The Algo Centre Mall Collapse | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- "On the 23rd of June, 2012, in the city of Elliot Lake in Ontario, Canada, a segment of the rooftop parking deck at the Algo Centre Mall collapsed..."
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro
00:43 - About the Algo Centre Mall
02:09 - The Roof Collapse
04:30 - The Aftermath
07:18 - Elliot Lake Today
09:15 - About This Collaboration
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As a deaf person who needs subtitles, im not sure if the subtitles are made by the creator of the video or RUclips itself, but most channels takes days if not weeks to have subtitles in the video. You are one of the very few that actually has subtitles readily available. I appreciate you more than you know. Keep it up!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I believe the subtitles are added by RUclips. When I put up a video, sometimes it can take days to see the subtitles....and most of my videos are very short.
@@AMadScientist Subtitles by RUclips usually have punctuation and capitalization errors. The subtitles here are neat so I believe it's been done by someone.
@@shannentan1595 I'm not sure because if they were added by the content creator, you probably wouldn't need to "turn on subtitles" to see them as you do in these videos. If the creator added them, I believe they would be there even if subtitles were turned off.
I think there may be a way to upload your own subtitles that work with the "button". I'm going to research
@@shannentan1595 Edit: Just found that once RUclips adds your subtitles, you can go in and make any changes or corrections! Very easy. So it's probably easiest to let RUclips do it, then go back and correct errors!
He’s probably smart enough to send them to a captioning company before uploading them. I’m not deaf but I have always read the captions for some reason and have done captioning work before so I also appreciate them ☺️
You have to ask yourself, how many public locations like shopping malls, theatres and residential buildings are just ticking time bombs? It's absurd how many incidents this channel alone has covered.
More than one
So many unassuming places.
He did cover many malls and such that collapsed over the years and it might seem alot, but it's still a really low number compared to how many malls and such exist. What's more crazy to me is that the law system did nothing to stop these.
That bridge in Italy is another example. Infrastructure in general falls into that category regularly.
We need them for these videos.
"A search-and-rescue team was on site within hours of the collapse,"
Hours? FUCK!
Hi, Elliot Laker here. It's worth noting that Elliot Lake is 2 hours away (170 km) from any City with a decent population. Elliot Lake is also located basically on top of a mountain, and the roads to get up there can be quite narrow for any large equipment vehicle trying to get there.
@@robertanderson5661, @joe nuts inexcusable
@@SuperMixedd how do you expect large rescue vehicles to get there faster then
@@TrinalHydra that's not my problem; I'm paying taxes, right? That's the gov't's headache to provide these services
@@SuperMixedd Ah, yes, because the government can *TOTALLY* break the laws of physics because you pay taxes....
Thinking of the building collapse in Florida that is currently active. There's so many unaccounted for. I feel like it will be on this channel one day. Especially because people are blaming the building structure. Like clockwork.
Somewhere in these comments was an American crowing about how these disasters don’t happen in the US.
And just like this collapse, it was a preventable tragedy. But all the building owners cared about was money, making repairs to the structure was just too expensive.
@@JCBro-yg8vd Sounds like most problems in our society. People die and suffer, and they could be saved, but some people want to have more money and giving it away entails having a little less money.
All I'll say as a concrete man, is that with structural concrete, any mistake is one mistake too many.
Steel rebar is what grants the strength and structure to constructs such as bridges and parking garages. Because this is steel we are discussing, it oxidizes, or "rusts" when exposed to oxygen and moisture. This process swells the steel. Which often will pop sections of concrete off the bottom of bridges. The repairs for this must be done carefully and correctly or else things can and will become much worse. In the event of using structural concrete as an architectural core of a construct, sealing the concrete against moisture is highly recommended as concrete is decidedly permeable. There should have been a plasticized barrier above the structural rebar and the parking surface in order to prevent de-icing salt and water from robbing the building if it's structural strength.
@@JCBro-yg8vd, and in the end they lost a lot more because now the building is gone along with all the revenue from the stores, offices and facilities that occupied it. Yes, they saved money by being cheap and greedy but in the end, they lost far more. Of course, the insurance made the loss a lot easier on them, I'm sure. I would hope the insurance company refused to pay anything due to provable negligence in properly maintaining the building.
"plans to implement a waterproof layer fell through"
Ironic.
and the woman who was buying a lotto ticket because she was feeling lucky...
She and the clerk were the only two people killed.
@@rawnukles - 😬💸 DAMN.
When the roof and parking lot are sharing the same job ,waterproofing makes sense for a roof.
Roof : that wont be the only thing falling through
Why is that ironic?
How is it possible that there are all these horrific disasters that I have never heard of? I keep expecting him to run out...
Human stupidity, that's how they're possible. So there's basically an infinite supply.
And he hasn't even really uncovered the unsolved ones or did the over hyped ones *=(except Elisa Lam but treated her case with such dignity that I subscribed instantly). Imagine if he went into the missing persons or some of the murders
He's already made videos of the deadly July 2021 Tokyo Olympics Catastrophe and the December 2021 Christmas Nuclear Disaster. We just have to wait!
Run out?..NEVER!
Costs have to be kept down, everything has to be done as cheaply as possible, that's capitalism.
The engineer "believed" that all the evident deficiencies had been rectified. If he was the inspector signing off, it was his job to know beyond question that they had been corrected. It's akin to an auditor signing off on financial statements without requiring reliable proof of their validity.
That auditor now works for trump. Counting ballots....
@@joeds3775 your most popular president in history can’t make a single coherent sentence and has massive dislike ratios with next to no views. Try again.
@@Val.Kyrie. Troll.
@@Val.Kyrie. Amazing rebuttal. Must have racked up your brain "thinking that one up".
@@Val.Kyrie., Let's Go Brandon!
Wow, as an Ontarian, I never expected to see you cover a story from our neck of the woods. I'm honestly surprised I'd never heard of this collapse. In the city I live in (Sarnia, ON), back in 2000, we had our own mall roof collapse, but it wasn't due to negligence, but to a huge amount of snow that had fallen (something like 3 feet plus, if I remember, it was over 20 years ago now). Thankfully, the mall was not open for business at the time, but sadly a store worker died. But if it happened during regular business hours (and it was during Christmas season), it could have been so much worse.
