As a German, I kinda disagree a bit with that translation of Hetzer. I know "baiting" comes up when you check for "Hetze", but I suggest you look up "hetzen", which would be the verb of it and you get things like: chivvy or hunt. To bait something is to lure as I understand it as a non-native speaker of English. But that's not what I think of, when I hear "hetzen" in German. I think of hunting something until it's out of stamina and basically submits to death.
I saw a Hetzer being driven around quite enthusiastically at the "A Military Odyssey" show at Detling several years ago. I certainly wouldn't describe it as slow - seemed quite fast and nimble to me in fact, so I can understand why its crews loved it, especially if its armour was as effectively thick as you said, and it's small size makes it easily concealable, so overall surviveable and deadly to the enemy.
But in other aspects, they would have hated it. I had the pleasure of riding in one a couple years ago. It’s pretty tight in there, and from my understanding there was no escape hatch in the belly. This means that if your driver was using that speed and nimbleness, and missed seeing something that could turn the tank on its roof ( also highly likely with the vision. No drivers hatch where you can get your whole head out to see whats going on) then you’re pretty much trapped in there.
"Hetzer" - Only read if you are interested. I intend to inform, not to correct: I am not at all familiar with english hunting vocabulary but for me baiting is rather passive than aggressive. One would provide a lure or a provocation to trigger bevhaiour in the hunted animal (e.g. predator leaving its hideaway to go after a bait animal or the example you described). I understand that "Hetzer" can be translated as agitator (more in the socio-political sense) or even baiter which kind of fits your description. Somebody or something displaying aggressive behaviour to provoke a reaction in the prey, which is also what political agitators do. But "Hetzer" originates from "Hetzjagd" which might have various fitting translations to englisch (hunt, chevy, hounding, routing or battue). As you can see these forms of hunting are way more active than baiting would be. You pose one or multiple sufficient threats to the prey, so either it has to flee until it collapses due to exhaustion or you try to route it to a specific area (hounds routing prey animals to their hunting party). And this after all is a way better description of what the Hetzer did and the reason their crews liked them so much. To infantry and many tanks it was big enough a threat to force them to flee or to keep pushing them ahead of your tank division.
Wow, that pic of Lemmy really reminds me of seeing the HA cruising 'round town in the mid-late '70's with their ape hangers, with all the Maltese Crosses as brake lights.
I was half expecting Jingles to think that this was the most amount of kills he ever saw on a Hetzer, forgetting that he posted a video a few years ago of a Hetzer getting 15 kills.
@mightyjingles sorry jingles, i dont know where you got that translation from, but it means the exact opposite of to bait somebody. to "hetz" somebody means to make somebody to run from you. "chaser" would be a good translation for "Hetzer". but still, nice video!
02:15 Nothing worse than teammates who don't grasp the tactical advantage of letting the enemy push corners/ridgelines thereby allowing supporting TDs in depth to track (snipe) them (giving you, the spotter, spotting damage) while you can advance under covering fire to finish them off. Keep pushing the corners/ridgelines yourself with no support from behind you (keeping the enemy concealed by the corner obstacle or dead ground on the far side of a ridge) and all you're doing is allowing yourself to be sniped at by their TDs and camping MTs/HTs and ensuring your removal from the battle prematurely.
Baiter is technically a Proper Translation but really Not, a Hatz, the noun is today (and i believe Back in 1944) understood as a Chase/hunt but "evil"/aggressive... Its a very hard word to translate
There is the German word of "Hetzjagd" which translates to the English "hounding" where you use dogs to "hetzen" or "chase" deer or foxes to tire them and funnel them to a shooting zone where the hunters awaite them.
Funny Episode but as a German, i must say that the Word "Baiter" seems a bit strange. "Rusher" would be a fitting but lose term to describe the vehicle imo
Nun baiter ist aber der korrekte Begriff. ich war auch zuerst am überlegen, da 'to bait' ja jemanden ködern ist... aber so sind die Engländer mit ihrer Sprache - nichts macht großen sinn *g
@@Xingmey yep stimmt, hab auch schon nachgeschaut.... Klingt dennoch irgendwie nicht korrekt. "Rusher" oder "Charger", obwohl auch nicht ganz passend, klingen besser imo xD
When Jingles was talking about the meaning of the word "Hetzer" I kept hearing him saying, "Beta" rather than "Baiter." Seems the English, like their New England cousins, have a problem pronouncing the "r's" at the ends of words. This observation is of no interest to anyone, but it is early and I refused to go for the "master" joke as it was low hanging fruit. Speaking of low hanging fruit, I once saw an old man in a steam room...
The funny thing IMHO is that this "pronunciation error" made it's way into the English loan words in Japanese. They don't end with an r (or rath ru) but with a long a,.Like customer = カスタマー/kasutamaa.
@@georgedyson9754 Seems like it's a bit contentious even there but at least Wikipedia says UK: /ˈbiːtə/, US: /ˈbeɪtə/. Personally I prefer the latter pronounciation as AFAIK it is closer to the original. But why did you address this to me?
Jingles, Hetzer was based on 38(t), even build on the same line in BMM/ČKD near Prague but it is not done as a conversion from existing 38(t)s - those that Wermacht did not lose were given to german allies or were used for rear security in occupied territory, some might have been modified to flak panzers or were straight down stripped for parts (I think the engine and gearbox were the same or used many of the same parts in all 38t variants). Even the Marders (I think) were build from scratch because it was easier then to mess with existing hulls. Also the issue with the armor was more down to general construction method than to quality of the steel, where Germans used welding the pieces together, both ČKD and Škoda used riveting the armor plates to a skeleton construction (well at least for their original designs before Geman ocupation).
@@ainumahtar I once got told the reason why my car was taking so long to repair was due to the mechanic having covid... the same mechanic i saw at a bar the day before i called the shop.
