What If A Premier League Footballer Comes Out As LGBTQ+? | Football's Coming Out | Full Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- This groundbreaking new documentary Football’s Coming Out asks why there are currently no openly LGBTQ+ footballers playing at the highest level of the men’s game in England. With Joleon Lescott, Patrick Bamford, Amal Fashanu, Ian Holloway and many more, we explore what would happen when a Premier League star were to publicly come out.
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Gotta love Ian Holloway. Always speaks his mind and is a genuine guy
Leicester fans have a different view... 😂
Doesn’t really seem entirely genuine, seems very stilted when he’s talking at certain points like about calling a player a bully. That interaction didn’t happen like that, players aren’t children and that isn’t how people in football talk. If you want to have these discussion, you’ve gotta be completely honest and that isn’t.
The video could of ended after his opening two seconds 😂
Genuine guy or closet job
Just picturing a Newcastle player trying to explain his homosexuality to the Saudi owners… don’t think they’ll take too nicely to it tbh.
Support the cause tho.
facts
Tough fucking shit for them. Time for them to grow the fuck up and maybe start considering basic humanitarian rights.
@@vangledosh and if they pick not to buy a player based on being bent. It's up to them you can't force anyone to not use words or do anything they don't want to.
@@wesleylamb7782 Except if they do that they’re discriminating against someone on the basis of them being gay which is quite literally the definition of homophobia
@@tomexists7056 have that one out with the world's Muslim population mate. And they don't have to publicly state why they don't employ gas men but I'm just saying they can do that behind the scenes. Plus you can't force someone to think a certain way or pay for a item they don't want.
I don't care what your sexuality is, I just want you to go on the pitch and play your best
That's not the issue, the issue is why hide being who you are 😊
Justin's legacy needs to be bigger, what a fucking inspirational person
@j12gz the guy he slept with was 17, above the legal age of consent in Maryland which is and was 16 and also above the legal age of consent in the UK. He wasn’t alleged to have nonced anybody, the 17 year old afraid of getting in trouble as gay sex was illegal in Maryland, and decided to pin the blame on Fashanu. Before you chat shit actually know what your talking about.
What pisses me off is that nobody seems to remember what a great player Justin Fashanu was.
@j12gz tell me more bro
just did some research myself actually, the more you know!
Fashanu was outed by local newspaper for visiting a famous Nottingham gay bar called part two.....it wasn't Brian Clough who outed him....he was deeply unpopular amongst local immigrants who were mainly from Jamaica....
So, if everybody is so nice, supportive and understanding.. why is so hard to come out in football?
I’m sorry but so much of this doesn’t ring true. It isn’t honest enough. If you want to confront it head on, you can’t have people going “well you know we’d support them, we’d all support them, anyone that wouldn’t wouldn’t be welcome in the team”, it doesn’t feel honest at all.
Everyone here is acting like the problem isn’t with them or the group they stand with, we know managers wouldn’t be completely supportive Ian, we know footballers and captains wouldn’t be completely supportive Bamford, players aren’t doing that for a reason, I mean are you really telling me no gay players have gone through the changing rooms in either of their clubs, and just from the way they’re talking you can tell neither of them have dealt with this, and there are reasons for that. This is lip service to a long standing issue that you can’t confront by going “there’s no problem with me”. If you want to confront this properly, you have to get complete honesty, and this isn’t it.
Any man or women who shouting abuse towards a gay person
Is so insecure in there own sexaulity that they are threatened by others . Can I ask how long you have been gay for ?? And what is this real honesty you talk about
@@vashnanerada5373 you’re on one. I’m not shouting abuse, I’m criticising the video not being gay. and if you’re trying to use being gay as an insult, you’re the bigger problem. I literally do not care if someone else is gay or even if I am. Get out mate.
@@GreenSharder didn't say you was shouting abuse
@@vashnanerada5373 “any man shouting abuse is insecure in their sexuality” “How long you been gay for” stop talking bollocks mate, nobody’s stupid here.
@@GreenSharder and yet you still won't answer the questions
Football is an abstract noun it is an impossibility for football to have an opinion
Lol fact my guy
its to do with the culture not hard to understand
@@LiamGervaise ironically you have not understood my point , which is perfectly accurate and correct
@@Magicalfluidprocess yes it’s not ironic I understand what you are saying I’m explaining to you what they mean
@@LiamGervaise , you say it’s “ not hard to understand “ i would infer that as a sarcastic dig , ?
