The Rare Disorder That Turns Everyone Else Into Demons
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Prosopometamorphopsia is an extremely rare disorder of facial processing that makes other people's faces look demonic or seem to melt. But in the process of treating these people, we can also learn how our brain understands what a face is.
If you or someone you know has experienced this condition, these researchers would like to hear from you: prosopometamorphopsia.facebli...
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i think my great grandfather might have had this. he fought in wwii, and had gotten severe brain damage during it, but it wasn't where he was physically disabled by it. my great grandmother had said that he was a completely different person when he came home, and apparently he said that everyone looked like demons. naturally, instead of being checked out by a doctor first, my family got a priest to perform an exorcism on him to get rid of that, and also his night terrors (he was suffering from really bad ptsd). it didn't do anything, and so he was sent to a mental institution and was declared clinically insane.
i feel bad for the guy. if he had lived today he could've gotten the help he needed so he wouldn't be miserable for the rest of his life.
@fishfinn2204 - I am so sorry that your GGF had to endure that. I thank your family for his service. I wish we could have given him the help that he needed.
🫂
Sorry to hear a veteran has those mental & physical disabilities.
But who would of guessed exorcisms wouldn't work. Prob saw a demon priest.
The poor bloke was probably wondering what the hell was happening.
Did doctors at the time even know about this disease, or associated treatments? If not, it unfortunately goes to show the limits of medical science can be quite a large burden to overcome over time. May your great grandfather rest in peace! Hope he's in a better place (or state) now!
ofc claim that he's clinically insane (who wouldn't be in this world nowadays or even a little bit crazy with all the gaslighting going on?) when it's the government who probably forced him to fight in that war anyway (assuming he didn't have a choice)
Interesting that there are so many "human face" specific neurological disorders. Really goes to show how much of our brain is dedicated just to looking at other people
Humans are a highly social species and a lot of our communication is via facial cues, so it makes sense there's a lot of wires that can get crossed.
Makes a lot of sense. Humans are hyper social and reading each other's facial expressions are super important
My favorite fact is that there is a neuron for every face you know
Not just us humans, virtually every animal also likes to look at each others’ faces. I’m not sure why, but looking at other people’s eyes just makes sense.
So, this is probably over thinking, but if the human face can be so easily distracted just through brain damage, to the point it looks completely different, how much of what we see is just our brains making it look better or nicer than it actually is?
"Demons" seems exaggerated, that just looks like Pete Davidson
OH NA ur right 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I recognize him immediately. He must be an incubus, he gets all the Hollywood girls in bed.
LMAOOOO
Davidson is a reptilian, same thing
Pete Demonson
Getting misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder and/or schizophrenia is more common than people think. People think it only happens in the movies but it happens a lot more than people think.
doctors and psychologists especially just LOVE to diagnose everything as bipolar disorder these days, especially if the patient is a woman. It's become a medical wastebasket taxon unfortunately, or just another label for "hysterical female I want out of my waiting room"
I got misdiagnosed with bipolar and we later found out it was an odd combination of persistent depressive disorder and autism
No one thinks it only happens in the movies..
You know how adults used to tell you that you aren't invincible?
Okay well if you're gonna say "no one" you have to take the burden of proof and describe every single person and describe why they don't think that it only happens in movies. @@MeepMeep88
I have Prosopagnosia, so I don’t recognise people even from my family. I have spooked myself a few times by passing a mirror and not recognising myself. 😂😅
I don't have it so bad that I don't recognize myself in a mirror, but I do have "stranger danger" moments when my partner gets a haircut or shaves his beard off. It usually takes me a couple of days before I get used to the new face.
@@Zuraneve when I didn’t know I was faceblind yet. I once came back from school and during the time I was at school my mother had gotten a hair cut and when she opened the door I didn’t recognise her and got really scared she had been replaced. I had nightmares about it for weeks, even tho I quickly realised she just had a haircut.
Neurologist Oliver Sacks was also face blind. Perhaps that is why he got interested in examining all those unusual brain dysfunctions.
I was wondering about this as I have a friend with this condition. I'd be curious to know how faceblindness is connected to PMO, medically speaking. Truly fascinating.
It was just such a relief when I learnt that word Prosopagnosiaa few years ago. Facial blindness had been causing problems for my entire life, but I didn't know why. Now I explain to people as soon as we meet. Mostly people say approx: oh i have that too, no worries. ....... *grits my teeth*. " you don't understand, I walked past my mother, and my best friend. ". silence.
So, are we calling these faces demonic because of cultural association, or do demons look like that because someone a few hundred thousands years ago had this condition and used the supernatural to explain it?
Sounds like it was a patient who described it this way, and it has been used by others as a shorthand to describe the visual distortions
No, we call it demons because we created fairy tales of gods and devils a couple thousand of years ago. Odds of one single individual (extremely rare disorder) to have had such influence to the extent you’re imagining is a really far reach
You can thank your man made fairy tales for the name “demon”
Chickens lay eggs, eggs hatch chickens; the world may never know which came first 😁
@@IceMetalPunk The egg. The egg came first. This is settled. There is no debate. Talk to an evolutionary biologist.
More likely we just tend to associate distorted facial features as horrifying because of evolution to detect facial symmetry and avoid disease/mutations. Thus artists drew distorted faces to represent demons.
