Why This 27 Year Old Magic Set FAILED To Attract New Players?

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

Комментарии • 44

  • @jaredlaws9875
    @jaredlaws9875 13 дней назад +3

    I have a complete set of portal including the cards with alternate text. There is a lot of nostalgia here for me, I forgot the outer box that held the two smaller decks.

  • @joshcox3401
    @joshcox3401 16 дней назад +7

    They weren’t legal. I remember going to buy some portal and was actively discouraged from buying it because I couldn’t use the cards. What a stupid idea.

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  16 дней назад +1

      Yeah, mind-boggling 😅

    • @dannibal
      @dannibal 11 дней назад +1

      Cards like Wrath of God etc that also appeared in other sets were legal on tournaments though.

  • @ericfortin559
    @ericfortin559 14 дней назад +4

    The best way to get new players is to have somebody actively willing to mentor them at the card shop/game store, and to start them off with a simple, straightforward preconstructed deck with really good cards. I started my son on the Fire & Lightning precon (with a few card swaps to improve deck consistency), and the fact that it is just relentless burn and beats to the face that can just "oops, I win" against virtually any other deck makes it a lot of fun for new players. It has lots of great cards, too - Grim Lavamancer, Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning, Figure of Destiny, etc. All in foil, too. The main weakness of monored decks are the fact that you often play out your hand and go into topdeck mode, which often allows your opponent to stabilize and recover, so swapping in more card advantage (The One Ring/Palantír of Orthanc/Browbeat), and search/deck manipulation (Magma Jet/Sensei's Divining Top) helps avoid this.
    The key focus should be on ingraining the turn structure, and how to make good play choices by teaching the concepts of mana curve, card advantage, and identifying win conditions.
    Portal was notoriously bad with a lot of overcosted and underpowered cards that weren't even sanctioned format legal until 2005.

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  12 дней назад

      Thanks for such elaborated comment mate! Appreciate that!
      Can't agree more on the having someone mentoring part, it is always much easier to learn with someone who already knows the rules and how to play.
      And we will open Fire & Lightning on this channel, I already have it, but don't tell anyone! 🤫

  • @jasperbaas450
    @jasperbaas450 17 дней назад +6

    It didn't completely fail! I got this starter from my nephew way back in the day and I'm still an active player 😊

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  17 дней назад

      Wow! Almost the same here, but I started with Classic 6th edition :)
      Failure is kinda the way WotC see it according to Mark Rosewater’s podcast 🤷‍♂️

  • @heecks9375
    @heecks9375 15 дней назад +2

    I'm 51 years old, I have several cards of this set and I use the words deck or library :) the booster price was 2,95$

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  15 дней назад

      Wow! You even remember the price! Must have been a lot of fun playing Portal back then!

  • @RealLockheedMartin
    @RealLockheedMartin 12 дней назад +2

    This is basically what Konami did with the 2-Player Starter set in Yu-Gi-Oh, except 25 years later. Why did they do it 25 years after Wizards made this flop? Because they're insanely stupid.

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  12 дней назад

      Seems like they forgot everything after 25 years 😅🤷‍♂️

  • @dannibal
    @dannibal 11 дней назад +1

    Portal is still quite popular for its alternate cards though, even the basic lands (actually been selling/trading away quite a few the last two weeks).

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  11 дней назад

      And I can imagine why! The cards look awesome.

    • @Donaldsangry
      @Donaldsangry 8 дней назад

      Yes, Portal lands are drop. I traded away mine years ago for a stack of Unstabled basics.

  • @Lyrici17
    @Lyrici17 7 дней назад +1

    I had already been playing Magic for a couple years when this product came out. I can't remember how now, but a friend of mine somehow got a bunch of these and gave them away to a bunch of his friends (including me). At the time, I remember wondering why they were trying to teach new players the game, but used different terminology for half of the rules... Very nostalgic to see this opened. Thanks!

  • @jameswilhite3340
    @jameswilhite3340 2 дня назад +1

    I remember buying this and playing with my brother. I didn't know how to play then and it was really cool. Now I wish that I still had all my original things...

  • @_Tizoc_
    @_Tizoc_ 17 дней назад +3

    I learned how to play from Portal!

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  17 дней назад

      Wow! That makes you ancient, mate! 😂👍 Did you have this 2 player starter set or stuff from boosters?

    • @_Tizoc_
      @_Tizoc_ 16 дней назад

      @@MagicArchiveTV ha ill be 36 this month. i had this set i think there was also a version with a VHS tape? i might be misremembering or mixing it up with an other game at the time.

  • @wademiller2376
    @wademiller2376 15 дней назад +2

    But portal was great and did teach a lot of new players the basics and got them playing.... it remembered fondly with anyone I've ralked to about it for ages

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  15 дней назад +1

      Yeah, that is very true. I am referring more to what WotC tell themselves regarding the set, especially Mark Rosewater on his podcast. :)

    • @wademiller2376
      @wademiller2376 15 дней назад +2

      @MagicArchiveTV im a month or more behind on his podcast so i missed that. It started getting super repetitive

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  14 дней назад +1

      No wonder, it is almost 1200 episodes 😅

  • @EricPellerin-o5o
    @EricPellerin-o5o 8 дней назад +1

    The very first MTG product that got my money lol

  • @liquidfiretibby
    @liquidfiretibby 16 дней назад +1

    this was my 1st tournament event

  • @kellinbray5347
    @kellinbray5347 12 дней назад +1

    That’s where I started

  • @AquaStockYT
    @AquaStockYT 17 дней назад +1

    I am as old as this release. I feel old now.

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  17 дней назад

      Imagine this game will be around in next 27 years!

    • @discordiandreamer
      @discordiandreamer 16 дней назад +1

      I got this set in my Easter basket when I was 8 😅

    • @dannibal
      @dannibal 11 дней назад +1

      youngster 🤣

  • @danacoleman4007
    @danacoleman4007 15 дней назад +2

    where did you get that playmat?

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  15 дней назад

      Most likely on Cardmarket. Pretty sure it might be available on eBay too.

  • @jessicaregina1956
    @jessicaregina1956 17 дней назад +2

    Because magic wasn't that hard to learn lol

  • @Mortanux
    @Mortanux 17 дней назад +1

    buyed some but it was meh

    • @MagicArchiveTV
      @MagicArchiveTV  17 дней назад

      I guess it depends. In my case both of my prerelease kits’ rares (even without uncommons) cost more than what I paid for them.

    • @Mortanux
      @Mortanux 17 дней назад

      @@MagicArchiveTV Well I mean at the time, when I buyed it, I had started playing with 4th , and the cards didn't really compare, they felt overly simplified (it was the point I guess) but yeah just feld under par compared =P
      Still not has horrible has homelands felt, were cards seemed complicated and bad lol