Should Naughty Dog Be Put Down? - The Last Of Us Part 2 Review
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This game is an absolute minefield, people love it to death, people hate it to death, no matter which end of the spectrum you fall under, people are gonna hate ya for it! Which is why I did my absolute best to try and give this game a fair review, by coming into it completely spoiler free, and talking about the game based on it's own merits.
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Song list:
00:47 - Golf (course select - wii sports
1:29 - Take On Me on 4 banjos - brandon walsh
2:01 - the sims soundtrack neighborhood 5
2:48 - tennis (training) - wii sports
3:42 - tennis (replay) - wii sports
4:27 - Kinect sports season 2 "select your sports" theme song
5:34 - Take on me (fingerstyle guitar) - Guus music
6:27 - take on me (angela) - beatmania IIDX 3rd style
7:16 - buy mode 2 - the sims soundtrack
8:51 - (test) wii sports music
9:54 - bowling - wii sports music
10:20 - boxing training results - wii sports
10:44 - born in the 50's
11:45 - neighborhood 3 - the sims soundtrack
13:29 - bowling results - wii sports
14:23 - buy mode 3 - the sims soundtrack
- Golf (course intro) - wii sports
- Golf (results)
- The Sims Neighborhood 2
- Golf (course select)
- Tomodachi Life OST Dock
- Abby-cadabra 8-bit
- Take on me finger style - Kevin Cisneros
25:20 - buy mode 4 - the sims soundtrack
26:36 - Neighborhood 6 - the sims soundtrack
28:00 - the last of us trap remix
Thank you finzar!
I quite liked this video and thought it was thoroughly entertaining, but I have to wonder why it gets a 7/10, specifically because of 25:03, if a game had me mostly bored in that way I would give it around a 4/10. I understand why parts have to be slow in games, it can't all be action but something like would be unacceptable to me (I haven't played it as I don't have PS4 so I am going off of your review for it)
Thanks renn for doing the review from the stream I thought you were just gonna be 1 sided but this was my basically what I thought about the story except for the end
I didn't agree with everything you said in the video, I think the game was great, But it was a very good review and I respect it more than what most people have to say about The last of us 2
I know you have made a video about raid shadow legend but I kinda think raid shadow legend have copied a more acceptable game named dungeon boss
Joel was "open minded" by a golf club.
this guy gets it!
Joels mind "was blown" by a golf club.
It was "mind opening" that they did that.
RennsReviews y’all are hurting my heart
Joel in One
*Naughty Dog:* Jesse
*Pewds:* Eugene
*RennsReviews:* Joshua
...what?
wcthesecret do we have to write it out for you? Jesse was so unforgettable people can’t even remember what his name was
@@Thug_Nose Or perhaps that's the very reason he asked "what," he can barely remember the joke names
@@Thug_Nose his plot significance boiled down to being a sperm donator 😂
>Joshua
I wish
They said that the game was going to be hard to watch. Meanwhile, my favorite little boy is just laughing at how brutal it is
@Eriko. Oy Looks like a game written by fans of The Walking Dead who spend too much time on facebook and tumblr. >__>
@@planescaped nah man. tumblr doesn't host porn anymore. it's twitter now.
@@planescaped Never seen the show, but the first two seasons of the video game were amazing! :/
He's grown ass boy, dude
Lesbian screaming intensifies
This is the most fair, unbiased review of this game I have seen so far. You knocked it out of the park little boy.
Have you seen Girlfriend review ? Their two videos on it are really great as well.
Will J I have. Love that channel.
Yeah hole in one 😂
Your boy is a warrior
@@JudgeFudge57 Her review was lit
that "dina the lesbina" joke was 10/10
Man you're right about Abby's dad when I first saw him I kept thinking there's no way this guy is this nice in the zombie apocalypse and them trying to make me feel bad for killing him just had the opposite effect
The more they showed of him, the Less I thought it was feasible to make the "Vaccine".
First: Vaccines don't work for fungal infections. I thought "Eh, it's probably a layman's term.". Apparently not.
Second: Vaccines are not cures. Everyone uses the terms interchangeably. Does this idiot not understand this?
Third: He takes ABBY saying "I'd be ok with it." As consent to kill Ellie. A: Holy fuck that's a total disrespect to her bodily autonomy, fuck that guy. B: A lot of people talk a big game when they're sacrificing someone else... C: Has this "Doctor" never taken the Hippocratic oath?
Fourth: Within what, 2 hours max? He's decided "Yup, got all the blood work, spinal fluid, scans, and non-lethal biopsies done. Time to kill our one and only subject!"? Dudes a fucking quack.
Fifth: does he have any idea about distribution? People act like it's going to be "Oh, I have made a cure. We now have unlimited amounts and a worldwide dispersal method."
Also, non-"Abby's dad isn't a real doctor." Issues:
Zombies can still tear your throat out. This is shown to be far more common of a hazard than spores.
Gasmasks work.
Raiders, warlords, and terrorists (Like the fireflies...) Are a far bigger threat than any of them. All this does is give more power to the people who were blowing up quarentine checkpoints and helping the infection spread.
Lack of supplies is a bigger problem than spores... At least until the second game when everyone seems to fixed that off screen...
They act like "Joel doomed the world for Ellie against her will." When it's "Joel saved an unconcious girl who'd be too young to consent anyway, from a naive moron who'd have failed if we were Lucky, and given huge power to a band of warlords if not, sparking greater conflicts."
i mean why not? joel was nice.
Plus he was black in the first game
@Jim26D Which confirms that the sequel wasn't planned before the first game.
They set up the trailers so that we’d think it was another Ellie/joe journey. The part in the trailer where Joel puts his hand over her mouth and tells her she ain’t doing this alone. Completely took him out and replaced him with Joshua. I mean Jessie
And then killed him too lmao, cus fuck men
imagine that rdr2 trailers shown that Arthur was dying lol.
Dont watch trailers. I watched nothinhg and this game shocked me like no other. Ever
“The AI will make callouts and act it out on you.”
Man, if only more games did that. That’s really cool... oh, hey FEAR, Rainbow Six Vegas,RE4/5, Halo 3, etc. what are you guys up to nowadays?
Mystery Man hey dishonored does that to
And how realistic is it exactly to telegraph your strategy to the enemy? "Hey I'll go left, you go right" "yes let's do that!" "We're coming!"
KnAvE sure, a well trained and well equipped team would use nonverbal or quieter means to communicate, but its a videogame, it needs to be done in an easy way to communicate it to the player. Point is, games have done it before, this is nothing new, move along.
"NOOOOOOGH!"
and the recent jedi game where they literally scream OH KNOW NO MORE RANGE THIS GONNA BE HARD or complicated orders and reactions like that
I’m so mad at myself. That first Wii golf reference went straight over my head
Wii sports
Daniel Byrne RE fucking LAX
@Daniel Byrne umm... Ok
Do you mean "went straight through my head"?
@@aytekineric8306 ya beat me to it.
Honestly kinda hyped to hear what you've got to say about the game.
Edit: Wouldn't mind that opinion on Joel's death video.
Hehe castle crashers
@@captaindiabetes4226 My boy! You're the same guy that replied to my one year old comment in that other video. Kudos for remembering such an amazing game!
@Harry Paul Uhhh Uhhh Uhhhhhhhhhhh SKIP
@@lifereadguy9933 my friends and I still play it
@Harry Paul where tf did u get simp from out of that
This is probably the best review of the game I've seen so far. I myself had trouble deciding whether or not to like what I had just experienced as the credits rolled. I liked the idea of the story, but the execution was just all over the place. Some of the side characters were, like you said, underdeveloped. I did like Yara and Lev though. The pacing was the worst part of the game. I agree with pretty much everything you said, except the gameplay being great. I found it to get tiresome relatively quickly, but to each their own.
I think people are getting sick of the whole Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones, super shock deaths in media honestly.
@@planescaped hell yeah, if abby's story portion came first the game would be way better pacing wise
How I reactioned:
Jackson: some parts I like and some parts I don’t
Ellie’s oversleeping : Hahahahahaa.... Her cussing makes me want to keep seeing this part.
Bigot sandwich : Awful Script and out of character
Snowball fight :Lol
Why do we keep focus on the dance night excessive kiss off and on all the way up a little over 1 hour of the game? It could have been cut very short. It’s a waste in my opinion. Bad script
Blizzard Patrol part : Yah... We get to see Ellie’s sarcastic side once again.
Weed den: Ridiculous, dirty, and entertaining.Then, Ellie and Dina’s stoned extreme kissing to suggesting they got sexual on a sofa/“Jane The Virgin” level scene. Ehhhh...yuccckkk...skip 🤢🤢🤢
Joel saving Abby and the way Joel dies = awful script/bullmess writing and seems rushed. In Jackson, Abby was annoying in my opinion.
Ellie talking to Tommy = 👍👍
Ellie and Dina in Joel’s house = 👍👍
Ellie Seattle day 1 : Slow paced, relaxing, and a little of dullness in some areas🙄🙄. Red room part was one of the better parts in day 1. Ellie’s immunity announcement for the 2nd time😁😁😁😁
Ellie seattle day 2 : I like quite bit of parts, but not everything. We get to see Ellie and Jesse’s friendship. I love that car chase. Seraphites/Scars when we get to see all of Ellie’s skills👍👍 Dina gives Ellie the lucky bracelet and their chemistry was 😬😬😬 in that scene.
Ellie Seattle day 3 : I like quite bit of parts, but not everything. The flood Seattle city boat part was cool to me. It’s that Jesse’s death is terrible and random as heck😰😰, but not as bad as Joel’s death.
Abby Seattle day 1 : Really boring from the beginning to nearly the end😑😑😑. Issac was the most interesting part. Too much about “generic” ex boyfriend Owen🙄😨. That Abby and Owen’s boat porno sexual affair/HBO level scene.... So disgusting🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢... skip
Abby Seattle day 2 : Still not liking these Abby flashbacks🤨🤨😕😕. Still boring, including the zebra part and aquarium parts. Not as boring. We get to see Abby bonding Lev and Yara. Lev is kind of boring, but not as bad as Owen.
Abby Seattle day 3 : I like it for the most part. Abby really improves as a character in Day 3. Still don’t care about Lev. The burning fire town was intense. That Abby and Ellie’s theater fight was just something🤨🤨🤨
Farm : Cute when Ellie dances with JJ and Dina. Ellie forces the sarcastic out of herself, but it’s not working😕. Ellie’s panic attack was intense. Once Tommy starts aruging, the farm becomes dragging. It’s like get to the action already.