Now I wonder how many people run to their psychiatrist with this video, saying "This! This!"
Right?. Imagine never being believed about that. Though it would be neurologist, not a psychiatrist they’d need - he said it’s a processing disorder rather than a mental health issue. But man… people who endure that should probably check in with a therapist!
If that's case then you "Must. Must."
They need to know this is actually not psychological, it's entirely visual!
I hope that this actually does happen and it helps some people get the right kind of care that they need. I can imagine that with very rare conditions it's easy for them to be misdiagnosed, especially if the specialist is either unaware of some of the rarer ones, or dismisses them just from a probabilities point of view or because they don't really understand what the patient is trying to describe. Having the condition appear in a well known science channel might help some patients better describe or demonstrate what they mean, so they can be diagnosed correctly.
@@chillsahoy2640Yes. I’m in grad school to become a therapist right now, and we are definitely trained to discount possibilities that are “too rare.” As someone neurodivergent myself, I am constantly wondering how many people get misdiagnosed because of this. At some point, someone has to realize they are looking at “a horse with stripes” and maybe they should consider that most horses don’t have stripes, even if horses are more common than zebras!
@@TheIndigoShine that might be a little misleading. i probably know just as much about this disorder as you do, but as far as i'm concerned anything that's due to an issue in the brain is in fact psychological. it doesn't have to do with mental health (not directly anyway), but it is the brain that's having an issue. an eye doctor wouldn't be able to help, a neurologist (aka a type of psychologist) would.
a psychiatrist would be helpful anyway since in theory someone with PMO would probably already be in contact with one, and they can refer to them to the right professional. and i imagine a disorder as scary as this one probably also needs psychiatric help as well.
When I was younger, staring at a face would turn their face into a a hideous monster. This would usually take anywhere from a 2 to 3 minutes at staring at someone to start to distort their faces. As a result, I don't stare at people.
That happened to me too
If it still happens, it might be worth contacting the researchers in the video description! They'll probably find anything like this helpful.
It's possible it's related to jamais vu. Basically, when you look at something like a face, the neurons that recognize it will fire, but as you keep staring at it, the neurons will keep firing over and over. Eventually, they get too tired to keep firing. But since those neurons are responsible for you knowing you recognize that face, your brain gets really confused when they stop firing.
My friends and I all used to do this for fun.
Shouldn't be staring at people anyway
I applaud you for putting that link to the Dartmouth College research study. Sci Show in particular (and the internet in general) has a never before seen opportunity to reach many many people who are suffering from all sorts of rare disorders and getting them in touch with researchers who understand and are studying those very disorders. Most everyday doctors and psychiatrists are going to be looking for the "horse instead of the zebra," and that means the zebras amongst us have years of frustrating misdiagnoses and ineffective therapies ahead of them. You can help connect individuals who otherwise might never have met, helping patients, researchers, and the scientific community alike.
Fellow Zebra here appreciating this comment!
I don't think people discuss the upsides of social media enough, like this kind of information getting out to many, fundraisers to help people, etc.
Except this channel has very blatantly spread misinformation regularly and barely ever issues corrections, or even just a public retraction. They usually just quietly disappear. Dont get your hopes up.
This was my thought too!! That's a much better way to use social media! It has so much potential to increase data sets in huge studies. And for our health! Not just Google's user metrics
recently figured out myself that i'm mildly allergic to an ingredient that's in, among other things, every hair conditioner. obviously it's not that bad but it's been making me mildly itchy with no explanation for a lot of my life (the itch cream i was using for years Also has the ingredient. kill me)
hardly anyone is allergic to it which is why nobody suggested it might be that and also it's in everything
Ok, lets just place this one in the massive folder marked 'the brain is weird af'.
There's something intensely funny about the idea of brains starting an entire scientific field to study themselves.
Brain glitch/bug log
@@FleshWizard69420 Cheese flavoured cheese.
those paintings by the artist with the condition sound excellent, how you gonna describe something that interesting and then not gimme a link?!
probably copyright
Or at least name of the artist, so we can search ourselves.
They may not be online, but if they are, you can try googling it
Might be referring to Francis Bacon.
Picasso
I can't imagine not being able to look at my partner suddenly because of brain damage. it would be such an isolating and awful experience. I hope we can find ways to repair this for the rare people who suffer it.
you’d get used to it, unless there’s something else wrong that makes you afraid and paranoid
It's such a shame that such stigma against mental health or neurological differences still exist in our society, even and especially amongst medical professionals.
This really drives home the fact that our experience of the world is a hallucinatory experience crafted by the brain from sensory inputs and educated guesses.
the problem with most "normal" people is that they don't realize their own subjectivity. One person's bright blue sunshiny day is another person's harsh relentless glare. They both think they've got the proper read on conditions. It took a psychedelic experience to make me realize how my mood rearranges everything about my perceptions. Better education in psychology and philosophy is lacking, so people will continue to ignore their unexamined filtering.
Hmm....I wonder if this plays at all into the representations some ancient cultures had of demons, monsters, spirits or goblins. That one face from the person who altered the image looks a lot like some of the old masks you find of goblins in some Japanese and Chinese lore/imagery, or things like masks.