@@ainumahtar nothing wrong with the reference.. I meant that I disapprove of companies using excuses as whatever the latest big buzz word problem it is.
I was at an air and military show and they had a M4 Sherman tank right next to a Hetzer TD. I noticed that the Hetzer was noticeably smaller in height, had thicker armor sloped at a better angle, and had a much more powerful shell than the M4. I can see how they were very dangerous.
I think WWII German Armor SME/researcher/author Hilary Doyle said something along the lines of that the term "Hetzer" wasn't used in the Wehrmacht to refer to just the refitted Pzkw. 38(t), but was used to refer to any vehicle that performed the role of "hetz-ing" well. I wanna say that that was either on one of the "Inside the Chieftains Hatch" videos or during the 2012 Operation Think Tank seminar. But this was just the most common well performing "hetzer" out of the group that it's believed that that's why the name ended up sticking. I could be misremembering the finer details, but I'm pretty sure Hilary Doyle said something along those lines of hetzer was a shared term rather than a specific name originally.
I still remember my time in WOT beta with the Hetzer. It had even better armour back then. And almost all guns shooting at it had worse penetration than they have now. The Hetzer was legendary.
1:12 For future rerence. You can just take the drives out and plug them into another PC to access the data. That works expecially easy if its just a data drive that doesnt have an OS on it.
@DISPATCH MTB AND RC Luchs comes close but the general mediocrity of light tanks in WoT (at least at the time I played) meant it was best late game, I prefered the Hetzer just for the “get stuck in” factor
In Danish the word "Hetz", which is still in use today, means to constantly bother or annoy someone and keeping them under constant pressure. I wouldn't be surprised if that relates to the German word Hetzer where it probably means something like "Harasser".
Thank you for your most METAL of replays to this day! Lemmy, was an inspiration to me and my friends. a totally unique look, sound and he played lead bass guitar and seemed 12ft tall on stage! the man was also a gentleman. Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters was good friends with Lemmy, and told the story, at Lemmys funeral, about their first meeting in the bar where Lemmy played video games all the time. Dave approached Lemmy and said he didnt want to bother him, but that he was a big fan, and he had been the drummer in Nirvana. Lemmy soberly stood and turned toward Dave and shook his hand and told him he was sorry about his friend. that began a special friendship. when Dave and Lemmy were both at the same venue one night, Dave invited him down to his dressing room. Once there, Lemmy, noticing a baby present, put his trademark cigar out in his glass of Jack Daniels and Coke, and turned into a gentle and playful guy with Daves Daughter. if i remember, Dave asked Lemmy to be her godfather, i might not have that right. I know that Lemmy lived his life off of pizza, amphetamines, and downers to level out, and he played both extremes well beyond what would kill most of us mortals. but Lemmy was at least 1/4 god. He could out drink anyone, slept with thousands of women, he really had no preference, so he probably really ran up the numbers, and he had a modest start in music. he was a stage hand and roadie for a number of bands, and he said you could tell who the best loved bands were because they treated the help like real humans not something they tolerated to put on a show. he had a passionate hatred for the band Deep Purple for how they treated people. he said that Ozzy was with Black Sabath at the time but Ozzy sort of treated everyone the same, not so much like insects as he was a general asshole to everyone even of they were over his head. the man had to have an iron will, all those years of drug use didnt kill him, didnt even cause him problems. just weeks after his last tour, and days after his 70th year on his planet, he passed away to sneaky cancer in the bum. he had to be in pain all through the last tour, but he did it, and gave the fans everything he had! he used to give kids ride on his restored Hetzer, which according to my uncle is middle german for "Hunter". now, i know lots of people by way of youtube, and i do not get the ribbing or outright dislike for the Welsh, whats that story? do you realize that Wales is home to several rock and metal legends? it does itself proud. i am in the process of restomodding a 1968 ford Galaxie 500 2 door sedan. its got a big block, that MUCH bigger than it needs to be, and its going to get murdered out (it will get a satin black finish with black window tint, in the illegal range, and on the hood, theres a modest "scoop" that will show a faded image of Lemmys hat, and the trunk will have, in the font used on the last album cover, "Lemmy" with the fade effect. the engine will easily be able to hurl the car to speed with an 800hp or more, havent decided, and i wish i could work faster, but this virus going round, and the cost of the work, even what i do myself, costs time and money. i never got to see him perform in person, and i wish i had. interesting people are in short supply these days. i dont care about "reality" tv, or staged house purchases, or adverts for drugs to ask my doctor about. i want to hear great metal music, listen to great rock and metal, watch the few good tv shows or movies there are and keep trying to watch my rights and cut efforts to end those rights off at the knees. this time next year, if its not busy working on projects, i shall be hunting coyote and feral hogs, and mitigating the damage they do. I actually made my first 5 feral hog kills with a H&H made SMLE, as I am very comfortable with it out to 400m. thanks for reading all of this, it was longer than i intended. sorry lol
I come here for the history lessons: a note on the kind of dogs you would use for badger and indeed bear "baiting" - low profile with heavy jaws and thus a powerful bite. As has been pointed out elsewhere in the comments, this obsolete english use of the word "bait", does not mean "lure, tempt" but rather "slowly wear down a powerful quarry with multiple sustained attacks" A tough, mean little dog with a nasty bite indeed!
Me being one of them people who do not have english as my first language, i would like to state something: hetzen means not bait but chase... So a hetzjagd would be a hund where you might set your hounds to a deer or an equivalent game.... What you referre to with the badger would be called "baujagt" so as i understand it the "hetzer" would refere to someone (or something) that chases someone (or something)... In Austria we still use the term "hetz" (meaning the chase) in phrases like "des woa a hetz" (that was a chase) as something funny or enjoyable, refering to the "fun" it is to set your hounds to some game and than chase it untill the hounds tear it to pieces....
Jingles: the hetzer was so popular, the Swiss Army kept them around with the designation panzerjäger G13 until the early 70s... in fact most hetzers at display in museums nowadays are G13...