Santa Barbara : I had several mixed feelings about Santa Barbara. Confusion, dislike, slow, and like. Confused and it was on the slower side during half of this chapter, including Abby part and Ellie’s part. some of early Ellie’s Santa Barbara gameplay was a little dull. I love the part when Ellie gets the 2nd bite and how her sarcastic self responds to it. “Ellie helps the prisoners“ scene = 👍👍 < in character
Ellie and Abby’s beach boss fight. She could have killed Abby because it makes more sense, based on her character. Abby in that rope, Ellie could have got her with the gun and go back to the farm easily. That final boss fight was pure plot armor and wasted.
Farm ending: Very very sad. The only part I like is that Ellie and Joel’s flashback because we get to see a deep meaningful of their father figure to daughter relationship. I hate that Neil confirms that Ellie loses everything by the time farm ending comes. Neil, why did you have to do Ellie so dirty? She has been through enough.
Ellie and Dina’s relationship was somehow decent, but far from great.
Abby and Owen’s relationship was awkward and boring. The most interesting part is that Owen cheats on pregnant Mel with Abby.
Best relationship : Ellie and Joel’s foster father to daughter relationship, Ellie and Jesse’s friendship
Worst characters : Owen, Mel, Lev
Best characters : Ellie, Tommy, Maria, and Jesse
Favorite parts : The part where Ellie tells Dina that she's immune for the 2nd time, Jesse’s car chase, Ellie’s Scars combat, and 17 year old Ellie flashback with Joel and Tommy.
Story/script : 5.1/10 At least, the story is better than Mitsuki disappearance arc from Boruto anime. The 1st Last Of Us story was so much better.
Pacing and order of the story : 4.1/10
Voice acting : 8/10
Gameplay/combat : 7/10
Environmental details : 8.5/10
Graphics : 9.1/10
This is just my personal opinion.
The pacing was pretty awkward. I didn’t like how Ellie’s story get’s put on hold abruptly like that. And as much as I liked Abby, I feel like her half of the story was way longer and steals the spotlight off of Ellie for too long. Not to mention the transition between the two characters feel like starting a new game almost. Very jarring.
I wonder if it would have been better if they jumped between characters every few chapters. I had more I wanted to say about this but lost my train of thought. Sorry.
Anyway, aside from the strange pacing, I thought the game was great! I agree with just about everything Renan said here.
Charlie Koszulinski Interesting point of view. By Abby’s day 3, I didn’t exactly think Abby was a bad and annoying character. I’m team Ellie all day, I didn’t like her as much as I did in part 1. She feels out of character sometimes to me in the new game. I can understand her being cold and stuff since she was already more quiet after the David part.
The fact that they abused the hell out of their workers and falsely DMCAd people, gives me a good enough reason to for them to be “put down”
@Luca KELLY Where did you heard that, thats the first time i've heard that info. Still though i'd lay some blame on naughty dog for being unable to control its employees
Luca KELLY
Yeah, Neil Druckmann being the biggest example.
Who gives a shit about DMCAs? 😂
@@HDGamergr nice bait
@@HDGamergr the content creators.
I've loved naughty dog since i was a kid, and i am so sad to say this was the first time they ever let me down.
Same
Why? Suberb graphics, improved gameplay, great soundtrack, superb cusomization of gameplay features to your own taste, great acting, suberb replayability given the story development. So the didn't live happily ever after, doesn't mean it is a trash game.
@@scandicraft157 shit storyline, shit story pacing, this game had more cutscenes and walking around than combat. Just a miserable sad game.
@@scandicraft157 The negatives outweigh the positives in my opinion.
@@RR-lb6mr the first game had more walking than combat as well. So that point of yours is invalid
You know I would have liked this game more if they gave Abby a Kratos costume and Ellie an Athena costume.
And joel a zeus costume?
@@zombiez1231 or a ball costume
The story just wasn't that good, it had good ideas- but executed poorly and confusing for alot of it. The gameplay was good, and the graphics/gore/scenery was amazing. It just felt like a mediocre revenge story that could have been any other game, separate to the graphics and game play which are uniquely the last of us. Edit: nothing about the trans/ lesbian sections I have any problem with. It wasn't as in your face, and it worked well. The revenge story itself and pacing is what I have a problem with.
It wasn't even a revenge story...
@@dangdang4334 It was a love story?
@@deathsdoor07 it was a teen drama with other of murder.
The gameplay and graphics were wasted on a bad story like this
FYI Nobody really has a problem with lesbians except ultra-orthodox Abrahimic religious people. Nobody abuses lesbians more than other lesbians do.
I liked the review it was open minded and it wasn't just "It's the best game ever known to man!!" or "It's the worst thing ever and it should have never exisited!!" I personally like the game but do have aspects that I didn't like at all. But I would be interested seeing Renn's opinion on Joel's death.
Yeah the open minded part was the best i guess thats why Neil chose to steal that and apply it to Joel via Golf Club
Naw this game is definitely the best one on ps4 so far. Anyone with an open mind would love this game. Story is pretty creative and I wouldn't change a thing.
Tayta Tot Creative? It hits almost every point in the book.
Bad thing happens to character and character sets out for revenge. They find the bad guy and are destroyed. They are about to give up, but then find inspiration to continue. Eventually, they figure out that revenge is bad, usually with the perpetrator dying but having redeemed themselves. It is in no way creative.
@Anunay Gupta So yeah, this game is meant to show you that there are always two sides to one story. Ellie and Joel was the Villain to Abby, and Abby was the Villain to Ellie. This completely blew over everyone's head. Shows how intelligent the gaming community is.
Anunay Gupta it’s impossible to find a game better than last of us part 2 in PlayStation and I nearly played all the exclusives. The fluidity of character movements, kill animations, and gameplay overall is really good, I finished the game on realistic difficulty and maybe that made it more interesting I don’t know about that but gameplay is really engaging and immersive. And personally I really liked the story and its brutality because I tried to listen to the story instead of picking sides but I think liking the story is personal. But the gameplay and graphics are top-notch in PlayStation
11:57 actually my issue with Ellie’s portion of the story is that the pacing is DREADFUL. Nearly all of the extended walking/traversal and light-platforming/puzzle sections are in her half of the game.
She doesn’t have nearly as many set-piece locations, nor does she have nearly as many unique encounters. 90% of her campaign is just getting from point A to B, and more than half of that is alone, without any narrative or character development.
There are just WAY TOO MANY periods where nothing outside of ‘world-building’ is taking place in Ellie’s campaign.
Abby’s section on the other hand is extremely well paced, and you spend most of the campaign actually developing her while also giving her the most interesting locations, conversations, and set-pieces.
It almost feels like the writers were so focused on making Abby’s section awesome, and making Abby’s supporting cast (somewhat) interesting that they forgot about Ellie’s section. Like it was an afterthought.
Idk that seems like a bad take. Ellie's section was filled with character development, albeit some dumb development at times. The Synagogue portion with Dina was an incredible scene, with backstory on Dina and some relationship building. The weed stash scene was goofy, but kinda fun to watch and had a big impact on Ellie with remorse for what happened to Joel while she was getting high. The entire open world Seattle portion was an hour of exploration gameplay that was so much fun. Abby's gameplay I couldn't even get through because it was so boring, I had to skip through a let's play just to see the end.
Andre Semidey The synagogue section is literally two minutes worth of character building in a 12 hour section. And while there are a few moments like that sprinkled throughout her campaign, Ellie doesn’t get very much character development by way of gameplay… Which is what the bulk of her portion is. And the rest of it is dealing with present issues, so we don’t really learn a whole lot about Ellie in her Seattle time. It’s mostly done through flashbacks, and in her journal..
And the open world section wasn’t fun, it was slow and only served to be a big distraction… Even the interactions between her and Dina weren’t exceptional, it was mostly just random tidbits to give the player random tidbits of information about how these characters think, but there really isn’t major development, nor is the gameplay exciting, or unique. It hurts the pacing more than it helps flesh out the characters,
@@quiettimegaming3642 Idk if you think the open world section is just a big distraction then maybe you just like playing linear ass games. Exploring the entirety of the synagogue would have been no less than 10 minutes, with insight into Dina's life before Jackson and her religious beliefs. You can't complain about character development when you aren't willing to explore everything to its maximum capacity. Ellie herself had an entire game dedicated to her, which means she only needs a little bit to catch up to speed. Which doesnt actually mean much, considering how inconsistent the writers are with her actual character
@@andresemidey9679 Yeah, we weren't talking about Dina, we were talking about Ellie. And just because the Synagogue section takes 10 minutes doesn't mean the entire ten minutes is character development.
Here's what we learn.
1. Dina is Jewish (big shocker)
2. Dina's sister was Jewish (so what)
3. Dina still prays sometimes
4. Ellie isn't religious (big shocker)
5. The game won't let you shoot the torah.
So what does any of that mean? I'm not saying it doesn't play a part in the larger narrative overall because character development is made up of a bunch of little things to give the player a larger view of the character, and I guess you're right. It does that. But we gt lots of that throughout their time together. And ultimately, Dina still feels under-developed (imo) and we still don't know much about her.
In fact, I'd say we know less about Dina than we do ANY character that got remotely as much screen time.
We know more about Owen, Mel, Manny, and Lev than we do Dina and Jesse.
And don't get me wrong this is my favorite game OF ALL TIME (and it's not even close). But I don't think Dina was well used or fleshed out, and she gets sidelined before we really learn much about what makes her tick.
And as much as I love this game, the first half of Ellie's "day 1" is the ABSOLUTE worst part of it, and it takes up way too much time. Half of Ellie's entire section is made up of Day 1, and not much of note happens. It's fairly uneventful.
And as I said in my original post, the same could really be said for 80% of Ellie's section. It's just her by herself, going from point a to point b. It';s not well paced, and it's not nearly as interesting mostly because the gameplay is too similar, the locations are too similar, and the enemies and encounters are too similar. Yes it's all good stuff, but there isn't much variety, nor does the game try to shake it up until you get to Abby, which is why her part is superior.
And yeah, I'd rather a game be linear and focused than open and meandering if there a choice between the two. And Ellie's day 1 meanders for far too long with no real payoff.
“I know You wish things were different I wish things were different but they ain’t.”
hey aren't you dead?
