Vaush Goes To War Against Theism And Debates A Pagan
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Vaush debates a pagan on religion - Destiny reacts...
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Come for the Vaush religion debate react... stay and get triggered by Destiny's mind boggling food takes!
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Have you read C.S. Lewis’s Miracles Destiny?
The raw vs. caramelized onion take is based. Caramelized onions are disgusting mushy dogshit that ruins any dish it touches.
@@epileptix8954 we need to inform Vaush… THIS is the split that will divide America into its next civil war.
@@epileptix8954 Rip Richard Spencer.
Destiny doesn’t like caramelized onions cause they’re brown instead of white
Based
Classic Destiny, loves black people, hates brown onions
This aged well
The only logical explanation
how can destiny be so wrong about food, is beyond me
I mean... he is right about onions.
@@CharcharoExplorer you mean its better to eat them raw?
@@johngamer-bp3pc I think it depends on what you are eating them alongside. Since sometimes those weirder onions people cook are really nice in combination with something else.
I dont eat onions raw only, the taste is good but very strong. However, raw, cut onion with tomatoes or potatoes can be very good. Really good even id say. Though I envision the white/yellow onion type there, the red onion is even stronger so it can work but with a lot more moderation.
@@CharcharoExplorer destiny said he would/rather eat them raw, thats it. no "alongside" or anything. just grab and eat.
He didn’t know you could put salt on chicken... dude is pretty much a toddler when it comes to food
"Destiny's take on onions is the most based and truthpilled shit I've ever heard"
5 minutes later
"Destiny's take on pickles is the dumbest and most shitpilled I've ever heard"
this but unironically
duality of man
If Vaush was a foodie:
Destiny's takes on food are derived from an underappreciating conceptualization of the existential modality in which we come to a conclusion on what constitutes adequate cuisine.
@@placate9051 yes?
@@placate9051 religion! V believes that religious people have walls built up around them that makes coming to a consensus on certain things impossible. That was just me criticizing Destiny's thoughts on food as Vaush. What are you, the fucking hall monitor? Is this a valid hall pass?
@@placate9051 you look super duper smart 🤓
Tbf that's what any foodie sounds like, just more culinary (?) vocabulary instead of philosophy/debate bro terms.
Salient point comrade.
Destiny's argument about onions is completely on point, despite having a woman's name.
Edit: Pickle take is wrong af.
If you don't like caramelized onions then you're just not a true onion enjoyer. I'm sorry but it's true.
It's legitimately one of his only good food takes
So true
Both good
@@vashlash6870
- not a true onion enjoyer
- removes all onion flavour
Dude looks like he makes boats and axes and I’m all for it
Godbrand from Netflix Castlevania vibes... "I'm a Viking... We make BOATS... It's what we DOOO!" Edit: ruclips.net/video/NF7ILhVEN6U/видео.html
I've made a couple throwing axes in my backyard forge. Lotta fun
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor that’s really cool. Throwing knives and axes are fun as hell to throw at boards in the backyard. I think the implication was that he looked like a Norse Vikingr warrior/blacksmith though.
funny how he calls his religion "heathen" lmao he doesn't even use a proper name. Seriously believing in germanic mythology is pretty funny ngl.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor thats not very hank of you
Did he really just discover that salt is a flavor enhancer??? Yes you can and should put a little bit of salt in basically everything
But can you out in on chicken tho?
@@billballinger5622 eat salted chicken without your pants on because you'll actually blow a load
Unless you use soy sauce in everything. Don't double up on that sodium or you'll learn the hard way why it's a bad idea.
My biggest takeaway from this discussion about religion is that Destiny hates ranch.
Mine was that apparently I'm insane for eating pickles on their own.
@@dudenamedskip Sanity is overrated
@@dudenamedskip pickles on their own are occasionally something I enjoy on ocasion. And im gay so destiny is in fact homophobic for calling me a sociopath. And you are valid in your pro pickle from jar belief system
Did he really just ask, “can you put salt on chicken?” ???
It’s a requirement! (unless it’s fried)
Now I’m triggered over his caramelized onion take
And what kind of lost soul lunatic doesn’t salt the dry batter?
Fried chicken has hella salt in the coating, dumb dumb
Tell me in what kind of dystopian hellhole they salt chicken so I can avoid that place at all costs
@@alexd4566 all of Asia and the Dirty South (aka best fried chicken in the world)
I don’t know where you’re getting your from prolly Canada or Alaska I’m guessing
Destiny's pickle take made me chuckle.