Station Mall in Sault Ste Marie also had a snow load collapse in 1995. It was ironically built in the early 1970s with the same architect and structural engineer as the Algo Mall.
Born in Elliot lake, mall was a special part of my childhood.
Double Dragon at the arcade and pizza at the food court with grandma..
Imagine just being under tons of metal and concrete for two whole days.... That's so fucking terrifying. Poor women...
Try being that woman who was trapped under Sampoong for -- what was it, thirteen days? -- staying alive on rainwater that trickled through the wreckage (picking up God only knows what kind of contamination along the way). It is absolutely stunning what some people can survive.
@@Tindometari dude are you trying to one up two people’s tragic and death causing incidents 😭 circumstance does a drastic job of allowing people to survive or not
@@robbieboydudeguy Easy, easy. I'm just marvelling at what people can survive. Astonishing to be buried in concrete rubble and live even for hours. I'm a pretty good survivor -- but I doubt I'd make it through that.
@@Tindometari Great reply my dude. Refreshing to see someone explain themselves in a polite and concise manner.
@@Tindometari this was before I saw that incident. 14 days under rubble... My god.
The mall top parking lot looked unsettling before the collapse, can’t imagine parking up there. Those poor ladies.
Its pretty much common practise in EU to have parking lots above malls. But def is now way scarier thought after watching it collapse than before. Poor ladies thou.....
"It's quiet, too quiet"
The mall was at the bottom of a hill so the parking lot was level with the top of the hill where much of the town sits.
I am European snd never saw such a roof parking. Now way I would have gone in there. I am even afraid waiting on the bus under a railway bridge. Always when I saw the train standing on it, I refused to go under it, though never has been anything bad with those bridges here except from Wartime.
I have seen (and used) the parking on the roof several times in the Netherlands and Germany. Seen more crazier things in terms of using roofs.
What's really terrifying is how recent a lot of these events are. I guess I was really naive in thinking that these kind of safety failures are things of the past. :(
Western society needs more transport and storage of ammonium nitrate. Disasters happening for ammonium nitrate reasons have been few and far between since the big one of '47.... Nanny state governments in the West got too tough with the rules. 🤬
I grew up going to this mall often as a child. I have vivid childhood memories walking down the area where the rooftop collapsed. Often my family and I would even try to get our parents to park on the rooftop because it was more fun. Looking back it's absolutely horrifying how unstable this building was. Large towns and cities are very sparse in the area between two or three hours away which no doubt added to the problem of rescuing the victims. Those rescuers did their best with what they had. It's just a shame that it took the lives of two people for the government to open their eyes to both infrastructure neglect and lack of funding for emergency services.
I have the same memories, I was actually in the building DAYS before it collapsed for my grade graduation party. It was horrifying!
Lord that mall looks like something I'd build in Sims 3 when I was 8. I wasn't a good architect.
80s architecture is pretty special
It was a marvel back then for Elliot lakes time, it was basically a city during the uranium mines
Elliot lake isn’t some big city, not really surprising considering where it’s built.
I mean if it was just built correctly And never collapsed don’t think anything would have been wrong with it
@@jessicare5331 Well, then, combining these two comments, this mall looks like something I'd build in Sim-CITY back IN the 80's!...And *that* simulation was similarly for amateur designers and *for amusement ONLY!* :-O
The biggest contributing factor to these kinds of disasters is that they meet the "minimum legal requirement" rather than looking at the worst case scenario when at the design stage.
And not realizing that the minimum legal requirement is a minimum for all structures that takes no account whatsoever of what demands a particular site and project may impose above and beyond that. An engineer must design to the actual needs of the project, not merely check all the regulatory boxes and call it good.
Kevin, and Arkadia as well, the problem is that your "engineers must design to the actual needs of the project" ideology is that such designs cost lots of money, money that the people funding the project don't want to spend.
@@onijester56 Which is stupid. It's what my grandfather called 'Irish thrift': Save $1000 building the house, and then spend $10,000 correcting what saved you $1000 (or spend everything when the roof falls in on your head). There's an English saying: 'I'm not rich enough to buy cheap goods.' It's nearly always cheaper in the long run to spend the money up-front and do the job right.
If you think safety is too expensive ... wait till you see what the accident will cost you.
@@Tindometari You try telling that to The Suits, and they look at you like you have three heads. ...I mean, yeah I do have three heads, and two of them aren't mine, but that's beside the point.
@@onijester56 And at what point is it an engineer's duty to refuse to endorse such decisons?
An engineer is a professional, exactly like a physician or a lawyer. None of the three is a mere employee, paid to follow orders or be fired. Would you expect a physician to tell the patient whatever the patient wants to hear and obediently write out scripts for whatever pharmaceuticals the patient wants? That's not what a physician is for, and it's not ethical practice, and a physician who goes that route will end in disgrace, no longer allowed to practice in the profession.
Engineers are not lesser professionals than that. The client is a client, not a boss.
I remember this! I live not too far from Elliot Lake, and I have tons of friends there. The collapse was an absolute disaster :(
Being in rural Northern Ontario, there isn’t as many rescue resources. Most specialized equipment has to be sent from either Toronto or another city that has it; hence why it took so long to get the arm.
I've walked through that mall when I was in Elliot lake, it was a disaster. There were buckets everywhere and tarps catching leaking water. It was insane that it was allowed to operate in that state of disrepair.
I remember during rescue efforts, the community was appalled that rescue crews were abandoning the search due to instability. Ontario mine rescue said if the urban SAR team wouldn't go in, they would. It forced their hand.
It's tough asking someone that never even heard of you or your city to risk his life in something that is obviously collapsing for a very little chance of finding someone alive.
@@liviuganea4108 then don't join a search and rescue team
@@liviuganea4108 Imagine a firefighter with this mindset. Absolutely idiotic collection of words
@@dungeonsanddragonsanddrive2902 Did you ask mommy to write that for you, since your brain is so smooth tanks slide on it?
cant wait for you to narrate my untimely death at the hands of some completely foreseeable disaster
LOL
I was at Six Flags Great Escape this weekend, and several times thought "is today the day I'm going to be on a Fascinating Horror video?"
@@bethd.6670 were you narrating each ride in your head in his voice?