You response replaces the abstract noun football with another abstract noun culture , this is fictional language as only people can have intentions and opinions
If the guy at the start of the vid was being accurate and honest he would say “ some people I have met who happen to work in football are homophonic , but this doesn’t have the same level of drama , and I would (controversially) speculate that it wouldn’t trigger the same level of self pity , a more accurate language is less inflammatory
Great documentary. Shout out to C4 👏
Justin's own brother John disowned him so don't give me this rubbish from his neice
Footballers 100% should be able to come out however the problem is I can easily see it getting out of hand to show support to them.
I think Patrick wants to tell us something he shouldn’t be ashamed it’s ok Patrick
With the way big brands advertise today they would have a field day with a openly gay player
Facts Look at that A- League player who came out gay got retweeted by everyone and got a fifa card. I think PR teams will start using this
Reight boy Holloway.
Funny as fuck on happy hour podcast
Nigel Owens and Gareth Thomas are two perfect examples of gay men in sport, next to universal acceptance because everyone knew they were top blokes. It's sad that players feel this way, but I don't think it would be a huge deal. Especially not in England, for all the bad England have always been a big voice in the progressive movement.
Honestly these comments are fucking disgusting just so prejudice I’m sorry if anyone was offended by any of these comments looking through.
But 9:32-9:35 in this context is hilarious, “makes people want to come”
This video only needs to be about 5 seconds long... Yes
To be fair, the woman's game is probably majority lesbo so it's not the same.
womens football is just a lesbain meet up group since most gay clubs are gay men
Even though most of the women are married to men with kids 🤦♂️. What a stupid stereotype
Telford smuggling two big pumpkins in those shorts! 3:56
Football is not homophobic, there are people in football who are homophobic and you’ll always get awful “fans”, but those people don’t speak on behalf of football or indeed any other sport.
So much respect for Channel 4 for doing this! ❤️ The support is needed for both sexuality and nationality. It's very important to correct bad behaviour towards these issues, especially when it comes to the younger generation.
If we actually see people's hearts and minds deep down people feel uncomfortable. If you got to lie to feel comfortable I can't accept that. .A lie is a lie regardless.
People are homophobic not football, just like racism . People throw insults at all who play football .
Of course is it but unfortunately it isn't going to stop.
Thanks Channel 4 Sports, for showing this sadly needed Documentary. Intolerance and Bullying over someone's sexuality has to fade into the shadows of history. There needs to be more Programs pointing at the discretions Against any individual in our communities. ☯️🙏🏼☮️
Ah shut up ....gay people have it really good these days ....better then ever ...vast majority of people don't have a problem with them
@@popaoctavian1795 ‘I’m alright jack’
People like you have invited religious fundamentalists to share our home under the guise of diversity.
They wont be changing their views because channel fucking 4 made a documentary.
Tell it to the Saudi’s that own the teams 😂
@@popaoctavian1795 Gays have it better than before yes, but it’s still a thing with a lot of prejudice attached.
Why are people so obsessed about hommosexuality ? It's not like they're oppressed or aren't represented,you'd think most of the population was gay
Leftist agenda everybody is oppressed and if your not oppressed your privileged and should do everything in your power to protect the oppressed even if they don’t exist
Just remind me when heterosexuality has ever been illegal?
@@canny_linguist how is that relevant heterosexuality is our normal form you gonna tell me that we’re naturally gay?
@@Collabcreatemarketing yes, we are.
Great Documentary.
Football stands contain many many people that are ist everything.Been going to footy for 4 decades.I don't like being judged so why should I judge others.
Why does anyone "need to come out" just so we have something to talk about.. who fucking cares
They only need to come out that tunnel and perform on the pitch nothing more nothing less
@@jawaadchoudray8990 100% 👍
Ig there’s gay footballers who have to hide their relationships so the paparazzi won’t out them, cause the truth is that many footballers, supporters and owners don’t just have the pure “just get out and win” attitudes.
@@msdd7610 but who's business is it to know the private life of anybody on a football pitch or off it for that matter? My point is, why does everything have a label.. gay, straight, black, white, Asian? All I see is a person and if that person is nice to me I'm nice back.
Until we stop labeling we won't move forward 🤷♂️
@@beng197833 Sadly many people do care, that’s why many feel uncomfortable being open.
