@@oddeology1259 D2 is not optimised to only use the cores of your cpu that it needs. It uses all of them; Path of Diablo mod has some fixes and optimisation tweaks to this.
Your content is amazing. Glad to see 'different' viable builds, than the typical maxed out sorc/hammerdin with perfect gear. I believe that everyone who plays Diablo II should also try to play single player mode, all the way through.
I recently did this with 2 HC characters.Lvl 52 zealer that died and a 84 concentrate barb that is still around.Playing in SP has one HUGE advantage that makes it a lot of fun,you MUST know how to use your gear effectively and build accordingly to the equipment you have at hand.
With that being said,I never devote myself to one build until late game and keep 3-5 skill points unused to adapt accordingly.That's whats so great about a permanent build system,it adds another level or strategic thinking to the game
I like to play in Battle.net because of there is more difficulty, monsters react quickly and a lot of things because its a ladder char. So I create a server with PvPGN and D2GS and I play alone there. The only disadvantage is that there is no "playersX". So I use loader and open the game 7 times more to fullfill a game ;)
Entertaining video! Another good alternative for single player WW Barb is the IK set. Great survivability and dmg on both single target and bosses. Combo it with Berserk for physical immunes. You also get a lot of mf with a couple of perfect topazes in the armor and helm. For my merc I use Duriel's shell for res and cannot be frozen and a Vampires Gaze for leach and dmg reduction.
How do you level up, until you have decent level of WW ? I mean, is there a mid-game gear, skills that you recommend? Like what setup do I run, before respecing into WW ?
For budget WW I'd stick with upped Butcher's Pupils or Razor's Edge. Pretty easy to get and they hit way better breakpoints. The other option I regulary aim for in single player is Ribcracker. That weapon is super dope, even on a barb (and it benefits from mace mastery). Dealing with ghosts is fairly easy with an act5 merc using Lawbringer (I think that's a non ladder RW). Obviously it is weaker in other cases.
Great video! I disagree about life being damage reduction, though, I think that's a misleading way to put it. Having more life does not make you take less damage. That's not to say that having a big life pool isn't great, because it definitely is.
Well that's just my way of making the point that what really counts is the percentage of life a received attack takes. Obviously if you have 100 life and take 10 damage you've lost 10% of your life, whereas that same 10 damage done to a character with 200 life takes only 5% of total life. The increase in life has led to less damage taken, in terms of percentage of total life.
if i buy the discs, can i play vanilla D2 on windows 10 to show my son the single player? Or do i need to buy LoD to get patch? showing him all of the old classics
I may not be the guy to ask, but years back I remember I could buy them right off the blizzard website, and you had to buy D2 and LoD separately, so I'm sure you can buy just D2 if you don't want to do the expansion. But if you do buy LoD as well you can still make a classic character. And you don't need the CDs, just direct download off the website.
haha word not tryna give too much away but I moved to a foreign country within the past 2 weeks so i've got some stuff goin lol. thanks though, I am playing very occasionally. Mostly slowly slowly working on my hardcore sp holy freeze zealer
I like the point you made about uniques not being viable on bnet. This is especially true now that d2jsp is growing in recognition. P.S. - Guillaume is pronounced Gee-yoam.
lol word I always knew i was mispronouncing it, and I really dont even know how I started saying it like that. I think I had a friend back in the day who said it that way and I followed his lead (passing the blame). I've just stuck with it out of habit. But yeah I really like that in single player you find use for things that you never would in bnet simply because its not best in slot. In single player there are more constraints.
I'm not saying you used hero editor but i'd like to know how did you mule the items from one char to the other if you don't have plugy, because there's no way that 86 barb found all those items unless you're the luckiest man ever! I have a 92 MF sorc and haven't found Leviathan/ Highlord's / Dracul's / Grandfather and not even one Vex rune :)).
I actually have 2 computers to accomplish this goal lol. I have my laptop open running D2 with a character in a Tc/Ip game and I just join in and out with mules and other characters on my desktop. I just throw gear, gold, and shit on the ground from my good chars and pick it up with mules. It's pretty ineffective compared to something like plugy but it's kind of nice to do it without mods.
That looks so awesome! What /players setting are you using? Do u think its possible to beat the game on players 8 with a ww barb? Or am I being naive? Sry but I just started playing D2 believe it or not so I'm kind off a noob heh.