Oh Jingles...this time you completely missed the mark with your translation and explanation of "Hetzer" or the verb "hetzen". Sorry, I HAVE to perform an "aaaaaactually Jungles"-action...I am German after all, and we can not stand any inaccuracy ;-) Simply put: Baiting is a, more likely passive, "pull"-action, when you pull your target out of cover with the help of a bait. "Hetzen" or being a "Hetzer" is a very active "push"-action, when you hunt, dash or hound your target and pressure it out of its cover, until it runs out of stamina. Even to the extent, that it has been "totgehetzt" -> rushed to death. The hunt even has a special name: "Hetzjagd" (coursing, chase) with lots of "Hetzhunde" (hound dogs) to hunt deer, wild boar, foxes. And yes, it is gladly evenly forbidden now. Additionally, (actually Jingles^^): Although the tank ways certainly reliable, it almost had no view range, which led to very poor operability in everything else, than defensive actions. Even in the defensive it was highly vulnerable, because it was highly dependent, to not get flanked - and the frontlines at it's time were not nearly as coherent, as the years before. The crews referred to it as a "mobile coffin", because there was almost no way to escape the tank in an emergency situation (like being hit...^^). Combine that with the piss-poor visibility from the inside, the moral of the (often very green and young) crews, was (mildly put) a bit on the "uneasy" side. I'd be veeeery interested, where you've got the positive crew-reports from. I'll lead myself back into the deepest depths of the salt mine. Finally some proper wörk for a proper overlord.
I play World of Warships but I've never even downloaded WoT. I come for Jingles' commentary and to watch the game play. I work with a guy who is a retired Army master sergeant and 25-year armor veteran. He said WoT was nothing like real life, of course, but it's hella fun to play. He plays a lot.
Interesting. I always thought that the official designation was Jagdpanzer 38 (t). And that Panzerjäger 38 (t), that was made by converting LT-38 hulls, was that weird open-top contraption sometimes called Sd. Kfz 139 or Mader III. And that Hetzers, although using former LT-38's tooling and production capacities, was a vehicle made enitrely from scratch. But hey, Jingles said it and it's not common for Jingles to be wrong, is it. :-)
actually Jingles in a video from The_Chieftain he interviewed the curator of the German War Museum (can't recall how its called, could do a quick search but I'm too lazy for that) and he said there have evidence/documents that imply "Hetzer" was used for all of those late war cheap tank destroyer designs the theory is that the diference in doctrine from the older Stugs and Jagdpanzers IV was too significative and a new designation was needed for this new class of vehicles
Oh jingles, the hetzer is not build upon a pz38t, is not like take the turret and Upper Hull and just put the casemate on top, that only happens in GuP lol. The hetzer Hull was inspired, based on the 38t, but is an entirely new Hull, the germans had to build the new hulls, couldnt just used the old 38t hulls lying around
Here is a tip jingles, have a backup PC or laptop to use your hard drives. You can buy these racks to access HDDs on a laptop, or just chuck the hard drives in the backup PC to access them. The backup doesnt need to be good, just working with win7 64bit and maybe a low end gpu, like a 550x
Wouldn't it be neat if WG offered a replay mode where you could see all the players on both teams in the mini map? You could then watch the replay and see where that last tank hid.
In Carius' book, Tigers in the Mud, he says he was the loader in a 38t, not the driver. His 38t was hit by a russian shell and, due to how brittle czech steel was, a there was a lot of spalling inside the tank, and their driver lost his arm because of it. Carius took some spall in the face, but only lost a few teeth.
I lament that WOT:Blitz removed the derp guns from the lower tiers a couple years ago. I loved my Hetz derp and had the girls & panzers Hetzer when l wanted to play with the high velocity gun. I really miss this lower tier derp guns. :-( But l do have a KV2 and SU152 now }:-), but it's just not the same.
To my "American ears" it sounded like you were actually pronouncing it correctly (heh) as beta and not baiter (how is er pronounced as a?). Interesting review of the Hetzer Jingles. I wasn't sure if the reverence for the vehicle was still around with all the new tanks and rebalancing over the years. When the game first came out and there were no tier 9's and 10's, the scariest vehicle was the Ferdinand and the Hetzer it's Tier 4 equivalent. The Ferdi is all but forgotten now, but I still play it once in a while. Anyway, cheers to another good video Jingles.
The Panzer 38 (Hetzer) was a stand alone model from the turreted Panzer 38 (t). The 38(t) was never converted to a Hetzer. They simply stopped making them to concentrate on building the Panzer 38's. Don't take my word on this, for the straight skinny go watch the Chieftains Hatch walk around on both vehicles.
The word hetzer has several possible translations. Baiter is just one of them. I've also seen it translated as chaser and bushwhacker. Sorry to disappoint Girls und Panzer fans, but the Jagdpanzer 38t was not built on a Pzkw 38t hull and that scene where they pull the top half off a 38t and drop a Jagdpanzer casement on it would have been impossible. The Germans took the 38t hull and made it longer and wider. Then they modified the suspension to handle the additional weight of more armor and a big gun and installed larger road wheels. After that, they put in a more powerful engine and a stronger gearbox. By the time they finished, the hull had gone through too many changes to be a Pzkw 38t anymore, although the driver's controls would probably have been recognizable to someone who'd served in one.
Hetzer does not mean baiter. But you are right, it is a hunting term. It refers to making your target/prey run as fast as you possibly can make it. The idea is not to catch it but to tire it out.
For easy data transfer and recovery from any type of SATA drive you should get an external docking, there are universal table-top ones that take both 3.5" (desktop HDD) and 2.5" (SSD / laptop HDD) formats, with hot swap capability and USB3 connection, they cost only 30-50 euros and need no drivers on Windows machines. Besides solving future data loss from PC malfunctioning situations, such a device also allows you to use cheaper 3.5" hard drives for offline storage.