As the joker would say "very poor choice of words" from the commentator 😂😂😂 at 1:13
Football is a game. It doesn't make judgements it has no thought and no emotion. The game is not the problem.
I think only way it would be players starting out u23 or younger being open from day one then it would become normal or if more players come out after retirement but probably worried career after would be screwed anyway good luck to you from a straight man 👍
Is homosexuality footballphobic though?
No
Quite obviously not otherwise there wouldn’t be homosexuals playing football.
@@MacauleyOliver We kind of don’t know that there are many really. Less openly gay than in larger society, and you can’t prove that there are closeted gays. Even though it’s a joke, it could be that gay people and gay culture just don’t share an interest in football as much as straight people do. I definitely know a lot more gay people than straight people that openly hate football.
@@GreenSharder if you include straight women in that then the numbers are probably far closer.
@@MacauleyOliver No actually on average from what I’ve seen women tend to share more of an interest in football than gay men too. But you’d also be muddying the waters for the sake of making it appear that gay men are more interested than they are if you were to add women into the equation.
They have what are called “beards” which are fake girlfriends it’s usually a another celebrity but a female who agrees to be the “beard” as it raises their own profile. Definitely one playing in the prem league with a beard girlfriend That’s a big clue…………….
Who cares it’s a shit game with overpaid employees
How this conversation truly goes in 2022
"I'm gay!"
"Good for you, nobody cares"
It's just not tho is it
If only. There are still dickheads out there.
Of course it is!
No there isn't that many gays at the top that's just a lie.
How do you know? And how many do you think there are?
no there's loads lmao
What do you expect from English football fans?
How many footballers have been banned recently for homophobic abuse on and off the pitch might open your eyes to who they are and it was never reported on sky news or the BBC
I don’t see why it has to be announced. Who actually cares if someone sticks their member in another man/woman/other. Surely we should judge someone based on their footballing ability not on what hole is being plugged.
You just loose all credibility when you turn it into sex, it’s not just about that!
These players speak to their team mates outside of football, just like you’d come out to your friends or workplace, is the same as coming out to a football team.
You may actually find that person plays better as they have lifted a burden of their chest and feel like they can play more freely without having the pressure of having to have that coming out conversation
The problem is a lot of people actually do care, unless you've lived under a rock, youd know that
When a footballer comes out, they're not asking you to judge them based on their sexuality. They're trying to stop hiding who they are on their own terms (rather than being outed by the media). They're also trying to create a safe space for other closeted players and show them that they needn't worry about the stigma (and there IS stigma). There's still homophobia. Visibility and representation are key to the acceptance of minorities.
Why do you have to tell anyone anything. Keep it to yourself
Because relationships are public... From your comment I assume u have never been in one
@@ashleyw6728 i would keep my personnel business private
@@Tow131 so if u have a partner u never go in public with them?
@@ashleyw6728 yes I would but I wouldn’t be sharing my shit on the net. If I go in public I’ll blend in easily like every other couple.Ehen you share stuff on social media and the net it attracts more eyes
@@Tow131 aye yes because popular footballers can just blend in...
Who gives a shit how someone lives their lives if they are happy what they do doesn't affect your life even if you don't agree with it leave them be.
You can't remove the prevailing societal attitude from football, because footballers are part of society , simple.
Are we even meant to be social creatures... Everyone in this world just jumps on bandwagons because they don't have a mind of their own to tell em what to do :/
@J and sad af
@@ANGSNM right, they join the bandwagon because we are social creatures , for inclusion.
@@kirineloch9292 that’s a good thing
@@kirineloch9292 this scale of socialising, NO! Society is manipulating af and changes alot of people for the worst. Can't agree when my instincts say alot different
There are 💯 gay players at the top level, I don't agree that they are not being themselves, just because they are not going public with their sexual orientation, it's just nobody's business, whatever their reasons are for choosing not to come out, those are their reasons and it's not up to anyone to assume that they are living a lie.
I can’t see it myself, those footballers love big houses
Incredibly sad. As an American, we got brutal fans across all sports but nothing like European Football.
You have racial chants, blogs & people throwing crap like bananas at black players these days; which is incredibly disappointing.
There is nothing wrong with being a gay, but films like this are dangerous because it could make a young kid think he is a gay when he is not.
There is something wrong
Shut up!!!