This is /players 1, personally i just dont fuss that much with players settings unless i'm using it for mfing. I'm sure you can beat the game with a ww barb on /players 8, but I'm sure it would be pretty hard too. Even my barb would probably have trouble at times on /players 8. It would be especially hard if you're just starting out with that character (ie not mfing and finding gear and xfering it over on plugy or whatever). That'd be a tough grind but if you're up for the challenge then go for it. You'll probably want to be fairly defensively oriented (in play style as well as gear). Also, will need a large amount of crushing blow. Also, see my note about Knockback in the description.
Sometimes de AI of the game makes harder the session adding more monsters and uniques packs. In players8 mode Lord of the Moons/Black Souls/Viperine Snakes packs are ver, very dangerous.
lolol i actually mention this in another video actually.. but i've found only 1 arreats and it was ethereal. I might use guillaumes anyway for this char, but yeah i've been having some bad luck on that one.
Kruggers13 What up man great video & presentation. Not gonna lie though you roasted my Zealot's 'Durress' armor. You called yours bunk and mine is a Loricated Mail with about 100 less defense. Anybody else wonder why NO ONE uses Famine anymore?!
ya knowww.w..... I've been playing for about 14 years...?..... and my highest level character has always been lvl 91. That took forever to get from 90 to 91, I just don't see how people go beyond that..... I don't knkow how to bot! lol! But even single player :D gg Kruggers! Holy shart a grandfather blade! Some other youtuber made the classic ww barb.... remember that one? Of course you do. What was it.... grandfather, shaftstop, arreats, or ive seen rockstopper sallet, coa of course, other crap, war traves, hmm gloves... steel rend? frostburns? lol string of ears, Guillaume's oh yeah, I still have several of those. I almsot always socket those. My suriken assasin wears a guiallumes religiously....and I think it's pronounced as, 'Guy-yoom', or 'Guy-yooms', in the case of personal possesors, and it's a male person's first name. Perhaps the shortened name of 'Guy' comes from it...?? Maras amy, oh what is that ring and amy set we all have a shit ton of... artics? You know adds crap ton of attack rating... ANGELICS! right, either that, or the .... nevermind I love ranting about this god damned game. peace out nipples!
You REALLY should try making a server and play there alone. Make ladder chars and enjoy ladder advantages and increased difficulty. Single player characters are compatible. Just download an editor (Hero Editor works well for this) before and modify your character into a ladder char before importing to your server. Google PvPGN (Battle.net emulator), D2GS (Diablo II Game Server) and Battle.net gateway editor of course. Hope to see that barb fighting some ubers ;)
You absolutely did not find that grandfather. What you did do was grab hero editor make a bunch of items and spend an stupid amount of time building characters that look legit (to someone who is clueless about d2). Which makes you liar and over such a stupid game no less.... shame
lol man. gettin worked up huh? Well, as you say, it would be pretty ridiculous to use hero editor to make characters and then try to pass them off as legit to snooker anonymous youtubers in order to... to... slowly obtain about 800 subscribers over a period of months and months.... In order to... ??? Yeah dude, it would be crazy to do that, and in fact i didn't do that. I found the grandfather, like i found all my other items. I believe a grandfather has about a 1/47000 chance of dropping from elites in high level drop areas in hell mode. And if you play diablo 2 a lot its actually not crazy to find something that rare. In fact, i've found quite a few items of that rarity level and a couple items that are more rare. I find these items on my hammerdin and use a third party muling software to transfer it (as i explain in other videos). What strikes me as ridiculous, indeed as a "shame," is that you would concoct a theory in which I am such a devious schemer for so pathetic a goal. Why is that more plausible than believing I am a person who is enthusiastic about a certain old video game, who plays that game fairly often, and who posts videos of the characters he makes on youtube? Why is that so implausible? Solely based on the level of rarity of the items in those videos? Doing the math on drop chances and elites killed per unit of time is not so complicated. You don't need a degree in statistics to figure out that finding ONE grandfather sword is actually a pretty realistic outcome. Usually I don't deign to engage with your kind of a person, and I would typically delete such a comment. But I don't think its polite to call someone a liar. I will let your comment stand, with my reply alongside, because it says much more about you than it does about me.