It happened to me when I took psychedelics, so I’m going with “yes” 🤣
definitely, all ancient representations of the supernatural have a mental disorder background
Religions as well, and not so ancient.
@@celticlass8573
Your connection of 'religions' and 'mental disorder' and the 'not so ancient' times is good for a chuckle. lol
@@nirbija I meant how some modern religions believe in things like demons and spirits, and wondering if the root of that is someone's experiencing something similar that then was passed on, but I'm always happy to make someone smile. :)
That thumbnail will be the content of my nightmares
your nightmares will be the content of their thumbnail actually
Lol it looks cartoonish
It should be a Tik Tok filter /j
looks like jerma
It looks like a Mii
New fear unlocked. Thanks for that.
It's similar to this movie
ruclips.net/user/shortscJIUu4YW9xE?feature=shared
Same
@WhatJaneSays - Not a new fear, but empowerment to get the help needed. Silence helps nobody.
there is nothing to fear but fear itself ❤
Very interesting. I think we need a centralized website to collect all of the things like this. I mean, things that "if you're experiencing something like this there's a decent chance you aren't generally going crazy, but it could really be a very specific malfunction in a part of your body, so you might want to talk to a doctor about it."
You _could_ make a website that did specifically that, but Google's search engine is absolutely terrible for giving you results for what you're looking for, especially when it comes to specific medical information.
tbf practically every form of "going crazy" is some type of super specific malfunction in the brain.
I am autistic - and before I was diagnosed, when I got sensory overload - I saw people’s faces with their features “intensified”. As if you upped the contrast of the shapes that make up their faces and expressions.
However, in my case this happened along with lights being too bright and sounds being too loud.
I did not have a demonic or evil feeling towards this, it was just exhausting and painful.
I was misdiagnosed as having bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, by different professionals.
It’s really great that you’re talking about this, and giving out so much info. I wanted to share my experience in case it helps out someone who is in the same situation I was.
The brain sure is weird! We still have so much to learn about it.
That use to happen to me all the time! Never occurred to me that it could have been related my sensory issues!
I'm autistic too and it's basically impossible to get medical care. I have a bunch of related physical/neurological health issues and providers say they're all mental health/behavioral. I have been an alcoholic for 10 years and I'm like "hey my liver hurts real bad?" and they said the liver pain is probably IBS (caused by anxiety obviously). Without any testing. They gave no reaction when I said I have white stool which is a symptom of liver failure. So I don't even bother telling them "people's features don't look right." I wish I had known better when I was younger. There's no point and no profit in telling them that stuff. That will only make it harder to get treatment for like, asthma. They told me I don't have asthma I have an anxiety disorder and depression. I have allergic asthma diagnosed and treated for 20 years by an allergist. Kaiser doesn't pay for recreational allergist visits and treatments, clearly I have asthma. They've done this to me for almost everything I'm diagnosed with, I already have a specialist diagnosis for a bunch of stuff and they're like "naaaah I don't think so" without doing any diagnostics that the expert did. It's all based on feelings man
I don't need tips or anything I'm a big self advocate and I've done everything, I'm venting about the disgraceful state. Self advocacy in healthcare just leads to a bunch of other problems, especially if you have a communication disorder and doctors get offended by your delivery. I shouldn't have to be an expert advocate, medical researcher and science communicator to get a doctor to do the corresponding tests for the symptoms I have. I'm literally developmentally disabled. Like fine be offended, think I'm mentally ill. Then do your job anyway
@@no_peacethat's not cause you're autistic IMHO I think your doctors just suck
i have central auditory processing disorder from being hit VERY hard in the head. fairly rare, mimics other disorders, pervasive and a bit hard to describe... this honestly sounds almost like the a visual version of CAPD, probably from similar damage being in a different area of the brain! brains are fascinating.
what's your symptoms?
I have mild autism (may or may not be relevant) and when I was a teenager I was going through a series *horrible* life events that were very bad for my mental health, and I was also malnourished while also exercising a lot (not really an eating disorder, I just loved sports and also had some transient IBS or something that went away). During this time I would have a very difficult time understanding what people said to me, especially if my mental health was particularly bad. Like I could hear them perfectly fine, but all information was completely lost.
@eingyi2500 Auditory Processing Disorder (APD) is quite common in autistic people (without the need for any injury or accident) and it's also been documented that autistic traits can become more pronounced during times of stress or overstimulation.
So what you're saying sounds quite plausible and probably relatively common amongst autistic people (not those exact circumstances, but similar). It might be that you have mild APD anyway and it was exacerbated or perhaps you only experience it during more stressful times.
Try watching TV or a video with and without subtitles to see if the subtitles make things easier for you to understand. If they do, then you probably have APD (obviously don't count that as an actual diagnosis, it's just an observation).
What happens to the sounds?
I have auditory processing disorder naturally I would love to know the differences
Interestingly, the Netflix movie "Blonde" depicted something like this in several scenes. Didn't know it was an actual medical condition.
The Marilyn Monroe movie?
@@mymayapapayaYes
LSD sorta does this. It makes individual features of a face look separate. You can't look at the sum of the parts properly, so everyone looks really odd
2C-B does something similar sometimes. People's faces turn into goblins. Kind of unnerving - but in a fun way!