This is a typical mix of truth and lies. The truth being "there is nothing wrong with being a gay," of course not.
The lie is in the part where you say it's "dangerous because it could make a young kid think he is gay when he is not."
There is nothing dangerous in thinking you could possibly be gay. Somebody else's actions towards someone who is gay, can be dangerous.
Life is literally about making choices no matter the age or situation, we do it every single day whether we want to or not.
No. What a ridiculous thing to write.
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Football fans inthe uk are not ready
Backwards af
So it should be
Is Joleon gay?
Who cares tbfh !
What do you want? A big watch on your wrist or to be clever?? Errrrrrrrrr...........
It's called freedom of speech
There's a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Everything seems to be hate speech these days though that's the main issue
You don’t get free speech in a football ground. Are you dumb? It’s not applicable if a club wants to ban you for being homophobic that is their right and a good thing.
It would be very surprising if there were any openly LGBTQ+ footballers playing at the highest level of the men’s game in England, since there is no such thing as an LGBTQ+ footballer - or an LGBTQ+ anyone else. That ridiculous, illogical initialism does not denote any genuine category of persons.
As in is football gay yes ...
No has the world gone made ? Yes it has and this gender bias crap is now biased against men 😂😂
Could you please elaborate?
Openly gay footballers is an attack on men okay take your pills
Holloway top man
Why does it matter?? Why are gays so obsessed with who people have sex with?
It’s more the other way around tbh
Whether I agree or not with anyone's life choices, at the end of the day everyone deserves the right to live and love in peace, free from fear of attack, verbally or physically as long as they aren't hurting anyone in my opinion.
Haha... "choice".
It's shit like this that's causing the problems. You think you're being kind and humanitarian but by using the words "life choices" you've just shown yourself up - people have no say, choice or decision in their sexuality.
We don't live in an rpg game where we customize our characters. We are born
My life choices are going to the pub after work, hanging out with mates, sometimes chilling playing PlayStation and watching tv, my life choice isn’t being gay that’s something I didn’t choose to be that’s just who I am not my life choices 🙄
@@J234-gw7he You are being nit picky over what I am saying. I was just meaning the way people live their lives, everyone has choice in life. I understand that others don't choose the way they are, but they choose how they live and who with. I am free not to like or like anything, that is my right. What is not my right is to bully, attack verbally or hurt others physically. Everyone deserves to live in peace, and I wasn't just talking about sexuality, I was speaking in general. My belief is no matter how people live via choice, or indirect albeit non or semi choice they deserve basic respect, inclusion and decency. What would you rather someone decent enough to keep their disagreements and feelings to themselves, who doesn't cause others problems and lives in peace or someone who ostracizes others for not liking what they do? Oh and btw it's shit like this that's causing the problem you say. Well newsflash not everyone is gay and understands why others are, newsflash that is completely ok. I am not attacking anyone over their sexuality, hurting anyone physically either. I have no interest in who any footballer sleeps with. Whether Gay, straight or whatever else, I say that because there seems to be many other categories now. I accept and respect that person and if like any player they do well for my team I will love and support them, same as the rest of the team. So no you are wrong, I am not the problem.
@@lee8821c I understand that, who we are and how we choose to live are symbiotic. They can't really be separated. They have a relationship that generally affects the other. I understand and respect people don't choose, their sexuality, race, sometimes religion. Life is complex. All I was saying is to others regardless of whether you or I like what we see from others, it doesn't matter. Everyone should be decent when mixing with others and not bully or attack people for how they live. This is my code for living.
Just imagine being in Kiev and having a real issue . That being said I agree totally ...... but in the UK really qe are rhe most tolerant of anything in life ......
Worst documentary in years!
What does sexuality have to do with football other than wanting attention I think they should be whipped problem is they're probably going to enjoy it
Bunch of dudes playing with balls, I don't know...
Blokes, not dudes.
@@Parseenfroo blokes, dudes, chaps, fellas..whatever, don't tell me how to talk. If you look up the meaning of both dude is way more appropriate for footballers
@J Scott debatable
Yawn
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I don't really see the problem, most gays don't like football anyway 😂. A gay player shouldn't take homophobic chants etc personally. Just as someone who has a big nose/ginger hair/a penchant for grannys will get songs sung about them, often by their own fans. Ultimately it doesn't matter and the majority of fans really don't care - the media as usual wants to bring ideology into sport, where it doesn't belong. I have black friends, gay friends etc and we all say offensive things to each other about our stereotypes. Its a sign of affection and friendship because of the context its used in.