I know Joel, we miss u and I hope the game was different. But it is what it is
Boo-hoo Video Game bad
Ben Dover it is
@@maricondones yes IT is, but the outrage is ridiculous Like wtf its a Video Game
I avoided the leaks by some miracle, I still don't like the lou2
Omg same (about the leaks.)
I really enjoyed Part II
Same couldn’t dig it
@Harry Paul jesus christ can you leave me enjoy what I like?
@Harry Paul I care about the story, and ignore certain plotholes. I think it was a good game.
@Harry Paul the story delivers really well to me, and as long as I personally liked it, its not anyone's business to try and change my mind.
Great review, seriously.
I gave it a 6/10. The story did it. I couldn't handle Joel's death, I had a very strong connection to Joel and Ellie from the first game. I just wanted to relive that, not have it torn down. Not only did they fail to create another masterpiece, but they took something away from the original, it hurt to play this game. I play games to escape hurting, not experience more.
Gamers: Video games should be fun.
Neil: yeah.. we don't do that here.
cringe.
It's the zombie apocalypse, it makes sense that you lose the people you were attached to. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have done that. I applaud them for doing something that risky and ballsy, they knew people would complain and didn't care, we need more of that kind of risk taking in the industry.
@@noname_noname_It's the zombie apocalypse, it makes sense that you lose the people you were attached to. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have done that. I applaud them for doing something that risky and ballsy, they knew people would complain and didn't care, we need more of that kind of risk taking in the industry.
Last of Us 2 isn't mediocre because it's depressing. The narrative isn't well structured or thought out.
"What words should I mute to avoid spoilers"?
Joel. Killed. Golf club.
This game would have been alot better if they magically introduce kratos to this timeline and obliterate each and every zombie in this game instead of adding Abby.
But then again, most games would be better if they were to magically introduce Kratos into their timeline who then moves on to obliterating stuff. I'm playing Ghost of Sashimi right now, and even though it's a great game, it would definitely gain worth by doing just that.
For more grounded game they should have added Arthur Morgan to dead eye everybody
Side note most miss, they totally retconned the ending of 1. Leaving aside the fact the surgeon Joel killed in 1 was not white, they also made the whole room cleaner as in 1 it was a dingy shithole. They made everything look very professional in 2.
Are you blind? Have you actually played the first game? The surgeon at the end of the first game was most definitely not black. Like not even close.
@@movieswithmatticus5469 did he said he was black? You do know there are more races other than white or black right?
I see why someone would think the surgeon is non white, low light etc but if you stab him with the scalpel joel gets face to face with him and you can see clearly that he is, in fact white
@@michaelsantos8377 A lot of people have been saying that the original doctor was black because the original character model for Abby was black.
@@Warbuss33 Point is, it's a radically different-looking face than the retcon in the sequel, and he doesn't look white. Algerian, West Asian, or otherwise mixed. They ret-conned him to be Captain America. (...Dr. America?) Just look up a screenshot comparison.
Joel was a badass military veteran who could take out a dozen guys using strategies and intelligence
*Dies to a girl with a golf club WITHOUT EVEN THROWING A PUNCH. DIDNT EVEN CURSE HER OUT BEFORE GETTING TREATED LIKE AN NPC*
My biggest issue is that Ellie mentioned in the first game to Sam that her biggest fear is being alone and ending up all by herself.
By the end game she is alone because of her uncharacteristically self destructive behavior in which she know she will end up alone with nobody and nothing if she keep going down the path which she decides to do.
yeaaa suuuuure... abby's father was "no nice" and "soo tormented" about removing part of elie's brain that he did not even wanted to wait for Elie to wake up and ask her if she is ok with that.
He did not even runned some test after discovering it's from her brain. He just go: "ok let's kill her! "
i don't buy it
20 years of infections and everything they probably dont care about consent what if she wakes up and says no guess humanity Is screwed then
@@jayplays1710 theres a reason why Doctors need consent from patients when it involves their life as it's the humanitarian way to do things, if the world is so fucked that a doctor can't even do that the world is too far gone that people have forgotten what it means to be human
Thsts a plot hole of the first game, the entirety of the the ending of the first game is so contrived and they're behavior was completely unrealistic only to serve as an excuse for why ellie wouldnt find out sooner the truth, so you're basically saying the story for the first game is bad and this game has to salvage that fact. I'm just saying, it was already bad writing from the first one.
Obviously it's easier for him to operate/kill her if he doesn't even know her.
You can still be level-headed and put humanity first while also being rather tormented about what it is he knows he had to do for the greater good. Understanding he should kill Ellie isn't the same as being OK with killing Ellie.
"The enemy AI is impressive because they use callouts and respond to each other"
Far Cry in 2004: Am I a joke to you?
Love the golf joke at the start of the video
and the countless others
Wii Golf tune made me fall from couch laughing :D
Nice joke
Finally a review that actually DOES appreciate the good parts and EXPLAINS their dislike towards other parts. Thank you!
Joshua Carlos ik, the storyline is enough to justify why people hate the game. No explaining needed.
I've seen a bunch of people explaining why they dislike it. Just... Very passionately.
Which can come off as angry ranting, but, well... I think it's pretty reasonable to be emotional at certain moments.
And not just negatively, I've seen plenty of people take, say, Fat Geralt's introduction, and provide it with little commentary beyond laughing. Or just a loud, enthusiastic "YES!" During Manny's last scene. Explanations aren't given, because it's very understandable for most people.
But also getting pretty angry when Joel "He ain't even Hurt." Miller got replaced by Joel "Y'all acting like you heard of me or something?" Miller off screen.
plenty of reviews did that, you just didn't like them calling the game shit.
@@AB-qc3qethe story is awesome
i literally spit my drink out at the "in the last game ellie says she hates fairies" "makes sense why she stabbed this pixie" part. Great review, would love a video about the Joel killing
Here's how the game should have been done:
Set the game in "The Last of Us Universe" and have it be a brand new story about a brand new character named Abby.
Tell her story with the major beats from this game and include stuff that actually makes the side characters memorable and gives us a reason to care about them. Also develop the factions better because seriously the Seraphites are the most generic Christianity knockoff ever and the Wolves are just another post-apocalyptic group trying to restore civilization. WHY DO I CARE???
Have us grow to care about Abby through her actions.
Make her be an anti-hero with heroic leanings, like Joel.
Have her do bad things to protect Lev and Yara, maybe even earning their brief hatred for how far she goes for them.
Make the final confrontation be worth it and not just a massive fight between two factions we don't have reason to care for.
All the while, we learn that Abby had something tragic happen to her as a kid without specifically saying what it is.
Beat around the bush, but leave clues and have optional dialogue that reveals someone killed her father and she wants revenge.
After the Seraphites are destroyed and the Wolves are fully in charge of Seattle, have Abby's crew set off on a diplomatic mission to other settlements in the West to try to reform some semblance of the United States.
They can visit the remains of LA, Vegas, and other small communities to expand the world a bit and get to other locations since the bulk of the game was set in Seattle. Meet new factions, destroy others, and build upon what the Seattle storyline did for the group that travels with Abby.
The final stop is a rumored city in Jackson County, Wyoming that would be a great trade hub between Seattle and the East Coast.
They go there, have some adventures outside the city, and eventually encounter the massive horde that nearly kills Abby in the real game.
They are nearly killed in an Alamo-esque last stand against multiple Bloaters, Clickers, everything, when Joel, Tommy, AND Ellie make the save and get them out of harm's way.
They retreat to the town, fend off the remains of the horde, and take a few days to settle down.
Joel is introduced to the group, but no one reacts to who he is. They stay calm.
The crew informs them of the existence of a community in Seattle and go about their diplomatic mission to build ties between the two cities.
Abby and Ellie can bond, Dina can be introduced as her girlfriend, and everything is fine.
We could even have the dance scene with Joel defending Ellie from Bigot Sandwich Guy and have that final scene between them be the final time they speak to each other.
At the very least, we should get some closure between them instead of the “Enjoy the time you have together because who knows what happens tomorrow” thing we got that KILLED their dynamic.
Then, in the final chapter of the game, the group waits until it gets dark and approaches his house. Ellie sees them and follows from a distance, with the player now controlling Ellie so we don't have to be the ones to do it.
When she gets inside the house, she sees an absolute bloodbath. Multiple members of the crew are dead or dying, blood everywhere, the works.
When she reaches the bedroom, she sees Abby and Joel engaged in a brutal fight to the death. Ellie cannot save him because she has to fight Lev, who manages to incapacitate her with an arrow to the shoulder or whatever.
Ellie is forced to watch as the person she has been befriending for the past few days brutally murders Joel in front of her because she's younger, faster, and has Lev jump in to help.
Abby nearly kills Ellie, too, but Lev convinces her to stop and go join whoever is left at the gates to make their escape.
Ellie is found and barely clings to life. This sets up the final game AKA Ellie's Hate Quest.
Making it so the player grows to like the Abby character is crucial. We NEED not suspect, or at the very least figure it out and hope, that she won't meet up with Joel and kill him for killing her father.
The big twist that Joel dies should have had meaning. We should have fallen in love with Abby over the course of the game so we would have felt mortified that we unintentionally and without knowing contributed to the death of our former protagonist from the previous game.
ALSO we cannot play as a new character and attempt to harm an original character i.e. Joel or Ellie. Arguably the most universally hated moment in the game (save the ending and Joel’s death) was when we had to try to kill Ellie as Abby.
Why would you build up these fantastic characters that we have loved for YEARS only to have some new idiot that nobody likes run in and be forced to play as them while they try to kill the character you love?
Making it so you have no choice in the matter and are directly responsible as a player for having gotten her to the situation is imperative to the twist ending working.
The third game, Ellie’s Hate Quest, can begin with the flashback to the natural history museum so we can get one last taste of Ellie and Joel together before their story ends and Ellie’s new story begins.
No misleading trailers with Joel seeming to be a major part of the game only to have them just be promotional stuff or have him subbed out with Jesse in the actual story.
No hinting at him being a ghost that Ellie sees through her PSTD-riddled brain.
Joel is gone after that. Nothing else from him. It’s Ellie’s game now.
Any thoughts? I came up with this very shortly after I played the game and from the response I got from a few other people, they seemed to very much like it.
I kinda like it. What's done is done though.
And while I liked the game and disliked certain aspects of it, I'm just glad Ellie is still alive.
overall great idea you have a really good point with the having to like that new character first couldn't agree more.
I like your idea, I made a comment about alternative story for tlou2 eariler too. I will post it here under this post.