"When you eat a raw pickle from the jar, you're a sociopath".
Broooo nobody cooks the pickle when you put it on a burger or sandwich, that's raw too 🤣
how would you even cook a pickle ?
@@holstonmatt I mean fried and grilled pickles are both done. Think like pickle chips and stuff like that.
Just here for my traditional "Destiny is a girl's name" comment
Girls are a social construct
amazin
Wow
Doing the lords work, friend
Damian wayne. Do you love black people
"I dont like religion because the underlying presuppositions can lead to rational moral positions that are irrational to other people"
He says while uncritically assuming secular materialism, which, exactly like all other core worldviews, is fundamentally untestable.
While being a "Libertarian Socialist" or whatever the fuck he calls himself. That shit is basically an online religion.
The religiosity of secular and godless people, and indeed the distorted manifestations of their spiritual instincts such as the blood sacrifice of vast populations across the planet via their failed policies, and the flagellation of Extinction Rebellion.... Even Vaush's very existence, is a set of indictments upon indictments against Anti-Theism itself.
He's no better than fundamentalist iconoclasts who must destroy any and all works of cultures before them, like primitive chimp mode subhumans. The only difference is he wants to do it at his keyboard instead of with hammers and fire.
@@TOUGHEYES flagellation of extinction rebellion? The environmental group?
You don’t get it, Vaush is right, he said so. (I assume Vaush is god)
Chef here: salt and pepper basically goes on every thing. Salt allows you to taste food. Pepper adds some flavor and lights up other taste buds.
What do you make as a chef
@@ON-ry8iw I know this guy - I see his username on kink sites. He's a piss chef
The metaphysics point in the very beginning is the entire incapsulation of vaush, the man spends his entire life trying to create word salads to make himself sound smarter when his points often times are simple, he puts a lot of thought into making every sentence into 20
Where I'm from we call this being a "word Meister". The Moto of the word Meister is "Bullshit Baffles Brains"
From an epistemological perspective the act or idea of elecution cannot be rationally defined unless we consider that audiences and speakers fundamentally agree to disagree of the basis of rationality at all.
welcome to vaush 101
Would destiny eat caramelized onions if it had fresh onion on it? Solve that one atheist's
Check mate libtards
The reason salt works on literally everything is that (at low concentrations) it blocks bitterness and boosts sweet, sour AND umami which is basically all of food. Something to do with opening up your taste buds iirc.
It also has a deteriorating quality to it, so if you put salt on eggs before you cook them, it can make them too runny. So with meats, salt is amazing because it softens the meat and helps all the other spices blend together
Salt draws out the moisture (flavor) of everything it’s on
What Vaush does not get is that everyone he "debates" understands what he is saying.
To be fair, he does not understand what they are saying.
Or what any subject he is "debating". Or words.
but he uses all those big words so he must be smarter than his "interlocuter"
@@99sins all he does is just use big words, he makes no sense 99% of the time and starts rumbling some random bs
@@99sins Half of the time those big words aren't being used correctly either, it's actually triggering.
“Aqua”
I'm enjoying seeing the destiny simps turn hard on vaush after his falling out with him. You guys are utterly predictable.
Vaush talks as if no religion person ever changed faith or left faith altogether
Don't let the arguments around religions distract you form the fact that Destiny is a female name.
How would you spell female, if you had to spell it the way Andrew Tate says “female” in the meat canyon video? Feemawl feemayul lol
That's a girl's name
Stripper 😅
Idk if Destiny didn’t know or just forgot; Vaush arguments are bad because he’s not going in to convince the other person or be convinced himself. He argues for optics. Any concession he can get is him DOMINATING, and any concession he gives, ever, is a total loss.
He can’t engage with any topic, because it could lead to maybe something that sounds like a concession.
So does Destiny though
@@hikelfin What? If Destiny cared about optics he would never hang out with Mr.Girl, Lauren or Fuentes. Nor would he have such a nuanced view of abortion.
The entire reason why he is respected comes from engaging with every subject with a high degree of good faith and intelectual honesty, while most internet personalities only care about winning the "culture war" by any means necessary.
