's but still elegant, perfectly portrayed through her line "Let's move it, gentlemen!" when coming in the men's changing room while keeping her eyes covered
I don't know if it's the best, but i've heard that the comic version of scrooge mcduck is a very deep and interesting version of him. makes sense cause this is where he was created
Sometime it's nice to have a girly girl character, like sometime you don't need every villain to have a tragic backstory, some just enjoy being evil and its fun to watch
Anyone can say all they want with 2017 Donald, and while yes i do agree thats the best of the character so far, to me personally however, his pair up classic cartoon shorts with chip n dale and spike the bee are the best in my book and is the reason why i love the character or cartoons as a whole in the first place. Also, i love quack pack, sure its not perfect but it is what it is, a mid 90s show with just a 90s take on the duck family. To me an underrated and overhated series.
There is one source which nails basically every character and was missed here: The comics. I've heard that for some reason they aren't popular in the US but wow, do I recommend them. They're basically their own thing and have a lot of great details exclusive to them. For the characters, the most notable for this discussion have to include Mickey (who is consistently down-to-earth, snarky and with a passion for detective work - I don't know if this pops up anywhere else), Daisy (no-nonsense, tough as nails and hard working), Pete (almost exclusively a wanted criminal, sly and very resourceful) and plenty of others, not to mention all the exclusives. The comics also have in my opinion the very best Donald & triplets story, this being Super Snooper Strikes Again (code D 91076).
And bring in Roxanne with him, a friend if he's a child, girlfriend if they are older. She is missed, and her only other appearance after the movie, an episode of House of Mouse, was appreciated.
I really, REALLY do. Disney has been giving so much love to Ducktales, Chip and Dale, reboots, revivals, etc., but none whatsoever to Max. It's unfair how they've just been randomly excommunicated from the brand. To a degree, I understand. Max is a story heavy character, which I truly appreciate. I would love for another Goofy Movie or, even better, a Goofy Movie series that takes place between the two movies. Just anything good, really.
the comics are by far the best versions of these guys! let's hope we get a ducktales style adaptation of various classic mickey mouse comics some day. the 1930s ones are way to dark for modern disney, but something from the 60s to the modern era could work really well. i NEED to see the phantom blot in a proper cartoon!
I never realized how many Pinocchio characters have appeared in Mickey Mouse shorts, and honestly it makes me surprised I’ve never seen some bogus bounced-around cartoon internet theory claiming that Pinocchio and the Mickey Mouse universe are in the same world where Mickey and all of his fellow anthropomorphic neighbors are just regular people that all got transformed into animals like the kids being turned into donkeys Hey, I’ve seen real cartoon theories with *way* bigger stretches lol
...a lot of ducks-verse missing, tho: Beagle Boys, Magica, Gyro... I mean... of course both DuckTales, anyway... And I would like to mention others, like Gladstone, Phantom Blot, but I'm using my Italian mentality, where we used a lot of obscure characters (Fethry, Grandma Duck...) and we also have a crap-ton of Superhero alter-egos... I'll shut up.
Excluding the comics pretty much massively limits your potential picks. When it comes to the animated stuff there is only a very small hanful of them that actually explores the characters in any kind of meaningful way so it's not even a real contest for like 90% of the characters.
You really should dive into the comics. Mickey as a PI is really a whole new field of ideas for him to work with. Carl Barks pretty much defined these characters early on.
Just gonna pin some thoughts on House of Mouse since I keep seeing comments about it:
As much as I do find House of Mouse charming, I couldn’t get into how little actual original content there was since it was really a big vehicle for MouseWorks cartoons (which are pretty meh imo), so I didn’t think it held much weight for this particular project (though I agree that Minnie and Daisy are pretty good there).
And ultimately, the appeal of the original sections of House of Mouse really wasn’t the Mickey Mouse stuff, it was all the other Disney stuff. I’d much rather credit more defined and dedicated Mickey Mouse projects as the best versions.
Also love people commenting assuming I haven’t seen it even though I used a clip of it for the Ludwig von Drake section lol.
Honestly, I liked the Mickey's Mouseworks cartoons. I thought they gave some of the characters (like Mickey) a lot more character. But then, I find the Paul Rudish cartoons kind of obnoxious. So . . . my tastes are my own.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing that Ducktales was the best version of Donald but I do think "Legend of the Three Caballeros" deserved at least a mention during the Donald part.
I was surprised that it was only used for Ludwig.
Yes house of mouse was so good for the characters and how I always think of Mickey and Minnie
@@AdamYJI can’t stand the look of the Paul Rudish cartoons but I love the Mouse Works toons. So you’re not alone, though we sadly seem to be the minority.
Donald in the Ducktales reboot deserves more credit. Not only did this man became a single father of three overnight, but he immediately seeked help for his anger issues so he could be the father the triplets deserve.
Bro was able to overcome his anger issues. That's all he needs to make him one of the best Donalds.
Oh wait he is the best
@@chadgorosaurus4898 bro your everywhere
And at the end of the series, he takes in June and May. He’s such a good parental figure in that show. He’s definitely my favorite Donald as of late.
his fight when he was on the moon was great lol he loves his nephews so much it's great
Personally I think Minnie’s best iteration is House of Mouse, an underrated show that STILL isn’t out on Disney+ for some idiotic reason.
that's what i was thinking too
I feel the same way about the Mickey+Donald+Goofy dynamic. They had some stellar cartoons in that show.
I was going to say the same for daisy. I really like that version.
House of Mouse really nailed the characters. Even the awkward aged up Max is really fun there!
Yeah I always wanted House Of Mouse on Disney+ which begs the question where the heck is it after all this time?.
I always did love David Tennant’s take on Scrooge, where his tone and demeanor still sounds like that of an old man, but his actual voice gives off a youthful vigor fitting for an adventurer with more than a century’s worth of practice who has no intention of slowing down
I still prefer Alan Young's Scrooge. He sounds more like someone whose entire life has been a great adventure but also like someone who needs to be reminded that he has a family and not be distracted by all the wealth he has accumulated over the course of his life. More similar to how Carl Barks wrote the character. Tennant's Scrooge is more like Don Rosa's Scrooge, who is generally more expressive and youthful despite his age.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I like both Alan Young, and David Tennant. While Young's Scrooge is more in line with Carl Bark's Scrooge, Tennant's Scrooge is more in line with Don Rosa's Scrooge, and they both work in their own unique way.
Your description of Tennant's version of Scrooge. In other words... the Doctor.