@@bethd.6670 just sneak past the “ don’t go here signs “ and under the coasters .. you’ll be on here in 15 years .. good luck 👍
Discovered this channel during the pandemic and I haven't really been in a situation like this since but I could 1000% see me being on a roller coaster or something and having his unmistakable music just on a loop in my head
Obviously a bad situation for a number of reasons, but amazing that there were only 2 deaths - especially considering they weren't killed immediately. Those poor families, knowing their loved one was still alive in there for so long and then taken at the last moment
It's just sheer dumb luck that it collapsed around 6pm on a Saturday (just looked it up). Based on the security video footage, it looks like most of the stores had already closed. So the mall would have been nearly empty. If this had been just a few hours earlier, the death toll would have been much higher.
@@ChristieAdamsKangoo It was 2pm on a Saturday, what most likely saved a bunch of people was the fact that most malls were dead or dying in North America by the early 2010's.
@@ChristieAdamsKangoo This mall is in a remote town whose main industries closed decades ago. It been "nearly empty" of shoppers and stores for YEARS.
@@haweater1555 yes. Elliot Lake isn't a city, it's a small remote town that is filled with a lot of retired people and those who work away from the town. The mall was pretty quiet on most days.
Search and Rescue Teams: Thank you so, so much for all of the work you do. I've always known the job is incredibly important and difficult, but this channel has given me a profound respect for the people that do this. Thank you.
Moments where a person dies after seeming to be SO CLOSE to rescue are especially heartbreaking. Having almost reached her and learning she was alive, the moment that escalator pushed them back must have been devastating. Being limited by time, their equipment, and a million factors they have no control over and still fighting with everything they have for hours and hours on end. I hope they don't feel their work was in vain when someone can't be saved. There are so many things that are impossible to change, but knowing there are people out there that will fight with their all EVERY time is incredible. The thought that, even if I were being crushed by a an entire building, a person would give me that kind of care, time and effort is honestly making me tear up a bit. You're amazing. Thank you.
Imagine my surprise, while on a bed ridden binge watch of your channel I find a video of my town. I was there when it happened. Done wonderfully and mostly accurate. My father is in one of the photos you put up. Rip ladies!
Oh, a "fun" fact, they built us a new "mall" it's just a grocery store, dollarama and new library so hardly even a strip mall, and would you believe that it's suffering the same leaky roofs and closures of sections. We also just had our Civic centre and Uranium museum ceiling collapse last winter due to heavy snowfall and lack up upkeep, luckily it happened while it was closed. They bulldozed the entire building. Everytime I enter a building whether a home or business, I feel I'm walking on eggs shells.
No wonder why I'm not sleepy yet! I haven't watched my weekly anti-bedtime bedtime story.
So true! I binge watch RUclips before bed and finish up with one of his videos. I listen to his story telling and voice and I'm ready for sleep! Love this channel!
Lol
A friend’s mother, Dolores Perizzolo, died in the Algo Centre collapse. My belated condolences to Cindy Allan, her daughter.
How terrible!
Awh :(
Was she buying lottery ticket
@@TheOneRealDJ Yes, she was.
@@markojameow it seems as if it was her unlucky day !
I’ve lived in Ontario my entire life and I’d never heard of this. I can’t imagine the horror of spending the last moments of your life trapped like that…. Love your videos. ❤️
My home town, our family still live there we still go a few times a year. I grew up going to this mall all the time. Watching if unfold on tv was surreal, heart breaking and so preventable. We used to joke about it happening one day never thought it would. My mom walked out of the mall as it collapsed. She worked at the library they had to cover the book shelves every single day in winter and any time there was a chance of rain. Our poor community is still suffering as they cannot get any stores to come to town and their new plaza roof leaks already too. It is so sad :( Elliot Lake is a beautiful community and always will be home! We will be there in a month!
Someone said there's a lot of drugs and crime now
Sad to see people getting hurt from the mall's negligence when it could have been prevented. It's was practically begging for an accident to happen from the start. 😔
If you thought that was bad, you should see what happened in Korea in 1995. Look up "Sampoong Department Store collapse".
The slow rescue I feel was part of at least one of the deaths.
Yes, the roof collapse was in part due to lack of maintenance and lack of competent inspection. However if buildings codes prohibited such designs, such catastrophes wouldn't happen. Ultimate responsibility lies with governments catering to developers by not mandating needed precautions, and citizens accepting this.
Vajont Dam, Italy.
@@dk50b I don't really think citizens accept this, but they just don't know any better.
Almost a headline: “Ontario government to change ‘Search and Rescue’ department to ‘Search and Recovery’, due to funding cuts…”
Wasn't even a slash and burn conservative government, but a so-called Liberal government in power then.
It would be funny if it weren't so true. Not just Ontario though - we have much the same problems in many places in the US. Politicians don't want to spend money on boring stuff like public health and infrastructure - you don't get to have a big, fun groundbreaking ceremony with ribbon and giant scissors and a photo op when you fix a deteriorating bridge, so no one wants to do it. :(
Brace yourself for most services to operate this way. They were trending in that direction pre-2020 and now combined factors have pushed us even further downhill.
"They weren't good at rescuing so we cut their funding" lol makes sense
Sadly the failure at this building is similar to the recent collapse in Florida.
Reminds me of the hotel collapse in South Korea that killed nearly 500.
You mean the Sampoong Mall?
Beat me to it: I read "Mall Collapse", and Sampoong was the first thing that came to mind.
He already covered this
@@watchucme1 I don't believe Fascinating Horror has covered the Sampoong Department Store collapse, but I'd really love to have him cover it! So many fascinating stories, including the girl that survived for 16 days buried under the rubble.
@@dougcook5167 Brick Immortar has covered the Sampoong Department Store Collapse on his channel. I can't link to it but it's not hard to find.
The worst mall collapse is the Sampoong Mall Collapse in Seoul, South Korea in 1995 in which over 500 people died when the entire mall collapsed to the ground.
He has a video about this one, very tragic
Are you really trying to 1 up a mall collapse 💀
That one is perhaps the most infuriating engineering failure that I know of. The owners had a great deal of warning that a collapse was imminent, but refused to evacuate the building because they didn't want to lose the day's sales.
@@stormbornapostle5188 And now all of those people can't go home :( Like fuck the money. Where's their compassion? Why don't they value other people's lives as much as they value money? It pisses me off.
@@roswellnewmex He doesn’t have a video about it actually, but Brick Immortar does.
