My neighbors working Great Pyrenees livestock guardian dog keeps coming to my house to help me and my dog feed the horses and go for walks. She is always welcome here. I am the property adjacent to hers and she started coming around when my health got bad. I really feel like she has come to protect and watch over us.
Ours did that with our neighbors as well. He added them to his guarding perimeter. They were so in love with our Max. He just passed. He lived well past his breeds average.
would adding conductive grease where my GPS fence collar sits to make the shock more effective? We have four GPs who just entered adolescence and want to roam. Their fur is so thick I am not sure it affects them much.
Great video, thank you! What are your thoughts on acquiring a LGD a couple weeks before you get your sheep? Is this in any way detrimental because of the dog having no animals to bond with for 1-2 weeks…? Thank you
I would get the livestock first and then the dog. Have the breeder keep your pup a little longer as long as they have it with livestock. Weeks are like months in a puppies brain development. They need to be bonding to livestock from 5 -14 weeks of age. If they are not bonded during that time, it could lead to roaming and other issues later in life.
Hi I just found your channel, I just got a rescued Great Pyrenees, who is 14 months old. He is intact.He was kept with goats and has shown food aggressive and water aggressive ( resource guarding). The previous owners did not teach him much. I also have another male Pyrenees I raised from a puppy he's 2 years old and still intact., and is a great guardian, I can trust him even with our pet rabbits. I have a date to neuter the new male, because he is always trying to test my older male. and since I'm not wanting to use him for breeding, I thought it might help him settle down. Is this a good age to do this? I think he will be a good dog once we get the resource guarding under control,.I haven't seen him chase the sheep as of yet. Just aggression with food, water... and towards my other male.. Any advice would be great Thanks
In the case of working Maremmas (i.e. Abruzzo), they are not supposed to work singly but in a team. This team consists of 3 or 4 siblings left to grow up together and therefore able to play among themselves without being tempted to go for the sheep. As soon as pups are weaned place them with sheep and the whole matter clicks into place spontaneously. They first have to bond with the sheep and only later learn to socialize for what is strictly necessary with humans (they cannot be at the same time pets or family dogs). From then on for the rest of their lives never separate them from their own flock. The working Maremma (i.e. Abruzzo) is not trained for its job but conditioned because the correct behavior is already there in its genes: trustworthy, protective, and attentive. A pure-bred working Maremma (i.e. Abruzzo) conditioned properly has never been known to harm or kill the sheep in its custody.
Yes. My house is guarded by a Caucasian who loves our home and family. People claim you can't keep a Caucasian in the house, you absolutely can. Just raise them that way and they will guard you. Maremma can be used as a property guard dog. @@loudloveen
That's what I'm currently doing. I have a 10 week old Mareema and 14 acres. No livestock. I want her to be a guardian for me and my home@@saltyprepper5513
Sometimes it seems to me they'll dig just to burn calories at that age, tire themselves out. More exercise can reduce digging. My adult Anatolian female will dig frickin elaborate dens, and mounds to sit on so she can see better, if I let her. She is an I credibly efficient excavator. If they're doing that, possibly a big dog house with a platform on top would help a little with digging.
In the video you stated that you didn't remember the brand of "shock collar" you use. Which is it? The one I tried did not give a correction when I applied. It ended up allowing the bad behavior without correction! I compounded my problem. Please share the brand you used. Thanks!
We have been using the Invisible Fence Brand system on 6 pastures of 100-200+ acres in size for about 2 years now. We have also been testing the SpotOn Fence system. Both have pros and cons. The SpotOn Fence company is actively working with us to make improvements to their collar. A special LGD collar should be available sometime next year.
These are not house dogs or yard dogs There farm or ranch dogs for protection of livestock City folks don’t need these dogs period, they must be raised and live with livestock period 😊 Sorry it’s the truth
this is God sent. just today i am losing my mind. my pyrenees/akbash started being a total asshole 🙉🙈 at about 13 months. today he killed and ate chicken and was really aggressive towards me if i approached him about it. i did get him to leave it, but he has still been super protective of it all morning. and he barks and nips at the horses now! he never did that before!! i am really freaking out. i wish i could actually send him to a training program. (i am in southern colorado) i just have a small farm with poultry and am getting goats soon. he is such a really good dog - and then - goodness its stressful.
There are no LGD training programs that I know of that take outside dogs to train. Sounds like your LGD is in the "teenage months." Extra supervision and corrective measures are needed immediately to stop these behaviors. Chickens are one of the hardest animals to bond a dog to, and some say they really don't bond, only accept the chickens. If he isn't fixed yet, I would do that immediately. Yes, I know about the large breed stuff online, but that wasn't research done on LGDs. While LGDs are large breeds, they have specific issues that must be addressed. Having LGDs fixed at 10-12 months of age helps decrease roaming, resource guarding, and aggression. Once fixed it will take 30-60 days for his hormones to level out. In the meantime, I would recommend an electric training collar. Invirox is a good one that is inexpensive and has a good range on it. Just make sure that the dog does not see you when the shock happens. Otherwise, he will correlate you with the shock. Then he will either be scared of you, or he will only be good when you are around.
thank you so much!! i do have an e collar, but i never use it cuz i just cant get it on him with all that fur. he is the smartest and most sensitive dog i have ever had - even smarter than my border collie was. he totally knows whats up w the collar😂 it helps me so much just knowing about the adolescent phase thing! it didnt freak me out that he killed the chicken - i mean, i know we have to learn these things. it really scared me when he was so aggressive in guarding it. his is possessive of bones and skeletons he finds, but never never like that - i guess he felt it was a really really special thing. oh yes he was neutered at 6months and he is now 15 months. but anyways- thank you so much for the video and for taking the time to respond to me! i will do my best and not lose faith in him. he is such a good good dog.