I had a similar experience getting my laptop screen repaired. Sent it in. Waited six or seven weeks. Called. Then suddenly it assigned to a tech, and then on its way home.
Hethersett doesn't use the 38t hull, its a bit wider, it just uses the drive train. Imagine having such a cramped vehicle and still being liked. Speaks volumes fornit
I never thought about it before but "hetzer" sounds a lot like (in fact nearly exaclty the same as) the swedish word "hetsa" which can be roughly translated into english as 'hunt/irritate/bait'! Source: Am swedish
Mr Mighty, I think your information may be out of date. The Jagdpanzer 38(t) wasn't in production in Nazi Germany until 1944, it was actually quite late to the party. Otto Carius began his service as a driver of a regular panzer 38(t), not the titular Hetzer.
Jingles! Didn't you know? The verb 'to Hetz' is to be a small, sneaky, relatively well armoured tank destroyer. Thus a 'Hetzer' is a thing that does small, sneaky, relatively well armoured tank destroyer things.
Well, yeah Jingles, Hetzer is not quite baiter, it is more like 'fast stirring hunter' also not the word, its like fanatic fast attacking, snapping hunter.
Ah, the Hetzer... Holder of my 2nd highest ever kill count - 8 kills. And the only reason it wasn't significantly higher is that my team had another Hetzer on the other flank, who killed the remaining 7 tanks more or less at the same time as me! As for my highest kill count, that would be the time, just barely after launch, when the game glitched out hard and put my howitzer-armed Panzer III into an otherwise completely Tier 1 battle. Racked up 21 kills, that match...
The Swedish word Hetsa, of course from Ger. has the meaning 'to rile up' or 'to anger'. Hetsa inte upp dig, will therefore mean 'Don't get riled up'. Hetsa hundarna, meaning to rile up the hounds. Upphetsad, is literally "aggravated or sexually aroused.
Jingles the Panzer 38t was a JagdPanzer, not a Panzer Jager. A hunting tank not a tank hunter. The first category is armored Tank Destroyers, while the latter were light vehicles like the Marter. Also, panzer38t not being a modified Panzer38t.exe seen the comments on that one already.
actually Hetzer was quite unpopular because it was cramped, uncomfortable, got wet inside during rain and when you got hit its very hard to bail out. plus sides being low profile,frontal armor very bouncy and same firepower as a Stug.
As a German, I kinda disagree a bit with that translation of Hetzer. I know "baiting" comes up when you check for "Hetze", but I suggest you look up "hetzen", which would be the verb of it and you get things like: chivvy or hunt. To bait something is to lure as I understand it as a non-native speaker of English. But that's not what I think of, when I hear "hetzen" in German. I think of hunting something until it's out of stamina and basically submits to death.
As another german speaking lad I do agree
I always thought "Chaser" would be the best translation for the Hetzer's name
Would "harrier" be a better translation?
German is a funny language. 😁
@@Wolfeson28 Only to a degree. "Hetzen" has for a good part the mening of "chase to death".
Hetzer's gonna Hetz, nuff said
And if you have enough of hetzing things around, you can upgrade to sThug Life!
@@Dzharek No. You can not.
One can not choose the StuG lyfe. Instead, the StuG Lyfe chooses you.
@@Dzharek @StumpyDaPaladin
he said "nuff said"
Didn't expect to find our lord Lemmy referenced here, but that's fine.
Lemmy is God
Safe to say we all miss him
God speed the Killmeister
I saw a Hetzer being driven around quite enthusiastically at the "A Military Odyssey" show at Detling several years ago. I certainly wouldn't describe it as slow - seemed quite fast and nimble to me in fact, so I can understand why its crews loved it, especially if its armour was as effectively thick as you said, and it's small size makes it easily concealable, so overall surviveable and deadly to the enemy.
But in other aspects, they would have hated it. I had the pleasure of riding in one a couple years ago. It’s pretty tight in there, and from my understanding there was no escape hatch in the belly. This means that if your driver was using that speed and nimbleness, and missed seeing something that could turn the tank on its roof ( also highly likely with the vision. No drivers hatch where you can get your whole head out to see whats going on) then you’re pretty much trapped in there.
Breakfast and Jingles.. perfect start of the day! Love the videos! Always make me laugh
Imagine having breakfast at 2 am
Morning coffee and jingles here welcome to UK time lol
@@CarlosRios1 some people work very early
@@CarlosRios1 weirdo
"Hetzer" - Only read if you are interested. I intend to inform, not to correct:
I am not at all familiar with english hunting vocabulary but for me baiting is rather passive than aggressive. One would provide a lure or a provocation to trigger bevhaiour in the hunted animal (e.g. predator leaving its hideaway to go after a bait animal or the example you described). I understand that "Hetzer" can be translated as agitator (more in the socio-political sense) or even baiter which kind of fits your description. Somebody or something displaying aggressive behaviour to provoke a reaction in the prey, which is also what political agitators do. But "Hetzer" originates from "Hetzjagd" which might have various fitting translations to englisch (hunt, chevy, hounding, routing or battue). As you can see these forms of hunting are way more active than baiting would be. You pose one or multiple sufficient threats to the prey, so either it has to flee until it collapses due to exhaustion or you try to route it to a specific area (hounds routing prey animals to their hunting party). And this after all is a way better description of what the Hetzer did and the reason their crews liked them so much. To infantry and many tanks it was big enough a threat to force them to flee or to keep pushing them ahead of your tank division.
We got a similar word in Swedish - "Hetsa", which means to aggrivate.
That´s another way you can use the overb "hetzen" in german, too. To agitate....
Wow, that pic of Lemmy really reminds me of seeing the HA cruising 'round town in the mid-late '70's with their ape hangers, with all the Maltese Crosses as brake lights.
Its nice to hear that you're taking about a tanks history again, it was always awesome learning a bit of history whilst enjoying your videos.
