JVC RS2100 (NZ7) vs Epson LS12000 - Sharpness Test
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Change RUclips resolution to 4K for best quality and accurate depiction. This is a sharpness test comparison between two popular and current generation laser projectors. The first half of the video is sharpness testing at PC desktop, and the second half of the video is of various real world media with 4K, 8K, and 12K RUclips clips. Both projectors are getting the exact same signal, split via Marantz AV10 processor.
Thanks for this, you are basically the only person including calibrators and reviewers that actually give any info regarding real life sharpness, not only mumbo jumbo regardin the glass/optics used.
Watching this on a 4K OLED and the Epson is the overall winner with more contrast and details. The differences would not be that noticeable if you weren't comparing side-by-side though and I'm sure the colors could be tweaked on JVC as well depending on preference. But I think this also proves that 1080P Pixel Shift can look just as good as 4K Native.
Jonathan, Excellent comparison video. Just subscribed. I have an Epson 5040Ub and think it’s great. If I upgrade to Epson LS12000 laser projector, will I get better or worse as far as color? Some say Epson laser lacks a bit of color compared to the 5040 or 5050 projectors. I have a hard time believing that but since you had the 5040 and the LS, what do you think?
Thank you in advance brother 👍🏻
I think sometimes our eyes don’t measure like fancy lab equipment, and our ears don’t hear like fancy lab equipment either (and I mean that primarily on the negative end - as in we humans don’t see or hear as well as lab equipment). In my experience the LS12000 is a small tick up in every characteristic over the 5040UB and 5050UB which I think are remarkably similar. The negative exception being no 3D, and slower HDMI lock times). The positive exceptions being HDR handling, and full fade to black, image uniformity, and frame interpolation which are big improvements. But small improvements would be sharpness, no dynamic iris pumping, gaming, native 4K text rendering with its 4K pixel shift, more image brightness stability with laser, etc. I think colors are more punchy than the 5040UB too, especially in my custom settings. I do think it his is a refinement or evolution, instead of a revolution from either, but I find it well worth the upgrade.
how did the black levels compare to eachother though?
Video upcoming. Also check out my thread on that here at AVSforum. www.avsforum.com/threads/jvc-rs2100-nz7-autocal-calibrated-vs-epson-ls12000-gamma-calibrated-a-comparison-in-pictures-and-videos.3285715/#nested_reply_top_post
I agree the images are really close. I would love to see another video guessing game I would bet a lot of people would not be able to tell one from the other if you didn’t tell them. To me the Epson looks better color wise the JVC seems to have a strange huge the whites look almost orange and the blue does not look blue.
The image on the jvc looks like 2015 benq Dlp projector. Epson wins
Very nice comparisson! Gj!
Owning a 6050ub it looks like the ls 12000 is a LOT sharper.
Fantastic comparison!! Not enough people actually zoom in and check the real sharpness or text clarity on this stuff. For gaming the letters will almost always be larger for most elements so together with the better input lag the Epson is hard to beat! Couple with an HDfury and you have an insane machine for the price compared to the JVC.
Jonathan - Your comparison is actually far superior than the projector shoot out video. Its for the average person who needs the best bang for his budget. What are your thoughts on LS2000 vs UB5050 ?
I owned a 5040UB so I can speak to that. I have seen multiple different 5050UB and I never thought there was really any noticeable difference between the 5040UB I had and the 5050UB when not side by side - and I never had an opportunity to side by side them. The LS12000 is a noticeable step up in every characteristic from the 5040UB with the exception of black floor for dim content. It’s basically the same there which is near the limit of LCD panel technology. However, the LS12000 laser has full fade to black which can easily trick you into a smile because it’ll fade to full black in a movie and you can’t see your hand in front of your face when it happens. I watched Super Mario Brothers tonight in 4K HDR on the Epson LS12000 and the full fade to black happened about 5 times and I was just thinking while watching the whole movie - Dang this looks good! It’s a evolution over the 5040UB and 5050UB. I personally think it’s worth it, because you lose iris pumping and bulb issues, and you gain sharpness and full fade to black, and a more stable laser image, but $2000 isn’t chump change and so they are both great choices IMO. Be aware the LS12000 doesn’t have 3D - if that’s important to you. The 5050UB does.
Great video man!