All that just so it's easier for you to like Abby. That's the whole point, you have to absolutely hate Abby in the beginning otherwise you would question Ellies journey. Going from absolute hate to at least understanding why she did it to even liking her in the end, that's the journey the player goes through. And some find it harder to forgive her than others, but that's life. You write some good setpieces, but the unique journey of part 2 is lost and it wouldn't be so emotional challenging.
This is how I would change a lot of Last Of Us 2 story even though it’s very much still a similar revenge story to Neil’s actual story. Not giving all of my ideas because it would be waaayyy too long:
Show dance night party in present time as the first scene instead of Ellie and Joel’s guitar scene. The only thing is that I would change is that Ellie do the middle finger to Seth(because that would be in character), not the out of character “I don’t need ............ your help” .
Then, go to Ellie’s oversleep scene and keep that scene the same. When Jesse knocks the door, let them have a full on convo about their patrols, not the dance night kiss talk and “Ellie, how you could steal my girl?” joke bullmess.
When Ellie leaves her house with Jesse,
A few lines about the dance night kiss and leave it as that talk with Jesse. When Seth gives the Ellie a sandwich. Let her give a serious look to Seth and the same pose whatever she does in the actual game, remove awful out of character “no” head shaking and bigot sandwich mess. Let just Ellie completely move on from Seth’s comment so she can get to her patrols. You can keep the almost same winter clicker patrol part with a different outcome and keep most of other Jackson scenes, including snowball fight etc.... Definitely change some of the dialogue.
In Jackson, Joel should have talked to Ellie and went to partols for at least 2 times in present time before his death at some point. Joel shouldn’t have died until maybe about 5~6 hour mark. Not because of Abby’s dad’s death revenge, Naughtydog could have changed the main story as like : At some point in Jackson, Abby finds out Ellie’s immunity and then Abby’s team want to attack her over another cure. Then, Joel goes on patrol to protect Ellie, then he gets killed from that by Abby’s crew. When Ellie is about to revenge and set up her mostly Seattle adventure, definitely keep the scene of her and Tommy in the house. Definitely keep Joel’s grave part with Ellie, Dina, and Maria.
Keep Jesse as Ellie's friend and Dina’s pregnancy. Just don't let Dina get sick at all.
Keep the almost same romance story with Ellie and Dina. Some point, show small flashbacks of Ellie/Dina's past friendship and their past patrols over the years. Keep Dina’s overconfident personality throughout. Also, Dina still gives Ellie lucky braclet, just in a different place.
Keep all of Ellie and Joel’s flashbacks, but don’t show Ellie and Joel’s guitar flashback until middle of the game when it’s a traumatic scene appears. What I would have only change about some of these flashbacks > In the flashback with Joel riding on a horse and Ellie first finding out the truth, she should have responded with a more of a blank sad face, based on her character in part 1. In the flashback with 17 year old Ellie, Joel, and Tommy: Ellie should have responded to Joel’s lie answers with “hmmm...I’m not messing with you.. Joel” type of response, not the completely upset response.
Show Ellie’s part 1 sarcastic side more often and be still very much cold instead of Ellie being so so cold towards everybody 88% of the time.
Cut down “plain” Owen or Mel’s sub story to small doses without being it ridiculously plain/or give Abby's total different set of ex boyfriend who has a sercet evil side that Abby doesn’t know nothing about until much later in the story and give much more screentime to possibly more interesting characters like Issac or Jordan. We can still learn about Abby’s father in smaller doses. Abby’s father Jerry could have been just some soilder or hospital owner instead of this random nurse/surgeon.
Make the Seraphites a bigger part of the story as a bigger group and make them destroy multiple towns. Jesse could have been killed by a huge clicker outside when he does his own separate patrol later in the game instead of an unnecessary stupid horror movie type of gun shot death in the theater. Show Ellie and Dina strongly reacting to Jesse’s death. Play as Ellie for 85% of the game and cut down Abby’s gameplay to 1 and a half day of Seattle instead of full on 3 days. Let Abby’s crew have separate goals in their life instead of Nora, Mel, Manny having this bland chill “Okay, Abby.. let’s do this” type of trait. Change Lev into some trans guy who was part of Seraphites and escaping because he wanted to be his own person, finding his own way, ended up being selfish after scary event instead of some trans guy who had some form connection to his Seraphite mom that didn’t like girls shaving head bald. Change into Abby and Lev were already friends before the game started instead of them just started out being friends in Abby Seattle Day 2.
Near towards the end:
Towards end of the Seattle adventure, Ellie and Abby fight with full on weapons in the woods of tall trees during nighttime and both of them get badly hurt, not the partial fist fight at the theater. Both of them lose or Ellie kills Abby with deep meaning dialogue, not the simple dialogue “pregnancy” and “hh..good”.
then time skip to the Farm with JJ/Dina. Show them dancing together and glimpse of them taking care of JJ in the farm. Once Ellie enters under the farm, keep the panic attack scene. Show that Ellie have serous regrets, *flashback , and Dina have the panic attack talk with Ellie, then Ellie completely forgives Joel and Abby. Now, Tommy’s platonic relationship with Ellie is no longer on good terms by the time timeskip comes. Ellie plays the guitar for Dina and both of them are crying in emotional pain because of overdriven ptsd, Tommy, Abby, and finally understand that all Joel have done. (End right there)
Or
After both of them lose their first fight, glimpses of the farm and them holding JJ and dancing around the whole farmhouse. Tommy still call out Ellie for not getting Abby in a calmer manner, not in such a rude/demanding way like he does in the actual game. Ellie can still say “Nope, I’m not going”. She ends up going to the trip anyway after reading some immunity threat. Santa Barbara, remove the whole Abby and Lev’s gameplay. Turn Santa Barbara Abby and Lev into two scenes. Ellie still searches for Abby and have lots of action paced combat. Keep the exact same rattlers trap part and the exact same Ellie freeing the prisoners part.
Once Ellie finds Abby and Lev, let them fight with all of their weapons in a pool area instead of Abby in that rope and fist fight. Then, you can still get a sad ending with regretful single Ellie automatically co-parenting JJ, *flashback, and then show a guitar from background in Ellie’s new home (End right there) instead of her losing 2 fingers and losing everything that she ever had. Show Lev running away and boat away at some other town.
Both of those possible endings still have Ellie and Joel’s forgiving flashback. Keep that flashback almost the same, but What I would change is how Ellie responds to that dance night kiss question and still be kind of upset about possible virus cure and Joel’s lie, but make her not be as upset so it would be more in character.
If all of my story point ideas were true, the story would have been at least 6.4/10 instead of 5.1/10. You can still get a very sad ending from my way own of storytelling. Now, I know all about the actual ending from Neil’s interviews. I don’t really like the actual ending that Neil made at all. *I also really like your alternative story idea too
I’m sure everyone is aware of this by now, but it’s still hilarious to me. If you go back to the first game and look at the doctor Joel kills, he’s actually black. 😂😂
How is this funny
He's definitely not, a quick Google search will clear that up for u 🤷♀️
U nvr played the game lol shut ur pie hole.
But if u play the game
Joel stumble on this recording saying that “they might not have cure at all”
@@lllaurenceeeee1739 because Abby's dad is white, how did he turn from black to white ?
@@MS-hl4qn He was never black
Hey renn, I've been waiting for this review for about a month and let me say: you did not disappoint. I know that having a review come out some time after a game's release makes it lose some traction. But this review is fantastic, the editing prowess and the opening compilation gives me the idea that this channel is going to blow up.
Please scrap the mom joke though 😳
Not every person that doesn't like the game doesnt get it or is some bigot, racist, or transphob lol..
Honest legit score SPOILERS ::
6 or 7 / 10
At best.. and that's only because the visuals, music, and voice acting were all great.. gameplay was basically same as first game.. story was hit and miss..
Great flashback and guitar scenes.. museum scene was one of the best scenes of either game.. but the whole game should have been more of that.. more Joel and ellie.. that's why people bought the game.. even though we all expected him to die.. just not that early (get to that later).. they bought it for that relationship..
But honestly here's the negative.. I just could not care about Abby and her friends.. we don't know them.. we didn't spend an entire game with them..
Everybody wants to say there is no right or wrong side.. get out of here with that.. I know Ellie.. I spent an entire game with her already.. she's the one I care about.. Ellies side IS the good side.. and everyone against her is a bad guy.. plain and simple.. no backstory or amount of gameplay with the enemy is going to make me like them after they kill a member of my family..
That's crossing the line that you never come back from.. once she took out Joel, any chance for sympathy or care for her or any of her friends went out the window.. at that point it's screw her, her family, her friends, the wlf, her past, her motivations, her reasonings, her surgeon dad, the vaccine, everybody she's ever known lol..
I don't care that he died.. or even really how he died.. I don't like how he died and would have liked to see him go out better, but I get it.. I also get her reasoning.. but I just really don't like where they did it.. If they had done it am near the end or somethin.. after getting to know Abby first and not before.. maybe it would have had a better effect when it actually happened because we would all have already liked her..
The reason people loved the first game, was because even though Joel wasn't necessarily a great guy, he still was realistic in the sense we would all do the same for our daughter..
I'm sorry but this wasn't realistic. In that world, letting Abby go is just stupid.. If it were a real situation in a zombie apocalypse like that, we would all have taken her out.. may be not let her down off the pole just to have a big drag out fight.. but at least left her on the pole...
As Batman said, "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
But no.. Abby gets to ride off into the sunset to live happily ever after as we cry on the ground lol..
I'm sorry but bad writing is bad writing.. every person is hero of their own story, two sides to every coin, revenge is am endless cycle, hate consumes you, learn to forgive.. blah blah blah.. I get it.. it's not that complex of a message.. in fact it's a little overdone.. but just because you understand the message doesn't make it the right story decision..
But if Abby had died at the end, people would love the game 10x more.. would that be predictable to some? Maybe.. but predictable isn't always bad.. sometimes it just means that's where people want to see it go..
Idk.. I just think there were some big swing and misses on this.. like all they care about was making somethin people would talk about.. not making the best and most fun and enjoyable experience..
Seemed like a lot of shock value just for sale of shock value..