I was half expecting Jingles to think that this was the most amount of kills he ever saw on a Hetzer, forgetting that he posted a video a few years ago of a Hetzer getting 15 kills.
Nice gargantuan leviathan you got there buddy
@@stefanocrosazzo3262 Thanks
Beita in Icelandic means bait. You are using something (meat or fish meat on a hook) to catch a pray with.
@mightyjingles sorry jingles, i dont know where you got that translation from, but it means the exact opposite of to bait somebody. to "hetz" somebody means to make somebody to run from you. "chaser" would be a good translation for "Hetzer". but still, nice video!
02:15 Nothing worse than teammates who don't grasp the tactical advantage of letting the enemy push corners/ridgelines thereby allowing supporting TDs in depth to track (snipe) them (giving you, the spotter, spotting damage) while you can advance under covering fire to finish them off.
Keep pushing the corners/ridgelines yourself with no support from behind you (keeping the enemy concealed by the corner obstacle or dead ground on the far side of a ridge) and all you're doing is allowing yourself to be sniped at by their TDs and camping MTs/HTs and ensuring your removal from the battle prematurely.
Baiter is technically a Proper Translation but really Not, a Hatz, the noun is today (and i believe Back in 1944) understood as a Chase/hunt but "evil"/aggressive...
Its a very hard word to translate
Was going to say the same... in swedish the word is "hetsare" and more translated to agitator
@@tsor10 what Jingles said was technically right, wrong in Spirit
There is the German word of "Hetzjagd" which translates to the English "hounding" where you use dogs to "hetzen" or "chase" deer or foxes to tire them and funnel them to a shooting zone where the hunters awaite them.
@@zahacka13 yeah, the Word has evolved quite a bit
Something like "harrier"?
Funny Episode but as a German, i must say that the Word "Baiter"
seems a bit strange.
"Rusher" would be a fitting but lose term to describe the vehicle imo
Nun baiter ist aber der korrekte Begriff.
ich war auch zuerst am überlegen, da 'to bait' ja jemanden ködern ist... aber so sind die Engländer mit ihrer Sprache - nichts macht großen sinn *g
@@Xingmey yep stimmt, hab auch schon nachgeschaut.... Klingt dennoch irgendwie nicht korrekt.
"Rusher" oder "Charger", obwohl auch nicht ganz passend, klingen besser imo xD
one of my German friends has always said it translates to something along the lines of harasser
@@stoirmslw7195 yep that makes also kinda sense
If Hetzer means "baiter", then the last thing you want to admit to being is a frequent master-Hetzer player! You'll get hairy palms!
0:45 It's still fascinating to see how quickly companies can respond to customer service, when it comes to potential media attention.
Seeing one of these parked next to Canadian armor at CFB Borden is pretty Cool. Love this machine
Killer jingles , love and respect to you
When Jingles was talking about the meaning of the word "Hetzer" I kept hearing him saying, "Beta" rather than "Baiter." Seems the English, like their New England cousins, have a problem pronouncing the "r's" at the ends of words. This observation is of no interest to anyone, but it is early and I refused to go for the "master" joke as it was low hanging fruit. Speaking of low hanging fruit, I once saw an old man in a steam room...
The funny thing IMHO is that this "pronunciation error" made it's way into the English loan words in Japanese. They don't end with an r (or rath ru) but with a long a,.Like customer = カスタマー/kasutamaa.
@@kaltaron1284 In the UK Beta is pronounce BEEta is it not?
@@georgedyson9754 Seems like it's a bit contentious even there but at least Wikipedia says UK: /ˈbiːtə/, US: /ˈbeɪtə/. Personally I prefer the latter pronounciation as AFAIK it is closer to the original. But why did you address this to me?
seems like you have hearing problem lol...
@@georgedyson9754 No that's Australia i believe. If it is a UK thing i've certainly never heard it before and i myself pronounce it BAY-TER.
Jingles, Hetzer was based on 38(t), even build on the same line in BMM/ČKD near Prague but it is not done as a conversion from existing 38(t)s - those that Wermacht did not lose were given to german allies or were used for rear security in occupied territory, some might have been modified to flak panzers or were straight down stripped for parts (I think the engine and gearbox were the same or used many of the same parts in all 38t variants). Even the Marders (I think) were build from scratch because it was easier then to mess with existing hulls.
Also the issue with the armor was more down to general construction method than to quality of the steel, where Germans used welding the pieces together, both ČKD and Škoda used riveting the armor plates to a skeleton construction (well at least for their original designs before Geman ocupation).
Two months??? I would have been asking for my money back after the first month, if not earlier. That's insane.
Every company nowadays just goes "but Covid" and it will probably hold up in court, so good luck with that, I guess.
@@ainumahtar I once got told the reason why my car was taking so long to repair was due to the mechanic having covid... the same mechanic i saw at a bar the day before i called the shop.
@@ainumahtar lol covid.. at least they cant use "but Ukraine" as excuse this time.
@@megapet777 You replied a to a post I made 3 years ago buddy...not my fault if the reference is dated.
@@ainumahtar nothing wrong with the reference.. I meant that I disapprove of companies using excuses as whatever the latest big buzz word problem it is.
Man. It has been a while since I last watched a video from you. Good show! Gonna pick up WoT now
"There's the SU-5, he's not afk, and he is not out of ammo..but he is dead!"
Hetzer gonna hetz!
SU-5 is out of range because he's base camping
that friendly cliff dive was successful it all depends on how you view their dive XD Jingles
I was at an air and military show and they had a M4 Sherman tank right next to a Hetzer TD.
I noticed that the Hetzer was noticeably smaller in height, had thicker armor sloped at a better angle, and had a much more powerful shell than the M4. I can see how they were very dangerous.
Jingles, that was a great game for Salty Old Viking. Outstanding!!
Wonderful commentary to this video and thanks for the Lemmy picture att the end!