This is great. Any chance you can throw the Sony 6000ES in this mix against one or the other and give us that analysis?
If I had one, I’d do so, but I own both the JVC and the Epson, and don’t own any Sony models.
Behind Enemy Lines that was the movie ( Owen Wilson ) I was talking about Not Blackhawk Down
Seiko Epson wins
I may just be old and out of touch, but does Seiko mean something I should now? :) Make me hip!
thanks😌
I guess it is not surprising to see different results from different tests from different reviewers... in the Value Electronics shootout last year the epson ls12000 was soundly defeated by even the JVC NP5 in motion resolution, detail/sharpness, color accuracy, brightness and black levels.. it was a complete knockout... the scorecard/shoot results are available online... the JVC projectors won in every single price category... and the images that were shown during the shootout spoke volumes... and there were reps from sony, epson and jvc .... yet here in your tests the differences dont look as exaggerated... so weird... appreciate your efforts.. i ended up buying the NZ9 after owing a sony VPL 4k projector for 9 years and I couldnt be happier(was going to buy the sony 7000es but the lack of hdmi 2.1 was a deal breaker for me)... after the JVC 2.00 update the 4k discs i play on the panosonic ub9000 are unreal... the update improvements with HDR brightness are significant... and i game a lot with an xbox series x at 4k 120hz.. and again.. i feel spoiled
You might fine this thread of interest: www.avsforum.com/threads/an-informal-set-up-as-i-use-them-a-b-comparison-between-the-jvc-rs2100-nz7-and-the-epson-ls12000-projectors-with-kansas-city-ht-enthusiasts.3262933/
@@jvonengeln also NZ7 is now discounted at $8,999 at all retailers... dont know if this is a temporary price reduction or permanent... but under $9k for the JVC is pretty incredible
Quick question, people mention that the other projectors have better black levels… I know that it wouldn’t be an apples to apples comparison but as someone who currently owns a 2017 Sony 75” 900e TV, would this epson be as good as that TV? Or around that area? Not sure if that’s even a fair question to ask haha cause I’m not sure if it’s a reasonable comparison.
Looks like your 900e TV has good blacks at 5000:1 or even 6000:1. The Epson LS12000 projecor will be a little bit worse than your TV at around 4000:1 contrast. HOWEVER, I think there are other image aspects that are worth consideration and the Epson has a very sharp, big, colorful image, and it’s a fun screen to watch a movie on. If you went to something like a 150” screen, I doubt you’d think twice about missing that TV.
@@jvonengeln do to my room speaker placement I can do 110” screen but nothing bigger but that still substantially bigger.
Hi Jonathan, I hope all is well with you today. I have a request to ask of you. Can you do a black level and contrast vid as well as how many lumens are lost when the LS12000 is calibrated. I have been reading that the lumens drop so low that there isn't much difference in lumens when compared to the NP5. I just found that hard to believe. I just don't see the projector dropping that much in lumens. Thanks again.
That’s incoming over the next couple months. It doesn’t drop as low as NP5 calibrated. My LS12000 is calibrated in one of its configs and it is about as bright as the JVC NZ7 when both are calibrated. NP5 would be less brightness calibrated than either LS12000 or NP5.
@@jvonengeln that's what I thought. When I was hearing people state that the LS12000 drops so much in lumens that the NP5 is around the same brightness I knew that was bull jive. Especially with my experience with JVC projectors. Thanks again Jonathan and I look forward to those vids.
Where did you get these tests patterns
Web search quick brown fox test pattern. The other images are just RUclips 4K HDR and 8K HDR videos for the most part.
I still use my Darbee with my RS500 and love that extra punch it gives. You must be careful where you put the Darbee in the chain because it can't pass a 4K signal.
I use to own a 6050 and now a 4K JVC. I never complained about the sharpness on my Epson though over time I started to turn down the image enhancement preferring the more natural look and it’s probably why I like the JVC even more. But you can’t go wrong with either.
Great comparaison and for the price the epson is well placed.
From what I can see, the JVC have better contrast (deeper blacks), far better sharp (for 4k compared to epson wobulation which is absolutely normal) and really better HDR tone mapping (especially on highlights where epson is burning everything). But damm for the price the epson looks good. It should be compared to the xw5000 where it might win the battle.