I wonder if some of these issues were also the cause of the condo collapse in FL the other day. It's scary to think that people cutting corners or making mistakes years ago can cause such pain and heartache today.
I was commenting the same thing! They still have to do more investigating, but from what little we know it's starting to look like water damage.
Turns out you were right, The pool leaked and corroded the building
Makes me glad my city removed an old parking structure downtown a few years back. As it spanned the river (it was built in the 60s before people realized the tourism and recreation potential of the river), humidity was an ongoing issue, and a video taken weeks before demolition showed the concrete badly spalled in many places and visibly rusted steel just behind. Although the short term loss of parking was an issue, it was more than offset by the peace of mind gained and opening up that space along the river downtown.
A lot of times when watching these, I subconsciously go "oh, this incident is from X amount of years ago" and it kind of detaches me in a way and my mind goes to just the how and why behind the incident. But seeing this from within the last decade kind of drove home the human side of this one for me.
Same
That's how it was for me about the Station fire. I've never been more emotionally impacted by a disaster case until I saw Fascinating Horror's coverage of it. When I realized it had been in 2003, I was just stunned because I had been convinced that it was in the 80s at the earliest. It was a real wake up call.
💔😥
So sad and so avoidable
I'll never understand people that can't empathize with those from the past. The human experience and set of perceptions never changes.
I'm Canadian and vividly remember this story as it unfolded. That's kind of a strange feeling too, having it so familiar and relatively "local".
It's funny how our brains work, isn't it? We're so easily able to detach when there is some form of barrier - be it distance, or time, or both. It's not that it's less important, just less of an imminent thing that our series of electrical impulses needs to be on alert for and protect us from.
Could you imagine being the person that drove over that portion right before the collapse?
What about the people parked on either side and came back to a gaping hole...? Lol
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I wonder how long it took them to get their cars back, or if they were able to get money from their car insurance company for them if not. "So, you know that mall that just collapsed? Yeah, my car is 20 feet from the hole, the ramp off the mall parking deck is structurally unsound, and they are refusing to bring a crane in to get my that way, as the whole building is at risk of collapse. Does that mean my car is totalled?"
I live in Elliot Lake and only had left the mall 20 minutes or so before it collapsed. I'm sure most people didn't get anything back from the rubble. It was horrible especially since there was an office of a local funeral director in there and he had numerous urns that contained ashes in his office. I'm not sure if there was special consideration for him to recover the urns, but I think the contents of the stores and the vehicles on the roof were all written off.
Is everybody missing the point or the point I thought about? The person that drove over the area was the person that caused it to fall WHEN it did. He/she killed the ladies.
@@robjohnson8861 it was the people who made the buildings decision to make the roof a parking lot it’s their fault they didn’t think it through it wasn’t that specific persons fault it was the designers fault for not thinking it though and the owners for neglecting the building and you heard that it was corroded from road grit and salt so you can’t blame that persons fault if everyone used that building from parking and stuff
It seems even more crazy watching this after the terrible tragedy here in Surfside, Florida last week 😔
Got a story for you to cover - the collapse of a hall of Katowice International Fair in Poland, 2006. It was one of the biggest tragedies of this sort in our country and yet people abroad do not know about it, even though 10 of the nearly 70 deceased where from abroad. It's a really sad and scary story that only took place because of many, many disregards of the basic construction laws and restrictions.
You'd think given how much they spent fixing small leaks over the year they'd have just put in the darn waterproof membrane even if it wasn't required by law and they didn't see this disaster coming. That's the definition of penny smart, pound dumb.
Yup. But they don't care. $ now ignore all else.
The time to install it was at construction. The cost to put it in after the building was complete was probably waaay higher.
@@svancina You are correct. The membrane, to be effective, would have to be installed before the concrete was poured on top of the steel I beams, that way the water proof membrane would prevent the salt and water from attacking those steel beams.
I think ultimately having the car park on the roof was the dumb idea...
No car park, no ice. No ice, no salt. No salt, no rapid corrosion.
Without the salt, water alone would have seen the mall long demolished before it rotted through.
@@ssss-df5qz I live in a place where salt's regularly used on roads in winter. Salt is VERY damaging; everyone here knows not to leave salt/slush/etc. on their cars. I can only imagine it's used much more in Canada. And did they plow up there? I shudder to think of the salt corrosion, potholes, and other damage caused by serious winter weather.
"Welcome to another episode of forgotten accidents..."
Only forgotten internationally. I live in northern Ontario Canada, this is just part of history. None of us can know of every disaster in ever part if every country.
That being said, many towns around Eliot Lake, have these same issues. ( leaks/ mold ) that is. Most do not have parking on roofs. Many of these malls were built in similar conditions. With nepotism and corruption being the biggest issue.
Nope, not forgotten, I am doing an engineering degree in ontario and this showed up in a case study in an engineering ethics course
Forgotten by who? Not by anyone in Ontario. I’m not even from northern Ontario and I know all about this.
@@lignesceil as I said international, it stands to reason most will not know of this.
Not forgotten here. I live close by and everyone remembers this incident.
Reminds me of what just happened to the apartment complex in Florida! Poor people🙏
New to this channel. Love it. You should look into the sunvalley mall plane crash. I work with a guy who was a security guard there when it happened in 1985. According to him, a plane was trying to land on a foggy day, and it mistook the lights on the mall for the runway lights. Not sure how many people died. But the pilot and three passengers died. My coworker told me today about it and how he saw the pilot burn alive. Also about finding one of the bodies under one of the plane engines.
I went to an amusement park yesterday and couldn’t even enjoy it without being like “on the 14th of June, 2021, in New York, a nice little family had anything but a nice little day because of one person’s very tiny whoops”. I’m ruined. 😂
I think you'll be okay just as long as you don't start hearing the theme music mysteriously playing. If you do... run!
I'm going to an amusement park today, I'll continue the trend. Salute
Watch the movie "rollercoaster" - you'll thank me later
@@falling_acorn I looked for the exits in every building I went into. Have fun!
@@katiesays here at kings island 6 days after the 30 year anniversary of black sunday! fantastic horror covered that one!
I'm surprised more people didn't die.
Imagine how much worse it could have been if it had triggered during a crowded event.