But this is just my opinion.. 😊
I agree with your negative review. For me there's too much going on and I would switch sides too often. They shouldn't have done that kind of "abby is a human too" story because it will just make us feel bad after thinking we had done the thing we thought were right
I feel like its weird to say you didn't spend a whole game with Abby, even though the two halves of this game were about as long as the first one, meaning you did spend a whole game with Abby. If you struggle to decide she's amazing and deserves her place next to Ellie and Joel, I would just argue that that was the point. The point isn't to say revenge is bad, its to show you exactly why in real life no one who goes out for revenge ever stops themselves immediately and thinks "wait, revenge is bad, it's a fool's game" you are upset and no matter how much you might end up understanding and dealing with someone, that anger will drive you to want to rush to the end where you kill them. And ending with Ellie not killing Abby isn't because Ellie realizes revenge is bad, it's because that whole journey to California isn't about revenge anymore really, it's about feeling that otherwise everything in Seattle was for nothing, every wolf and every scar, Jesse, Tommy's eye and leg. And sometimes it does take actually getting to your goal to realize, wrong or right, that adding another body won't stop Ellie's skin from hurting thinking about Joel and Seattle, like she talks about in her diary. Revenge is the plot, not the story. You get to take in the performances, the histories, and the dialogue and decide for yourself people's motivations without anyone telling you explicitly, because its a story of events among The Last of Us.
I’m just mad they killed joe and that they didn’t let Ellie kill Abby cause think about it this way abbys dad wouldn’t kill Abby if it was her needing to be on the overrating table he’d kill anyone for her and that’s what Joel did for Ellie he took her and saved her he didn’t wanna lose her and killed everyone who tryed to stop him abbys dad woulda did what Joel did but nope they killed joe and yet I’m 100% positive that their gonna add Abby and lev in the next last of us and maybe they might make Abby and lev the new Joel and Ellie and I already know fans are gonna hate that but don’t get me wrong the actor who plays Abby shouldn’t be getting hate she is just actor and that’s her job
@@brauliogomez9021 i meant you didnt spend an entire game prior to LOU2 woth Abby.. before this sequel ever came out, we spent an entire game with ellie loving her and getting to know her.. so no, spending HALF of 1 game with her, hating her the whole time, isnt spending an entire game with her or the same thing as our connection to ellie..
Shes not amazing.. she doesnt deserve a spot next to Joel or Ellie.. shes nowhere close to either of them as far as being interesting or well loved..
And im sorry but no..like i stated in the original comment, just because you understand what message they are trying to spew, doesnt make it good story telling or the right writing decision.. its on overplayed, and overdone message.. its not all that complex or complicated.. its not that people dont get it.. its that people dont like it.. theres a difference man..
The idea to try to make people sympathize with her AFTER seeing what she did was an awful decision.. they should have let the player get to know her and play her for a good while before doing what she did..
Im sorry if you are able to care for her and like her after that, then you never really cared for joel in the first place..
No amount of gameplay or flashbacks is going to make me go "you know what, remember you bashing Joels skull in?.. its all good.. no worries.. we cool.." even if i understand why she did it, which i do,.. doesnt mean im going to like her just because i get her motivation..
Also no.. im sorry but revenge is absolutely the plot for 99% of the game.. then the final 1% is about letting go and all that cliche crap that is overdone and overplayed..
What made the first game great and joel a great character was evwn though he killed alot of pwople, wasnt a great guy, dis what he did at the end... even with all that, we loved him and the game because we understood him and would do the same for our daughters..
They should have followed that same blueprint and had Ellie kill her.. even though it wouldnt have been nice to see, and would have technically not been the "good person" thing to do, we all would have understood because most would do the same to avenge and get justice for someone bashing our fathers head in right in front of them.. now, maybe not let her off the pole to fight her.. but at the very least have some kind of conversation with her while she on the pole then left her there to die..
Look i didnt give it a 0.. i said 6 or 7.. thats fair.. its not a 0.. it has a lot of good in it.. but it is in no way a 10 masterpiece either.. it has some major flaws in the story.. didnt really improve gameplay.. some bugs.. yeah 6 or 7 is fair..
@@cback3333 lol I didn't say you didn't get it, only that every story is overplayed, but this one tried to do something interesting in actually letting you hate someone for 15 hours and then making you play as them for 15 hours, and for me it worked, because Joel and Ellie never meant that much to me in the first place because I liked the setting and the whole concept more than I liked them.
13:54 0/10 can't shoot the Torah.
you CAN get a lecture about how hard it is to be a member of the richest group of people on the planet though, so don't forget that.
blank face I think this plague was created to get rid of the population growth. It’s all in the numbers.
@@ursoanonimo8398 And the rioting is intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it...
That AI praise would of been really interesting if it wasn't already done by FEAR
In 2005
So what? “Thing was done before” doesn’t make it less impressive or bad
@@KeiFresh I'm inclined to disagree. If someone paints the starry night, you arent gonna day, "WOW, best art ever created, its absolute amazing "
No, youd probably day, "oh, that's pretty neat"
@@KeiFresh When did I say it was bad? Just kinda funnt how a positive is stated like it's groundbreaking when it's quite the opposite.
Fear's AI only worked by having the AI constantly call out what they were doing and having very limited pathing options since the entire game had at most 3 hallways they could use. But there's been dozens of other games like Halo since then. TLOU1 even had a few moments like that during interior fights. Not many, the AI was generally crap.
Abby was not humanized. Ever. If we had her section first it might have been different. But we play as her AFTER she murdered Joel, and when she realizes whatever her name is is pregnant she says GOOD as she's about to slitbher throat.
Oh boy, I've been waiting for this. This should be fun
god of opinions
@@deathindustrialcomplex That's me
@@TheGamezCastViper I thought so
Even if u didn’t like this game remember they made uncharted and tlou 1 plus there details and gameplay is awesome plus Neil Druckmann wrote this game don’t downgrade their whole studio because of one thing
@@marcyjuicytwittes125 I'm not downgrading it for 1 thing tho , im downgrading it for FUCKING multiple things
I guess Joel was the only "open minded guy" about this game.
Fr? a stolen comment? Wow.
I think the worst part about Joel getting minigolf'd (I see what you did there with those clips lol) is that he will ONLY exist throughout flashbacks, now and forever. I loved Joel and I feel like killing him early on is a mistake. If they wanted a real "impact" then they should have saved it for later. Make us fall in love with him again and then swoop the rug from under us. That way instead of a "Oh fuck off" reaction it would have been incredibly dramatic and sad. The way they tried to empathize us with his killer is just a big slap in the face if you really liked his character.
Its honestly insulting with the way they try to pander us into into caring about abs by having her situation be parallel to Ellies. Her design is badass though, not enough muscle ladies running around without having them be complete jerks.
It would have been so much better if all the flashbacks were actually at the beginning of the game, in chronological order, thereby turning the pacing into a series of flash-forwards leading up to his death. That way we could come to know him again & his relationship problems with Ellie, then have the whole context of what was lost when Abby kills him. Also if Abby's flashbacks are parallel to Ellies at the front of the game then we also come to know her more and actually care more about her which creates GOOD kinds of tension as we near the point where she kills him. So just a simple change of pace with those flashbacks could address your issues with it. Kinda funny how simple it is to fix a lot of the story's problems...
& yeah I love swole chicks which makes me kinda mad that they wrote Abby to be so hated by the players. It would have been great if people had ended up liking her instead 💪
It’s called Part 2 for a reason, don’t think anyone needed to fall in Love with Joel again if you ask me (and judging by people’s reaction, lol). And even though I liked the mirror revenge dynamic between Ellie and Abby, I think Abby’s part could’ve been more concise to improve the pacing, without losing that much.
Aaron Cutter yeah, I’m not sure about that.
Druckmann didn't want you to fall in love with Joel again. Or ever.
He's a father. Which means he has to be shown as morally inferior, then die.
Joel? Doomed the world, then teed off. Owen? "Why should what he wants matter?" says the woman carrying his child into battle. And then he cheats on her. And then he's shot.
Jessie? Luckily for him he's off screen enough not to get totally shat on before Abby puts a hole in his head.
Tommy didn't have a child, so he got away with just having his marriage ruined and being crippled.
The only romantic/sexual relationship shown as good in the game was the lesbian one. For a while. But at least they both got to live.
Druckmann has daddy issues.
The story has issues but I'm so glad they didn't just do another Ellie and Joel adventure.
That would've just felt redundant and I'm glad they swung for the fences. Even if it didn't completely work out.
true. but imo it worked out almost perfectly
It would’ve been better if they just ignored Joel and Ellie altogether. Sure, it would feel wrong to not see the two in a tlou 2, but their story was pretty much wrapped up anyway.
This is pretty much my thoughts on the game. Most of what I loved was around cosmetic, gameplay, and performances. Leaving the story falling flat and feeling empty
I feel like the only people that like this game for its story are those who haven't read or seen anything truely moving. It could serve as an introduction to the world of uncertain morality in media, but once you've read The Road(or the OG Hamlet, for that matter), the stuff Naughty Dog puts out just looks...
Weak.
That is why plenty are content with the story. I can certainly believe your explanation.
Calling this a "masterpiece" or even "best game ever", is...uncanny.
I have read fanfictions with more compelling narratives, pacing and overall execution. While several "classics", such as Vagabond, Berserk and many more, just in the manga-section of literature, set a much higher standard. And consistently meet it.
@@rogaldorn4759
Forget Berserk, that's way too deep into the rabbit hole.
Goddamn Naruto had a boy killing his entire family and then sacrificing himself so that his brother gets to live.
@@user-dj8yz7vq8o
I honestly struggle coming up with comparable examples.
I suppose MGR:Revengeance might fit.
But even that game is incredibly self-aware, and has a few sublime narratives that work out well.
@@rogaldorn4759
Spec Ops the Line had a similarly structured narrative, what with all the "murder turns you insane" while putting the player on the rails and giving them a minigun.
But it also had more undertones, and much deeper roots within the world of media than TLoU2
I guess if I had to compare it to something, that would be SAO. Comaparatively weak, but if that's your first "serious" anime - it hits, and probably quite hard.
@@user-dj8yz7vq8o
SAO. Huh.
The Black Swordsman.
The main inspiration for Berserk's Guts, obviously.
/s
Indeed. Linear narratives can be quite impactful. Especially when the individual reading such a story has little to no experience.
Said impact can make you blind to both well- and horribly executed aspects of the story, however.
Far cry 6 is coming out renn, so are you planning to do a video on that? I know your hopes are probably low, but I wanna see what you think of the new game. It doesn't look half bad, honestly.
It's leftist propaganda. Set in Cuba, play a commie leading a rebellion etc
@a p Even so, I think something just feels... right about the new trailer. I kinda like the calm, psychotic nature of the villain, as well as his son, who might provide some sort of amazing twist. It looks like potential for a master piece. But you're right. We don't know much about it.