I have compared the epson vs Nz8 in my dedicated room with madVR and my opinion is that the JVC was better in everything. I've not tested the Nz7 versus the epson but your video let me think JVC is also better.
But JVC is more expensive and for the price the Epson is very good (same price as the Sony xw5000 in France).
Hello Francois. Did you test the Epson in its dynamic picture mode settings? It’s the only picture mode that allows for the espons aggressive laser dimming. You can read about that on AVSforum. Unfortunately the other out of the box picture modes really can’t compete with the black levels of the JVC, but dynamic picture mode with its aggressive laser dimming comes much closer. You just have to calibrate the colors on the dynamic picture mode. Doesn’t sound like you have the Epson anymore. But if you did, please google Archaea settings Epson LS12000 and you should find some posts on avsforum with some settings to try to make the Epson far more competitive with the JVC. I had an NZ8 owner over at my house and he said if he’d have seen the Epson in that mode he’d have not bought his NZ8.
@@jvonengeln I'm going to try but there are still things that bother me about the Epson: The black has a blue tint that is impossible to correct (and really not deep) and the projector is not 4k (and the difference is huge with my Nz8 ). These two criteria are very important to me (and I'm not counting the JVC DTM which is really very efficient).
The Epson is great value for money but we can't say that the image quality is equivalent to what NZ7/NZ8 is offering... Ok the step price is huge but technically speaking the JVC is better in my point of view
Another fantastic and informative video Jonathan! I really enjoy your detailed, technical, and fact based approach to A/V and home theater. Keep up the good work, really looking forward to the next video!
Is there a chance you might put out a video on the Marantz AV10 anytime soon? I’ve been eyeballing it and would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Your comparison test videos were amazing! You saved me a bunch of money because I was starting to talk myself into the NZ7 but the stuff that is more important to me is the same as you. So I just wound up picking up an LS12000. Curious since you have had this projector for around a year if you have a set group of settings you use for different content? Also curious if you use an PC Madvr for movies and found some great settings for those. Would make another great video .. hint hint :) Either thanks for everything .
I do have my recommended settings. And making a video on them is a good idea. Google search avsforum + ls12000 owner thread and then scroll to post 5. You’ll find my recommended settings in post 5 of the owners thread as well as other enthusiasts recommended settings.
@@jvonengeln Awesome, thanks!
I post as Archaea by the way (on avsforum)
Big mistake. The jvc is in a while different league. You are going to regret trusting this bad video
@@shaolin95why ? it’s clear that the epson looks better here. True Native JVC vs Epson LS12000 at the price the JVC comes in I would expect it to be miles ahead
Thank you for the review! I am looking to upgrade my 8 year old Sony projector and reviews like this help with my decision
How do they compare on black/shadow detail?
Video upcoming. In the meanwhile check out my thread on that here at avsforum. www.avsforum.com/threads/jvc-rs2100-nz7-autocal-calibrated-vs-epson-ls12000-gamma-calibrated-a-comparison-in-pictures-and-videos.3285715/#nested_reply_top_post
Probably a dumb question Jonathan, but is it possible that the JVC was not focused to the screen quite as well as the Epson.
I have an older JVC RS-45 (which I still love) and just got a Seymore 137" AT screen from Ryan, and I find a very subtle adjustment in focus makes a huge difference in clairity.
Looking at your comparison, it looks like the Epson wins on many levels - purity of white (even after the JVC "warms up" - or "cools down" - lol) and color depth and vibrance.
I know you didn't focus on black levels in this video, but the Epson seems to be "very capable" at 1/2 the price. - Thanks! - Cheers!
JVC was absolutely focused, and even pixel grid alignment/convergence was set correctly. (Out of box was a little off). I used text in the Excel document to set focus on both projectors. The JVC handles dark dim scenes with much more detail than the Epson. That is a remaining video I plan to do (Though everyone already knows the JVC has better deep blacks). What they may not know is that objectively at higher APL levels the Epson has better blacks. If there is a very bright image and a very dark image on the screen at the same time the Epson has better contrast. If the overall screen is dim the JVC has better contrast. I plan to showcase this in a future video.