My ancient Avalon Hill tabletop game Panzerblitz defined 'Hetzer' as 'bushwacker,' which actually matches up well with Jingles' use of 'baiter.'
If that was me, I would've died by the arty at the end
I think WWII German Armor SME/researcher/author Hilary Doyle said something along the lines of that the term "Hetzer" wasn't used in the Wehrmacht to refer to just the refitted Pzkw. 38(t), but was used to refer to any vehicle that performed the role of "hetz-ing" well. I wanna say that that was either on one of the "Inside the Chieftains Hatch" videos or during the 2012 Operation Think Tank seminar. But this was just the most common well performing "hetzer" out of the group that it's believed that that's why the name ended up sticking. I could be misremembering the finer details, but I'm pretty sure Hilary Doyle said something along those lines of hetzer was a shared term rather than a specific name originally.
I still remember my time in WOT beta with the Hetzer. It had even better armour back then. And almost all guns shooting at it had worse penetration than they have now.
The Hetzer was legendary.
1:12 For future rerence. You can just take the drives out and plug them into another PC to access the data. That works expecially easy if its just a data drive that doesnt have an OS on it.
My favourite seal clubber, nothing else on the tech tree comes close
T18?
@DISPATCH MTB AND RC Luchs comes close but the general mediocrity of light tanks in WoT (at least at the time I played) meant it was best late game, I prefered the Hetzer just for the “get stuck in” factor
@DISPATCH MTB AND RC yeah luchs!!! I always platoon with my brother in the luchs. Just way too deadly when there are 2 of those in battle
KV-220-T?
Old style T18 would disagree and Derp Sherman would also like a word. Would argue for KV-2 and SU-152 but can only take seal clubbing so far 😉
I'd like to give an extra few likes for adding Lemmy.
Wish I was good at this game. All the skilled people in your videos make it look like a lot of fun
In Danish the word "Hetz", which is still in use today, means to constantly bother or annoy someone and keeping them under constant pressure.
I wouldn't be surprised if that relates to the German word Hetzer where it probably means something like "Harasser".
Stellar commentary as always Jingles = )
I love your videos man. Keep doing what you do!!
Thank you for your most METAL of replays to this day! Lemmy, was an inspiration to me and my friends. a totally unique look, sound and he played lead bass guitar and seemed 12ft tall on stage! the man was also a gentleman. Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters was good friends with Lemmy, and told the story, at Lemmys funeral, about their first meeting in the bar where Lemmy played video games all the time. Dave approached Lemmy and said he didnt want to bother him, but that he was a big fan, and he had been the drummer in Nirvana. Lemmy soberly stood and turned toward Dave and shook his hand and told him he was sorry about his friend. that began a special friendship. when Dave and Lemmy were both at the same venue one night, Dave invited him down to his dressing room. Once there, Lemmy, noticing a baby present, put his trademark cigar out in his glass of Jack Daniels and Coke, and turned into a gentle and playful guy with Daves Daughter. if i remember, Dave asked Lemmy to be her godfather, i might not have that right. I know that Lemmy lived his life off of pizza, amphetamines, and downers to level out, and he played both extremes well beyond what would kill most of us mortals. but Lemmy was at least 1/4 god. He could out drink anyone, slept with thousands of women, he really had no preference, so he probably really ran up the numbers, and he had a modest start in music. he was a stage hand and roadie for a number of bands, and he said you could tell who the best loved bands were because they treated the help like real humans not something they tolerated to put on a show. he had a passionate hatred for the band Deep Purple for how they treated people. he said that Ozzy was with Black Sabath at the time but Ozzy sort of treated everyone the same, not so much like insects as he was a general asshole to everyone even of they were over his head. the man had to have an iron will, all those years of drug use didnt kill him, didnt even cause him problems. just weeks after his last tour, and days after his 70th year on his planet, he passed away to sneaky cancer in the bum. he had to be in pain all through the last tour, but he did it, and gave the fans everything he had! he used to give kids ride on his restored Hetzer, which according to my uncle is middle german for "Hunter". now, i know lots of people by way of youtube, and i do not get the ribbing or outright dislike for the Welsh, whats that story? do you realize that Wales is home to several rock and metal legends? it does itself proud. i am in the process of restomodding a 1968 ford Galaxie 500 2 door sedan. its got a big block, that MUCH bigger than it needs to be, and its going to get murdered out (it will get a satin black finish with black window tint, in the illegal range, and on the hood, theres a modest "scoop" that will show a faded image of Lemmys hat, and the trunk will have, in the font used on the last album cover, "Lemmy" with the fade effect. the engine will easily be able to hurl the car to speed with an 800hp or more, havent decided, and i wish i could work faster, but this virus going round, and the cost of the work, even what i do myself, costs time and money. i never got to see him perform in person, and i wish i had. interesting people are in short supply these days. i dont care about "reality" tv, or staged house purchases, or adverts for drugs to ask my doctor about. i want to hear great metal music, listen to great rock and metal, watch the few good tv shows or movies there are and keep trying to watch my rights and cut efforts to end those rights off at the knees. this time next year, if its not busy working on projects, i shall be hunting coyote and feral hogs, and mitigating the damage they do. I actually made my first 5 feral hog kills with a H&H made SMLE, as I am very comfortable with it out to 400m. thanks for reading all of this, it was longer than i intended. sorry lol
Its 2am jingles please no I was just about to sleep... Well see you in 15 minutes I guess
Axaaaa
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Jingles time
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so how was that sleep 3 months ago
The prototype was Romanian Marshal M-05
and 7 pieces were produced from November 1943 to January 1944
0:58 The tank next to Jingles: *A M. S P E E D*
Another bit of historical info about the Hetzer: its thin but heavily sloped armor design was inspired by the Romanian Mareșal tank destroyer.