I dig Alan Young's take on Scrooge (especially for the updated Duck Tales video game, where the original cast reprised their roles), but I do prefer what Tennant did with the character.
While I do love Alan Young, I just prefer David Tennant as Scrooge McDuck.
He’s an actual adventurer who craved through the glory days, compared to Alan Young’s more businessman demeanor.
@@Launchpad05 how many scrooges have there been lmao
I feel the most fleshed out Minnie whenever she has her bow boutique
Having her trait being her love for fashionable bows is fun,and seeing a female lead has a hard working business woman is really nice
I will also argue that that is the best minne and daisy relationship. Like they really care about eachother
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
I was thinking that same thing, I remember it being really cute and it's really nice seeing her run a business
Yeah somehow her best iterations are her theme park appearances bc she’s always wearing some crazy new beautiful costume, which really emphasizes that she loves fashion and bows. She outshines Mickey in so many of those. Plus shoutout to the time where she was like THE captain of the cruise ship lmao
Oh my god I remember that show-
I really like the Mickey/Donald/Goofy dynamic in Three Musketeers, but my favorite is definitely Kingdom Hearts. They don’t get a ton of time together, but you can tell how much they care for each other.
Exactly! They care so much about each other (and their boy Sora)- also they can do cool magic and moves there lol
Fave moment is KH2.
Seeing Micky get *angry*, throw his cloak off and just utter calmly but furious, "They'll pay...", after it seemed like Goofy bit the dust and Donald, no hesitation, fly into a rage and charging forward to avenge his friend said so much in just a few moments of screen time.
Close second is "ZETA-FLARE!" Micky was *surprised* but NOT Goofy, giving he said "Donald No!".
What have those two been up too that he knows that spells and Goofy knows he can cast it?
I'm also gonna have to check but I think that makes Donald the only character without a key blade to ice an organization member on the good side.
What I’ve learned from this video:
The Ducktales Reboot was phenomenal and I was a complete fool to drop it halfway through Season 1.
Yep. You were
Yup you gotta watch that shit. Its so good and honestly one of the best reboots Ive ever seen. How they tackled the characters and the interactions between them is amazing! Dewey being my favorite
I just watched the whole show for the second time and it’s another one of those just awesome series
I feel House of Mouse got overlooked. With your qualifications, it's probably the best version of Daisy, Claribelle, potentialy Horace (though I haven't played Epic Mickey) and especially Minnie, who has the most defined role she ever had as the stage manager for the show who's the linchpin holding the operation together. It also has a pretty good max, since he's not a teen per say so he has a lot of his Goofy Movie traits without the teenager baggage.
I'd argue the "get a horse" is the best version of Horace.
@@__Soya__he doesnt even have a speaking role there tho
@@fizzy69o.0 You don’t need a voice to have a personality ;)
@@__Soya__ good point, i just think he has a kinda more developed personality in some other shorts, games etc
@@fizzy69o.0 You might be right but him eating popcorn and just loving life while Mickey and Pete fight is comedy gold.
To me, Minnie's best iteration is the Twice Upon a Christmas short of her and Daisy competing against each other in an ice skating competition.
She's shown as flawed and talented, and it goes to show how much she and Daisy care for each other even if they get heated at times.
Yeah I loved that
I literally just wrote like two paragraphs about this before realizing your comment was here. Needless to say I completely agree
I was really waiting for the mention of Twice Upon a Christmas. The relationship between Minnie and Daisy was especially strong there, and it’s a great character study putting them in conflict together but respecting their existing friendship
I thought it was weird how quickly they turned on each other, though. I guess it _is_ characterization, but it's still not _characteristic_ for them at all. In my opinion, anyways.
Minnie being largely defined by her dynamic with Mickey reminds me a little how the characters of Peach and Amy are growing to be defined as more than just "the girl" and "the romance association".
I was thinking a lot about Peach while he was talking about Minnie.
But even with the similarities, Peach has had numerous games over the years where she actually has more of a character.
She's a kind-hearted, bubbly girl, but she's also confident, determined, and has magic powers.
She's still very much a stereotypical girl character in a lot of ways, but that's fine. She's had loads of cool moments in the RPG series, and even in mainline games on occasion, with her 3D Land postcards showing her attempting to escape Bowser. I'd love to see a game where she tears down Bowser's forces from the inside.
And of course, there's also the upcoming Princess Peach: Showtime, which is letting her get some more time to herself to shine.
The movie didn't really know what to do with her, and ended up changing her personality entirely, which was quite a shame, honestly. The fact that they opted to reinvent her character instead of working with what she is in the games is dumb.
When it comes to Amy, I'm not sure what to even think about her anymore. Obviously it's not a good idea to keep her Sonic obsession around, but it feels like they haven't really found a way for her to stand out without it. Hope they find a way for her to stand out soon though, because it's clear that the series is better when she's around.
personally, I think the best route to take her character at this point is to keep her a massive simp when she's around Sonic, but then also give her more screen time with other characters where she can be herself, best of both worlds. Sadly Sega will never do this since they're insistent on making sonic/amy work as a hypothetical couple, which is really the big thing keeping her in the all too common trope of "the girl character"@@DaNintendude
@@DaNintendude you spitting facts right there
Also, I know Peach is a very stereotypical girl like you said, but I started to absolutely love it when I realised that she was essentially just a Magical Girl
I mean, at least Amy has some character besides just "Sonic Obsessed"
@@frostthewolf1443 Indeed she does, it seems like she's unofficially become the "magic" in a "tech, nature, magic" trio of themes in Sonic (Tails is tech, Knux is nature) and also the lover of the concept of love.
There's another side to Mickey's character that, IMO, isn't discussed nearly enough. He's Walt Disney's cartoon son. In projects like "Epic Mickey," the Paul Rudish shorts, or even "Once Upon a Studio," we can see that Mickey has grieved Walt's death, and tries to follow in his footsteps. He's also faced the expectations of living up to Walt's legacy, and still being a leader, hero, and entertainer for everyone. Mickey's not just happy all the time; he's learned to accept happiness while accepting, and overcoming, tremendous hardship. It makes you appreciate him more in that regard.
I’m so glad that you highlighted the hot tub scene from A Goofy Movie, even if briefly. That scene is frankly one of the more understated pieces of drama from a Disney film, and it honestly became a way deeper exchange once I became a parent myself. Easily the best part of that movie
Yeah, especially because even before that scene, you got snippets of the way Pete raised PJ. From the way PJ is initially being very apprehensive about Max’s plan to impress Roxanne with his dad’s camera being involved, to him being scared of being crushed like a bug due to getting detention and the way Pete basically controls PJ and messes with his emotions during the camping scene.
