Who is the greatest table tennis player of all time? Ma Long vs Jan Ove Waldner Olympics 2021 UPDATE
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2021
- Current fans have crowned Ma Long, the recent double grand slam champion the "Greatest of All Time". However, many Waldner fans disagree, and believe there is something more to that title then just championships. They claim that even if Ma Long would have played at the world table tennis championships 2021 he could not be considered the greatest. We look at the reasons behind this dispute now.
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Jan Ove Waldner is the greatest table tennis player in the world. If Ma Long met him in his prime, Waldner would adapt and beat him. That is why Ma Long will never be the Mozart of Table Tennis even after winning 1000 titles. Some things are given from the Almighty, they can never be taught or mastered.
Totally agree that Waldner is the best!
I love how the sports top 2 players of all time have COMPLETELY different styles.
Jan ove waldner was more of an artist. Ma long, although spectacular to watch, is more of a high performing engine
The GOAT title is not dependent on titles or matches won. It’s right there is a correlation, but there is also charismatic personality and play style to be put into consideration. Waldner makes his opponents run a marathon with ease, with minimum effort. A single match or tournament has absolutely no value, there is too much numbers of variables which decide win or loss (Players with troubled minds won’t reschedule a tournament). Ma long was created in an inhumane sport factory in China. Waldner grew up in his passion. There is a difference.
"inhumane sport factory in China"s China hater....there are many super modern training table tennis camps for kids to national team..... As a Canadian I would say Canada's hockey program is similar......some parents of hockey kids are considered inhumane.
38mm ball kicks from the racket more. That means spin variation and spin deception has more consequence. If you read the spin wrong, you are more easily punished.
21 pts also mean energy conservation is a thing. You might start off well with gun blazing, but can you sustain 5 sets of 21? Multiple matches in a single day?
Waldner's style was made for 38mm ball.
Good analysis and statistics! Another consideration - Ma Long comes from a place that is essentially a ping pong "Top Gun" school. Could Waldner have won more championships if he grew up in China instead of Sweden?
Waldner is a product of Sweden's sports culture.His role model was Bjorn Borg.China has a totally different approach to sports based on endless drilling and strict pattern training which is why they excell only in technical niche sports like diving,TT etc.
Waldner would never have made it under China's system.
Besides,he had a penchant for spin which goes totally against China's speed/badminton like approach.
Ma Long's numbers are due to the dismissed level of international competition( partly due to the collapse of the USSR,new rules that hurt Koreans penholders etc.) and the focus on the Olympics which come in 4 years cycles.
Waldner basically did. The Swedish training camp was extremely tough, they also went to China to specifically train against the pen-technic holding.
If Waldner was born in China, his playing style would have been different, more robotic like with superior technique but less creativity.
@@richmondkro Technically Waldner was superior to the Chinese as he could play from all distances.Kong Linghui had the benefit of 10 years of technical progress yet his forehand was nowhere near Waldner.
The first Chinese who could compare to Waldner was Zhang Jike.It took them more than than 20 years to catch up with Waldner's comprehensive abilities and I don't think Ma Long does anything better than Waldner.
The ball control of Waldner is unmatched
Some would argue Randy Daytona is the GOAT.
Obviously Ma Long, two circles of grand slams, the greatest player of all time.
Probably Ma long. Just based on sheer statistical data.
Also I'm pretty sure far more people play table tennis now than earlier.
Although there is a good argument for Waldner as well
Yeah. I think Ma Long is better.
statistical data are pretty irrelevant.Fan Zhedong at 24 yo has better statistics than Ma Long had at the same age.Now that the CNT consists of only 5 members one of them being a lefty who will focus on doubles with hardly any aspirations for single titles it's even easier to dominate.In Waldner's time the CNT consisted of 11 players.
@@dickn.ormous1064 yeah so? Statistical data is always relevant. We aren't comparing Fan Zhedong and Ma long, we are comparing waldner and Ma Long
When I watch table tennis, I don’t watch statistics. I just want to be entertained. Waldner was the best entertainer.
Maybe they are both the greatest cause they didn't play the same rules.
Neither it’s Forrest Gump damn newbs 😁
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Waldner is the only one who has won the world championships without lose a single game through out the whole tournament. That is a good reason why he can be considerd the best player of all time
He played when China wasn’t good lmaoo how could you possibly say that? That’s like saying George mikan was the goat before black people were allowed to play basketball
No way people actually still saying this after ma long second gold right? Lmaoo bro all love for waldner but his fans delusional as fuck
It’s not that we’re delusional. Waldner left a lasting impact on the table tennis world. His success paved the way for a new wave of players from China like Zhang Jike, Ma Long, and Xu Xin. Even Ma Long himself said that Waldner is a player who transformed table tennis into an art and he hopes to learn from Waldner.
Waldner is like Maradona to football
Ma Long is already the goat for a few years now, but here we're back to this shit argument again. I mentioned before in a similar video in the past that some Waldner fan will never give up even if ML win the 2020 Tokyo and this is it.
Won all of his medals against the same players Xu Xin/Fan Zhedong and Xu Xin has a ridiculously flawed game that failed him even in doubles(2020 Olympics).
@@dickn.ormous1064 LMAO! I can feel the pain in your words. Keep clinging on your ignorance because Waldner is no longer the goat and the world won't care about your pain.
@@dickn.ormous1064 Ma Long is the GOAT of table tennis. Period.
Current table tennis is like the current NBA. It's "softer" today than before. Faster balls and lower nets would require much more skill and all. Age would definitely claim many victims as they lose speed.
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If both were in their prime with any rules, Ma would effortlessly beat Waldner 3:0. Not only does ma have a relentless attack, and amazing footwork, his consistency, control, and placement are just out of this world.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Waldner took a game from Ma in 2010, and Waldner was way past his prime (45 years old). Ma also lost to Timo, and Walder beat Timo many times, including the 2004 Olympics when Waldner was 38. Sometimes, creativity beats power.
Waldner hands down. Became the first goat in table tennis and China looked up to him a lot for inspiration. Without Waldner, China wouldn’t have been able to produce such champions like Ma long, Zhang Jike.
lol same could be said about waldner,without the Chinese there wouldn’t be a waldner or any waldner. The Chinese made waldner,though we Chinese came to admire him later on.
Ma long RESULT MORE PRETTY THAN WALDER
Yes if one strickly counts medals Ma, Long, but he's also a machine. His mechanical style of play just isn't as fun to watch as. Ad to that what waldner has done to upset chinese dominance in the 80s and 90s. He's inspired countless younger players to be innovative. Id rather watch Waldner play than Ma any day. So J.O is the 🐐 to me. Just Like Michael Jordan will be the goat to me even if Labron shatters every record he's ever set.
Those who think that Ma Long is the greatest are accountants, not artists.
Those who think waldner is the best are delusional
@@calmtree6521 it’s not your fault, you just can’t understand.
@@gr637 ma long is goat 😊
@@gr637You are in denial
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