I come here for the history lessons:
a note on the kind of dogs you would use for badger and indeed bear "baiting" - low profile with heavy jaws and thus a powerful bite. As has been pointed out elsewhere in the comments, this obsolete english use of the word "bait", does not mean "lure, tempt" but rather "slowly wear down a powerful quarry with multiple sustained attacks"
A tough, mean little dog with a nasty bite indeed!
Wow. Very nicely done.
Thanks Jingles for making my day better
Me being one of them people who do not have english as my first language, i would like to state something: hetzen means not bait but chase... So a hetzjagd would be a hund where you might set your hounds to a deer or an equivalent game.... What you referre to with the badger would be called "baujagt" so as i understand it the "hetzer" would refere to someone (or something) that chases someone (or something)...
In Austria we still use the term "hetz" (meaning the chase) in phrases like "des woa a hetz" (that was a chase) as something funny or enjoyable, refering to the "fun" it is to set your hounds to some game and than chase it untill the hounds tear it to pieces....
Jingles: the hetzer was so popular, the Swiss Army kept them around with the designation panzerjäger G13 until the early 70s... in fact most hetzers at display in museums nowadays are G13...
This is also the reason why its so easy for collectors to get their hands on them now adays.
Morning jingles, thanks for the morning entertainment as per usual, needed my alke-HETZER this nothing
Oh Jingles...this time you completely missed the mark with your translation and explanation of "Hetzer" or the verb "hetzen".
Sorry, I HAVE to perform an "aaaaaactually Jungles"-action...I am German after all, and we can not stand any inaccuracy ;-)
Simply put:
Baiting is a, more likely passive, "pull"-action, when you pull your target out of cover with the help of a bait.
"Hetzen" or being a "Hetzer" is a very active "push"-action, when you hunt, dash or hound your target and pressure it out of its cover, until it runs out of stamina.
Even to the extent, that it has been "totgehetzt" -> rushed to death.
The hunt even has a special name: "Hetzjagd" (coursing, chase) with lots of "Hetzhunde" (hound dogs) to hunt deer, wild boar, foxes.
And yes, it is gladly evenly forbidden now.
Additionally, (actually Jingles^^):
Although the tank ways certainly reliable, it almost had no view range, which led to very poor operability in everything else, than defensive actions.
Even in the defensive it was highly vulnerable, because it was highly dependent, to not get flanked - and the frontlines at it's time were not nearly as coherent, as the years before.
The crews referred to it as a "mobile coffin", because there was almost no way to escape the tank in an emergency situation (like being hit...^^).
Combine that with the piss-poor visibility from the inside, the moral of the (often very green and young) crews, was (mildly put) a bit on the "uneasy" side.
I'd be veeeery interested, where you've got the positive crew-reports from.
I'll lead myself back into the deepest depths of the salt mine.
Finally some proper wörk for a proper overlord.
I play World of Warships but I've never even downloaded WoT. I come for Jingles' commentary and to watch the game play.
I work with a guy who is a retired Army master sergeant and 25-year armor veteran. He said WoT was nothing like real life, of course, but it's hella fun to play. He plays a lot.
Watching this reminds me of the days when Jingles was known as Bohemian Eagle :3
Rip lemmy, nice vid jingles.
Interesting. I always thought that the official designation was Jagdpanzer 38 (t). And that Panzerjäger 38 (t), that was made by converting LT-38 hulls, was that weird open-top contraption sometimes called Sd. Kfz 139 or Mader III. And that Hetzers, although using former LT-38's tooling and production capacities, was a vehicle made enitrely from scratch. But hey, Jingles said it and it's not common for Jingles to be wrong, is it. :-)
actually Jingles in a video from The_Chieftain he interviewed the curator of the German War Museum (can't recall how its called, could do a quick search but I'm too lazy for that) and he said there have evidence/documents that imply "Hetzer" was used for all of those late war cheap tank destroyer designs
the theory is that the diference in doctrine from the older Stugs and Jagdpanzers IV was too significative and a new designation was needed for this new class of vehicles
Oh jingles, the hetzer is not build upon a pz38t, is not like take the turret and Upper Hull and just put the casemate on top, that only happens in GuP lol. The hetzer Hull was inspired, based on the 38t, but is an entirely new Hull, the germans had to build the new hulls, couldnt just used the old 38t hulls lying around
Here is a tip jingles, have a backup PC or laptop to use your hard drives. You can buy these racks to access HDDs on a laptop, or just chuck the hard drives in the backup PC to access them. The backup doesnt need to be good, just working with win7 64bit and maybe a low end gpu, like a 550x
Wouldn't it be neat if WG offered a replay mode where you could see all the players on both teams in the mini map? You could then watch the replay and see where that last tank hid.
In Carius' book, Tigers in the Mud, he says he was the loader in a 38t, not the driver. His 38t was hit by a russian shell and, due to how brittle czech steel was, a there was a lot of spalling inside the tank, and their driver lost his arm because of it. Carius took some spall in the face, but only lost a few teeth.
I lament that WOT:Blitz removed the derp guns from the lower tiers a couple years ago. I loved my Hetz derp and had the girls & panzers Hetzer when l wanted to play with the high velocity gun. I really miss this lower tier derp guns. :-(
But l do have a KV2 and SU152 now }:-), but it's just not the same.
I loved playing the howitzer Hetzer all the way back in 2011 when I first started playing. Glad to see it's still viable 10 years later!
To my "American ears" it sounded like you were actually pronouncing it correctly (heh) as beta and not baiter (how is er pronounced as a?). Interesting review of the Hetzer Jingles. I wasn't sure if the reverence for the vehicle was still around with all the new tanks and rebalancing over the years. When the game first came out and there were no tier 9's and 10's, the scariest vehicle was the Ferdinand and the Hetzer it's Tier 4 equivalent. The Ferdi is all but forgotten now, but I still play it once in a while. Anyway, cheers to another good video Jingles.