If this guy is so against killing humans, why did he fucking slaughter Vaush in the debate
For a man that eats chicken on waffles like a degenerate Destiny sure has some strong stances on food
Chicken and waffles is goated
When Vaush is talking about religious people being unable to change their views because they're not based on anything real, he's talking about himself and his ideology.
Classic projection. *_tips hat_*
Also Vaush pretending like religious people in general don't do real world stuff to make things actually work but just engage in rain dances and prayer instead :V
Like we didn't get to where we are with a majority of people being religious. He's so incredibly stupid it's amazing how he has any kind of platform whatsoever.
Oh yeah, what view does Vaush subscribe to that is not based on anything real and where has he demonstrated he's unable to change them?
@@Khalkara I assume you're a Vaush fan :VVV
@@handsomebear. You're not able to cite any evidence for what you said, are you?
@@handsomebear. It's not intellectually honest to be a cuck in the shadows
Food takes from a guy that doesn't know salt goes on chicken!!! Stay in your lane my dude!!!
It does? I’m European, so I’ve never heard of this salty chicken thing. Fried chicken is salty, but we eat chicken any other way pretty much without.
@@pommiebears thats cuz europoors are too poor to afford salt
The don’t put ranch or blue cheese on wings take is 2head. The perfect balance of vinegar and spice with the contrast of cool and creamy is god tier. It’s not a covering it’s a marriage and an elevation. Esp with the blue cheese, that pungent flavor adds a triunity to the above that brings it to an ethereally delicious plane
Let me put this shit tier dip on my wings that I specifically got good sauce to cover. If Ranch/ Blue cheese was any good, why is it always a dip and not a wing flavor?
@@_pijn_ agreed but lemon pepper is kang
I swear to god… Vaush is that guy who looks up the edgiest way to say a word.
Vaush is a religion person, in every sense, except he has seizures when he hears the word "God".
Vaush may be the antichrist, he needs to do a video of him attending a sermon to disprove this.
@@Omenshaper you're a silly person
Vaush is nowhere near smart enough to do this hahahaha
ah, another one afflicted with VDS.
@@kcm4321 bro, if you think these arguments would survive in even an upper level philosophy of religion course, let alone post-grad stuff, im sorry for you
@@MC_heart4 cool.
@@Evadann Vaush regular?
@@MC_heart4 for example?
When he said he didn't like caramelized onions a vein almost burst in my brain. How does this man CONTINUE to have horrible food takes???
Richard Spencer would cry.
I agree. It's gross. Pickled, red onions are superior. Just sauteed red onions too.
No caramelized onions, no seafood…. His one saving grace is that he likes green vegetables
This has got to be on purpose I swear. Dissing onion soup made me hate the world
@@pinguselen6771 sautéed red onions are caramelized onions lol.
Why does destiny engage with chat if they’re talking about shit that has nothing to do with the topic ?
If there was a person who discovered that if they killed themself they could blip malaria out of existence and they did it, I wouldn’t have a problem,
BUT
if a group of individuals discovered there was a person on earth they could kill to blip malaria out of existence and they spent their lives tracking this person down to kill them and end malaria I’d think those people were monsters.
Why?
@@JediDude23 you're basically opening the flood gates cause now you have precedent to do that in other cases, too. It muddies the ethical waters incredibly
Vaush seems to just take every valid point into a really obtuse direction these days, it was extremely obvious in the "aqua" moment debating that PhD guy, but you can see it many times here as well where he cooks up these bizarre hypotheticals that require extremely shallow and literal interpretations to be seen as equivalent to the main point. He's basically like Tucker Carlson smuggling a huge assumption into his main rebuttal and then attacking a make believe straw man the entire time while simultaneously denying the existence of any strawman-ing if the other party ever questions it.
Vaush is only debating against specific dogmatic religious groups/beliefs rather than religion as a concept.
I grew up evangelical and I've never heard the position that Global Warming was good because it heralds the tribulation of the end times. Is there any mainstream denomination or even church that teaches this?
Evangelical. It's the end times prophecy, and like half of Evangelicals support Isreal because Rapture.
Something about God's promise to Abraham being eternal?
Not to my knowledge. Some people link everything to tribulations tho, but I don't think anyone claims it's a good thing.
@@rorrim0 Doomsday cultists love that kinda shit
I'm going with "Jamestown"
The only narratives about climate change ive seen by religious Christians is that God isn't going to save us and its our duty to protect the planet he gave us to shepard over.