Exactly, as a United fan we used to sing the Park song about him eating dogs...clearly it was only banter...people are so fucking sensitive.
I'm Welsh, get called a sheep shagger all the time, I couldn't care less, but then I'm not made of glass
Ah yes, I always forget that historically people have been denied jobs, or have been murdered, for having a big nose, ginger hair or being a granny shagger.
Many homosexual men follow football, like many heterosexual men. Plus, a large number of professional football players are homosexual.
@@ethandalton6480 Perhaps we would have had historically less homophobia if our government hadn't jailed gay men.
If a player feels the need to make an announcement then they know what to expect. If they care or allow the opinion of someone they don't know and probably never will, hurt them. Then may I suggest they either keep their sexuality private like most of us, because we don't give a fuck. Or they re-read the 'sticks & stones rhyme I'm assuming they learnt at school.
mate its quite fucking simple to understand they dont wanna be hiding in the shadows
You ask me footballs for puffs ..
Cringe
I honestly believe Ronaldo is gay & will come out long after he has hung up his boots.
If a player was gay that had or was currently playing for my club big deal
be open about it move on.
I dont see it as a massive deal or even a big deal in this day in age.
Would there be Mickey taking yes let's not lie but people have taken the Mickey out of me my entire life because I have Homosystanuria & the fact it makes my hands look skeletal like people used to say I looked like Skeletor & my reply was you had better make a run for it then because if I am Skeletor I am comeing for you & it would make the other person how had sead it in the first place laugh what I am saying is if someone has something to say about someone comeing out as gay then the person how his gay just has to say something like well your 100% safe from me because I am not that drspeit in the first place.
I have had friends come out as gay but we always know this friend was gay she came out & it was a case of we always thought that was the case why did you not just say so years ago it's no big deal at all & we just carried on as before nothing changed friendship wise.
I have met people also you would never have guessed where gay in a billion years one older guy how looked like Kenny Rogers I would never have guessed he was gay unless he told me but it was no big deal.
Anyone reading this that is Gay I hope your life is happy & your comfortable with how your life is be positive never negative Gay or not.
Keep Safe.
You believe Ronaldo is gay? Based on what? More like wishful thinking.
As a gay man, I had a good laugh at this.
Did anyone ask?
Id never pick up the soap in the changing room showers
Hell nah 😂
@@hadezz371 there was a player called bent aswell
You’d be first in there you little queen
Who cares if a footballer takes it up the arse or not? As long as they’re good as their job then what they like to do behind closed doors has nothing to do with anyone else.
I mean you just lost all level of credibility with that opening sentence! Any need
It's still pervy...
thats your discomfort showing lmao
I don’t agree with homosexuality but it doesn’t mean you go and abuse people. It’s fine to have that opinion but not actively hate people.
Really not good enough, “you don't agree” when it comes to homosexuality? That is as ridiculous as saying, you don't agree with someone's need to use the bathroom when they have to.
But "It's fine to have that opinion" I guess?? Because that makes so much sense?
What a stupid thing to write Fundz Real.
It's a sport not a bloody political stand point to talk about your sexuality.
Why does someone coming out bother you? Straight footballers are free to talk about their relationships.
@@heekamalokilo7194 Yeah the straight ones can shut up to,it's a sport,play the game then go home...
U do realise relationships are public, from your comment I'm gonna assume u have never been in one
Surely nowadays it can't be too bad? It's more acceptable in society now..
yeah you'd hope it would translate over to football but i think its due to how inbuilt it is in the culture, It's why the kick it out campaign had to come in cause racism was in the games core
Yes and sexist and racist blah blah blah 😴
Yes, but be careful not to bow down to collect the soap in the shower 😬
You want a player's mind on the ball, not with his mind on his teammates balls.
Oh boohoo
Finally a sport that doesn't like em good job their if we expect this then u will see trans women in football in other sports that destroyed womans sports
Name me one women's sport that has been destroyed by trans women competing in it
No. Homosexual men and women don’t like transgender people. Most transgender people are heterosexual.
No? You want to win so you sign the players with the best ability. Stupid question.🤡🤡🤡
Kind of a nonsensical remark you've made there.
So you are trying to say gay people cant be good at football?
What
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