I don't believe either of you, prove it to me. 😁😁
@@kurtlindner ill show it to your mom when we did our usual deed tonight
yeah i had someone fully morph into a demon in my minds eye on acid, was kinda funny and scary lol
I have Prosopagnosia faces are always like that for me I can’t remember them in their entirety only in seperate parts. LSD might cause your brain to process faces like my brain always does. My friend said lsd made me extra autistic (more so than usual) so maybe lsd just makes people process like an autistic person or similar to it in lower doses where there are not any visual hallucinations yet and things just appear less filtered and like things are leaving a trail when they move.
Remember the lady on the plane who said that mf right there is not real?
No
@@amazinggrapes3045 look for the video. She stands up screaming "you can believe me or can not believe me, but I'm telling you right now, that mf over there is not real" While she gets off the plane
I have ab absolute phobia of distorted faces, so this is about the absolute most horrifically terrifying condition I have ever heard about that is essentially medically harmless, holy crap.
Yeah this happens in a lot of conditions, not just this super rare one, hallucinations arent exactly uncommon
hi :) while I usually am not the "just say no!" type at all, in your case I would suggest avoiding psychedelic drugs like LSD, the various funky mushrooms, 2C-b/i/e/p type compounds, mescaline and others. Not that they are necessarily unsafe (for others reading), but in your case I think you might find it quite frightening.
@@TacticalFluke09 I agree fully, they needs to stay well clear of psychedelics.
@@TacticalFluke09 yeah indeed i have a phobia of hallucinogenic drugs via transitivity, so i will never try lol
1:10 it’s absolutely KILLING me that we don’t get any examples of these paintings or even the patient’s name
Right? If you aren't gonna show them at least tell us WHERE TO FIND THEM
Francis Bacon might be who they're talking about
@@BirdieRumia It wasn't. The pictures are part of a study that's in teh source document in the description.
The human condition is SO complex and our collective FAILURE to build a society around supporting our fellow humans has lead to horrible consequences.
That's hard to do when the only group that is not a tax burden is white males over the age of 25.
This doesn't seem particularly related to this video but I agree
I experienced this briefly when I was in 7th grade, I was experiencing depression for the first time, and it made me very anxious... It stopped happening after a couple weeks... It was only other students at school from what I remember, my parents looked the same to me... And I did experience a massive head trauma to the back of my head when I was 8 so it could have contributed like this video is saying.. Weeeird!!
Plot twist: That's actually how we look, and normal brains filter it out.
wouldn't cameras just....? idk
@mikicerise6250 -- Lol! Reminds me of the idea a fanfic proposed in the Tolkien fandom. That the elves are so flawless, with such perfect symmetry in their features, that the mind of an unprepared person (for example, the random modern era self-insert character magically sucked through a portal into Middle Earth) would find them terrifying in an Uncanny Valleyesque way at first glance.
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But eventually, in an effort to save its own sanity, their brain would do some internal filtering on the perceptual data the eyes sent in. So then the unnatural too-perfect humanoid-but-clearly-not-human being became merely extraordinarily beautiful. Instead of the skin-crawling inducing (like an alien was wearing a human skin suit but it overshot the mark on the "attractiveness" settings and ended up with "literally iimpossible and thus cannot actually be human'") looks initially perceived.
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Makes me think of how angels open conversations with humans in the Bible by saying "fear not".
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I'll never look at the idea of flawlessly gorgeous beings of any kind, magical or not, in quite the same way. Which certainly makes reading fantasy and SciFi a more interesting experience.
I'm actually wondering about the veracity of that idea. If it's a distortion and delusion - why does the physics of the skin on the forehead and cheeks work properly? It looks properly stretched, as if people really do have some kind of natural wrinkles there that somehow 99.999+% of neurologies in this version of reality filter out. And why are the ears elf ears, of all things, and consistently elf ears? There's a lot of stories of DMT "elves". Maybe *we're* the elves, and this reality is where we're pretending to be "human". Thoughts of madness man. And the consistency of distorting a specific side of the face despite being flipped upside down is also absolutely incredible.
If it is a delusion, then that means the brain is quite possibly just imagining wrinkles on other people quite often, and guessing they're appearing here due to the apparent "stretch." The eyes certainly seem like they'd surely be anatomically wrong for an animal to have, but maybe I just can't understand how they'd actually work and they could in fact function... How much of what we experience is just BS, basically? I've had a few prior experiences with altered facial interpretation, but I never saw elves or anything like this. Just the different parts floating around as if not solid, or silhouettes of people that appeared like the event horizons of black holes.
@@DyllinWithItDMT?
@@amazinggrapes3045 Dimethyl tryptophan, it's a psychedelic with connection to psilocybin and LSD.
My brain draws the best version of people's face
Mine draws according to waht I think about them. If they are bad people or I hate them I see them as ugly but if they are good I see them as good looking
Funny, since i dont like looking in peoples faces. Plainly speaking, i have no interest in it.
This makes people think im shady, when i evade their sight, but thats for the better - the feeling is mutual.
@@LiezAllLiez Sounds like you have self-esteem issues.