@a p Fair enough. Keep what I've said in mind though.
There's another Farcry already?
Feels like last week we had one... How do you make a great game when you pump them out so fast?
Answer: You make a mediocre game.
Far Cry is even more worn out than Assassin's Creed.
It feels cool for the first hour or so and then I just don't want to play it anymore.
I liked the game, it was good. But to me, the biggest problem was it was WAY too long. I would have rather the game make you play as Ellie OR Abby.
Like if you want to give us a different perspective with new characters, go all in with it. And if you want to give us a nostalgia fueled revenge tale, go all out with that.
Give me a good, complete story with one of those instead of two alright rushed ones.
And the whole Rattlers chapter and the 2nd Ellie/Abby fight could’ve been cut for me. Just have Abby and Lev find the fireflies and Ellie and Dina live happily ever after.
I agree with your rating of 7/10
I love this review. i personally didnt play tlou2 cuz im too broke to own a ps4 but i watched 2 walkthroughs of it. 1 who loved it and 1 who hated it and this video feels like it puts my thoughts for the game PERFECTLY it honestly feels like i am talking to myself (with much better editing lol) good job man loved the vid
My heart goes out to the programmers, artists and composers who had to deal with druckmann
Credit where credit is due - he was the creative director and sole writer for TLOU1, and he came up with the concept in college. Without him, the franchise and its characters would never exist or be of the quality they were. He took a swing (pun intended) with the second game and not everyone liked it. I respect that a lot more than the tired AAA games that never take any chances.
TLOU2 reminds me so much of the reaction to MGS2 compared to MGS1 and MGS3 - it's very easy to write a long list of flaws (some more legitimate than others) and things that people hated (Raiden, Raiden, Raiden, etc) ... but it's still amazing and people eventually got over it because 3 and 4 gave them everything they wanted anyway.
@@idakev nah man, he had a complete different story
TLOU2 basically trapped in its own ludonarrative dissonance by trying to be all preachy but the whole game forced you to be killing machines & punished you with its own forced conclusion that player have no agency for. It really is a game with the story about right & wrong, by the people who always think they are the right/better one. Games like Dishonored, MGSV, Witcher 3, or even the recent Ghost of Tsushima managed to conveys its player agency so well in a more dynamic ways.
This is even more weird when ND & Sony protected this game like any other Sony games ever. The devs crunch, false DMCA, false ads, false info/discosure on leaks, stealing/miscredits a cover song, low key threatening a reviewers/game journos, paying off Metacritic to manipulate scores, & so many mores. All of this shenanigans got even worse with Neil Druckmann, access media, & some other VAs being passive aggressive trolling with the community. This is so weird & so much more similar with TLJ. I mean no wonder Neil compared himself with Rian Johnson as the one that tried to be as divisive as possible.
You still missed the whole point about the game and you're making up bullshit stories behind the companies.
@@proudbeanerii3810 lol, keep telling yourself that BS with that disappointing pretentious story. Also sure as hell all the things that I mentioned about ND problems are real & very much public, with dozens of news & articles covering it.
@@crozraven By news and articles do you mean the same 7 big youtubers and a bunch of a small youtubers. Even I thought the game was let down but to me it still was enjoyable. You only mention the assumptions that the media created for ND . Yeah they were passive aggressive towards a lot of people shitting on the game but that's pretty much it . Everything else is assumptions and things taken out of context.
@@proudbeanerii3810 No, by I mean "news & articles" are from the likea of Polygon, Kotaku, Vice, & journos guys like Jason Schreier, Paul Tassi, etc, except maybe the actual false DMCA on videos & memes that the access media never reported.
I think it seems yourself totally blindsided by this things. I recommend research on your own courtesies, instead following & only believing certain groups.
@@crozraven You just to contradicted yourself. You just said something ironic that I'm not sure if even you follow your own words. I understand both sides who liked it and the ones that disliked it . This game is good but it has a lot of flaws and problems that I know a lot of people will exaggerate about it . We all exaggerate to make a point about something that we dislike or like . Which is comes to me about your sources . Polygon was just a straight opinion more than a review . It didn't tried to atleast be Profesional while telling why it dislikes it . Its just straight shitting on the game . Vice rarely posts anything positive about any subject . Kotaku atleast gave their honest opinion while being professional about it . The rest is just more opinions instead of reviews . I might edit something in because I want to see more articles .
I feel like people forget a little too much about passion. Of course a couple of things don’t “make sense” from a colder, more distant perspective. But I feel like Ellie was fighting with herself more than anything. When she gets that flashback of Joel before letting Abby go, she just has this change of heart once again. But everything she has been doing since Joel was killed was done out of pure passion. Extreme emotions. When people let their emotions take over them, not everything makes sense.
I can do that to if I make characters act out of character.
ollehkacb ah. Like who? How? We all act out, have breakdowns, change our minds at the last minute. If anything, the one I thought was out of character was Tommy by the end. He didn’t even wanna go to begin with and now he’s supposed to be all into this? But Ellie, in that fkd up world, has nothing left to lose. Given how she abandoned anything she could’ve cared for. Which I think is the point of the story. The consequences of your actions and how her rage made her blind to the point of losing the ability of using Joel’s gift. There’s a reason why the phrase “blinded by rage” exists.
+paupau93 Yes tommy’s whole switcheroo in disposition at the end was big doodoo to me, thank you for mentioning it as I now have a reason to complain about it in a very long comment. The only reason I can come up with as to why they’d do my boy tommy like that is so that they can hammer down through that “emotionally poignant scene” on one of their most blatant narrative themes, that being the destructive cycles of revenge (and he serves as the ultimate inciting incident for Ellie’s second attempt at revenge)
but why would he go out of his way to visit Ellie and Dina’s FarmVille family fairytale and
proceed to guilt, manipulate, coax, Ellie into trying to kill Abby when:
He was the one to advise Ellie not to go in the first place
He went to try and kill Abby only after Ellie would not let her own hard on for revenge go in an effort to help/protect her in the process, and that results in:
Abby crippling him
An extremely strained relationship with his wife
If anything he should have growing animosity towards Ellie as her lust for revenge effectively caused all of the prolonged torment he’s had to and continues to go through. It‘s a believably emotional and understandable reaction that follows what the game goes out of its way to set up in making Tommy opposed to enacting revenge, only to end up giving into the idea all for it to ultimately result in his whole shit getting fucked up.
Are you me?
Sometimes I feel a way but can’t get it out properly. It’s literally like you read my mind and just translated my thoughts in the most beautiful, concise way possible. My only point of disagreement was with regards to the ending. In my opinion, it was unearned. I just couldn’t buy that Ellie would spare Abby. The game gave me no indication, at any point, that Ellie would do such a thing. In fact, it was always giving me indications for the opposite.
What a great review. Props to you. Subscribed
He hit the nail on the head. I was "invested" in Abby because we went through some of the most interesting set pieces and scenarios, to the point where I felt she was the main character. when they didn't give us the option to choose who we sided with when was the game COMPLETELY lost me. felt like I was being streamed along with no choice and that my emotions were being sabotaged.
I couldn't be invested in her.
Because all they did to try and redeem her was... Basic "She was a human too" shit, and then suffering suffering suffering.
Except I knew she was a human. I knew she was friends with her little gang of sadistic terrorists. Bin Laden loved Volleyball and played it with all his terrorist buddies too.
She blew up checkpoints and quarentine zones, potentially increasing the spread of the zombies (Something especially hard for me to be OK with given the whole Beer Bug situation right now...). She also chose to torture Joel for no reason other than sadism.
So when the game goes "Look, she's a person too!" I go "Yes. I don't seek justice against a tidal wave. I do want justice to come to this bitch. BECAUSE she's a sapient human being."
And when the game goes "Look at her suffering!" It does nothing to redeem her in my eyes. If a serial killer gets in a car crash, no judge should give them time off their sentance for it.
@@calemr agreed
I had always wanted to try and talk about this game on my channel, but was shunned from the idea because I felt that no one had the opinion I had. Thanks for this review, it was very well put together and I appreciate that your opinion was in the middle, and you still respected both sides. You sir, have just earned a subscription.
Hating the game feels more like a trend than a point of discussion.
I know there're people who genuinely dislike this game, but I can't help but think some peoples opinions were tainted by the leaks and negativity
You could say the same thing about people liking the game. People follow trends, nothing new.
A game like TLOU2 has been played and viewed by millions. So of course a lot of people will praise it and a lot of people will hate it.
I didn't played the game, just watched two playthrough so I can only comment on the story... And it sucks. It's horribly written. Dunno if I'm following a trend here.
@@-Zakhiel- if you've experienced it and genuinely think it's bad then to me you're not following a trend.
That opinion is yours and yours alone.
What I'm talking about are people who form their opinion about the game but don't experience it for themselves so don't bother reading, watching a playthrough or playing the game.
@@elzar5987 I understand that. My point was that people who praise the game maybe also following a trend. It's not to much of a stretch to think that many people who think that TLOU2 is the "Schindler's list of video games" didn't play it or experienced much of the game at all.
And you also have the problem of people who tend to like something new without really thinking about it. We all do that. I remember when I saw Prometheus for the first time I was like "This is really good !"... Where in reality it's a shitty gorgeous looking movie.
@@-Zakhiel- oh I remember when I thought sword art online was good.
God I was a stupid kid.
I can see your point, it took me over a week thinking about and discussing the game to form my opinion.
The last of us 2 is a difficult one.
I think it's good with elements I didn't like.
Abby's story, the ending, character inconsistencies, how Joel was treated at the very start.
I'm glad I experienced it but I can't say it didn't leave a bitter taste in my mouth
The thing is I don't care about exploring a game that I have no interest in. When you fuck up the story so bad, it's such a turn off that I don't even care to explore the beautiful world they've built. And yes the world and graphics are some of the best I've ever seen
The problems with The Last of us 2, is the fact that it is a big disappointment for those who liked the first game, since the second game has situations that logically do not make any sense, that is, it does not make sense to Abby killing Joel and leaving Elie and Tommy alive ...... it still makes less sense when Abby saves Elie's life the second time after she killed most of her friends ...... too it doesn’t make any sense to Elie at the end, after freeing Abby from the trunk (who was dying), fighting with her, to let her live… great confusion …… the story in logical terms from the perspective of an adult doesn't make any sense .....