I am not sure how much can be found online/city pages at this point but as a resident of Elliot, born and raised I can confirm that our local Uranium Festivals due that week had many events taking place on that roof. Just a day or two after the collapse, a bike event held by one of the banks had to postponed. There were families and tents to be set up on the entirety of that parking space. Had the collapse not happened, our yearly Street Dance party with tents, stages and vendors would have been up there. I remember the summer prior being in there one evening, low traffic: Walking with my aunt and stepson in the food court area and the whole building shook. Everyone around me went still. We were frozen. The shake was maybe three seconds. But after that my family and I decided lunches at the food court or long 'wasting days' of shopping with the kids lost their fun. The 'joke' was always "How long until it falls?" due to all the buckets and tarps and bs. So many of us are lucky. So many got out to catch the town buses in time. But in the end this never should of happened.
if it wasn't for those 2 people that died he wouldn't have made this movie.Those 2 people are like the minimum requirement for him to make a you tube video. lol
There have been so many things happen that could have been much worse. Seems like a Tsunami never happens at night.
It was... 2:21 pm exact when it hit. Pretty sure. I remember clearly. Saturday. Small town though. In Toronto it would've been 100s. Terrifying. I am so so so happy no one was on the escalator. It was a folded box. Only 10 minutes. 10 minutes of me maybe.... Eating longer or walking longer.... I would've been crushed in the escalator. Crazy how a few minutes changes your life
My wife got off work at 2 from foodland that day. Lucly she came straight home and didnt go up to the food court for a coffee
Wow, this feels so surreal to see you cover. Elliot Lake is my hometown - I was graduating highschool as this happened. We stood vigil outside while they attempted to rescue the women, and then further to watch the rubble come down. It was intensely traumatic for our little town and I'm still haunted by the memories of those few days of chaos. The lot is now owned by the city and they have plans to create a recreation center where the mall once stood.
I spent much of my adolescence roaming aimlessly around that mall (not much else to do in a retirement town), it was so normal to us to see the tarps and hoses coming from the ceiling and buckets catching leaks. And no one ever thought twice about parking on the roof... We trusted the owners and inspectors to maintain the building's integrity 😔
With social media and online shopping killing the mall it's a little depressing. "Going to the mall" was such a huge part of young adult culture that it really is an incredible loss. You had a feeling in a mall that can't be duplicated anywhere else. It was truly an amazing place where anything could happen.
RIP Mall.
I’m a teen and still go to the mall often. It mostly depends on where you live since certain places seem to prefer in person shopping to online from what I’ve seen. For me it’s mostly shipping costs since if you don’t live in the us it seems like you have to pay a lot for shipping (it’s generally around $20 CAD for me). I also just like the atmosphere of the mall and I like to have an excuse to leave the house.
@@x_kittrix That's awesome to hear that some of the younger generation have opportunities to see how the old folks did it.
Now you just need an arcade or two and a Blockbuster Video and you'll be all set. 😂👍
I Appreciate his ability to delve into a topic without sensationalizing it
I have the flu and my week has been miserable. I'm so happy you uploaded. I feel a little better
Hope you get better, bud
Not THE flu I hope.
Yaaaay, disasters 😆
Ah yes, people dying, the best medicine pfff
But really I hope you get better!
Hope you feel better soon! I get the flu every other year or so and I want to be in a coma til it passes.
When you see deficiencies, speak up. Don’t “sign off” on them.
While watching the news today regarding the building collapse in Miami, I just kept thinking about this video that I watched the week prior. We never really know what ticking time bombs lay beneath our feet! Thank you for all the wonderful work you do on your channel and as a resident of Miami, I look forward to your coverage of this disaster. It seems some lessons really are written in blood.
Yes!! Same here as soon as I started hearing about possible water damage I thought of this!!!
5 AM, still not slept, perfect time to listen to a story of people being killed
Bro
It's 5:26 here, and I haven't slept either😵.
No time like the present
No time like the present
Death and destruction
A friend of mine grew up in Elliot Lake and he's mentioned many times that even in the late 90's it was mostly retirees. The vast majority of people our age (born in the late 80's) move away as soon as they finish school and never look back. Such a shame that they lost a great public space like that, and even worse when you factor in the two women who lost their lives.
Was gonna say the same--Elliot Lake was always mainly a retirement community, long before this mall collapse.
My mom retired there in 1995 from Toronto...
The uranium mines in the area were historically the major industry in the area and they closed shortly after the mall opened, so the city rebranded itself as a cheap place to retire to.
I grew up in Elliot Lake. That mall had leaking water problems from day 1. I was only surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
I remember this. It is so weird to hear you telling a short documentary about a city Ive driven through a thousand times to get to Sault Ste Marie. Loved it!
Incredible - It reminds me of a local grocery that collapsed just after opening. The rooftop parking caved in just after the grand opening ceremony, but luckily nobody was killed.
I assume you're talking about Save-On-Foods in Burnaby (suburb of Vancouver)? I was just checking the comments to see if anyone had mentioned that.
@@grahambradley1601 Not exactly recent at this point, but, yeah, it's long gone.
As an Ontarian I'm surprised I've never heard of this
ETA:
"The mall was plagued with issues from the beginning"
*shows dollarama sign*
I remember when it happened, but, I'm ashamed to say, I had indeed forgotten about it. Apologies, Elliott Lake citizens.
It was a pretty big news story on CP24 and CTV
My mil says when you see a dollar store, there goes the neighborhood.
You think this was bad read up on Walkerton.
*Zellers sign*
This is why regulations are important.
The history of safety regulations is written in blood, as I’ve heard it been said.
The regs are THERE, someone has to quit taking $$$ to IGNORE them.
The fire codes for the most part, have been there since the Iroquois.
Didn't stop the others from happening.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the work you put in behind these vids. I binge watched all of them within the first week off discovering your channel and it's always a pleasure to see a new upload. Again, thank you 😊
"...Nobody were overly concerned when plans to fit one *fell through* "
Okay I'll see myself out...