"if you have the mind to be religious it puts you at a disadvantage when evaluating true things in the world."
I disagree, because all humans have the mind to be religious. I can believe in Thor and still realize my car problem is a bad sparkplug.
Yeah, that doesn’t make much sense. A lot of scientists, atleast in the past were religious, but that didn’t necessarily hinder their research abilities
Uh oh, Vaush is taking us back to the "Le Atheist" past debating.
Nah, he is just reminding us that in Mexico, athiests don't exist. They are athiestas
The ghost of Solstice past.
Spicy wings with blue cheese dip are amazing. They compliment each other perfectly. If the flavours are balanced properly then the spicy sauce leaves room for the taste of the chicken and the blue cheese dip.
No blue cheese is gross
@@samthemessiah9330 reject being a virgin picky eater and become a chad non-picky eater
@@holstonmatt no I'm gonna keep having preferences in taste
I DEMAND TIMESTAMPS FOR SKIPPING THE FOOD TAKES JC
Destiniy's food takes triggered me in this debate. He got everything wrong
I would fight him on his onion take.
he called in n out shit. and thats unforgivable
I agree with the pizza take nothing else
no he's right
@@iameagle1012 nah the onion take was spot on 👌
22:53 It would be really great to see destiny and cosmic skeptic in a discussion. Totally different styles of communication and smart as hell. Just be nice to listen to them chirp insightful noises.
The thing that always bugged me about the "skeptic" label for Debate Atheists is that their skepticism is entirely one directional.
The _actual_ "skeptic" position is pure agnosticism.
Cosmic skeptic is far to antitheist for Destiny I think it would just be an argument I feel like. Would be content though
Or rationality rules. Although i feel like he won't be as serious as cosmic
Cosmic is probably the least intelligent and disingenuous atheist on the Tube. Total goober
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor that’s just his username from forever ago. He is squarely agnostic.
Destiny's food takes lost this debate
The Universe is a four dimensional torus that is observed three dimensionally through time by consciousness.
source??
Trust me Bro?
@@andrewjonas6437 dumb thing to ask a source for tbh
@@andrewjonas6437 Alan Moore's Jerusalem.
If you're looking for scientific data on that get back to me in a thousand years
@@kingrainbow5432 there is also the conjugate geometry of the magnetic and dielectric fields being the torus and it’s inverse the hyperboloid when viewed through a magnetic viewing slide
@@off6848 totally
29:00 Caramelized onions are supposed to be crispy
No they aren't 😮
Reported for misinformation.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I am above the law
The gall
DESTINY ACTUALLY QUESTIONED SEASONING HIS FOOD WHAT THE FUCK?
Yo, I want to taste the food, not the seasoning.
@@bennymountain1 Most food either has 0 or terrible taste. Seasoning is what makes food worth enjoying.
@@bennymountain1 THATS LITERALLY WHAT SEASONING IS FOR YOU SILLY MAN
@@TubeWusel ain’t no excuse
I'm not triggered by the food takes,, I'm triggered by their existence when I am trying to listen to another topic. I don't care about the food stuff lol. Reminds me of when a book wastes a couple chapters on Main Character B
I feel the opposite lol it’s humanizing
As much as i dislike vowsh, tje religious guy really fucked up at the human sacrifice bit. Because suddenly he had to leave his religious framework to appeal to "This causes harm."
But within an actual norse pagan framework, human sacrifice isen't a harm. Its morally good and completly justified. The only reason he says otherwise is because he's raised in a christian culture, and therefor has christian ethics actually informing his beliefs.
Exactly and chiefly liberalism.
Imagine thinking it’s pagan to mind toxic masculinity while a Gaul warlord takes your wife/woman for the night because he’s the chief
And a loose woman is punished by being made to have each man she slept with spit into a bowl and forced to drink it to symbolize her impurity
I know this is an old comment, but I just want to point out that Ocean very actively speaks out against "latent Christianity," where non-Christians continue to maintain Christian thinking anyway. Ocean is not abandoning his religious framework; his framework is just entirely different from Western Christian understandings of religion.
Modern heathens are not bound to their gods in the same way fundamentalist christians are to theirs. Heathens have no problem saying "nope" if their gods ask something of them that they're uncomfortable with. Our gods do not dictate or demand. We deal with them as we choose, because it is a relationship of reciprocity, not hierarchy. Not all religions understand and interact with deity in the way christians do. Honestly, I think it's you who is applying Christian thinking to a pagan.