I don't agree with that at all, it makes perfect sense as to why all that happens-- Because human's do shit that doesn't make sense sometimes.
They SHOULD of Killed Ellie and Tommy, but they only came for Joel-- They're Humanity came into play and they tried their best to leave them alive knowing they killed the one they were after.
Abby says "We left you alive... And you wasted it" for a reason, because really they should of killed her but chose not to, she's not a monster but not sinking to that level had it's repercussions.
Her growing relationship with Lev, and learning more compassion and redemption made her decide to leave her alive the second time, she had already lost all her friends-- And so had Ellie, they both had 1 person left. She decided to leave it there, For Lev's sake, and for her Humanity.
And that's the Exact same reason Ellie let Abby live in the end, because through all the pain and urge for revenge, this whole time she realistically knew that's not what Joel would of wanted, and really, not what she wanted. The memories, the trauma just haunted her-- But also Saved her AND Abby, with that last flash of Joel and her Actual last conversation on the porch, that humanity in Joel even with him gone, had reached out to her from the back of her mind.
I think people just can't accept this because it's actually imo MORE realistic than how most media would do it. It's messy, and conflicting, and difficult for everyone involved with several interwoven emotions and experiences driving each party.
It's easy to say it's just some plot convenience, and sure to a level I'm sure it is-- But at the same time it's not as though the first game was perfect in that regard either (The FEDRA Agents should of just Shot all of them when they found out Ellie was infected, one was stabbed, and the other Agent just stood there until shot by Tess with a pistol, while they had an Assault rifle, For example), and really I feel like this is less of an actual plot convenience or "Hole" as some keep saying, but more a Logical-- Or realistically, Emotional Conclusion.
It's much less Logical to act like Human's don't have emotions, than to accept that and that we do things that are unreasonable at times.
That's the human experience, and that's how I feel about TLOU II-- It's very Human in a bleak world where even the best good is Evil by our standards, and people are just trying to make it through for their own personal reasons and for their own personal connections.
It's not as unreasonable or ridiculous for the "Adult Perspective" as you make it out to be imo, honestly I feel like people are actually being decently Childish about their approaches to this game, not "Adult" or "Mature". Not that you can't have your qualms with the narrative or game itself, but trying to make so many baised complaints and attempts at poking through holes in the story constantly, when you never even attempted to do so with the first or Many, Many other games and media with the same or worse problems is ridiculous to me.
@Dark Monster What kind of Whataboutism is that? Of course those things are happening, but that's not at all the issue I'm talking about or ANYONE was talking about in this context-- And I'm not weighing them against each other, of course all those things are worse.
That's the same as you saying "Ow I stubbed my toe!" And me going "Oh boohoo, meanwhile kids are getting raped and murdered right now and you're crying about your toe!", It's ridiculous to randomly throw that in there like I drew them as a comparison or something.
And you spheeling a literal Word-Salad of different insults and speculations doesn't really add too much to the conversation either, you could of said some of that in obviously clearer ways instead of trying so hard to insult their practices, it'd be more effective if you just said your issues naturally.
I never even discussed gameplay to any degree in the first place, so obviously you just had that one loaded. I have no idea what you mean by them demanding "Obedience" like they're your new regime, it's literally just a video game-- Play it, like it or don't it's up to you. And the original game had the same kind of societal commentary as this one, though arguably weaker imo. Shouting "Agenda! Agenda!" Doesn't make it automatically true, and even so-- You ALSO have your own obvious motives of displaying and convincing why this game sucks and being against it's ideals, so you have no real place to talk.
And they never called their employees "Bigots", half of what you're saying I have no idea where is even coming from-- Crunch time yeah, sucks. It's a big issue in the Games Industry right now in general if you hadn't noticed. They shouldn't have to be working as hard as they are and I can agree with that, though acting like it's Special to Naughty Dog and not an overarching issue is ridiculous and untrue, and I don't see how Bashing and Degrading that work gives any care or credence to those overworked employees, it just spits in the face of their hard work.
Something that bugs me, and it may be minor to some, but to me it's huge:
The only way they could get the scene they wanted (Without actually being talented, or lowering the shock factor brutality a little so it made sense.) Was to rewrite who Joel is.
Rewatch Joel saying "He ain't even hurt." As he runs down a man begging for help in TLOU1. He's not a fucking idiot. He knows violent gangs are everywhere. His ability to evade traps and ambushes are the only reason he's alive.
Then rewatch Joel saying "Y'all act like you heard of me or something?" As he walks into the middle of a room full of strangers, who were wearing patches that AT BEST he doesn't recognise, hands far from any of his weapons...
That ain't Joel.
@@calemr He's lived in a safe town for 4 years, he has absolutely no reason not to trust them (Especially since he just saved one of theirs) and why would he expect random people out in the woods to be looking for him personally?
In the moments your talking about he actively had reasons to be suspicious, or malicious towards someone-- You're acting as though he was a literal animal that attacked and distanced himself from every literal single human being he comes into content with-- Which isn't the case, considering Sam and Henry he trusted fairly quickly, and it's not like he hid their identities from them (Unless I'm wrong), I actually don't even remember him ever really hiding his identity.
He can be Hostile, and yes he is careful-- But he's not literally always on constant edge, never to say his name or talk to anyone without a gun pointed to their face, Especially not after living in a place where hasn't had to do that for once in 20 odd years.
It's an over exaggeration of Joel's character in my opinion to act as though he had any reason to not act cordial in that moment, or to be overtly suspicious to the point of not talking or saying his name (Which just to remind, Tommy told Abby already-- Joel didn't just spit it out out of nowhere, she already grabbed a shotgun by then.)
@@nullnvoid1999
He spent time in a nice town so he had a radical off screen character change? I don't accept that. Doesn't even make sense in TLOU2: he maintains constant patrols to deal with gangs and zombies. He pressures people to ensure they do it properly.
"He actively had reasons to be suspicious and malicious to"... A dude staggering down the road clutching his side and crying out for help? That's so much more dangerous than 6 well armed people glaring daggers at him...
Henry was not accepted with open arms. (And was a traitor. So probably not going to make Joel more positive to strangers) Sam was a child (And a stupid, bite hiding one at that.).
Your last paragraphs pretend I made an argument I didn't. I never said he shouldn't talk. I never said he shouldn't give his name. I said he shouldn't walk into the middle of a room full of people who apparently knew him from his past (Something he knows full well is full of people who won't exactly like him) and without even going for a weapon.
Are you aware you're setting up a blatant false dichotomy and strawman? Because I am.
He can be plenty friendly with his hand on his gun, leaning against a wall outside the room, watching this group of, most likely, raiders.
But sure, I'll add that Tommy is uncharacteristically stupid, inviting a bunch of armed strangers to the town, too.
Abby's dad in the first game uses a green clothes but in this game he uses a blue one, making the game literally unplayable
I liked the game, but honestly, this did bring it down a notch.
I'll buy it for $15, used. Or wait until it's on PS Now
Best bet or buy it used play it return it
Just rent it that's what I did. Even had to lower the difficulty by the ending just to be done with it. Not because it's hard but how dull and bad the story is.
@Christopher Marlowe that's the point of getting it used though; nothing will go back to their pockets. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first game, and had I not known on the leaks of the sequel, this would have been a day one. I still would have bought the game day 1, IF, they didn't take the story/narrative in the direction they did. I just want to play it out of morbid curiosity, but it's always going to be viewed as Druckmann's fanfiction.
I watched this game’s playthrough on youtube, I feel robbed.
Na don’t buy it if you’ve already set up your mind like that, the real way to play TLOU2 is to play it before the umpteenth youtuber tells you what to think of it :D nowadays people don’t even know what they like
You can’t understand how hard it was to voice my opinion of this game properly. So thank you so much for doing it for me, you did it perfectly.
I think we can admit that with Amy Hennig gone, ND can't write stories anymore.
I heard that Neil is at his best with someone to tug on the leash every now and again. To make sure he doesn't fuck up his work. Now he doesn't have anyone to ask if something is a good or bad idea.
Heck, toriama was the same with Dragon Ball z. Thats why Cell was such a great villain. He had an assistant that always pushed him to do better. I don't think he had that with the Bu saga.
@@joeyginise6051 yep, everyone talented needs a counterpart that holds them back a little, I wonder who Kojima has.
@@afrosheenix He doesn't, which is why his games are divisive and so batshit crazy.
@@planescaped yeah, Bruce was that one guy. He left a few years ago...
He co-wrote this with someone who writes for TV and it shows. You can moralise all you want in TV as it is a non-interactive medium. But as soon as you give the player control you can't realistically moralise on their decisions if they have no choice. There was no choice about killing Abbys dog and ND lied when they said you can avoid killing dogs. We don't need to be told killing people is wrong, we don't need to be guilt tripped about killing pregnant women. The game was cheap in how it set up the killing of the pregnant lady, they had spent the previous cut scenes having characters say "you shouldn't be doing that while pregnant" or "be careful" etc... Everyone was talking about her being pregnant, but as soon at a gun is pointed at them by Ellie they forget to mention that and her body is conveniently covered in a big coat so you can't see the bulge. Low and behold as soon as Ellie kills her the coat is opened and there you have it. Cheap, bad writing.
The ending is the equivalent of John Marston walking away from the firing squad in the end of Red Dead Redemption
How? I actually don’t understand this comparison
More like Jack walking away from Ross
@@Snawke15 yeah
Snawke that’s a better comparison
Solid review dude. Much like the overall theme of TLOU 1 and 2, there is a huge grey area in between the black and white 'good game bad game' attitude that the community has about this game that was not addressed by many. Thanks, keep being a good little boy
Your failure to pick up a red golf ball was amazing. My favorite part of the video. Oh and the opinion/analysis was great too. The editing of this video quite good. Well done you two. Keep up the great work Renn!
Ellie and Dina’s dynamic was that Dina came along with Ellie because they do everything together and you can see Ellie slowly like... her positivity fade away as she became more focused on her revenge streak. You can see Dina get more pissed at her wondering why she doesn’t stop while she’s ahead. especially when she goes to hunt for Nora.
All the hype is what this game is. Literally severed the connection we had to the characters we had in the previous game it's nothing to us. What emotion do you feel when something is taken away from you? that's right anger, this game makes me angry.
Taken from you ? It never was yours to begin with.
When I played the last of us I played it for the story cause I wanted to see the zombie outbreak, how the world changed, how the people live and so on Joel and Ellie where just a the cherry on top.