It’s that kind of subtle storytelling that really elevates A Goofy Movie from being a fun side movie to being one of their best character writing-wise.
In the videogame Epic Mickey and Epic Mickey 2, Pete has a shockingly complex character, being aware about his role as a villain in the media but not personally aligning with it. It's really interesting.
Wreck it Ralf's Zangiffe moment with that one.
"Just cause you are bad guy does not mean you are bad *guy*."
it's like wreck it ralph!
My favorite version of Mickey Mouse has always been the Paul Rudish shorts. They let him be absolutely insane. Disney’s usually super protective, but those shorts are just so hog wild.
I love seeing him be a complete rat.
How I describe Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse:
A likeable asshole
Just going to say, you're REALLY missing out on some great incarnations of these characters by totally ignoring the comics. The classic Disney chars have appeared in comics since the old days... started with the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic strip, and the spin-off Donald Duck comic strip, both of which later spun off to proper comic book stories.
The entire Ducktales show is based on the old Donald Duck comics written and drawn by Carl Barks, who invented and introduced Scrooge McDuck (in 1947, 20 years before he showed up in animation and 40 years before the first Ducktales, which was essentially a watered-down and kiddified adaptation of Barks's comics) and pretty much all the supporting cast.
The 2017 Ducktales is a revival that takes more from later comics, especially THE BEST DISNEY COMIC EVER, "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck," the story of Scrooge's life from a poor shoeshine boy in Glasgow to multi-trillionaire in Duckburg. Apparently this comic was mandatory reading for everyone that worked on the show, and though they take a lot of liberties with it (in the show Scrooge's parents are alive, but in the comic a big turning point is their deaths), you can really see how it shaped how they wrote and thought of Scrooge as a character.
The Mickey Mouse comics are where characters like Clarabelle, Horace, and Morty and Ferdie really shine. Horace especially in the early Mickey Mouse comic is just a really fun character. There's also some pretty good comics with Minnie and Clarabelle... the comics tended to keep Donald and his family a little separated from Mickey and the crew (they really only meet up on special occasions) so Minnie never really hung out with Daisy. Instead we got quite a few stories with Minnie and Clarabelle as friends and partners as they tried their hand on things like entering a talent show together, or opening a restaurant together... In these story you got Minnie as the sometimes exasperated but usually supportive "straight woman" to Clarabelle's antics, which really worked.
Just... it's kind of sad that Americans don't even know about the Disney comics. The Disney characters are American, after all... but as comic stars Americans don't even know them. And here in Europe we LOVE Disney comics, which are still being made and printed to this very day.
Oh, I’m well aware of the Disney comics (mostly thanks to how much inspiration DuckTales takes from them). Unfortunately, as much as I’ve tried in the past, I’ve never really been able to get into comics of any kind. It’s just not my thing. I’m really glad certain characters, especially Minnie, seem to get a lot more love there. Ultimately, the video is just my opinion and is limited by what I’ve been exposed to. If your favorite versions of these characters are from these comics, that’s awesome.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon See, I mostly reacted when you said Morty and Ferdie had "only been in three things, ever," and that's just wrong. They've been in countless comics.
Really, it's because of Morty and Ferdie that Huey, Dewey and Louie even exist... Morty and Ferdie were pretty big presences in the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic, and when Donald got his own spinoff, in the early years he shared a supporting cast with Mickey. Morty and Ferdie showed up quite often to prank and torment him. After a while, though, it was decided to just give Donald his own nephews instead of having him rely on Mickey's... and as a way of one-upping Mickey, Donald got THREE bratty identical nephews instead of just two.
@@dinam3236 well he did disclaim this was a ranking of all the more well known versions and not a fully comprehensive list, so it makes sense that the comics didn't get their time to shine here, though he might cover in them in a future video maybe.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon what about comics as a medium puts you off? Genuinely curious.
@@dinam3236I live in Germany and read the Comic all the time and never noticed, that the Americans don't have them.
But did they got the OG Carl Barks Comics?
I don't think it's fair to call being a "hopeless romantic" a "negative" or uninteresting character trait. The hopeless romantic is a very interesting trope and character M.O. and it's a relatively positive one.
It's negative because it's the only thing she has. Maybe when Mickey was still new to everyone, it was fine having Minnie have a very simple yet obvious role of just Mickey's love interest, but despite all the stories going by, she's still a hopeless romantic
House of Mouse did pretty well of showing the characters in a 'modern' setting.
That said, I actually like Quack Pack because it allows the triplets to age like Max.
The main mistake they made in House of Mouse is making Donald's nephews sound just like Donald, instead of sounding like boys or from the OG Ducktales. And I don't like how they made Donald into asshole. But the rest of that series is ok.
I really think Disney is overprotective of Mickey. I can see so many potential Mickey Mouse movies and television shows that aren’t aimed at toddlers, such as a Wizards of Mickey television series.
All companies are overprotective of their mascots.
well we can mess with him ourselves once he goes public domain(note: only the steamboat willie short mickey not the whole ip)
Wizards of Mickey...a name I didn't hear in a long time
The Paul Rudish Mickey shorts (2013-2023) are the perfect example of a good and creative use of this legendary character
@TheHalloweenSpirit
It's gotta be either that or the Italian comics where he's a detective.
To be honest, for Mickey my favorite version has to be either shorts or Epic Mickey. Both have given me great nostalgic memories and they just pop to mine when thinking of Mickey.
Im still upset we never got the thinner mickey from the concept art-i liked how messed up he looked
FINALLY, SOMEONE BRINGS UP EPIC MICKEY
FINALLY, SOMEONE BRINGS UP EPIC MICKEY
Classic Mickey is absolutely my favorite design, though that's not to tear down the newer depictions, they are just as iconic. It's just that I associate them with more child friendly, clean shows and such, while the other has always kept that edge.
I think the House of mouse rendition of Minnie and Daisy are the best, mini is shown to be very reliable, intelligent, and the backbone of the club to make sure it stays running give me a head that no other important character, there was an episode where she even quit the house, and mouse was literally in shambles. That goes to show how much her core value is for that shelf. And Daisy has her duck tales characters same time you see how she dreams to be a star by knowing all the celebrities that come through the clubhouse and how she always try to get her chance to shine by this morning and stage. Both of these characteristics from those characters definitely still out for me and that show.