It's also not a good argument to judge modern heathens by what we think vikings believed. We don't know for sure what they thought, and religion isn't stagnant anyway. It changes with time. Modern heathens have a different relationship with their religion than their predecessors, much like modern Christians have modern interpretations of Christianity.
15:49 'trans women are women' isn't twisting 'empirical fact' in the view of those who agree with it... So for Vaush this question of Destiny's wouldn't really matter... The idea is that you have this idea of what a 'woman' is as sort of an umbrella term that describes a particular sort of way of being/identifying and then both cis women and trans women fall under that term as they exist/identify in that manner... Just like black women, white women, asian women, etc. also fall under the label of being a 'woman'... There's no set in stone empirical fact to be twisted here because there's no Bible equivalent that they believe in telling them how a woman must be... There's dictionaries, but not all of those will contradict them, they don't particularly NEED to agree with them quite like a Christian needs to agree with the Bible, and to call a dictionary of definition of women 'empirical fact' seems a bit absurd...
How can you empirically demonstrate that a 'woman' must be female beyond just pointing to a dictionary that agrees with you? The other side that believes trans women are women can do the same with a definition more favorable to them (i.e. "a person with qualities traditionally associated with females"), and in addition they can point you to a trans woman fulfilling the characteristics their definition describes of a 'woman' which is far more verifiable/observable/experiential (y'know, 'empirical') than anything Destiny could really point to for his argument of empirical fact against the idea that 'trans women are women'...
If it's fair to say that 'cis women are women', 'white women are women', and 'disabled women are women', then it seems fair to say that 'trans women are women'...
IF a person IS just saying 'trans women are women because it makes society feel better' and that's their full argument though, then I will agree that that is a dumb argument since it's also kind of a strawman... Well I guess it wouldn't be a strawman if that seriously was their argument, but its so bad an argument that it might as well be lol...
Also with the history aspect, people who win the wars don't always get the history they want... Plenty of countries have won wars and history remembers them as the bad guys who did the imperialism or whatever... Just because you get to try and write things favorably doesn't mean historians are going to believe it in the future... Like some guy wins a war and acts like they won in spite of incredible odds and historians will look at that and be like "In spite of what they are saying, we have evidence that the army they faced was far smaller than they are claiming." Heck, King Henry VII went to great lengths to try and change history, trying to make himself retroactively the King of England before the battle where he defeated King Richard III... And also Henry VII tried to destroy every single copy of some text related to the English monarchies' succession and he managed to destroy them all EXCEPT a single copy that survived not being discovered until after the Tudor era had ended... I mean, they might succeed in the short term, but I wouldn't say that's deciding history forever... We even found Richard III's body and learned that it wasn't as unusual as Tudor propagandists like Shakespeare would have you believe...
interesting explanation, this comment deserves more attention
You uploaded your dissertation to the wrong site.
That's cool and all, I will still always think Females=Woman. Nice try tho lol.
It is a twisting empirical fact. Women are just female humans. Trans women are not. How do i prove that? Look at them. They're different. If you need a dictionary to tell the difference than youre mentally retarded. Which is fine. How you play with the words are irrelevant.
Tran positions are closer to occultism and mysticism. There's an underlying thing, a mode of being, which is different from the empirical, that is, the physical. Because mysticism sounds bad trans advocates really have thought about it, nor have they thought about the metaphysical position they must fall into
@@crushinnihilism Good job proving the thing that everyone already knows, you're real clever... No one is saying that they are female, if they were then they wouldn't be a trans woman they would just be a cis woman... If anything, the opposite is being said, to argue otherwise would just seem to be imposing a strawman of a position on them just so you can easily tear it down as you did...
Also there are many parts of one's identity that are different from the physical... If you identify as a nihilist or an executive, none of that could be derived by just looking at you... An executive might wear a suit just as a trans woman wears a dress though... They might identify as German even though you can't really tell them apart all that well from many other Europeans... The same with being Christian, a liberal, or atheist, neither of these identities are physical... Though honestly, gender might be more 'physical' than being an atheist in the sense that whereas atheism probably has little more physicality than the physics/biology going on in your brain, being a trans woman seems like it might correlate with having a brain that is physically built more akin to that of a female's than most males...