You mentioned in video how well the LS12000 compares to NZ7, but 15:48 is quite telling at 2160P HDR on my iPad Pro. Might save enough on the LS12000 to put a nice down payment on a Storm or Trinnov level processor, a MadVR Envy, or whatever one needs to kick their HT up a notch. Excellent presentation.
If you have time I'd be interested in your opinion. I currently have the ls12000b. It had a dead pixel and went back to epson twice to get fixed. (U.K.) changed the light engine first time. Came back with several dead pixels plus dust blobs. On the second return, light engine and assembly changed, no dead pixels but even more dust blobs. Overall around 4 months. To be fair to epson they have now offerd a full refund. Reading on all the tech sites and speaking to my callibrator he has seen several with the same issues. I currently am very nervous about getting another one, yet nothing comes close to it in the price bracket in the u.k. here the epson is around 4.5 k sterling. The np5 is aroumd 7.5k sterling but the nz7 is aroumd 11.5k Sterling. We seem to pay a premium here for jvc ..i dont know why. Eg nz7 is £11,499/$11000 which makes no sense when you look at exchange rates but another oddball is the sony 7000. Here it is marketed against the NZ8 both around £15000 whereas in the usa its marketed against the nz9 as it retails for $27999 ? It doesn't even have hdmi 2.1 and so cant do 4k 120? I game 50% of the time and uae 4k120. Would the np5 be an upgrade over the 12000? Same question for the nz7? I have a completely blacked out velvet room. 2.35:1 screen. Around 15ft throw distance. Projector is behind me around 5ft so a quiet operation is important to me.
I missed this. I prefer gaming far more on the Epson, but the JVC NP5 will make you smile with lower APL content. I’ve had my hands on two Epson LS12000 and both were perfect. I borrowed one from the first MWAVE and liked it so much I bought one myself. I’m sorry you’ve run into trouble with the Epson. Epson refurbs are no good in my experience. Maybe take the refund and buy another new one. Or try an NP5 and see what you think. I cannot personally recommend the Sony. Web search Sony panel contrast degrade and you’ll find they have panel problems where contrast gets awful over time. The Sony also flickers hardcore. Of the price bracket, in my opinion Epson LS12000 is the best. Since it’s been a while, what did you decide?
I think I like the Epson better on this test..
One reviewer showed a pretty disgusting one sided comparison of the ls 12000 and the Sony xw 5000...clearly here, the Epson is not only just as good, but in some instances even better! GOOD ON YOU EPSON!👍👍🙏
The Epson needs to be in its dynamic picture mode to get laser dimming to the point it’s competitive with Sony or JVC. Then you have to calibrate the color of the dynamic mode. If not in dynamic mode it’s contrast will be much less than in dynamic mode and the Epson won’t have full fade to black. Most reviewers don’t know this and so they don’t compare the Epson in its strongest way. The JVC NZ7 beats the Sony XW5000 and here you can see how the LS12000 compares to the NZ7. You can see they are both setup correctly here. So you can make up your own mind on what you see.
DEFINITELY agree with you!@@jvonengeln
Thanks for the well done review! I don’t think it was said, but what screen are you using? Just purchased an ls12000 and am contemplating a gray vs white screen. Thanks!
Seymour XD fabric - 144”, 2.35:1
Thanks Archaea, this has me wondering if a nice used used Lumagen Pro would be that impactful with the Epson as it already has that subtle sharpening? (Obviously the HDR would be better but at $3K maybe not worth it)
Unsure. I have almost zero experience with those. I’ve seen them in rooms twice, but no hands on playing time yet.
In dark scenes, the Jvc will beat it in contrast. The Epsons sharpness is impressive for a 1080p projector. Sony native 4k will kill them both.
I don’t agree with this. Sony panels have contrast degradation over time. They often end up being worse than DLP contrast in a couple years according to many tests on avsforum. JVC and Epson don’t have that problem. Also Epson has better intrascene contrast than JVC - objectively. (ANSI). You can see that in all three of my videos. When. There is bright and dark on the screen at the same time the Epsons dark is darker. While JVC has much better native contrast. (When there is only dark/dim on the screen).
I’ve been pondering an upgrade from my 5050ub for the last year or two. It’s calibrated and still produces an amazing image. So much so that none of the current generation of projectors in the sub 10k range offers enough at this point to warrant the money. I would even say the color on my 5050 is closer to the JVC here. Guess I’ll wait to see what the next gen brings. I have time.