Liar ive been playing this game since the conception of diablo1 and I know for a fact that the chances of you finding a GF on your barb in single player without 20k+ hell baal runs at 1000+ mf is almost zero. Then to top it off you want me to believe you also found dracs, SS, Laviathen, Gores, and verdungo's? bull shit get a life
As I said quite clearly in my previous reply, and in other videos I have posted, I dont mf on this barbarian. I mf on my hammerdin and transfer the items over using GoMule. That makes killing much quicker. Also, killing baal is BY FAR not the most efficient way of finding high rarity uniques. Killing elites is. That's why pindle and ancient tunnel runs are so effective. Let's take the 1/20k number you cite. Yes, at certain levels of mf, GF will drop from baal about once per 20k runs. Okay, but you should remember that there are several other items that also drop at that rarity level (lets say there 20 or so). That means you can expect to find an item of equivalent rarity to GF every 1000 runs or so. Not bad! Very doable. (And you dont need 1000% mf, due to diminishing returns you can have much less and probably be about 90% as effective). Also remember that if you have found a GF, its very likely you will have found the other items you cite (ss, gores, levi, etc ,etc) along the way, since those items are considerably less rare than a GF. So if you have a GF, it would be more surprising NOT to see those items along side it. This is really just basic math buddy. I'm really surprised that someone could be so surprised and so indignant that another person found a rare item in a game. PLENTY of diablo 2 players have found these items.. its not an experience unique to me. Considering how i play and how much time i spend playing, it really is not surprising that i've found so many high level items. These items have been accumulated slowly over a period of several years (seriously, yes). Also, I'll just add that its not exactly a point of pride for me that i spend so much time playing a video game lol. It's really more embarrassing than anything else. But I dont get my kicks by pulling one over on youtube people i dont even know... its just not my thing. I like the game, and i like to share my experience with other people who appreciate it. That's all. Again, I find your reaction strange. Hopefully this explanation is clear enough for you.
Rob, tbh these items you've listed aren't that hard to find.. I have all these items you seem to thing are unobtainable. All on singleplayer. You just have to put in the time(Doing the correct MF'ing), which, clearly you haven't.
I have done some mf for about half a year (playing on and off) on several different characters in single player and I have found I believe all except 10 uniques in the game, including two Grandfathers. So the premise of your accusation is false. I mean, just look at the channel MrLlamaSC and his "Holy Grail Sorc" series. He even found Tyriel's Might for the love of god... Now we are talking about rare once in several lifetime finds. Beside the main point of you comment, the game is by no definition stupid =)
As soon as he entered the game, his PC sounded like it wanted to become a whirlwind barb.
Transforms into an airplane lol
It's kinda ridiculous that his PC is working this hard running a 20 year old game.
@@Nemesis_T_Type needs to clean the cpu cooler for sure lol
You guys don't understand... he is playing on a drone.
@@oddeology1259 D2 is not optimised to only use the cores of your cpu that it needs. It uses all of them; Path of Diablo mod has some fixes and optimisation tweaks to this.
Your content is amazing. Glad to see 'different' viable builds, than the typical maxed out sorc/hammerdin with perfect gear. I believe that everyone who plays Diablo II should also try to play single player mode, all the way through.
I recently did this with 2 HC characters.Lvl 52 zealer that died and a 84 concentrate barb that is still around.Playing in SP has one HUGE advantage that makes it a lot of fun,you MUST know how to use your gear effectively and build accordingly to the equipment you have at hand.
With that being said,I never devote myself to one build until late game and keep 3-5 skill points unused to adapt accordingly.That's whats so great about a permanent build system,it adds another level or strategic thinking to the game
I like to play in Battle.net because of there is more difficulty, monsters react quickly and a lot of things because its a ladder char. So I create a server with PvPGN and D2GS and I play alone there. The only disadvantage is that there is no "playersX". So I use loader and open the game 7 times more to fullfill a game ;)
Interesting video ! But I've never seen someone screw up my name so bad!
Entertaining video! Another good alternative for single player WW Barb is the IK set. Great survivability and dmg on both single target and bosses. Combo it with Berserk for physical immunes. You also get a lot of mf with a couple of perfect topazes in the armor and helm. For my merc I use Duriel's shell for res and cannot be frozen and a Vampires Gaze for leach and dmg reduction.