Two questions I have for you would be these: Is it similar to mysticism/occultism to identify as an atheist? Secondly, would you concede your previous arguments if there WERE physical differences that could be observed in the brain of a trans woman?
Anyway, even without the brain differences depending on which philosophy of the mind you subscribe to it is very likely that your argument isn't considering that gender stems from mental states and mental states stem from brain states and brain states stems from physical states, therefore, to some degree our minds ARE physical, just not in a way that is easily observable... But idk, maybe you're like Descartes and you think the mind is some sort of immaterial entity separate from the material brain... If that's the case, maybe you're the occult-like one...?
Just a thought...
Alternate title: Destiny debates DGG and goes to war against good food takes
Being anti something entails toxicity? Wut. Why? In what sense?
Does this guy think criticism is inherently toxic or something?
I'm anti tons of shit, like flat-earth, unreasonably restrictive social and legal policies, black and white thinking - but that does not mean I doggedly pursue people who exhibit those tendencies in toxic ways...
Yeah, being anti something is inherently toxic towards that stuff...why is this confusing to you? Being toxic towards certain things is not bad.
To be maximally good faith, i think he was talking about a nummerical inevitability.
Say you have 10 million people that belief in something, X amount of people will inevitably drive those beliefs to toxic outcomes and ideas.
That's just how it works.
@@imyournme6632
Sure, but I think pointing that out becomes a pretty tortured point if the idea then is that we shouldn't be anti-anything on the off-chance that it might produce toxicity.
On that token, that is to say mathematically, literally anything can produce toxicity.
For example, I've seen online spaces so dedicated to "positivity" that they devolve into toxic and intollerant environments for anyone who can't maintain a perfect prozack mask for all their interactions in the space - which, of course, is emotionally repressive and extremely unhealthy.
However, you wouldn't then use that to cast aspersion on a general value on optimism and positivity, I hope.
It's therefore hard to see what substantive point was being served by Pagan's observation one way or the other.
@@KolyaUrtz
No? Being anti something is not the same as being toxic towards it and you merely saying that it is without any argument or example is worthless.
This is exactly why it's confusing.
@@hian Being "anti something" means you're actively working against it.
You can not work against my interests in a way that is not toxic to my interests.
Destiny's food takes are 50 iq
Saying everyone should be an atheist is like saying everyone should work in government. If you give someone the power of individual decision making that doesn't have the right mindset, they might become a harmful figure to others or themselves.
Everyone likes to claim that seeking truth is something objectively good and that everyone wants it. Which from my experience is the opposite. A lot of people just want a unchanging anchor for their life so they can just chill & grill - and being religious is a justifiable solution for this.
Saying every person is better off atheist is like saying pure anarchocommunism works. You have to be naive about human nature for that.
@@wtrflsh I used to think that, but I've come to the conclusion that right wing atheists scare the shit out of me. Without a religion they would have nothing that stop them from doing the worst atrocities.
@@wtrflsh I believe that and it's not really dumb as we would have to think way more critically about morals and ethics. Though I don't want to enforce that.
@@wtrflsh That isn't like that at all. There's no meaningful benefit derived, exclusively, from being a theist. There is however tons of harms innate to being a theist.
@@Khalkara maybe. But as a theist you have a fairly unchanging supernatural anchor to orient yourself on.
And i'm talking about theism in a social sense. While i think that the bible is inherently sexist and homophobic, there are christian sub-religions that endorse homosexual marriage and gender equality. And that interpretation is becoming more and more popular.
While, again, i personally consider this mindset to contradict what i perceive as the most sensible interpretation, religion often soaks up positive cultural values while easily justifying these through an absolute mindset - a god-given truth.
Or in short, it enables people to willingly "stay in line" easier, which can bring harm worst case, but it can also make people conform to accepted positive values through religious justification. And in due time more and more positive views will get included into the religion. Less extreme changes but less risk as well.
For example, barely anyone justifies racism because of their religion even though they did when it still was socially acceptable. Nowadays a lot of christians would call racism "unchristian"
Hope Destiny gets to talk to this dude at some point
Vaush won't talk to him
Ocean would probably be willing if he reaches out
@@LentexVideos If Destiny actually had a legitimate topic he wanted to debate Vaush on, he would probably be open to do it on Modern Day Debates.