The other nice understated thing with Daisy was she wanted to *EARN* her stardom.
On more than one occasion she could have easily used her connections with the others, Donald, other outside forces to get that but she always wanted to put the work in even if she sometimes was played to be spacy. Her unique gifts were what she wanted to get her places.
There's something respectable about that.
What a great observation that Disney doesn’t really play around with Mickey too much since that’s THE brand mascot. And I think that’s definitely related to why Minnie has so few versions and different characterizations as well.
The best version of Minnie is specifically her Kingdom Hearts 2 iteration. She gets a whole speedrun strategy related to pushing her across a long hallway and that's the most attention she's got ever
I am weak I am crying I am wheezing and dying it is 2:30am and this is the funniest RUclips comment I have ever read
As a person from a country where the main focus is on Donald Duck (and Mickey is treated like a side character), calling all these "Mickey Mouse Characters" is kind of triggering😂
I'm so sad that minnie can't stand out by herself, She's literally the most iconic female cartoon character, Disney could've gave her more.
I do still enjoy her appearences, she's sweet, pritty, caring and absolutely my favorite! she deserves more love❤
Donald and Scrooge are uncles to Huey, Dewey and Louie. Meaning we've never met their actual father.
For me, the best incarnations of a good number of these characters are the comic book incarnations including runs from European markets like Italy. Mickey Mouse in the comics is basically like Tintin, an adventurer who takes on all sorts of criminals, his main arch nemesis in the comics isn't Pete but a character called the Phantom Blot who is a creation of the original Mickey Mouse comic strips from the 30s but doesn't get used much in animated projects and most of time as in the Ducktales reboot, not as an antagonist for Mickey.
If you like the DT reboot version of Donald Duck then you will love the old Scrooge McDuck comics where he along with the nephews goes along with Scrooge on his adventures, the Italian comics REALLY love Donald Duck (and the rest of the Duck characters), going as far to give an extremely popular superhero identity called Paperinik (Duck Avenger) that had several series over the years as well as a secret agent in the series Double Duck.
Trivia time, Donald's therapist in the reboot episode is actually a character from the comics who's Donald's neighbor, whom he has a bitter rivalry with.
Goofy in the comics isn't all that different but he did have a long running series where he became a superhero called Super Goof went he eats super powered peanuts. The House of Mouse even had an episode dedicated to that concept. Though in Goofy's case, my favorite version is the Goof Troop/Goofy Movie version.
I've only read the 30's American comics, but I agree, the comics are a big improvement on the characters. Nice to see a fellow Tintin enjoyer.
Of course, let's not forget 'life and times of Scrooge mcduck' arguably the best Scrooge story ever told.
You said phantom blot and I had epic Mickey flashbacks.
Edit: just got to the epic Mickey bits. Got smacked with nostalgia again.
As an Italian who owns like 30-ish mickey comics, I'm happy that someone on the internet remembered them at all. I mean, come on, he's basically a detective for most of the police oriented stories! And when he's not the detective, he's justa regular guy looking for adventure!
Also, side note, I even own the Paperinik (Duck Avenger) PS2 video game made by ubisoft and if you are wondering, it's just a mediocre Rayman ripoff lol
@@jimbi0768 Right, I should have said: "A worse version of rayman" or maybe "A rayman clone"
But yeah, it's still a lesser Rayman
While i adore Scrooge in Ducktales, i will always think of the comic run “The Life and Times of Scrooge Mcduck” by Don Rosa. Its not only my favorite version af scrooge but also one of my favorite comic books ever. He has so much life and complexity. Seeing him grow from a hopeful kid to the lonely old man really struck a nerve with me.
Probably my favorite iteration of Mickey would probably be Epic Mickey, as it tests him as a character and forces him to deal with a massive issue he caused, as well as make him a badass.
I'd say one of Mickey's best roles is in the short "Runaway Brain." He's depicted as a more mischievous everyman thrown into a bizarre horrific situation (sort of reminiscent of "The Mad Doctor"), and he's got a sort of scrappiness to him while also being relatable.
He's also a gamer in that one, so make of that what you will.
The Goofy/Max segment in Twice Upon a Christmas is a pretty spectacular take on their relationship as well. It's the one where Max brings a girl home to meet his dad after being off on his own, and it ends up with Max kind of finally seeing his dad for who he is in that way that we only can after growing up and looking at our parents again through the eyes of an adult.
I think for Mickey, and especially Minnie, the early 2000's Mickey Mouse Works/House of Mouse era shouldn't be overlooked. They still had a bit of that edge to them, while still recognizably the same friendly characters. This actually goes for the whole cast imo. The House of Mouse specials, Mouse Works in general, and Runaway Brain are all great to this day. And of course, animation aside, the long, long history of the characters in comics. Similar to mascots like Mario and Sonic having some pretty extensive and deep lore in comics, there's a lot that most people may never see, stuff that really puts each and every character out there for some of their best stories in their respective franchise histories.
Minnie Mouse ❤ I never really had much to say about her… until I met her character at Disney World. Whichever cast member was playing her totally nailed it. Easily the best character interaction by a long ways. Super expressive and engaged in seeing what autographs my family had collected, and kept having us pose for pictures in different ways.
I couldn't be happier with your Mickey choice. I quickly fell in love with the Paul Rudish shorts and love the direction they went with Mickey; he's optimistic, well-meaning, and occasionally a little unhinged and mischievous. It feels like they took bits of his personality from all his previous incarnations and combined them, and strangely enough, it makes for one of if not the most memorable version of the character.
They just put all of his traits that made mickey over the past couple decades into a neat little bundle and put a bow on it 👏 ^^
For Jiminy, I'm gonna say his best iteration is in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. He's always looking out for Sora and being his voice of reason when Goofy and Donald can't get through to him. He's patient and never gives up on Sora, even forgiving Sora for snapping at him like the moody teen he was in that game. Jiminy realized Sora was going through a LOT.
If comics also count for best versions, the absolute best version of Scrooge is Don Rosa's interpretation of the old Carl Barks comics. Life And Times of Scrooge McDuck might well be my favorite comic book of all time.