@@exosproudmamabear558shallow hal
@@LiezAllLiez I don't feel like people who try to stare me down are shifty, I feel like they are malignant and not even trying to hide it.
for demons, that seems pretty tame
His brain is LARPing in a Goblin Dungeon.
i still don't want to stand in a crowded bus full of them
reminds me of that episode of "Beyond Belief: Fact of Fiction" with the woman who couldnt stand seeing her own face anymore.
Nightmares for the rest of my childhood.
@@360.Tapestry cmon man, give the goblins a chance
what did they ever do to you, cackle and pour rice in your clogs?
"A glimpse into my dark world" ahh comment 😭😭😭
wait a minute
that's super interesting, why the faces didn't warp when viewed on a computer screen
that must have been SO relieving for the patient. also though, what the hell? How would that matter?
That's so interesting.
I wonder how it works with VR
Totally agreed that was a fascinating caveat.100% speculation on my part, but it might have something to do with depth perception. A real face has depth to it but on a screen it's just a flat plane. So maybe the brain doesn't process 2D faces the same way it does 3D ones and the former doesn't run afoul of whatever causes the distortions.
@@IanGramsthey also don't move or have expectations. In real life you are expected to make eye contact if you're staring at someone, you aren't supposed to just look around evaluating different parts of their face
@@no_peace but that's just a social expectation rather than a difference in how the brain processes the visual information. If that were a factor then people affected by this shouldn't see distortions in faces of people not moving or making eye contact. As far as I've seen that isn't the case but it's possible I missed something.
@@IanGrams i guess that's true if you think that social expectations don't affect how the brain works, which isn't true
It's bonkers to me that one side of objects and faces gets distorted with this. Like the brain can tell "this is not background" but can't process the foreground.
It's amazing the brain can distinguish separate objects but misprocesses one *side* of them. I usually don't think of vision as "solid" enough for this to happen...i hope I'm making myself clear here. o_o.
I'd love to see more face comparisons of the woman with PMO using the computer.
Hi Stefan!
You know that episode of House where the painter keeps painting really weird and horrifying pictures? Yeah, that.
I thought of that exact same thing when he was talking about the artist.
called looking at urself in the mirror on shrooms
I see it looking in the mirror without shrooms on a good 3am morning my friend
@@2smoothz don't get me wrong . I love shrooms
Other people are commenting that it happens to them on LSD, which is very similar to shrooms.
Ok, so if I ever see melting, distorting faces while out and about, tell my doctor in case I have brain damage, got it 😅
I wonder how many people will be diagnosed and treated by a neurologist for what would be treated as schizophrenia nowadays and in past.
Would be interesting to know how such a disorder affects the tendency to see faces in inanimate objects & patterns.
Good point! Apparently people with prosopagnosia are less likely to experience pareidolia, so we know that perceiving inanimate "faces" can be affected by neurological differences, too. It would be interesting to see if or how PMO affects pareidolia.
Appreciate the inclusion of options for people that are affected by the topic.
This kind of investigation is why I love reading Oliver Sachs' work. He was so interested in the subjectivity of people whose brains work differently, and what it can tell us about all brains. One thing though - the name of the artist you referred to at the beginning?
"The Scream" was painted by Edvard Munch.
@@salemsaberhagan I think that person means the artist from the 60s that was mentioned.
@@InAHollowTree That person's name would not be available. Patients who consent to making their information available for case studies are anonymized for privacy reasons as a standard policy. For example, if you look at the articles provided in the Drive link to the sources for this video, Herald & colleagues' 2022 review article in Neuropsycholgia only refers to a patient in a case from 1967 as "TNP" while including their artistic depictions of what they were seeing. If someone wants, they might try to figure out who TNP is by analysing the style of those paintings but that's difficult when someone is deliberately trying to paint as realistically (from their perspective) as possible as there are very few stylistic quirks to note, especially when you only have a digital copy of the work. There's also no guarantee that the pseudonym assigned to the patient is related to their real name in any way. If the patient was interested in talking about their condition publicly, they would do so in their own personal capacity. I'm assuming they must be either deceased or very old considering that they were already an adult back in the '60s so not expecting to see any social media pages where they discuss this stuff. Edvard Munch also had his own history of psychological issues & drew pictures with faces twisted in unpleasant expressions. Such histories are common among visual artists in particular & creative people in general.
@@InAHollowTreethat's not going to be public information. All personally identifiable information about case studies is removed & the individual is anonymized or given a pseudonym as a matter of standard procedure for individual privacy. For example, if you want to see the drawings they made, you can refer to the references drive link under the video & find the 2022 review paper by Herald & colleagues where they reproduced the drawings from Mooney & colleagues' original 1967 report, but the only name you'll find is "TNP," & there's no guarantee that those represent their real initials. Judging from the fact that this person was an adult in '67, they're probably already dead or very old.
I just had a nightmare today where i saw things like this as if they made from clay yet very distorted. Now i have insomnia...
If you ever figure out what that’s called, go back to this comment. Those are the absolute worst
As a Norwegian I just wanted to say nice pronunciation of "Munch". Not often an English speaker gets it bang on.
Thank you for your empathetic approach. It's so refreshing to hear things from the patient's perspective (e.g. emotional isolation) and have a video emphasise practical steps people with this condition can take to help further science.
I had this happen after having 11 seizures in 1 day.
Did it go away?
I hope you’re doing better now, because that sounds awful.