Make sure to use the enchant from demon limb too.
you got grandfather, almost perfect leviathan and azurewrath and crown of ages on your paladin... it so rarest items, thats insane
That Silence in your off hhand was the PERFECT choice, no one uses it but it has so much good things about it 👍👍
"goleems" bruh that is not how we say Guillaume's.. Gi/yome thats how u pronounce that
How do you level up, until you have decent level of WW ? I mean, is there a mid-game gear, skills that you recommend? Like what setup do I run, before respecing into WW ?
For budget WW I'd stick with upped Butcher's Pupils or Razor's Edge. Pretty easy to get and they hit way better breakpoints. The other option I regulary aim for in single player is Ribcracker. That weapon is super dope, even on a barb (and it benefits from mace mastery). Dealing with ghosts is fairly easy with an act5 merc using Lawbringer (I think that's a non ladder RW). Obviously it is weaker in other cases.
Great video! I disagree about life being damage reduction, though, I think that's a misleading way to put it. Having more life does not make you take less damage. That's not to say that having a big life pool isn't great, because it definitely is.
Well that's just my way of making the point that what really counts is the percentage of life a received attack takes. Obviously if you have 100 life and take 10 damage you've lost 10% of your life, whereas that same 10 damage done to a character with 200 life takes only 5% of total life. The increase in life has led to less damage taken, in terms of percentage of total life.
if i buy the discs, can i play vanilla D2 on windows 10 to show my son the single player? Or do i need to buy LoD to get patch? showing him all of the old classics
I may not be the guy to ask, but years back I remember I could buy them right off the blizzard website, and you had to buy D2 and LoD separately, so I'm sure you can buy just D2 if you don't want to do the expansion. But if you do buy LoD as well you can still make a classic character. And you don't need the CDs, just direct download off the website.
I like your contents because I've always wondered if it was possible to beat the game without ladder/online stuff and you show it is possible
thanks dude!
You should watch a speedrun
"There can be only one" / Kortan
love the Green Color on that Armor ! ^^
Listening to these while MF'ing, you need to release some content man :D
haha word not tryna give too much away but I moved to a foreign country within the past 2 weeks so i've got some stuff goin lol. thanks though, I am playing very occasionally. Mostly slowly slowly working on my hardcore sp holy freeze zealer
Oh dang, well hope all is going well on your end!
Did not know you could get rune words on single player. How many are there?
I like the point you made about uniques not being viable on bnet. This is especially true now that d2jsp is growing in recognition.
P.S. - Guillaume is pronounced Gee-yoam.
lol word I always knew i was mispronouncing it, and I really dont even know how I started saying it like that. I think I had a friend back in the day who said it that way and I followed his lead (passing the blame). I've just stuck with it out of habit.
But yeah I really like that in single player you find use for things that you never would in bnet simply because its not best in slot. In single player there are more constraints.
I'm not saying you used hero editor but i'd like to know how did you mule the items from one char to the other if you don't have plugy, because there's no way that 86 barb found all those items unless you're the luckiest man ever! I have a 92 MF sorc and haven't found Leviathan/ Highlord's / Dracul's / Grandfather and not even one Vex rune :)).
GoMule
why not Plugy?
I actually have 2 computers to accomplish this goal lol. I have my laptop open running D2 with a character in a Tc/Ip game and I just join in and out with mules and other characters on my desktop. I just throw gear, gold, and shit on the ground from my good chars and pick it up with mules. It's pretty ineffective compared to something like plugy but it's kind of nice to do it without mods.
I miss the days of being able to craft cruel colossus blades of haste with chipped gems in 1.09
So godly
What about tyreals might
What do you use for muling? I used to use atma, but since 1.14 it's broken
i use gomule, got a vid up about it. But my muling system is just fucked up and stupid.. get plugy
Kruggers13 plugy and go mule aren't updated to 1.14 from what I have found... Any other tips or ideas?
well i use a pirated 1.13 copy, might still be out there. idk bro. google
Kruggers13 I use go mule on 1.14D
Yeah, i figured it out to work for 1.14
That looks so awesome! What /players setting are you using? Do u think its possible to beat the game on players 8 with a ww barb? Or am I being naive? Sry but I just started playing D2 believe it or not so I'm kind off a noob heh.