As for Donald's anger issues, I like to credit it due to the fact he is a WW2 veteran. This also ties in with the old Ducktales where he literally leaves the nephews with Scrooge, being enlisted in the navy. In older (WW2) cartoons he also fights in various roles. Even real life is canon with this as Donald has been officially honorably discharged in 1984 as Sergeant. So, basically, Donald deals with PTSD while taking care of his sister's kids
As an extraordinaire on all things Epic Mickey, Mickey Mouse, Sensational Six, and Duckverse, I was astonished that Epic Mickey Mickey didn't win best version of his character. I'd argue it's the most "real" his character has ever been, and that's not just due to the meta nature of Epic Mickey as a whole but due to the arc he goes through in that game and how he comes to grips with the responsibility for his actions and the relationship he has to build with his brother he never knew, while traversing the ravaged ending point for all his co-stars abandoned in the past.
Also, no Ortensia appearance?
Other than that, _beautiful_ video. It was very in-depth, very well-research, and you really pulled out all the stops in your character selection. From the smallest chipmunk to the grandest wizard, you really covered them all. I guess it was a bit sad that Della didn't get a mention, but then again, that best version goes without saying.
I agree that The Three Musketeers is a masterpiece and probably did the most for these age-old character dynamics, along with reintroducing the characters to a more modern audience in the early 2000s. It definitely has the greatest iteration of Mickey, Donald and Goofy as a trio, the Mickey and Pete rivalry, the Pete and Donald dynamic, and Clarabelle. This was a very intriguing watch, thank you!
To be fair Ortensia and Della aren't really Mickey Mouse characters
SO agreed on Epic Mickey Mickey being the best interpretation
@@__Soya__They most certainly are. One is literally Mickey's sister-in-law, and the other is THE Donald Duck's twin sister
@@MysteryToonGamer They don't ever interact with Mickey though. By your logic momma Pete should be on this list.
@@__Soya__Interacting with Mickey is not what makes a character a "Mickey Mouse" character. If that was the case, Scrooge wouldn't count, because him and Mickey seldom interact. Also by that logic, Maleficient or Hades are also "Mickey Mouse" characters because they interact with Mickey a lot throughout House of Mouse. Barring that, Ortensia and Mickey do interact. Mickey's friends in the Sensational Six and their family members all qualify as Mickey Mouse characters. Oswald and Donald qualifying and Ortensia and Della not makes no sense
Donald and Goofy in Kingdom Hearts, totally. I love watching them and how they somewhat treat Sora like their son, really builds up their friendship in a fun way!
I felt relieved when Three Musketeers Pete won the place for best Pete. The way he just roast himself while also hyping himself up during his villain song always makes me smile
I personally think the comics have the best version of everyone in duckburg.
I agree. Especialy Don Rosa's Scrooge for me is the definitive version of him.
@@jimbi0768 The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck was fantastic, and I agree that it has the absolute best portrayal of Scrooge McDuck. I honestly just can't see Scrooge as anyone but THAT Scrooge no matter how many times he's changed within his appearances in animation
Goofy is one of my favorite characters solely because of The Goofy Movie because that movie gets so deep sometimes and every time that one line comes along “I’ve got my own life now Dad!”/“I know that! I just want to be a part of it..!” It hurts because I can’t help but think about my Dad because I’m a teenager now and he always wants to be with me and my sisters and it really just makes me respect Goofy more as a Dad 🫡🫡
I just have to say this but loved how you respectfully said Jose's and Panchito's names in their native language accent. Kinda shows your a respectful dude of culture.
Actually, I’m just Hispanic lol. As it turns out I was actually pronouncing José’s name wrong as it’s pronounced differently in Brazilian/Portuguese. But I appreciate the compliment!
As someone with nostalgic fondness for The Three Musketeers I'm very happy to see the praise you gave it here for how it handled certain characters, definitely agree with the analysis on Pete in it, guy was an absolute menace of an antagonist.
I think the only recurring Mickey Mouse characters you may have missed are the Phantom Blot, Ortensia, the Mad Doctor and the Lonesome Ghosts. I guess PJ could be a stretch, but he's as old as Max and is in all the same popular main appearances as him.
The little pigs and specially the Big Bad Wolf are also sort of Mickey Mouse characters.
There was actually a version of the script with The Mad Doctor in it, but I decided to exclude him since he was only ever in his original short and the Epic Mickey games (ignoring cameos lol). Phantom Blot first appeared in animation in 1987, so a little past my general deadline of the 60s. Same with PJ (Max made it in on the technicality of a 50s Goofy short featuring a “version of Max”). Ortensia did sorta just slip my mind, but her entry would’ve ended up so similar to Oswald’s that I don’t think it would’ve been worth it.
There's also the supporting Pluto cast (Fifi the Pekingese, Dinah the dachshund and Butch the bulldog), Chip & Dale's love interest Clarice, Ranger Woodlore and Chernabog (he's interacted with the main 3 enough to count I would assume, particularly in Kingdom Hearts, the Paul Rudish cartoons and that one commercial with Michael Eisner in it)
If you count the comics, there's also Gyro Gearloose and Magica De Spell (she just barely made the cutoff year 1961).
@@TheCartoonBaffoon That's all fair!
then again, I feel Ortensia would just be shoved with Oswald as Epic Mickey is their best roles
Also missed Gus Goose. But he appeared more in comics.
Personally, I love Minnie’s personality in the House of Mouse. She’s serving girl boss, but still sweet and loving. It’s my favourite version of her.
I like your analysis on Donald Duck's depictions through various cartoons. 'DuckTales 2017' keeps his anger, and rage while challenging his responsibilities as A parent. I also find it funny that while Mickey has become the 'corporate mascot', Donald became more popular globally due to his more relatable tendencies.
I love the mainstay Mickey cast a lot, but it would be great to see Max and Oswald become more prominent. Having Max would help further Goofy’s fatherly personality and could lead to a lot of stories for kids to relate to, since the other characters are adults, seemingly. I think Oswald in this day and age is more known as the living embodiment of ‘cartoon’, since in his latest short he does things like turn his ears into a pair of scissors. Including him more often could be great for inducing some fun hijinks for the rest of the cast to bounce off of.
After talking about Epic Mickey in both Oswald and Horace, I was expecting the Shadow Blot to be next. Mickey has a long history with it and few people know it isn't an Epic Mickey Original.
I mean... Teeechnically the Shadow Blot is original in Epic Mickey since he has a different name, and a completely different character from the original Phantom Blot, he's basically Blot in last name only... But yeah, I was really rooting for them to get a mention, the Blots(both Phantom and Shadow, I guess) are really important to Mickey Mouse lore, and it's a shame they are ignored so much,
RIP Claribelle Cow
In all seriousness though, great video! I've been wanting someone to do an analysis on the different iterations of each character, and this was great! It makes me wish they would bring back some forgotten characters, like Max Goof and Oswald
I wouldn't really call Max a forgotten character
@@__Soya__You know what I mean. People haven't forgotten him, but Disney pretty much has
@@ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887 He still makes appearances every now and then. There just hasn't been any Goofy centered media in awhile.