I too think skipping a generation between projector versions is a good plan. The rumor mill is saying the next Epson might be a pretty big jump up in lumens. We shall see. They have a commercial version that is something like 8000 lumens that MAY share some underpinnings with the next HT version according to some hints on avsforum.
How would the LS12000 with MadVR Extreme compare to the NZ9. I already have the LS12000 now. Thanks Tom
At MWAVE 2023 the LS12000 was compared to the NZ8 with MadVR and the LS12000 was preferred by the majority audience.
How does the Epson tone mapping compared to the NC 7 when you're streaming Netflix Amazon Prime
JVC has the advantage with its dynamic tone mapping in an “extremes” type torture test situation, say a 10,000 NIT scene or a 5 NIT scene, however with most content I can leave the tone mapping alone and be hands off on the Epson LS12000 too. I have messed with the HDR slider about 4 times in a full year of use on the Epson after I dialed in my settings. (Those 4 times because I was unhappy with my personal customized settings for that specific content). 3 of those times/shows were Disney + streaming content that has notoriously poor HDR. So I propose that the Epson LS12000 has passed the good enough threshold.
I would have considered the Epson but no 3D support, bummer.
Yes. That’s a concern for some. I had a 3D capable projector for 3 years and didn’t even buy any glasses because my previous 3D projector I bought 8 glasses for and probably only watched 3 movies in 4-5 years in 3D. So for my use preferences it’s no loss.
Hi Jonathan, terrific work! Impressed with your ability to blend stats and subjective impressions.
What are your thoughts on the LS1100 vs the LS1200? Thank you
I haven’t seen the LS11000, but people I trust have. They measured it at about half the native contrast as the LS12000. Since that’s a shortcoming on the Epson as is, I think I would recommend only the LS12000. The LS12000 has a 4,500:1 ish contrast ratio, and the LS11000 has a 2,000:1ish contrast ratio. The 2,000:1 is more like DLP projector black levels. You can see double the contrast difference. If you were going to be watching these both in a room with windows or the lights on, it won’t matter, but if you are watching these at night or in a controller room you would absolutely be able to tell the difference in those two contrast ratings.
@@jvonengeln much appreciated!
They are coming out with 98-inch mini leds for under 10,000. Unless you're going 120 or above, a tv will always be brighter and look better.
True. BUT. I love my speakers behind my screen. It’s a true cinema sound that can’t be replicated with your speakers outside the image. For that reason I’m probably a projector fan for life. I do love my C2 OLED for gaming though!
@@jvonengeln Do you prefer on center channel behind the screen or all 3 front speakers?
This is an excellent comparison, thanks so much. The time you took and attention to detail is very welcome. Also this is the first such comparison I've seen with the colors dialed in properly. I am familiar with your posts on avs, also very helpful.
I have a 12000 on the way but to me the JVC looks more natural and filmlike. Not a surprise given the price points. Epson is slightly oversaturated in every video I've seen, and I think the digital sharpening on your setup is a hair overdone - as you said it's a matter of preference. I would love to see this kind of comparison where you dial back the digital enhancement to see how the natural look compares between the two? None of this is meant as a criticism, I found this to be the best video I've seen on the subject of the 12000 so far.
Thank you. I’ve sold my JVC, because I personally prefer the Epson. I will tell you that pixelpusher15 calibrated my Epson in dynamic mode after the MWAVE 2024 show to a more neutral color spectrum and it was no longer over saturated colors, in fact I told him to bump the colors back up to a saturated state because that is my preference and thankfully he did so. I say that to say if you don’t want oversaturated colors you don’t have to use them. As to digital sharpness there are 5 settings out of the box for image enhancement and you can customize each individually from the defaults. Sounds like might prefer a lower image enhancement setting. After you get the projector and spend some time with it, report back, if you don’t mind. I’m curious as to how you like it.
@@jvonengeln So I've got a refurb LS12 now and have had some issues with a couple of duds - one had a hot pixel and the other buzzed right out of the box. These factory refurbs are through a trusted dealer, I would have thought they'd be better. Picture on the buzzing one is even better than the first. I feel the sharpness is better. Everything about it would be perfect except for the sound it is making. That all said, after some struggling, I have finally dialed it in (although it will be replaced) and I have to say it is absolutely gorgeous. I struggle with extreme sensitivity to SOE, can never have any type of FI on. And unfortunately I was getting SOE even with every enhancement you can imagine off, which was disturbing me greatly.