This is /players 1, personally i just dont fuss that much with players settings unless i'm using it for mfing. I'm sure you can beat the game with a ww barb on /players 8, but I'm sure it would be pretty hard too. Even my barb would probably have trouble at times on /players 8. It would be especially hard if you're just starting out with that character (ie not mfing and finding gear and xfering it over on plugy or whatever). That'd be a tough grind but if you're up for the challenge then go for it. You'll probably want to be fairly defensively oriented (in play style as well as gear). Also, will need a large amount of crushing blow. Also, see my note about Knockback in the description.
Sometimes de AI of the game makes harder the session adding more monsters and uniques packs. In players8 mode Lord of the Moons/Black Souls/Viperine Snakes packs are ver, very dangerous.
I'm running double Ethereal Oath's on my ww barb. 1- Balrog Blade, 1- Colossus Blade
"Goleems"
Rockstopper's awesome.. My first Frost Zealot had that paired with Shaftstop , Rhyme, and Butcher's Pupil'... Not the worst lol
oof word i need a butchers pupil
So that's dope! Thx for the vid.
Hey not sure if you found an arrears yet but I found one from the guy outside the crystalline passage thresh try farming him easy to kill
lolol i actually mention this in another video actually.. but i've found only 1 arreats and it was ethereal. I might use guillaumes anyway for this char, but yeah i've been having some bad luck on that one.
Kruggers13 I found an arreats off a weapon rack in LK runs. Pretty much lowest rolls possible but I dont care atm
Kruggers13 What up man great video & presentation. Not gonna lie though you roasted my Zealot's 'Durress' armor. You called yours bunk and mine is a Loricated Mail with about 100 less defense.
Anybody else wonder why NO ONE uses Famine anymore?!
lolol well you take what you can get in single player man, if it's loricated mail then thats fine
grew videos man. I subbed
Still subbed
man pasa el save tuss personajes
no entiendo
@@kruggers1329 osea el save de guardado de sigleplayer campaña
@@kruggers1329 tienes la 1.12
tengo 1.13.
@@kruggers1329 pasa el save ps de to personajes que tengas mientran sea druida full y amazona fuul mucho mejor
im runing 2x oath in eth barlogs atm witch is not that expensive, just need some luck :P and boy that final ww breakpoint makes wonders
Oath is ladder only
"Have I had concentrate on this whole time?" Yes. Definitely. Was waiting for you to notice. XD
Top5 helmets lol Gface is the best Helm you can get by far
ya knowww.w..... I've been playing for about 14 years...?..... and my highest level character has always been lvl 91. That took forever to get from 90 to 91, I just don't see how people go beyond that..... I don't knkow how to bot! lol! But even single player :D gg Kruggers! Holy shart a grandfather blade! Some other youtuber made the classic ww barb.... remember that one? Of course you do. What was it.... grandfather, shaftstop, arreats, or ive seen rockstopper sallet, coa of course, other crap, war traves, hmm gloves... steel rend? frostburns? lol string of ears, Guillaume's oh yeah, I still have several of those. I almsot always socket those. My suriken assasin wears a guiallumes religiously....and I think it's pronounced as, 'Guy-yoom', or 'Guy-yooms', in the case of personal possesors, and it's a male person's first name. Perhaps the shortened name of 'Guy' comes from it...?? Maras amy, oh what is that ring and amy set we all have a shit ton of... artics? You know adds crap ton of attack rating... ANGELICS! right, either that, or the .... nevermind I love ranting about this god damned game. peace out nipples!
p.s. You're still talking while I'm still typing. I sub in your general direction!!
Stay right where you are I'm calling an ambulance
Kruggers13 agree..
SWAG
You REALLY should try making a server and play there alone. Make ladder chars and enjoy ladder advantages and increased difficulty. Single player characters are compatible. Just download an editor (Hero Editor works well for this) before and modify your character into a ladder char before importing to your server. Google PvPGN (Battle.net emulator), D2GS (Diablo II Game Server) and Battle.net gateway editor of course. Hope to see that barb fighting some ubers ;)
dang yo sounds complicated. All this works on a mac?
@@kruggers1329 Nope. Windows only :(
You can run it on Linux with Wine.
I'm only using builds that are viable on players 8. And WW bard is not that good. Nice video anyway bro.
dont runaway bro. Kill ALL monsters in keep level 3. LoL.