Crazy how it could’ve been avoided, I remember being a kid and seeing floaty noodles and tarps as a form of “leak prevention” in the mall. All from the safety inspector being payed off, to a California style mall being placed in the middle of northern Ontario. I remember being so young and how the community really came together for such a dark time. Even retired miners came to try and pull people out. Even today at Cambrian college located in Sudbury (2 hours away from Elliot lake). They teach about this failure, and the safety inspector who deemed the mall to be structurally sound. Much love from Elliot lake! Been living here for 20 years. Would never expect someone to do a video on the mall collapse! Take care
That building wasn't built right to start off with, my grandfather lived in Eliot Lake back in the 1990s. I remember going through that building & the seeing leaking roof various places with in that building, we used to park right on the roof.
This. I live in Northern Ontario. I could have told you as a child, roof parking and Canadian winter Is the making of a disaster. I know lots of ppl who were wary of that mall. If Canadian roads have such a hard time with winter, roof parking not in a building built for it, is a disaster. My town has a parking garage, but built beside pur mall. And built specifically for cars.
@@iciajay6891 Ya i'm in the Soo, imagine all the salt and sand getting dragged up onto a roof, and then the snow removal process doing damage.
@@jamespolnick5302 fellow saulite! I genuinely don’t remember hearing about this disaster. So sad
@@bearlypanda I remember it, the same company built the station mall and it too collapsed in 1996 from heavy snow. nobody died but the mall had to be heavily tested. 1996 was the year of like 10 foot high snowbanks, i remember schools would be cancelled what seemed like every 3rd day because they were afraid of the accumulation on the roofs. was a crazy winter.
@@iciajay6891 I mean, who in their right mind thought rooftop parking and northern Ontario winters were a good mix?
This channel really makes you appreciate maintenance and safety inspections.
You much do so research and scripting for these videos. Thank you for continuing to upload!! Haven’t been this hooked on a youtube channel in so long
The Lac Mégantic disaster is another Canadian tragedy you could definitely make a documentary about.
That's one haunting and heartbreaking disaster😨
Agreed. There are a few other too.
it really fits the tone of this channel.
You can submit a request to the channel's e-mail, is in the description. May take ages for a video to be made though. I submitted three requests a few months ago, and they were added for future episodes. Not sure if its in order, or picked at random.
@@reborno-o4498 Probably it has a lot to do with how available the necessary documentary evidence is to FH and how long the research takes. For the more obscure and older (especially pre-Internet) accidents, this can take quite a while -- and in the case of accidents in foreign countries, it may not be easy to find those documents in any language FH is able to work with.
Love your stories,can you pls do more Canadians stuff such as the Hagersville tire fire or the Walkerton water disaster?
That would be great, wouldn't it?!
Or the one about trudeau absolutely destroying Canada!
I would love to see a video on Walkerton
Let's not forget Lac Mégantic where a train full of crude oil derailed in a small town.
You should email him there is a link in the description.
I tell as many people about your videos as I can. These are chilling, realistic incidents that can easily happen to you. I genuinely feel safer knowing the safety info I know now, thanks to you. One of my favorite channels.
Being Canadian, I remember this incident as it happened. What's funny is I always had tucked away in my mind that the Elliot Lake mall collapse was caused by snow build up weakening the structure's roof. I didn't realise it had to do with erosion caused by salt & snow from car tires. That's completely different! I wonder why I was under the wrong impression for so long. I'm so glad you covered it!
I do remember the political climate at the time though, and the impact this disaster had. The federal government at the time was slashing funding all over for very important services (they even closed most of the Coast Guard stations on the BC coast) so I recall this felt like a bit of a cautionary tale.
I often watch your videos with my mum, all I need to do is say "hey mum, there's a new video I think you'd like." then I hum your opening theme and she knows exactly what I'm talking about.
This looks like it was such a cool setup for a retirement community, my grandmother would have loved it. I think of all those happy memories we had walking across the parking lot from her building to the mall and hanging out enjoying everything, and all those people who lost so much, happy memories with their grandchildren ruined, it's overwhelming.
People died and those with memories of going to the mall with grandchildren weren't affected by the roof collapsing, people can still remember them fondly.
🙄
@@GazB85 Being witness (or victim) to a catastrophe at a venue can, in fact, sour all your memories of that venue.
It still is a retirement community. Actually, there are lots of people moving there now because people can work from home!
I'd like to point out that this wasn't the only major collapse Elliot Lake faced. The civic centre roof also came in on top of the performance theatre right before a show in 2019. In the upstairs right above the area of collapse, the whole hallway floor would creak and the floor had a major slant on it that made me personally feel like I was going to fall over. Again ignored for years. No one cared and everyone continued on like it was not an issue. The local MTO was located in there, North channel literacy, Elliot lake's information centre, mining museum, art gallery and the place for performance arts; a regular central part of Elliot lake's community. Absolutely disgracful. Not to mention the "new mall" already has had its fair share of roof leaks. The buildings in Elliot Lake are thrown together with shoddy workmanship, neglected, and either fall apart or are abandoned and torn down. The negligence in Elliot Lake and the corrupt politics are ever present. "The Jewel in the wilderness" as it's come to be called, is regularly treated like no more than a lump of coal to people who would rather line their pockets than see the city thrive. Very sad. I agree wholeheartedly, the deaths, injuries and damages done are not material failures. They have been human failures.
I want to say thank you for doing and posting this video for a couple of reasons. I lived in Elliot Lake for quite a few years, my mother and younger sister still live there. Yes the Algo Centre Mall was most definitely the heart of the community, I would go there almost daily to visit the stores, the arcade, and just hang with a few friends. The day of the collapse my mother called me to tell me she was alright, she was actually in the mall at the time of the collapse. In the video at 2:46 you show security footage of 4 women leaving by a rear exit, in frame there are 2 ladies who left first and then 2 more ladies that followed, of the second pair the lady on the right with the red hair and light short sleeved top on is my mother, her name is Freda McKee. I was shocked when I made this realization but extremely thankful, also very saddened because one the 2 women that passed in the collapse was also a good friend of the family. So thank you for making this video, it's more meaningful to me than I can describe in words.
A highlight of my week. Your performance is, as always, sincere and clear. Love it!
This reminds me of the Sampoong Department Store collapse in Korea, it's the same corrupted decisions kind of crap that leads to deaths of innocent people...
The building was barely standing for years before it collapsed. I remember feeling the escalator to the rooftop sway slightly near the spot where the SUV parked on the roof fell down onto the floor below. Nearly ten years later it is still impossible to buy many things in town that the mall used to sell.