Took me some time this last few days to discover it was the way I had Kodi sending info to the projector. Please feel free to let people know on the forums if you see them struggling similarly with SOE when there shouldn't be any, that you can't send a 24fps signal, at least from Kodi on a Pi, to the Epson. The Epson does some kind of funky image processing - assuming a 3:2 pulldown - which causes a certain judder which gives this effect off in small doses, but enough to completely ruin any filmtype experience for me. I had an 8350 and then a 5030 and never had this issue. Anyway, the solution, thank God, is to send it a multiple of 30 from Kodi - 30 or 60. Let Kodi handle the processing. And let the projector project. I saw many unresolved threads on the subject. I bet this is the answer in several of the cases.
After all that, I have ended up with the most beautiful image I can imagine in my theater, extraordinarily filmlike. I want to say perfect, I guess it could be blacker, but even my pitch black theater with a shadowbox still has some reflectivity. I can't stand them on an OLED, but I am not too bothered by the motion artifacts (trails) because at least in the case of the Epson, I perceive them as film. So although I agree the Low FI mode is extremely nice, I can't watch that way unless it's video. I've put the colors where I want and the image processing where I want, and with Kodi sending the correct signal, this thing is a tremendous win in every way, and I can see why you prefer it to JVC or anything else. Thanks again for the advice and help!
Youre panning the camera too fast
Thanks for watching, I’ll keep that in mind as I make my next one. Keep in mind it was on a tripod for a lot of the filming - so that part should be steady.
Nice job! I’ve owned JVCs for a while now but Epson is pretty breathtaking…anything not native 4K should be an absolute mess on 4K text, but surprisingly it’s not. I did notice a faint greenish tinge to the video clips, or it could just be compared to the JVC which is historically warm…just curious if this was a calibrated dynamic mode?-Pottscb
It is dynamic mode gamma calibrated (because dynamic mode on the Epson is the only mode that offers full fade to black with the laser) in this video using an advance colorchecker plus, and the JVC was autocal calibrated using the same meter. You may find this thread of additional interest. www.avsforum.com/threads/jvc-rs2100-nz7-autocal-calibrated-vs-epson-ls12000-gamma-calibrated-a-comparison-in-pictures-and-videos.3285715/
But where can I get my ls12000b calibrated😂Its appearance looks so perfect although seems grey or blue in the dark scenery
Hello - try web searing for archaea ls12000 halfsie settings. Or look at post five in the avsforum ls12000 owners thread. Or send me a PM on avsforum. I post as archaea
@@jvonengeln Thank you brother
How did that work out for you?
Hi Jonathan, what HDMI cable would you recommend for JVC NZ8?
Thank you so much
Here’s a good thread on that. I recommend paying a little more for certified cables. www.avsforum.com/threads/short-list-of-certified-hdmi-cables-for-hdmi-2-1.3227668/
great video! were the black levels also comparable? from the video it definitely looked the same. Also is your screen a standard white screen?
My screen is a Seymour XD acoustic transparent material. I will have video showing black level comparison out next month.
Waiting for that video eagerly
@@jvonengelnI have not seen that video yet is it out?
I’m definitely not seeing 6 thousand dollars of difference between the two. After having them both, which do you prefer? If I was going to give you the epson and a 6 thousand dollar check or just the nz7 which would you pick?
I prefer the Epson in most every category except for black floor. The JVC wins on black floor. Interestingly however, the Epson has better (measurably) intrascene contrary than the JVC - that is when both very bright and very dark objects are on the screen. But if the overall image is dark, and there aren’t bright highlights - that’s were the JVC shows it’s best attribute. I will showcase this in a future comparison video. In answer to your question, there is no way I can personally justify 2x the cost for the JVC. As you can see they both thrown and incredible picture. I prefer gaming, and sharpness, and motion, and intrascene contrast on the Epson. Sci-fi I prefer on the JVC.