Caramalised onions are not good.
Raw pickles?
Cucumbers are raw pickles DesTiny
americans bro. they don make much sense
Onion soup? It's onion sauce my guy so good
Destiny is not only a girl’s name……………………..……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..it’s a girl’s stripper name
No way did this dude Vaush actually admit he’s fine with cultural erasure… also that rain dance = no agricultural improvement take was really something 😂😂😂
Cultural erasure isn't necessarily bad, right? If your culture enables certain negative behaviors (human sacrifice, questionable sexual dynamics, slavery), fuck your culture.
A dude who identifies as “pagan” talking all softly and rationally and randomly dropping the names of Norse gods is incredibly triggering to me.
I can't stand people who convert to dead religions. They're always such dorky fucking larpers. They need be. It's not like this guy was raised Pagan. He wasn't indoctrinated. He has no formative emotional connection or investment in Paganism, but he chooses to "follow" it. I would guess because he derives some existential satisfaction and egoic validation from the aesthetic and esoteric connotations of following Paganism. Absolutely insufferable.
Why?
@@wyldcardsam Because he reminds me of a scenester.
Bro you hatin' on Baldur?
@@Tavat so you don't have a rational reason
In the first few minutes Vausch admits that he wants to remove cultural practices, and basically culturally enforce homogeneous thought. This is classic colonialism and imperialism. How the fuck is he on the left?!?!
As long as the cultural practices being erased are seen as “bad” in his world view he’s fine with it. Despite the fact that he will denounce it when conservatives do the same shit. These types of “ends justify the means” people exist on both sides of the political spectrum and they’re equally dangerous fr.
I don't like Vaush, but his arguments were better than the ones from the pagan guy.
If you truly believe this, you likely misunderstood the debate. The pagan guy correctly pointed out how Vaush's problems with religion come from consequentialism and not religion itself. He would never sacrifice people, even if his gods told him to, because he believes that behaviour is inherently bad, while Vaush would do it if he believed it would benefit humanity.
Destiny's Based take on Onions makes me a proud member of the Daliban...
Raw onions are the only thing that make me eat salads, its top tier
That seasoning he mentioned is the basics of decently flavoured food.
The specific religion doesn’t matter, Vaush doesn’t need knowledge on a specific religion, it’s about underlining the central point which is that it’s dangerous and harmful to base beliefs on reality off of faith, non-empirical evidence. Apparently Destiny understands this central point but still finds a way to disagree with Vaush lmao. Also the pantheistic was really dishonest in this debate. He did flip flop between pragmatics and ethics, and seemed to avoid vaush’s central point altogether. Destiny called Vaush’s engagement basic, but the other guy seemed to not be able to follow his very basic argument. He was the one not engaging with the central argument, not vaush.
But the same agreement can be said about a lot of science because to get to “facts” you have to have faith in a theory you have and to get to the fact scientists have show to do many many questionable or terrible things to get there. Many people also can be turned away from faith when talked to about the flaws in it.
Me sitting here eating a pickle from the jar for my tummy ache 👀...dang man
me drinking the pickle juice afterwards
Two minutes in and Destiny makes the assumption that reasonable minds should or even could have two completely different religious interpretations. If reason is based on reality, and there is only one reality or truth, how is that even possible?
Because reason is not really based on reality. Reason is all about the interpretation of reality. And axioms are not always so obvious. Two perfectly reasonable minds could examine the exact same part of reality and come to drastically different conclusions if they have different axioms.
@@russelld2925 That's only possible through speculation, which is rather distinct from reason. Reason only has value because it can be measured, which your comment seems to suggest isn't the case.
Is Destiny TRULY midwestern if he doesn’t like eating pickle out of the jar? How about drinking the pickle juice straight from the jar? I feel like everyone I know up here does that
Dill Pickles help so much with acid reflux though… take a sip of the juice and munch on one slowly, always helps my nausea go away, no idea why, learned it from my Grandma :)
Old wisdom.
The acidity of the vinegar tricks your stomach into releasing less of its own acid.
Destiny “Raw Pickles” Bonnell
to have the right ethics, you just Are the one in charge. thats how it works in vaush world
The many put the one in charge anyway
Being anti-theist and respecting the freedom of religion aren't excluded. I consider religion something that can only hurt humanity so I'll speek out when I see something bad happening because of religion, and I would encourage any theist to think about their believes and idealy abandon it, but even as a "god-emperor" I wouldn't make religion illegal.