@HIRAMECLARKEHOPS it did after a week it was go away but it was scary I thought people in cc were wearing masks.
@kellydalstok8900 it went away but at the time I thought I was stuck that way.
congratulations you unlocked: brain damage!
I slipped and whacked the back of my head a while ago. I had a wonky spot in my vision, so I went to a clinic right away. When I was there my vision got a little more blurry, then started to clear up. But the weird part was at one point I couldn't see the one side of the nurse's face! I don't remember if it was only when looking straight on. I recall a paw patrol poster on the wall, I can't remember if it was affected too. Thankfully after a little while, everything returned to normal, aside from a massive headache.
I would really love to see a video on cluster headaches at some point. They're super weird and not well understood. They affect the same nerve as migraines so a lot of the treatment is similar, but they aren't the same condition. The headaches often occur during cluster periods - for instance, my husband gets headaches every 1-3 days starting in August and lasting about 6 weeks, but the rest of the year he's fine. Unfortunately some people have a chronic version where they don't get a reprieve. The pain is completely debilitating, and people who've experienced childbirth and cluster headaches often say the headaches are worse. Depression is also very common, especially since it can take many years to get accurately diagnosed, and it's an isolating experience. Interestingly, there's anecdotal evidence (that's starting to turn into scientific studies) that psychoactive mushrooms are an effective treatment. Also, the average age of onset is teens or early 20s, but the condition isn't always lifelong and it's not uncommon for it to stop in someone's 40s. Long story short, I think there's a lot to dig into and it would make a really interesting topic to dive into!
What's more terrifying is being treated for schizophrenia when you don't have it.
Fascinating. The distorted image accentuates the facial features associated with detecting the emotional state of the person.
Bless these people going through this… this sounds horrible… but I’m hoping there will be a solution soon!
Those with this condition, you guys are AMAZING and awesome!!
This is fascinating. I sent this to my friend who works with people with severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia, hopefully we can try to prevent more misdiagnoses!
You mentioned an artist with this condition, but didn't show any of his work, or tell us his name. I'm wondering if this is referring to Francis Bacon?
Aphex Twin?
@@perverse_inceRichard does love a distortion of his own face 😂
Thank for the improved smoothness of the ad cut.
Previouly it felt like the video had finished or was too abrupt, a bit disturbing/confusing.
This one felt nice.
Fascinating. A good friend of mine has face blindness. He can't recognize faces. He is a very intelligent guy so he learned to compensate by recognizing other characteristics.
Sometimes I see the left eye on peoples faces droop.
I'm glad to see a video on facial recognition. I would like to see a video on face blindness as well.
I have partial face blindness. I have almost zero memory of what a person's face looks like after meeting them. This is true even if we talk for quite a while and have engaging and personal conversations. It's to the point where I now try to tell people who I meet that I won't recognize them if I see them again unless they speak to me. I do remember voices. So I'll know who they are if they talk. But I probably won't recognize their face at all.
I eventually do learn to recognize people. But this is mostly in other ways than by their face. Like their voice. I recognize the way individual people walk. The types of clothing that they wear. And I use association like where they usually park, what part of the building they live in, or who they are usually with. I even recognize hair. But not their face.
The exception for me is also via technology. I can recognize a person's face on my phone.
Anyway, I would be interested to hear how other people with face blindness interact with the world.
The distinction between not being able to recognize face's in real life vs on your phone is so incredibly odd! Our brains really are wired in such a special way
I work a job where I have a lot of regular customers. I always, always remember the vehicle they drive first, then the face, then the name. It usually takes between ten and thirty interactions in a tight timeframe. If they dont come in that often I’ll never remember them.
@@mandareendjes Yeah isn't that weird? I wondered if maybe I don't actually look at a person's face when talking to them. But I do. I specifically remember pieces of the face that I look to for their expressions. And yet I can't see the face as a whole in person or in my mind's eye. And I usually can't even remember those specific features in my mind's eye even though I remember having seen them. Like another commenter said, it takes me many encounters to begin to recognize them at all. And for me that is always context and voice. The mind is definitely a very weird place sometimes.
I do this. I can remember a person's face from a picture, recognize them in photos but it's really hard to put their face irl to the photo. I have to know them for a long time before I can do that.
I have face blindness. Imagine not being able to recognize your parents or your significant other without verbal or other physical cues.
How does that work? Are their faces blank or are they all 'the same"?
I don't like the fact that the RUclips front page wants me to see this horrifying thumbnail every single time I refresh the page.
0:32 "Today we're talking about Prosopometamorphosia, which we'll call PMO so I don't have to say that again"
love yall at SciShow :D
I'm going to start a Black Metal band and call it "Prosopometamorphosia".
Can you all make a video on Visual Snow? it's such an interesting topic that affects me and it would be cool to see it being talked about more, and it seems to some extent related to this video.
I remember hearing of this and couldn’t find much on it lol, i thought it was a pretty untouched subject that’s not very known but surprised it’s being brought up!
This is a very cool video, but I have to give special appreciation to the bookshelf with hank's stuff on it, that's a cool easter egg to sneak in there!
oh my god i just saw this briefly on my timeline a couple days ago and thought it was a disorder that actually made peoples face look like that. i feel so dumb. i was thinking "thats not possible. eyeballs arent big enough for your eyes to stretch like that"
They're seeing through the filter!