@@jvonengeln I'm building a home theater room that is dedicated light controlled, I was all about the epson but have been going back and forth between the two. Love the black levels on the JVC from what I have seen. Could a grey screen help with black levels on the epson to bring it closer to the JVC? Obviously it wouldn't match them I wouldn't think but because it is a light cannon there might be some wiggle room in there. Your thoughts?
On the test pattern the JVC is sharper, but with actual content, surprisingly the Epson is sharper ... and in some scenes actually much sharper. The Epson is better not only on sharpness, but also on colors, contrast and motion. I was not expecting that.
Thanks for doing this comparison Jonathan. This is a very informative and eye opening video.
I just purchased a JVC NP5 from Ryan, and hooked it up last night, and I'm amazed by the out of the box picture quality. But I have a few questions about a couple settings... Do you have the HDR tow mapping set to frame by frame? Also do you have the Motion Enhance set at the default of low, or did you change it?
HDR Tonemapping set to Frame By Frame - yes, and I can't tell much difference with the Motion Enhance settings, so I just left it at default too (of low). If you find good content to actually see a difference with that Motion Enhance setting let me know. So far, I can't really see any difference there. Congrats on your NP5 purchase. I haven't seen one yet, but I'm a big fan of the NX5, and the NP5 should be like a NX5 but with 120Hz.
@@jvonengeln This is the first time I've ever seen a JVC projector in person and all I can say is Wow! Out of the box in filmmaker mode it looks absolutely incredible! The skin tones look natural, and I didn't notice any colors that looked off by eye, but I am planning on getting the Spyder X camera to do the auto calibration in the near future. Also, I have to run the lamp on low, even with HDR content, because the fan noise is significantly louder then my old projector, and I was looking to lower my noise floor in my room... But it's not a huge issue because the image still looks incredible even with the lamp on low. I'm rendering a video right now where I did a quick unboxing and gave my initial thoughts on the projector, so I'll link it here once it's uploaded.
ruclips.net/video/Uro0ZJfH3BM/видео.html
Thanks for this video… I think the epson will be the projector for me. It looks fantastic here!
I was going back and forth between the LS12000 and NP5/NZ7. Was leaning towards the Epson and seeing this definitely tells me that's the way I should go.
I would've love to seen the Sony XW5000 in this group.
If I had access to one, I'd do a series with it too.
Hey what's your thoughts on going with a LS 12000 plus mad? VR envy over a JVC NZ7 with its native tone mapping?
I personally have a hard time justifying the expense of a MADVR Envy, but they are really fantastic. It doesn’t make much sense to me to by a projector for $5k and a video processor that costs $8k. That said; I’d prefer the MADVR Envy and Epson LS12000 for sure. (Especially since, I prefer the Epson LS12000 more over the JVC NZ7 even without MadVR.)
Epson: "richer" colors, competing sharpness and more brightness; JVC: Contrast and black levels
I'm still rocking the original JVC Hd1 with original bulb lol. I'm in serious need of an update 🙈. Seriously considering the Epson seeing as JVC prices are a bit nuts these days.
Not sure which screen is the best option for me though, and trying to discern what works best with which projector and room size is an absolute minefield of information.... Future video maybe?
Thanks for the content 👍
Projector Central has a nice screen size / lumen calculator to get you into the ballpark of what projector you may need for what size screen!
@@jvonengeln thanks for the reply. Yeah I've already looked at that cheers👍. I'm basically right on the limit of fitting in a 120 screen maximum (which wouldn't even work if I hadn't knocked a hole through the back wall for current projector) small house issues lol.
The Epson is so bright in comparison to what I have now that decent black levels will be so much harder to achieve. White screen, grey screen, acoustically transparent, what type of acoustically transparent screen, what gain? So many options that it's not exactly straight forward , then there's the ratio to consider, my head hurts thinking about it 🙈🤣
There's certainly no real definitive answers but a hell of a lot of different opinions 🤷♂️.
@@jaseamondo see if this site helps! pixelht.com/25-acoustically-transparent-screen-materials-reviewed-and-measured/
@@jvonengeln thank you so much, that will be a great help.
Thanks for making these videos. I recently found your channel and helped me tremendously. Just bought an Epson instead of the JVC since I game a lot. Would be great to see some black level demo clips on these side by side to see the difference.
I agree because that's where the differences are. NZ7 is way far better for dark pictures. But .... what a beautiful image anyway on the Epson 😢.