Lmao destiny's take on onions was probably the whitest thing he could've said during this vid.. the fact that he only mentioned burgers and salad in regards onion as an example bruh. come on add seasoning caramelize that thing and damn shits fire af
True onions are so versatile.
"Can you put salt on chicken" cmon now destiny lmao
Destiny keeping his food takes on brand.
Right in our feeds
Ocean keltoi knows his stuff, Vaush is out of his league.
2:15 - isn't two bright minds disagreeing on non-solvable issues just more valuable input than one opinion?
Not really. It's all wasted breath.
Love Ocean Keltoi. Woud love to see Destiny speak with him at some point!
"caramel sucks" finally a good Destiny food take.
You’re a baby grow the FUCK UP NOW
It always boils down to utilitarian ethics for these people.
And they never seem to self assess what these ideas are in utility of...
Well that's because you can at least come up with justified, logical positions grounded in the real world in regards to ethics from a utilitarian standpoint. What's the alterative? "My invisible sky daddy said X is bad so therefor it is"? If you don't justify your positions from a utilitarian perspective it just comes down to people arguing back and forth about feelings and superstition.
@@Sanosukeafo you could justify genocide too if it lead to future utility.
salt and pepper EVERYTHING
Might become conservative after that pickle take
Welcome comrade
i think Vaush played CK3 once which is why he took this debate
We need Vaush bingo.
A guy who alsls “can I put salt on chicken” suddenly becomes the authority on chicken wings.
58:11 - no you can't, once you remove the foundation, the building crumbles. Ping, Pong, Ding, Dong, TILT!
I'd kick Destiny out of my restaurant before he even ordered.
people who critique religious atrocities often forget the intense entanglement of religion and politics throughout most of history. viewed from this perspective, human sacrifice has more political utilities than supernatural ones. even today the favour of priests and bishops can greatly enhance the esteem of a politician, and conducting a religious right can have very real non-tangible benefits very much aside from any hypothetical spiritual ones.
also, people who believe human sacrifice to please the gods becomes IMMEDIATELY logical and moral as soon as the existence and will of the gods becomes clear are psychopaths. if the gods demand blood, then the gods are evil. simple.
Most of group conflicts is purely ethnic/national, ideology is almost always an excuse. Secular states of the 20th century may have contributed to more death by warfare, than all religious states of the past 20 centuries.
@@vashlash6870 if we're not including nationalism and racial superiority as ideologies, then maybe i don't know what that word means?
"Lab Leak Theory" will force Destiny to question the central core of the world governance that he puts way too much respect into.
Nice meme lol
As it should. Its real. Not some crazy conspiracy theory. So should the fbi working with tech companies to censor stories such as Hunters laptop. Its literally facism...
can you put salt on chicken? wtf are you even asking for?
Destiny is ridiculous carnalized onions are amazing
44:45 - Blue Cheese with my buffalo wings, hot hot hot, not all over but just a tiny dip, sorry that's how I roll. Oh fuck ranch
In n Out onions may be what he's describing cause caramelized onions have not had their flavor cooked out. They're sweeter, that's what caramelized means.
There’s a reason destiny is a debater and not a chef
Carmelized onion is god tier, french onion soup is god tier. Any adult that disagrees still eats dino nuggies.
I feel like Destiny talked to Sargon literally about this very thing.
Ok Barry's tea bags
Vaush being so bad at everything makes us all feel so smart.
But….he’s outpaced Destiny, intellectually! 😂
He's a coffee & adderall jive talker 👄...nothing more
@@pommiebears good joke
Looks like he did fine in this debate, though beating up on religious people is pretty easy.
Most of what Vaush said was right. I know it's a meme, but Destiny was pretty contrarian here.
I think the opening point (before the video) is kinda disingenuous, I like to believe my values are based off human happiness & freedom, which isnt spiritual.
@@Evadann what if some things make some people happy but not most people? is this built on the democratic happiness of all humans?
Like what?
@@Evadann it absolutely is spiritual
What vaush said was right when arguing against mono theism
One day destiny will accept dill pickle supremacy.
Einstein was not religous. He was "religious". He defined his religiosity basically as god being the label for order in the seeming chaos of the universe. Did not believe in a personal god.