They live 😮
@@MasterBlaster3545 “We’ve got one that can see!”
@@gotskills23 Dunno what that's from (They Live?) - but it sounds Goddam creepy!
@@richiehoyt8487 It is from They Live, yeah. I recommend seeing it if you haven’t.
OBEY
The part about how our brains process different sides of faces is really interesting to me, because I've always found it fascinating how different people tell others there's something on their face. Some people point to their own face mirrored to match the other person to show them where the thing is, others point to the corresponding side (not mirrored) of where the thing is. I've always been a same-place pointer-outer surrounded by mirror-image pointer-outers. Which causes no end of (harmless) confusion.
Really fascinating!
I love this channel so much
So the famous painting of it melting, begs one to wonder did the artist suffer from PMO or was it just his imagination at work.
Gosh, that's very interesting, thank you! I wonder how many people misdiagnosed & on antipsychotics that don't work! 😢
Wow thank you for this amazing information. Speaking of faces... this host reminds me of Paul Ruben,
I wasn't expecting a disease that brings Mandela Catalogue to life to be in my feed today, but here we are.
I dunno, last I checked the mandela catalogue didn't have goblins
@@uncroppedsoopthe creator himself might as well be a fuckin goblin with the way that dude was acting 💀💀💀
Mandela catalog?
1:44 please put up a flashing lights warning for this section with all the faces going by quickly. I know its not what you'd expect, but it had the same negative visual effect on me. @scishow
What exactly is your "same negative visual effect"?
@@nirbija eye strain, which can subsequently cause various things. Some have seizures, migraines, or diminished focus abilities when eye strain happens, depending on the issues each person has.
I definitely have the starting of an ice pick (early sign of my migraines) behind my right eye after glancing at the graphics for the listed timestamp before coming to the comments.
Or close your eyes
@@owlbyovrprepared1128Maybe you just need to have less screen time. I get migraines from different things but screens as a whole will cause one sometimes
@@saltiestsiren or maybe you should learn to armchair diagnose less. Do you deal with 25+ days of migraines a month? Because I can promise my issue isn't screen time, even if it was part of yours.
I had a Howard Hughes level of OCD except with mental cleanliness. Every thought I had triggered a panic attack so I had to recite mantras to avoid a spiral and avoid thinking for three years.
Hell is empty, all the suffering is here
Whoa. I had a surgery when I was a little kid and I have a terrifying memory of going under right after everyone's faces started to melt and look like demons!
I've had this happen to me. It was faces on TV, though, not in person. Heads looked elongated or stretched. It would usually only last a day or so and then go away. I never said anything because I didn't know what was happening, and it always went away.
mandela catalogue intensifies.
it's good that these effects of the condition is processed differently on computers/photos. it reminds me of how people see themselves differently if they look at selfies more than mirrors because of the way camera lenses warp things
And the image is opposite of what you see in a mirror.
Mirror mirrors you. Camera doesn't
This is fascinating! I unfortunately have a lot of experience with weird neurological issues (for a 20 year old at least), including that after getting covid I started experiencing mild prosopagnosia (face blindness) that worsens some days and almost completely goes away other days. It’s not the only symptom i have of brain damage/inflammation, and not even the weirdest one, but it’s a good example of just how weird and complex the brain really is.
I saw a fb reel / tiktok that showed 2 famous peoples faces on each side of a line and if you focus on the line in the middle, the faces on the sides morph like that.
So.... when I told my various doctors and mental health folks that sometimes faces turn upside down, or eyes slide off faces or random features bulge or shrink and they were just like.... you're fine....it might have been this?
(Exact recreation of how my health worry cycle goes)
"do not be afraid to report it to your doctor" - with the experience I have with doctors in my country they would never believe you, or even let you argue that you have something else than anxiety or depression - and don't even dare try bringing up a "youtube video" lol. They wouldn't be aware of the disease, and even if they were, they'd always assume "it's rare so it definitely isn't it". Rare diagnoses are impossible diagnoses because doctors can't believe they could ever be assigned one, because they're rare (circular logic). Unless they show 100% unmistakably in tests for other things.
Absolutely agree about the circular logic. Like, what are the chances they'll see a one-in-a-million disease? Well, let's see, they're a doctor, with loads of people coming to them about diseases, so actually pretty darn good.
@@hughcaldwell1034 but also what's one wrong diagnosis among a hundred? that's still 99% success rate!
@@hughcaldwell1034this is why I think whoever came up with the "think horses not zebras" thing has done irreparable harm to humanity
@@amazinggrapes3045 To be honest, I think it is the other way around. Brains use heuristics rather than thinking every little thing through, which has a load of advantages but also several trade-offs, and one of the big ones seems to be a failure to intuit probabilistic phenomena. I agree that codifying the heuristic as a maxim was a bad move, but if it wasn't that person with their horses and zebras, it would've been someone else coming up with some other saying. The cognitive mechanism was already there.
my mother described how panic attacks made her see people with deformed faces, luckily she got help to treat that but it was incredibly traumatic for her
It’s fascinating how we’re still learning about how we actually perceive our world
I had this disorder come up when I was at St. Luke recovering from heart surgery. They had put me under many times already 6 or more. And then I had been kept awake and physically unable to sleep for 2 weeks.