I really don't know what to do.
Stay tuned -- black floor and intrascene contrast comparison will be one of my future videos in this series.
@@jvonengeln looking forward to the black level test. Holding off on the purchace
@@jvonengeln I'm really looking forward to this as well.
Awesome
What about blacklevel and low ADL. Wouldn't this be a nice topic?
Coming up
Perfect 👍
@@jvonengeln didn't come up sadly :)
I think the 8K eshift requires an 8k signal in order to actually turn on ?
If you run a 4k signal, there is no point for the projector to shift 4 times to produce an 8k image out of a 4k once ?
The manual doesn't say much.
It would be good if photos were taken instead of only video.
It would be interesting to see when both playing 8k video, if the 8k e-shift will be sharper than the 4k image the espon produces. But its kinda pointless to be honest. UHD material even at these sizes is more than enough already.
EDIT: Both look amazing! It would be interesting to test the LS12000 against the 6050ub, to compare lazer vs bulb (and black levels)
It doesn’t require 8K to engage. Or at least it certainly changes thing when you turn it off and on with just a 4K signal. I’ve had various e-shift projectors before, front different manufacturers. Think of it as a up-shifter to help minimize the pixel grid, and make things look a little bit sharper with real world content.
As I watch this on my 720p TV lol thanks for the info. I wasn't sure if the Epson LS12K would be a big enough upgrade over my Sony 45ES, I just want 4k and better contrast.
Awesome comparison Jonathan!
I still can’t decide if I need to sell my NX7 and get the Epson. Screen size is a factor and every shoot out most scenes look better on the Epson.
If I had a NX7 and was happy with the picture, I think I'd stay there untill next generation. I personally like to upgrade my projector every other generation, and to be frank, the NZ7 is a very minor upgrade (IMO) from the NX7. Upgrade'itis can be tough to fend off -- but I think you'll see more of a jump in quality if you can skip a generation.
@@jvonengeln my room is not done yet and my worry is I’ll be pushing the NX7 to it’s limits on size. I figured if I can deal with the black floor the Epson is a good deal cause I can sell the NX7 and get the Epson with money maybe even leftover. I do a lot of gaming(not competitive anymore) and 4k 120 is attractive. I just don’t see myself spending much more than what I paid for my NX7 ever which means I doubt the NZ7 replacement would be way out of what I’d want to spend. Ive had 100 conversations about this and read every comparison, I’m just obsessing over this and it’s just how my adhd brain works ha. Your videos are some of the best for this type of context I have seen!
@@Krbasshead I'm planning several more of these in this series. Forthcoming will be 120Hz gaming, blackfloor and intrascene contrast, pop, brightness, HDR tonemapping, laser dimming, PWM.
@@jvonengeln I am looking forward to these!
Hey Jonathan: I have the LS12000 on a 1:1 120" white screen. When I play RUclips 8 or 4 K, the image is excellent. I think at it's price point, you would have to get a NZ8 or 9 to get much improvement. As the LSA12000 doesn't have dynamic tone mapping, don't you think the MadVR would improve the image quite a bit, especially the extreme?
For sure.
I have a MadVr Envy. I wonder how this projector would look with your settings?
FANTASTIC. The Epson LS12000 was coupled with the MADVR Envy at MWAVE 2022, and that combo beat the JVC NZ8 in a side by side to most people's opinion that I talked to.
@@jvonengeln Wow, good to hear. Thank you.
The side by side comparison was illuminating. Difficult to see a difference on text, but real world content was obvious. The "true 4K or nothing" crowd needed an objective counter point. Thanks Jonathan. Looking forward to your video showing black level and intrascene contrast mention below.
Why do i like the ls1200 more? the colour the brightness and the price.
How it's HDR and the blacks?
You can see more on black levels here
www.avsforum.com/threads/jvc-rs2100-nz7-autocal-calibrated-vs-epson-ls12000-gamma-calibrated-a-comparison-in-pictures-and-videos.3285715/#nested_reply_top_post
See here: www.avsforum.com/threads/jvc-rs2100-nz7-autocal-calibrated-vs-epson-ls12000-gamma-calibrated-a-comparison-in-pictures-and-videos.3285715/#nested_reply_top_post
Great the Epson killed the jvc in all pic with half of the price