The Panzer 38 (Hetzer) was a stand alone model from the turreted Panzer 38 (t). The 38(t) was never converted to a Hetzer. They simply stopped making them to concentrate on building the Panzer 38's. Don't take my word on this, for the straight skinny go watch the Chieftains Hatch walk around on both vehicles.
The word hetzer has several possible translations. Baiter is just one of them. I've also seen it translated as chaser and bushwhacker.
Sorry to disappoint Girls und Panzer fans, but the Jagdpanzer 38t was not built on a Pzkw 38t hull and that scene where they pull the top half off a 38t and drop a Jagdpanzer casement on it would have been impossible. The Germans took the 38t hull and made it longer and wider. Then they modified the suspension to handle the additional weight of more armor and a big gun and installed larger road wheels. After that, they put in a more powerful engine and a stronger gearbox. By the time they finished, the hull had gone through too many changes to be a Pzkw 38t anymore, although the driver's controls would probably have been recognizable to someone who'd served in one.
Hetzer does not mean baiter. But you are right, it is a hunting term. It refers to making your target/prey run as fast as you possibly can make it. The idea is not to catch it but to tire it out.
For easy data transfer and recovery from any type of SATA drive you should get an external docking, there are universal table-top ones that take both 3.5" (desktop HDD) and 2.5" (SSD / laptop HDD) formats, with hot swap capability and USB3 connection, they cost only 30-50 euros and need no drivers on Windows machines. Besides solving future data loss from PC malfunctioning situations, such a device also allows you to use cheaper 3.5" hard drives for offline storage.
I had a similar experience getting my laptop screen repaired. Sent it in. Waited six or seven weeks. Called. Then suddenly it assigned to a tech, and then on its way home.
Hethersett doesn't use the 38t hull, its a bit wider, it just uses the drive train. Imagine having such a cramped vehicle and still being liked. Speaks volumes fornit
I never thought about it before but "hetzer" sounds a lot like (in fact nearly exaclty the same as) the swedish word "hetsa" which can be roughly translated into english as 'hunt/irritate/bait'!
Source: Am swedish
Oh man, if only my 105mm howitzer reticle could have shrinked that fast back in the days....
RIP Lemmy you were one in a million.
As some other said the "Hatz" is a form of hunting where dogs hunt a prey "hetzen" until its exhausted
A bit of a strange name for a slow tank tbh.
The arty found a window he hadn't licked yet and was afk.
Worklunch with a Jingles video ^^ nice :D
Mr Mighty, I think your information may be out of date. The Jagdpanzer 38(t) wasn't in production in Nazi Germany until 1944, it was actually quite late to the party. Otto Carius began his service as a driver of a regular panzer 38(t), not the titular Hetzer.
when I heard Jingles attempt of translating the name into english I just had to pause the video and check out the comments^^
If memory serves me correctly big medals like pools, Radley Walters and Kolobanovs are reserved for tier V and higher anyway.
All right, all right, the obligatory:
Hetzer's gonna hetz.
Jingles! Didn't you know? The verb 'to Hetz' is to be a small, sneaky, relatively well armoured tank destroyer.
Thus a 'Hetzer' is a thing that does small, sneaky, relatively well armoured tank destroyer things.
But thats not the german meaning at all, its the wrong word for the english name
Hetzer does not mean Bater, it means Agitator or Instigator. Very nice game to watch.
The famous Polish way of "Complaining at Your problems, till they go away" seem to work in Your's pc's case ^^
The only Fadin's medal I got was in - Hetzer.
BTW, after HP buff to lower tiers, it is normal to see higher dmg results
good way to start off a birthday and thats wit ha hetz vid XD
Ahha nothing like an big bowl of "Jingles" in the morning.🏹🤠👍
WoT console getting in a 5 man platoon of hetzers: insta win.
Well, yeah Jingles, Hetzer is not quite baiter, it is more like 'fast stirring hunter' also not the word, its like fanatic fast attacking, snapping hunter.
Ah, the Hetzer... Holder of my 2nd highest ever kill count - 8 kills. And the only reason it wasn't significantly higher is that my team had another Hetzer on the other flank, who killed the remaining 7 tanks more or less at the same time as me!
As for my highest kill count, that would be the time, just barely after launch, when the game glitched out hard and put my howitzer-armed Panzer III into an otherwise completely Tier 1 battle. Racked up 21 kills, that match...
Great video and history lesson.
Hey, atleast the T28 had some sense, which made the ending more tense than just stomping noobs
The meaning of Hetzer is more along the lines of agitator, instigator. Or too hunt/chase ;) Dutch/German speaking over here.
Its 2am jingles please no I was just about to sleep... Well see you in 15 minutes I guess 😂😂😂
If Hetzer is tier 4 as Jingles said, does that disqualify it from earning Kolobanovs? Isn't it only for tier 5 and higher or am I wrong?
I was thinking the same, but it has been years since I played tanks. I know some of the medals were only available at tier 5+
Jagdpanzer, Not Panzerjäger 38t
The Swedish word Hetsa, of course from Ger. has the meaning 'to rile up' or 'to anger'. Hetsa inte upp dig, will therefore mean 'Don't get riled up'. Hetsa hundarna, meaning to rile up the hounds.
Upphetsad, is literally "aggravated or sexually aroused.
Jingles the Panzer 38t was a JagdPanzer, not a Panzer Jager. A hunting tank not a tank hunter. The first category is armored Tank Destroyers, while the latter were light vehicles like the Marter.
Also, panzer38t not being a modified Panzer38t.exe seen the comments on that one already.
Congrats on the return of the fixed PC. :)
actually Hetzer was quite unpopular because it was cramped, uncomfortable, got wet inside during rain and when you got hit its very hard to bail out. plus sides being low profile,frontal armor very bouncy and same firepower as a Stug.
Finally! Get to sit down and watch your video while enjoying some Apple Pie
How to get featured on jingles: play a derp tank.
One video a week and they are all derp tanks.