Pete's best version is easily goof troop. He really is the actual main character, a lot of episodes revolve around Pete with Max/Goofy getting roped in. He's delightfully scummy with plenty of great lines.
Brazilian here. The best version of José Carioca is definitely the Disney comic books published in Brazil. It makes a huge difference when you see a Brazilian character written by Brazilians. Great video!
Why is that?
I wish we would have gotten some of the prominent Carl Barks characters too. Gyro Gearloose and Little Helper, Glomgold and Rockerduck, Gladstone Gander and especially the Beagle Boys, who my grandma compares me to, every time I wear a red hoodie. My grandpa loves these characters, and collects the comics to this day
You should try watching “House of Mouse”. It’s a very interesting take on a lot of these characters, especially Minnie, because they are all given specific, modern jobs to keep the club open and running. Mickey is the host, Goofy is a water, Minnie is club management, Pete’s the building owner. I actually LIKE Pete in that show because he isn’t just a dick he’s nice but just a bit of a hardass. And we also get to see some of Mickey’s original personality because the antics that go on in the club get on his nerves at times and his usual pushback is to be sassy about out.
I'm amazed that I keep hearing the KH music in the background, but it doesn't even get an individual spotlight in Donald and Goofy's sections. Like, ofc not their best version but still mention worthy
Horse Horsecollar, Mortimer Mouse and Ludwig von Drake definitely got a lot of their big moments in House of Mouse. I love the running gag of Mickey asking Horace what's wrong and Horace answers literally what's going on in the world before Mickey clarifies "No, what's wrong in here!" and Horace gives him the straight answer.
Mortimer Mouse from his first appearance in the short Mickey's Rival, was a regular antagonist in House of Mouse and he's very funny as the cocky, sly chiseler always trying to make a move on Minnie and taunt Mickey. Whenever he's just being a jerk and still getting his comeuppance, I always thought he was a lot of fun.
And while Ludwig von Drake's role in Fun and Fancy Free would be my second best, House of Mouse introduced me to Ludwig as the funny inventor who's gadgets always went haywire and also much love for his his big song number about where every Disney guest in the House of House sits.
Don’t brush off my boi, Pluto like that! He’s amazing! 😭 I’d argue that he used to be a lot more aggressive and violent in his earlier iterations. He’s still prone to anger, but not as aggressive as before. I like the mix of both, where he’s mostly sweet and kind, and when he does get angry, it isn’t as intense. Sorry, Pluto is just my favorite Mickey character😅
I'm not surprised this wasn't covered given how damn obscure it is, but there is one other version of Mickey that I think is at least worth mentioning: the italian comics. Started out in the 50s fairly faithful to his usual self, but his quick thinking and can do attitude have been completely recontextualized in modern times, turning him into an ace detective who is otherwise ironically too emotionally tangled up in his job. This kind of extends to Minnie too. Still exists as Mickey's girlfriend, though one who's way more emotionally mature than he is, and one that he sorely needs. If we're talking character dynamics, this perfect foil version of Mickey and Minnie is definitely my favorite. And if we want to talk about daring, boy, there's Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine, the 90s (again) Italian comic where Mickey goes noir and packs heat, seems to have been canned way too soon, not sure why...
It's something I would recommend if it was more readily available. The best shot is the IDW comics, all direct translation of the Italian joints.
And... one more thing about House of Mouse I think is worth mentioning... the Mickey MouseWorks shorts still count. And that Mickey is funny as hell to me because they tried making a thing the fact that he... really loves cheese. It was a character trait of his only this one time, in the 90s, in these silly ass cartoons from a post Roger Rabbit world. Seems like a byproduct of trying to make him a thing, not as much as Bugs Bunny is for WB, but in about the same way. Between this and Mystery Magazine (and even Runaway Brain, how could I forget), god damn were the 90s a wild time for Mickey.
From what I can tell Minnie's best is kingdom hearts. Mainly due to the fact that Mickey barely shows up and is running around the worlds. Meanwhile she is still fulfilling hee role as a ruler protecting and nurturing her world.
I think my favorite Minnie is the one from The House of Mouse, where she’s always making sure everything is under control
i will say that since you mentioned the preschool shows, i believe the best version of minnie would definitely be from the "Minnie's Bowtique" shorts. while giving her a watered down personality, i think she acts as the glue and the straight man to the sassy remarks of daisy and the rowdiness of cuckoo loca.
Great video! just a small correction. José Carioca’s name is pronounced “Joe-sé” not “Ho-sé”, it is a portuguese name, not a spanish one, that is also why he is credited as “Joe carioca” in the movies. The last time Disney pronounced correctly was in the short Two Happy amigos from 1960, it was also the last time he was voiced by his original voice actor, José Oliveira.
I think that the best and most important animated version of José Carioca was the one that was canceled. Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros was supposed to be a trilogy. The third movie, Cuban Carnival, was scrapped but one segment was already in production and was added to Melody Time as “blame to the samba”. The first half of the movie would be in Brazil where we would meet Maria Vaz, José’s girlfriend (a bird version of Yaya from The three Caballeros voiced by the same actress) and later they would go to Cuba and meet a new character in a similar way to Three Caballeros but I don’t think Panchito was going to be in the movie.
Although the movie was canceled, a short series of comic books about José and Maria Vaz (now renamed to Rosinha Vaz) was published in Europe, and after being released in Brazil, it was a huge success and became a comic series that only ended in 2018 on issue 2446*!
(*Donald and José comics shared the same issue number until 1985 so not all comics were about José).
The comic version of José is the most iconic version in Brazil and the one people remember the most and his personality is very different from the movies. Comic José is a poor, lazy man that does anything for money that doesn’t involve getting a job, he is very similar to the ducktales version of Louie Duck where both tries to get money with creative schemes. In the comics Rosinha is a rich woman and daughter of a bank owner called Rocha Vaz that hates José. Rosinha knows very well the type of man José is and although he (usually) doesn’t ask his girlfriend for money the social difference between them makes for some great stories.
It’s a shame that this version of the character was never animated, ever since José Oliveira passed away in the 80s he became “Panchito 2”. Nothing shows this more by the fact that they made a series where José is one of the main characters but they didn’t look at how to pronounce his name.