Crazy how often these happen
Ok so I know this sounds weird, but I actually hope, at the end of each video, that you have a new sponsorship to show me. I listened to all 200 episodes of the magnus archives after that sponsorship from you, and if not for crazy high international shipping at the moment, I would absolutely have purchased a Hunt a Killer box. I know youtubers can't always afford to be so discerning with their sponsorships, but for what it's worth, I hope yours continue to introduce me to previously unknown awesome things.
Also your videos are great so I'm off to watch this one.
Edit: And now I'm off to peruse Brick Immortar's channel!
Great channel! His explanations of collapsing buildings are Epic!
I've been getting the Hunt a Killer boxes ever since they sponsored him on that video, sorry that you can't enjoy them because of shipping! Shipping in the US alone has been a nightmare since the pandemic, I can't imagine how awful international shipping would be and cost. 😔
the magnus archives is SO good
the rusty quill sponsored him? thats so cool
Only 2 died.... Sad but looking at the photos and the history so surprised it wasn't worse. Rip to those that died 💜🙏
Awesome collaboration! I love both channels, and could watch the content for hours, only to start them all over again!!!
Also I'm so glad you're doing a collab with brick immorter because I found their channel through the suggested on this one and they put out real high quality videos!!
My local mall here in Australia always has leaks & buckets on the floor after heavy rain. This only furthers my concerns that its structurally unsound.
(Its called "Dapto Mall". So keep an eye out for a future Fascinating Horror video on it lmao)
Dapto on the south coast? I’m somewhat familiar with it (been a while!) and yeah… some issues.
I worked in the Tuggerah Westfield for years (with rooftop parking) and we always had buckets and tarps everywhere anytime it rained, even in my own store.
@@abbsy77
The whole idea of public parking on the Roof sounds far too random.
Maybe as a vantage point for Mall Security, a few cars in designate areas.
Beyond that no thanks.
Couldn't pay me to step back in there lol. Although that old ad for it had the catchiest song...
@@monkeywkeys3916 lots of buildings have rooftop parking instead of underground. It's probably cheaper?
John Kadlic: "As an engineer I was appalled by the shoddy workmanship and materials involved in this job and also by the decision to put parking on the roof."
Investigator: "So what did you do?"
Kadlic: "I approved the project"
investigator: "surprised Picachu face!"
To be fair, if you understand the geological setting, putting the parking on the roof may have been the least worst option. The soils there are shallow. The bedrock is very close to the surface, and it's hard unjointed rock, either gneiss or quartzite, planed smooth but not level by Ice Age glaciers. That's a very difficult environment for large-scale excavations -- expensive, difficult, and time-consuming.
An underground parking lot would require a huge amount of blasting and heavy equipment to excavate, so that was a no-go. It is possible that the site may also not have permitted extensive ground parking lots (from the photos, it looks like the ground -- therefore the bedrock -- slants fairly strongly, so ground-surface parking would also require extensive blasting and levelling and very likely terracing). Rooftop parking may have been, on balance, the only practical approach.
The problem was not really with the rooftop parking itself -- that's a perfectly fine idea if you foresee the hazards and do it right -- but poor design and construction.
@@Tindometari How about a parking structure of 2-3 levels where the ground level one was? If the mall was multi-level, why not a parking structure. Yes, a bit more expensive, but a lot less risky for patrons. Money for the greedy wins in decisions like this incident. Hope the engineer who signed off the safety inspection never gets to work as an engineer again. Taco Bell is hiring.
@@johncaputo5538 Not having shops on the ground floor makes the mall less convenient for shoppers. - Less of an issue if all customers arive by car, but for a community center you probably want the ground floor to be pedastrian friendly.
@@taemyr mall near me has outdoor multilevel parking. Lots of pedestrians. Don’t see how outdoor levelled parking is a problem for walking?
Wow the rescue sure was pronto! "Eh, give em' a day while the robot arm arrives" The families must've been absolutely pale with agonizing horror waiting for such slow progress
Love to see collaboration between RUclipsrs instead of rivalries. I really enjoy your videos and watch all of them even when I already am familiar with the subject.
i love that this channel could easily be named Forgotten History with no change in content or presentation.
While undoubtedly the incidents you cover will tend to be locally well known of, being far abroad these incidents - whilst just as important and formative as those that ended up in the public eye worldwide - simply haven't been presented in such an informative and succinct way outside their local areas before this channel came along.
I love the respect you have for presenting the facts without dramatizing the plights of victims. It is refreshing to see, and it's been eye opening watching this channel.
Thank you for creating such a good series.
As a librarian, my immediate response to 1:20 was "not the library!"
Oh if i had a dollarfor everytime I had to vaccuum up water in that library....
I could build a new mall
The Miami condo video gonna be insane
I lived in Ontario for a good part of my life, and never heard about this until now! I have to say I do enjoy how you cover these incidents with calmness and clarity, it's really quite refreshing to hear instead of lots of clickbait and yelling. I've never heard people say the full names of those deceased until I found your channel, and I think it's very kind of you to do so. I'm eagerly looking forward to your next video!
You know it's going to be bad when you hear "parking lot on the roof" I've built a lot of buildings. The parking garage is on the bottom!
Bedrock is very close to the surface there, and iirc it's either gneiss or quartzite. Blasting out and excavating an underground parking lot would have been an extremely slow and expensive job.
@@Tindometari Who said underground? Put parking at ground level and put mall above. No? Seen that here in the States.
@@johncaputo5538 Did you look closely at the photo? There is some ground-level parking -- but it ends where there's a noticeable upslope. Extending the ground parking lot would seem to require large amounts of excavation and levelling and probably terracing -- in that same very hard bedrock.
The rooftop parking was pretty clearly an attempt to avoid that expense and perhaps more importantly the delay of opening -- time is money. I can respect that in general, and I *would* respect it in this particular case ... if they'd spent the effort and money to do the job right.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the very *idea* of a rooftop parking lot -- actually, I admire it as an idea. Clever way to get around the site's limitations ... clever design concept; but the utterly asinine execution set the stage for disaster.
Rooftop parking introduces additional stresses and hazards that *must* be properly assessed, designed to, and constructed to.