And I don’t get why the death of Joel gets so much hate. It’s not your game (well it kinda is since you bought it) so naughty dog can decide in which direction it should go. It’s just like a movie or tv show when you’re favorite dies (main or sub hero) it’s not something you want but something the director wants. They had to put Ellie into a trauma so she could toughen up. And well she did.
@@fasanblau8684 I don't get the whole "it's not your game" excuse. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Nobody is walking into Neil Druckmann's sandbox and taking his toys. People had expectations of what the game was gonna deliver. And those expectations were planted into their minds thanks to Naughty Dog's false marketing campaign. So of course people are gonna be upset. What is there not to get exactly?
@@Papadoc1981 No people made yo theories way before the game even released gameplay or teasers . People got mad at Naughty Dog because their Fan fiction didn't come true.
@@proudbeanerii3810 I didn't hear any crazy story ideas prior to the games release besides the theory of Dana getting killed and Ellie going on a revenge tour afterwards. And that was a theory that was a direct result from the marketing.
@@Papadoc1981 How about Abby being trans just because she was buffed ? Or that people played as Joel more than Ellie ? Or how about that Abby killed both Joel and Ellie ? Or that Ellie goes after the Fireflies for killing Joel ? That Ellie goes on the adventure to see if what Joel said about her immune is true ? There's thousands more fan fiction and theories out there . Trust me is more out of people making up assumptions and getting mad that the game didn't turn out how they imagined in their head .
Just found your channel. Your charm and demeanor is refreshing; you look and sound like you're having fun. I love the passion. Keep up the great work
Video came out like 4 m inutes ago and this mans has a 16 hour old comment on it
Poggers, dude. Poggers.
He probably had it scheduled for an upload, or made it public after having uploaded it in private
@@rainbowscarface2496 Oh no I figured, I just thought it was funny is all
@@Gamelover1214 shit I got r/wooshed
He publishes videos early for his patreons
two lines of dialogue that made me stop and comment mid gameplay
Jesse: "what if we cut through this convention center?" how tf do you know what a convention center is isnt it just a big building to you?
Yara (Seraphite): "Oh my god." When would a scar ever say oh my god?
Maybe it's because she(Yara) met Abby's group and listened to them talking. We see that Lev starts swearing after listening to abby
Those lines seem pretty normal to me, the first Jesse and Ellie live with a community of people who were born before the outbreak so it's not hard to imagine them learning about old world stuff, and the 2nd line Yara and Lev start learning a lot of words/phrases from Abby that they don't understand or comprehend so it's not hard to think they just started saying things they got used to from Abby.
they know what a convention center is, or a mall, even if it doesn't exist anymore.
@@spoopy._.cheems nope the lines are stupid youre wrong!
@@GreenHandMovies lol ok, I hope you're joking but I tried my best to explain it you
Welcome everyone to todays exercize in "How many golf-jokes and puns and how many different versions of 'Take On Me' can we cram into 28 and a half minutes of video?". Enjoy!
This is probably the best review I've seen of this game. While I definitely felt more negative toward the game than you did, I will agree that they're definitely are good aspects of the game and it definitely isn't terrible. It also has huge flaws that make me very disappointed.
I understand your point of view, but if the story isn't good in a "movie game", even if the gameplay is great, it shouldn't be rated well. I really can't see it being any higher than a 6 because of the average-at-best story, and if you ask me, even that score is kind of generous.
I love how the zombies still grab at you like a human when you stealth kill them
So, here’s what I’m thinking:
Good game
Bad story,
But
Story game, soooooo...
Roniixx
Depends what the player is looking for.
@Roniixx In games like this. Story is the #1 thing. Pacing is the the #2 thing. Both of which are horrible in this game.
7:12 You know what else is exhilarating? This reload time!
Short answer: yes. Long answer: HELL YES!
Also: "The sunset is beautiful enough to turn straight men gay."
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WHAT!?
It's TRUE, I was nearly converted!
I came in unblind yet your points are almost exactly how I felt about the game. The overtransparent plot points like abbys dad being perfect. Re-doing all the slow upgrades cause we have two main protagonists, and so much more. Awesome review!
Honestly, I think the problem is Niel’s ego. If anyone needs to go, it’s Druckmann. Ah shit, now I’m transphobic and gonna get cancelled.
Haha fr fr
Lol, true to an extent. However, I believe Neil made some calls as director that contributed to the first game doing so well. I just wish people would put aside the anger and ad hominem insults.
Austin Burke I agree that people should leave the vitriol at the door - but when Druckmann makes animators make memes dunking on “haters” it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He and Troy Baker are far to ready too dispose of all criticism as being irrationally angry about “muh Joel” or something. And I’m saying this as somebody who largely enjoyed TLOU2
@@Rapscallion227 You're right, I think there's issues with both sides. A little rationality like this goes a long way. Your reasonability made my day.
I think there is a moral to the story which is summed up in this beautiful quote I found on the internet: "Never bring a gun to a game of golf".
I bet you were pissed when Ghost of Tsushima came out, right after you finished editing.
Hey what do you think about ellie killing dozens of people even a pregnant one and then just forgiving abby?
Abby spared Ellie, pregnant Dina and Tommy
That title lmao.
But yeah, I'd give the game a 6/10 and judging by your final thoughts, its guaranteed you'd drop your score on a second playthrough, this game spreads itself so thin its easy to poke holes through the paper thin story.
@Luke Perret good for you Luke.
@@jmb9040 lol wholesome.
Lmao imagine if someone made a video about your channel saying it should be put down, even if it’s just a clickbait, speaks volumes about how influencers nowadays have to behave to make views
i wish them good luck on selling their next product. They will need it.
Facts imagine a sequel....oof
Uncharted The Unwanted Story
I appreciate your fair review of the game. I myself adored the game, but I recognize that i'm just a dumb teen that doesn't necessarily take everything critically when playing, I mainly see people hating the game without elaboration which really annoys me but you were very fair and had reasonable points. I thought seeing the people you killed alive made it better since it was a realization that these people WERE people, similarly to how Abby is a person under her Joel killing antagonist veil. I also liked the mirrored beats and the two sides of the same coin thing but again, that's just me. i also wonder if layering days Ellie's day 1, Abby's day one ' Ellie's day two, and so on could have helped fix some of the problems with the game. Specifically the loss of progress in upgrades and the stretch between the first time you see the climax and the end.
FINALLY SOMEONE I CARE ABOUT IS GOONG TO REVIEW THE CLASSIC THAT IS CATS!!!
First of all, even if I accept the poorly written revenge story, the body of abby is no doubt UNREALISTIC. Hands down, many female body builders don't look like that.
The Sims 1 Soundtrack. Love it
r.i.p prank video. we hardly knew yee. why the delete, it was good stuff!
Naughty Dog wasted what they could have done with Part 2. An obvious story, and Abby was completely uncompelling (that's where I am on the game empathy scale - I expect something interesting for my money and time). Naughty Dog cannot do this again with their AAA titles, and they know it. So they'll go back to safe fun compelling characters and an adventurous story for their next game. I'm just angry they did this with Last of Us Part 2 instead of giving fans something worthwhile. The graphics were great, the mechanics passable, the story was utter crap, and characters that fans came back for were deconstructed right in their faces.
For what ever reason the thumbnail for this video made me assume that this would be another example of what has felt like a mostly toxic discussion surrounding this game. Instead this video was a breath of fresh air.
Finally, someone who doesn't just give negatively talk ,without a second glance, about the game.
Some constructive criticism is what would prevent Naughty Dog from doing something like this again.
there was a lot of constructive criticism mostly about that the story does not meet several principles of a decent story.
But what was the narrative of ND? it was putting all the people who said anything negative to one bucket with label haters - and telling these people to F off.
With such nice narrative that *anyone* who criticize the game is a hater it just back fired.
ND forfeited the right to have constructive criticism when they kicked out Amy Hennig and thought letting Neil have multiple self-inserts in the game was a good idea.
All that is left is to deconstruct what made The Last of Us 2 so objectively bad, because they went past the realm of accepting input a long time ago.
“The gurgles they make on their way to heaven...” ??? Even if you’re religious I genuinely don’t think you can find a single person in this game who is going anywhere near heaven.
just pray before you die apparently it works
Great review, and I have to say that you have a really pleasing to listen to voice.
Abby and Ellie meet. At last, the climactic final confrontation, the ultimate clash between conflicting ways of life and the greatest culmination of themes of the game shall be explored:
Abby: "..."
Ellie: "Motherfucker!"
Abby: "..."
Ellie: "Motherfucker!"
Abby: "..."
Ellie: "Motherfucker!"
Me: "The writing is kinda garbo at this point of the story, did they rush through this or something?"
IGN: "The writing had me on the edge of my seat!"
Me: "Motherfucker!"
You articulated a lot of the same gripes I had with this game really well. I’d like to hear what you have it say about Joel’s death
Great review.
The "trolley problem" keeps creeping up as i played the game in regards to what Joel did, the story of revenge and placing yourself in the other person's shoes
When an animal is sick and there's no helping them, it's considered cruelty to let them keep living. I think if we had the ability to pull the plug on Naughty Dog, we should.
Why would naughty dog be sick?
@@geicogecko2048 Oh uh, let's see. The workplace abuses, the failure in story-telling, the deceptive marketing campaign, the lies told from the devs saying that Ellie was the only playable character. I could go on.
My pitch for a revised ending...
Post credits, we cut to Abbey and they boy arriving at the Fireflies camp. A firefly drops whatever they're carrying and stares with horror at the boy.
Abbey looks down at the boy...and sees he has a bite mark on his shoulder.
He is also immune! Meaning she will have to make the same sort of choice Joel did. Meaning she will suddenly empathise with Joel and the story arc of 1 and 2 will converge.
Meaning Abbey's storyline is resolved, rather than left hanging after having had to play as her for 20 hours!
I don't have a problem with the story,I just hate the pacing of the diffrent sections and I think had it been paced better it would have been much better.
Personally it's a 6/10 for me.
When you love the first game as much as I do, played it through as many times as I did; when it is hyped and sold as the game the fans want - my expectations are, naturally, going to be very high. The game heavily leans on telling an emotionally complex story - which is what fans were craving.
What was sold to us was a stinking mess of terribly story telling and writing. And that's why I'm still upset about this and why I would give it a 0 out of 10. I feel incredibly cheated.
@JamesHLanier sry I did not. Last of us the original game was excellent, had a great story and great writing and pacing. This one missed the margine by a good mile for me. :/