Someone else already pointed this out to me, but thx for letting me know! Sorry for the mispronunciation, I'm Hispanic myself and didn't think twice about the fact that he's Brazilian and thus would be pronounced differently. Really hope Disney gets on their game about properly representing this character through something as basic as his proper pronunciation.
The Three Musketeers, House of Mouse, and Kingdom Hearts I hold dear in regards to the main trio’s dynamic.
I seriously hope one day Disney allows Mickey to be written more like an actual character soon outside of the Mickey Mouse shorts and Kingdom Hearts. The overprotection the company has on him has robbed us from of a lot of potential stories that could be told with his modern design, especially in regards to what the 2017 DuckTales team wanted to do with him before the show ended. I wouldn’t even mind for some of that optimistic extremes to be readapted to future iterations to a degree similar to what modern theme parks are doing with fusing 2017 DuckTales elements with the modern interpretations.
My favorite iteration of Minnie is Disney Dreamlight Valley, if you count it. She’s given interests- baking, gardening, etc.- and her dynamic with Mickey is really cute and the sort of things Mickey says about her and their whole story really convinced me that they’re a real couple- not just sunshine and rainbows, but a realistic couple
I will never forgive her for that stupid clock tower. I still see clay in my nightmares
I can definitely see why you went with Paul Rudish Mickey, with that Mickey being the most he's ever done in so long, embodying what Mickey's all about whilst deconstructing his character. In my opinion, though, I have to give it to Runaway Brain for actually doing something experimental with Mickey, whilst still maintaining what makes Mickey, well, Mickey. In addition to the Freaky Friday scenario with Julius that would have made for the most out of character, yet still entertaining as hell version of Mickey if it was just Mickey, we get a Mickey who feels a lot more down to earth by comparison to his more magical counterparts. He's not just a trickster or a callously positive guy; the mouse is down on his luck and is losing himself, from getting addicted to video games to the point of distracting himself from having a living, to quite literally losing himself from the body swapping.
As for Mortimer, I feel that, as much as he was a trickster ladies' man in his debut, he was also a clear coward, as he also is in his appearances in stuff like House of Mouse. Contrast this with my pick for him, Paul Rudish Mortimer, where he hasn't any cowardice. This is the absolute steal your girl, merciless trickster who dedicated his life to making Mickey Mouse's life absolute Hell to the point where it even made Pete jealous.
But hey, this is all my preferences.
Donald is ducktales 2017 is so good like he’s such a lad there i adore him. 3 Musketeers characterizations are also some of my favs
I've always said that Minnie Mouse was a sort of secret weapon in the 2013 series - a character who you thin is just _there_ but has some secretly great moments - like when was pulling the brakes on a fast-moving trolley, gains muscles, and then does her little _tee-hee_ while roided out and getting applauded! In the Australian cartoon, all she says is "that's nice, hon" over and over again, but it was done whimsically (I think so)! There's one in-between frame in Mickey's dream where he's going to kiss Princess Minnie, then she barks like Pluto, and that frame makes her look, well.... I hope you can find it; it's quick!
Daisy should have been in Ducktales 2017 more. Thats my favorite version of her but she's in like 3 episodes total.
This is a great video! Reminds me of that jelloapocalypse video where he dissects the scooby doo cast, but this one actually feels like you actually covered all your bases and watched all the big staples of the franchises! Not only that, but you are making a good point to genuinely weigh each piece of media against the others and not just letting your biases get in the way (something jello could learn from). I’m a new viewer so I don’t know how big you are on scooby doo, but I’d love to see your take on best versions of each Scooby gang (plus extras like scrappy, scooby dumb, Marcy, Batman, etc)
Jello’s video was more or less a “that’s his opinion” type of video, where he used the platform to speak his thoughts on an idea, and was very much focused on hypotheticals and potential future iterations.
Though, I haven’t watched the video in a bit, so do correct me if I’m wrong on something.
Nah, the best Mickey was in the Ducktales reboot in the season 2 finale. But seriously, this was a really insightful video; and although I haven’t seen all of the characters’ appearances, I enjoyed your choices, reasons, and the video all together.
I asked my bf what his favorite Mickey iteration is, and he immediately replied with the short Runaway Brain, where Mickey is kind of an irresponsible manchild that puts off obligations to play video games. It's a pretty out-there characterizarion for him, but I weirdly think it works!
Don Rosa's Scrooge is my favorite Scrooge, but DT17's Donald is my favorite Donald. My favorite Panchito and Jose are Lot3C's interpretation (I also really like Jaime Camil's voice for Panchito). Though their original appearances are wonderful as well.
DT17 is the ONLY healthy relationship between Daisy and Donald, and it is gorgeous!
The Goofy shorts reveal that Goofy's real name is George, and I don't think that's ever been retconned or debunked. And I accept it because I like the idea of Goofy having a normal first name and just going by a nickname derived from his last name because it suits him so well. And yeah, A Goofy Movie was his best appearance.
The three musketeers was one of my favorite movies as a kid, and it still kinda is now. Bad Guy Song is unironically in my top 3 best villain songs, and Pete is just so unapologetically evil, and I love him so much. Very glad this was the version picked.
As a kid I used to love Pete in the Three Musketeers movie, he had the funniest scenes and absolutely stole the show
I think Minnie's best versions are Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and The House of Mouse. I honestly would argue that everyone's best version is their version in The House of Mouse. I mean, it not only was such a great crossover show and SUPER iconic... But Disney nailed the characteristics of each character so well in a comedic manner. I especially love that one episode when it was all about The Three Caballeros, and everyone was obsessed over the group EXCEPT forgot Donald was apart of it. Donald's struggle in that show, being misunderstood and quick to rage was absolutely the perfect illustration of his character for me. And when Mickey tried his best to bring everyone together and to be optimistic, but also showing how much he loved being the spotlight; that worked, too. He was so busy focusing on keeping the show going that he forgot about his friends, even though he loves and cares for them. And Goofy was exceptionally good as the waiter- Max was GREAT- Daisy was on-spot... It all was perfect in my opinion. (I also gotta mention Ludwig Von Drake- in the Christmas House of Mouse episodes- Okay the part with him and his version from another time was my favorite version of him- and when he was in The Nutcracker.)
I *almost* disagree with you on Pete, but I love "The Three Musketeers" so it wins. I almost said him in "A Goofy Movie" was at his best, especially the hot tub scene. Just the way he says "My son respects me..." is just so chilling. That whole scene is a masterclass in fantastic voice acting.