Gwill-low-me
My barb can play a solo run in WSK even without merc. Only Lord Of Death and Black Souls packs Stay away from them!!!!!
Gul-Ims??? wtf its guy-ohms -_-
You absolutely did not find that grandfather. What you did do was grab hero editor make a bunch of items and spend an stupid amount of time building characters that look legit (to someone who is clueless about d2). Which makes you liar and over such a stupid game no less.... shame
lol man. gettin worked up huh? Well, as you say, it would be pretty ridiculous to use hero editor to make characters and then try to pass them off as legit to snooker anonymous youtubers in order to... to... slowly obtain about 800 subscribers over a period of months and months.... In order to... ??? Yeah dude, it would be crazy to do that, and in fact i didn't do that. I found the grandfather, like i found all my other items. I believe a grandfather has about a 1/47000 chance of dropping from elites in high level drop areas in hell mode. And if you play diablo 2 a lot its actually not crazy to find something that rare. In fact, i've found quite a few items of that rarity level and a couple items that are more rare. I find these items on my hammerdin and use a third party muling software to transfer it (as i explain in other videos).
What strikes me as ridiculous, indeed as a "shame," is that you would concoct a theory in which I am such a devious schemer for so pathetic a goal. Why is that more plausible than believing I am a person who is enthusiastic about a certain old video game, who plays that game fairly often, and who posts videos of the characters he makes on youtube? Why is that so implausible? Solely based on the level of rarity of the items in those videos? Doing the math on drop chances and elites killed per unit of time is not so complicated. You don't need a degree in statistics to figure out that finding ONE grandfather sword is actually a pretty realistic outcome.
Usually I don't deign to engage with your kind of a person, and I would typically delete such a comment. But I don't think its polite to call someone a liar. I will let your comment stand, with my reply alongside, because it says much more about you than it does about me.
Liar ive been playing this game since the conception of diablo1 and I know for a fact that the chances of you finding a GF on your barb in single player without 20k+ hell baal runs at 1000+ mf is almost zero. Then to top it off you want me to believe you also found dracs, SS, Laviathen, Gores, and verdungo's? bull shit get a life
As I said quite clearly in my previous reply, and in other videos I have posted, I dont mf on this barbarian. I mf on my hammerdin and transfer the items over using GoMule. That makes killing much quicker. Also, killing baal is BY FAR not the most efficient way of finding high rarity uniques. Killing elites is. That's why pindle and ancient tunnel runs are so effective.
Let's take the 1/20k number you cite. Yes, at certain levels of mf, GF will drop from baal about once per 20k runs. Okay, but you should remember that there are several other items that also drop at that rarity level (lets say there 20 or so). That means you can expect to find an item of equivalent rarity to GF every 1000 runs or so. Not bad! Very doable. (And you dont need 1000% mf, due to diminishing returns you can have much less and probably be about 90% as effective). Also remember that if you have found a GF, its very likely you will have found the other items you cite (ss, gores, levi, etc ,etc) along the way, since those items are considerably less rare than a GF. So if you have a GF, it would be more surprising NOT to see those items along side it.
This is really just basic math buddy. I'm really surprised that someone could be so surprised and so indignant that another person found a rare item in a game. PLENTY of diablo 2 players have found these items.. its not an experience unique to me. Considering how i play and how much time i spend playing, it really is not surprising that i've found so many high level items. These items have been accumulated slowly over a period of several years (seriously, yes). Also, I'll just add that its not exactly a point of pride for me that i spend so much time playing a video game lol. It's really more embarrassing than anything else. But I dont get my kicks by pulling one over on youtube people i dont even know... its just not my thing. I like the game, and i like to share my experience with other people who appreciate it. That's all. Again, I find your reaction strange. Hopefully this explanation is clear enough for you.
Rob, tbh these items you've listed aren't that hard to find.. I have all these items you seem to thing are unobtainable. All on singleplayer. You just have to put in the time(Doing the correct MF'ing), which, clearly you haven't.
I have done some mf for about half a year (playing on and off) on several different characters in single player and I have found I believe all except 10 uniques in the game, including two Grandfathers. So the premise of your accusation is false. I mean, just look at the channel MrLlamaSC and his "Holy Grail Sorc" series. He even found Tyriel's Might for the love of god... Now we are talking about rare once in several lifetime finds. Beside the main point of you comment, the game is by no definition stupid =)