Faces started to look distorted and plasticy almost 'anamatronic' like a human face cast in wax. The features sometimes moved in un-natural ways. The thing was I knew I was seeing things and because of the 2 weeks of no sleep, I was having other, just as bad symptoms such as waking hallucination, but I was so disabled at the time I could barely lift a single bedsheet from myself. But words where distorted, meanings where distorted, what people said made no sense to me half the time, and I had odd, waking visions that where almost dream like.
The worst part of it was three fold, one was I was under demonic attack. (Yes, I believe in that stuff.) Second was I was, at least in my own mind cognoscente, yet prisoner behind these perceptions. Like I was thinking clear, but everything around me was senseless. And lastly was a destroyed sense of time. Where my very perception of minutes, hours, days, etc was drawn out so bad that a minute would feel like a half hour and so on. And I'd literally perceive clocks as standing still, or waiting for an hour, only to discover it had only been a couple minutes.
I finally after a two week stint managed to get some sleep with a new bed, returned to a side sleeping position. And a great majority of the stuff I described went away overnight. The mis-shapen and waxy faces where the first to go. Yet, no matter how I rested, no matter how clear headed I got from that point on the only symptom that didn't leave was the seeing demonic forms in the reflection of the strange round mirror like things that where over the beds in the ICU.
But I believe the two weeks of sleeplessness gave me a whole slew of temporary symptoms, including a temporary bout where facial recognition broke.
Maybe people with PMO need a software update in the simulation
Their neural network models have some corrupted weights... it's fine, they can just restore the checkpoint files from a backup.
...what do you mean people don't backup their brains? How can you live like that, like a caveman?! 😅
It's not funny. For the people who have it, it's very scary and unsettling. It is also isolating because many people with the disorder won't go out in public.
Oh wow! Glad to know what it's called, I remember when I was 5 my babysitter's neighbour had this condition. I was told he saw everyone as a monster but never knew what it was called when I tried to learn about it as I got older.
I recently saw a video about blindsight and other strange neurological disorders, and there are so many parallels between PMO and blindsight. As he said, he can recognize faces, which means his brain is probably receiving the proper visual information and it can process it separately from the 'hallucinations', which is really fascinating.
Your brain always tries to fill in the gaps of missing information in your vision and other senses. This function might be stuck in a permanent on-state where for people with PMO their brain is just constantly trying to fill in gaps of information, even when all the information is already there.
idk
You remind me of my friend, who says things like this about things and frequently his intuition or "teleport to conclusion" as I call it, is proven right years later by researchers in the relevant field.
This makes us more aware of how ancient believes started. There's another disorder that makes people see others as tiny even if they're standing right in front of you, I believe that disorder is what started the belief of elves and fairies.
Alice in Wonderland Syndrome en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome
@@geoffreypiltz271 it plays a role, however I was forgetting to include the fact that actual little people exist, so it's not only that syndrome that started the belief of elves and fairies
They look like Skyrim elves.
The elves in morrowind looked a lot like that
I’d never open my eyes again
Imagine having this disorder, but seeing a normal face among the crowd of distorted one
Sooo similar to acid or shrooms
There are enough people independently commenting this that I think it’s definitely a thing.
Ya I’ve experienced this on acid for sure looking at my own face. Now that I think of it, I’ve seen it with other people’s faces on shrooms too.
I think a lot of religious folk suffer from this and wouldn’t report it because they believe it’s a gift from god that they’re seeing the heart of people. I was a part of a religious s organization once where multiple people reported similar symptoms but believed it was a “gift” that god gave them.
Eeehh, that would be a clean out for their inhumane behavior I'm not willing to afford them. Interesting, though.
Sounds more like a curse than a gift tbh.
That viral celebrity face distortion video looks a lot like what was shown. It’s the one where you look at a crosshair in between a series of different celebrity photos. After a short time, the celebrity faces in your peripheral start to warp
I may or may not have PMO but there are days where people are strange, especially strangers, faces look ugly, when I'm alone.
this video gonna go crazy
Saya No Uta?
thought the same thing
was about to comment this
I'm just absolutely fascinated by studies about brain damage affecting perception. I had a bad hit on the back of my head some years ago and for some months afterward, I had problems with right and left, North and South, East and West. A couple weeks after my fall, I had one of many appointments for my upcoming cataract surgeries, and at every appointment first question is which eye is being worked on. I sat there feeling confused and making R sounds, as my left hand moved up to tap under my left eye. It was the left eye being worked on, my mouth wanted to say right, but my hands knew which it was. I almost sent my mother the wrong direction on the interstate when she was driving me somewhere because I said North instead of South. I had to tell people if I was giving them directions, look at my hands, because my hands know what's what.
Thankfully that did fade over the course of the year, because it was very annoying and made me feel stupid.
I had seen a documentary where an Indonesian family, due to some genetic disorder, had their faces develop differently, it is quite interesting that the thumbnail looked almost identical to their faces.
Are we sure its not Muzan Kibutsuji?
it's called being an evangelical christian
I remember this being on those crazy TikToks talking about the eclipse being the end of the world.
New fear unlocked 😱
Thanks a lot