I know he is a pretty minor character in the wider Mickey Mouse canon. But growing up on the Donald Duck comics (that's what the Dutch version of the Mickey Mouse comics were called)... man Ducktales Gyro Gearloose was such a breath of fresh air, he actually gets to have a personality besides being smart, and while his inventions going haywire was even present in those comics it happened much more in the cartoon which gave him much much more of a character
Dear Young Whippersnapper,
Growing up in the 1950s, the BEST adventure comic books were UNCLE SCROOGE comics.
Sincerely,
Old Fogy
Was hoping so hard to see a KH call out, love the mentions here especially for Chip & Dale.
Can't stand for the Bluey slander tho, show is an adult slice of life disguised as a kid's show in vast majority of episodes. So good.
To me, when it comes to ranking Donald, I agree on Ducktales reboot's version being the best. The second to me would be his Legend of 3 Caballeros incarnation with his Kingdom Hearts version being third. But that's just me.
14:20 well there is mickey mouse clubhouse as it does kind of show that while for a large portion of his character is a thoughtless bad guy pete has a bit of heart in him.
an example of this is in mickey’s great clubhouse hunt where his given opportunity to abandon mickey and take over his clubhouse but ultimately makes the right choice and saves him.
though this characterization is pretty clearly because the show is for preschoolers to me it shows that even the most ruthless scums have some good in them.
I like the more “mature” take on Donald in DT 2017, but nothing will ever beat the Donald of the original shorts. An absolutely hilarious immature asshole that could always dish it out but could never ever take it without losing his temper.
Epic Mickeys Version of Mickey is the best.
Cartoon wise.
Any Mickey is the best honestly
Fun fact: figaro also appeared as Minnie's cat in mickey mouse clubhouse, mickey mouse roaster racers & mickey mouse wacky adventurers
Figaro became Minnies cat long before that series.
personally I think both Mickey and Minnie's best appearances are in the most recent short "Once Upon A Studio"
I know they don't appear much, but their relationship feels very clear. They are a couple in love, very likely married, but also the leaders of the studio
Mickey feels polite and positive, and he also acts like a natural leader that somehow managed to be friends with everybody
And Minnie also shows this leader side, a bit stricter than Mickey's but still elegant, perfectly portrayed through her line "Let's move it, gentlemen!" when coming in the men's changing room while keeping her eyes covered
And the crowning moment was that one scene where Mickey is looking at a portrait of his father, Walt Disney.
I don't know if it's the best, but i've heard that the comic version of scrooge mcduck is a very deep and interesting version of him. makes sense cause this is where he was created
Sometime it's nice to have a girly girl character, like sometime you don't need every villain to have a tragic backstory, some just enjoy being evil and its fun to watch
Anyone can say all they want with 2017 Donald, and while yes i do agree thats the best of the character so far, to me personally however, his pair up classic cartoon shorts with chip n dale and spike the bee are the best in my book and is the reason why i love the character or cartoons as a whole in the first place. Also, i love quack pack, sure its not perfect but it is what it is, a mid 90s show with just a 90s take on the duck family. To me an underrated and overhated series.
The correct answer to most of these is, as always, the comics.
There is one source which nails basically every character and was missed here: The comics. I've heard that for some reason they aren't popular in the US but wow, do I recommend them. They're basically their own thing and have a lot of great details exclusive to them. For the characters, the most notable for this discussion have to include Mickey (who is consistently down-to-earth, snarky and with a passion for detective work - I don't know if this pops up anywhere else), Daisy (no-nonsense, tough as nails and hard working), Pete (almost exclusively a wanted criminal, sly and very resourceful) and plenty of others, not to mention all the exclusives. The comics also have in my opinion the very best Donald & triplets story, this being Super Snooper Strikes Again (code D 91076).
Am i the only one that wants Max back in the Mickey Mouse franchise
And bring in Roxanne with him, a friend if he's a child, girlfriend if they are older. She is missed, and her only other appearance after the movie, an episode of House of Mouse, was appreciated.
@@sayiantom I want Roxanne back too it would be cool if they were together with a family in a new mickey Mouse cartoon that would make my world 🌎
THIS. We need more of him 😩
@@garmadonthesensei59 we all do and Roxanne too
I really, REALLY do. Disney has been giving so much love to Ducktales, Chip and Dale, reboots, revivals, etc., but none whatsoever to Max. It's unfair how they've just been randomly excommunicated from the brand.
To a degree, I understand. Max is a story heavy character, which I truly appreciate. I would love for another Goofy Movie or, even better, a Goofy Movie series that takes place between the two movies. Just anything good, really.
I think Ludwig's role in Bonkers could be his best, but honestly he's pretty consistent.
the comics are by far the best versions of these guys! let's hope we get a ducktales style adaptation of various classic mickey mouse comics some day. the 1930s ones are way to dark for modern disney, but something from the 60s to the modern era could work really well. i NEED to see the phantom blot in a proper cartoon!
I never realized how many Pinocchio characters have appeared in Mickey Mouse shorts, and honestly it makes me surprised I’ve never seen some bogus bounced-around cartoon internet theory claiming that Pinocchio and the Mickey Mouse universe are in the same world where Mickey and all of his fellow anthropomorphic neighbors are just regular people that all got transformed into animals like the kids being turned into donkeys
Hey, I’ve seen real cartoon theories with *way* bigger stretches lol
I like how Goofy and Donald are the best version of their characters when they have kids
the fact that #1 Mickey and Minnie were not the ones from House of Mouse saddens me to my core
...a lot of ducks-verse missing, tho: Beagle Boys, Magica, Gyro... I mean... of course both DuckTales, anyway... And I would like to mention others, like Gladstone, Phantom Blot, but I'm using my Italian mentality, where we used a lot of obscure characters (Fethry, Grandma Duck...) and we also have a crap-ton of Superhero alter-egos... I'll shut up.
Mickey, Scrooge and Donald at least are clearly at their best in the comics tbh.
In my opinion, one of Pete's best iterations is Goof Troop. He is such a fun part of the show and is a really fun foil to Goofy
Excluding the comics pretty much massively limits your potential picks. When it comes to the animated stuff there is only a very small hanful of them that actually explores the characters in any kind of meaningful way so it's not even a real contest for like 90% of the characters.
You really should dive into the comics. Mickey as a PI is really a whole new field of ideas for him to work with. Carl Barks pretty much defined these characters early on.
0:57 putting chip and dale last for literally no reason....