When you're designing something odd and novel to address a unique site situation, you have to dot every last I and cross every last T, work out all the calculations three times just to be sure, and piously obey the Eleventh Commandment: *Be thou not half-assed.*
The people running this supernal goatf~~k of a project didn't obey this commandment. I'm not even sure they even went full half-ass; 0.37 ass is my upper-bound estimate. I wouldn't trust them to lay asphalt correctly -- they'd probably try laying it in January to move the project along. (rolls eyes) These weren't the folks to do even a simple, standardized job right, let alone something highly unusual with unique features.
So -- a clever and workable design idea was fatally spoiled by incompetent design plus sloppy construction plus unforgiveable stinginess on maintenance and repair.
Rooftop parking itself was not the problem; good, skilled, safety-conscious engineers and conscientious, responsible contractors would have succeeded safely. It was that perfect storm of cheapness, incompetence, and human f~~kery by owners, engineers, and contractors that did this.
@@Tindometari Why all the excavating if done at parking lot loc? Where its lower, put a base and footing for that end of the parking structure ... a structural terrace to level the pavement.
I don't disagree with your analysis. It was a cluster f**k. The design wasn't appropriate for the conditions. The original design was generic, rather than specific to the location. Parking on the roof is very common and just fine at locations without the issues of northern Canada, and, as you say, engineering must consider all the risks then design to handle them. It was awful that people died.
BTW, my first suggestion was build the mall over parking. Only need to level that area, which had to be done anyway. Why not that idea here? Nevertheless, faulty is faulty and disaster will follow.
As a long time watcher its absolutely wild and fascinating to watch a video from your channel about the small retirement town I live in and grew up in. Keep up the good work!
This happened in 2012 and I just leaned this today. You share the most important safety hazard stories ever. May the deceased rest in peace
Subscribed a week ago and I can't get enough of these fascinating horrors. In fact, I've almost binged every single upload. What's wrong with me?
Much love from Oregon. ❤
Nothing at all 😂
Same thing wrong with the other 493k of us 😆
The video was truly educational. Your channel made me think about a lot of safety issues and apply them to the locations I often visit. We have a very popular mall in my city which I now do not want to visit at all cause they refuse the fire-safety inspection and are currently being sued by the city for it. From what I saw in the mall they basically have no easy way to get from the 3rd floor to the 1st floor besides 2 very narrow escalators. The same with the middle floor. So thanks for making me think and be aware of my surroundings)
There has to be something. Probably by the escalators....?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 nothing near those and if there are any emergency exits near the back I never saw those either but there are maintenance hallways so who knows
Great to watch both yours and Brick Immortar's videos!! Brilliant collaboration 👏
Excellent video. I remember the day this happened. My grandparents were in the mall not too long before it's collapse and they called my mother shortly after to let her know they were safe.
I actually remember when this happened, as it made headlines. Great coverage of it
No shit it made headlines.
After listening to the video, I checked the map to see where exactly this town is. It is about halfway between Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie, quite in the middle of nowhere, and is very small. What is even creepier though is that the site of the mall is still very clearly visible on Google Maps along Ontario Ave, right across from the current courthouse for the town. If they had to get help from one of the two cities, that would explain why the response was agonizingly slow. People usually think of Toronto and the Golden Horseshoe around Lake Ontario when they think of the province, but it is actually massive with a lot of open space in between. This town is so small (and likely strapped for cash) that, while they tore down the Algo Centre, the floorprint is still there and still undeveloped. It must be creepy to pass it.
Also the irony of the only people unfortunate enough to lose their lives in this preventable disaster being those at the lotto kiosk is very dark.
During the disaster the rescue units had to come from Toronto. Sudbury and the Sault had no service.
Yeah, I knew it was somewhere up north, but I had to consult Google maps to see exactly where.
Glad I almost never play it, then...
I almost feel bad at how hyped I get about these vids cause they’re about such awful tragedies but this is one of my fav youtube channels. Fascinating horror really is the perfect name for it
This was one I hadn't heard of. Thanks for mentioning Brick Immortar, RUclips put him in my recommendations and now I will for sure go check him out.
Woke up from a nightmare of crashing in a plane. Now I'm happily watching this and eating milk and cookies
Have one for me 🍪 🥛
Lol we're all gluttons for punishment. My anxiety is through the roof and I'm all " ohh, a new video! Click!" 😂😂
OBKB
Was gonna say....do u want a cookie?
sorry- "happily"? what the fuck
Very tragic but I can’t think of Canadian malls without thinking of the how I met your mother episode where robin sings ‘let’s go to the mall’
Just seeing that they had a parking lot on top of the mall was really unsettling to me right away. Parking dozens or hundreds of vehicles right above a massive shopping area just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. That practice is also completely unheard of in the U.S, I guess I can see why now. I understand that if it's constructed properly with all safety precautions put into place it's probably safe, but I'd never really feel at ease knowing there was a parking garage right over my head at all times.
The Jewel at Chicago Ave & Racine in Chicago has parking on the ground, but it's tiny, so there's parking on the roof. My Diesel Mercedes, Volvos, & Toyotas have been there many times. The ramp to the top is about a 20% grade, from the front to w/in 30 feet of the back. For perspective, the steepest grade on any Interstate Highway is on I70 west of Denver, at 7%. When I first went up there, I thought, "Man, I bet they gotta salt the crap outta this in the winter, or nothing would stick." Sure enough, they did. That roof must have a membrane, cos I never saw buckets in the store.
🖤well researched, & narrated, as usual.
This one steams my clams, cause it’s in Ontario, only 10 years ago. The idea that a mall would remain open with water seeping through, soaking the structure’s innards like that, is really disturbing…
Just recently a new gigantic mall opened in a town not far from me and it’s also called Algo... Hopefully this isn’t foreshadowing
Geez... send this video to whoever named that new mall! Though I suppose, if it's in the States or other Canadian provinces, it wouldn't have the same tragic connotations.
I read a story once that someone was going to launch a Lakes ore freighter named *Edmund Fitzgerald II*. My first thought was that they were going to have a hell of a time getting that ship crewed; merchant mariners are a famously superstitious bunch, and many wouldn't even be willing to set foot on the deck of that ship, let alone sail on it, just because of that ill-omened name.
That is crazy to me that new malls are still opening up, all the malls around me are dead or dying.
Algo sounds a lot like “I’ll go” like “die”
@@jenniferryersejones9876 Well it's in Italy so I don't really think anyone around here would know about the incident...