Several years ago I had one that was like that, I tied the chicken around his neck and he ran trying to get it off, after 4 hours I took it off and he never touched other chicken ever 😊
Yes, you should be able to rebond them to goats. But understand that if the dog is past the 5-14-week timeline, the bond will never be as strong, and it may cause the dog to guard a neighbor's group of sheep instead.
Ideally you have multiple adult LGDs to help with the correcting. And correct they will. Pyrs and Anatolian dogs and Caucasian Ovcharkas and such are not behaviorally _identical._ Info about the differences would be interesting.
They learn faster with grown LGDs and by 8 months there very good at protecting goats and chickens If a puppy eats or attacks a chicken the older dogs will roll him for it after a few times he knows
I have a lgd she is about 8 months old. We got her for the goats and she hates them. We got her at 8 weeks old and she has always hid from them. We gave her a break and now she only goes in the barn at night but she does not want to be in with them. The first day we intorduced them one of the goats headbutted her. I 100% realize this was my fault. We should have intoduced them differently. It was a noob mistake. But my dog wont forgive them and wont have anything to do with them. Now the goats dont seem to mind her but she will sit jn to corner and not move when she is out with them. I feel like that one time ruined my dog. Can i fix this? I have tried sitting out with her and the goats, i have tried just leaving her with the goats i have tried giving her some time where she can see them but not be in the same pen. I just don't know what to do. Now she barks at them like they are the bad guy. We do put her in with them rvery night when they are calm and sleepy and she stays but is not happy about it. How do i help her get over this? Other than that and some chicken chasing (we are working kn that) she is a great dog. She will be a good farm dog if she doesnt get over it but i would like her to not be scared of the goats.
When you got her as a pup was she timid and hiding away from the rest of the pups? If so, she is always going to be timid towards anything she encounters and will not make a good LGD. When picking a LGD pup you should always pick the pups that come up to investigate you, but then leave after a few minutes. I would not allow her to be away from the livestock at any point. She needs to be in the same area as they are 24 hours a day. She should be feed with them also, but away from the direct area they are in so that food aggression does not start. Does she show any signs of being a guardian? Does she bark at strange things? Does she patrol the area she is in, and scent mark it? If she shows these signs, she will make a LGD still. If not, then she is going to be a farm guardian or maybe just a good pet instead. About 30% of LGDs do not make the cut so she may be in that percentage. I would encourage you to look at the factsheets on our website if you end up needing another LGD to guard your goats. I have lots of good information there about picking and starting pups. Also, she will be starting the "teenage months" soon and may start behaviors like chewing, chasing, lots of barking, digging, etc. You need to sternly correct those behaviors immediately before they get out of hand. I have more information on here and our website to deal with those behaviors. Get her fixed by 10-11 months of age so that roaming doesn't start when she comes into heat, or you will have a huge problem on your hands.
@tamulivestockguarddog she was curious about the goats and was going up to them to sniff/nose them when the goat headbutted her. She does bark at things she thinks are a threat is she is not in with the goats. She barks at the amazon driver when they drop off packages. She just doesn't like to goats. She was calm but willingly went to check out the kids when we got home. She thinks she is tough except with the goats. I will try keeping her in with them 100% of the time for a while and see if this helps. Maybe we let her spend too much time with us. The goats are close enough to the house that I can see them out the window. So I can correct any bad behavior.
@@GenetryHomesteadLGD should never be with human's full time unless you want a pet. They need to be with livestock all the time. That may be part of the problem. Leave her with the goats for at least 2 weeks and see how she does. Feed her with them and only give positive reinforcement to her with the goats. LGDs are hardy dogs. Our pups go out to pens at 8 weeks of age and only see us 3-4 days a week for 15 minutes. They do just fine during cold weather as long as they have bedding and livestock to sleep with.
@tamulivestockguarddog I want to say thank you. I put her in with the goats 100% and only went out to feed her. It has been a week now, and she is doing better. Not loving the goats yet, but she did brk at something in the night, and even though she doesn't follow them into the pasture, yet she does sit in the barn where she can see them. Another week, and she will probably like them. The nanny was giving her a playful nudge the last time I went out to feed her so the goats at least like her. And she didn't shy away from the nudge. So, thank you for telling me to suck it up and put her with the goats full time.
@@GenetryHomestead You're welcome. I'm glad she is doing better. I know it is difficult to judge when the proper time is to turn them loose completely. I've found that it's sooner than we normally want to. LGDs work well independently and are smart dogs. Stubborn and hate change, but smart dogs.
My neighbors working Great Pyrenees livestock guardian dog keeps coming to my house to help me and my dog feed the horses and go for walks. She is always welcome here. I am the property adjacent to hers and she started coming around when my health got bad. I really feel like she has come to protect and watch over us.
Ours did that with our neighbors as well. He added them to his guarding perimeter. They were so in love with our Max. He just passed. He lived well past his breeds average.
@@deannfrey3469 I'm sorry to hear your dog passed. I believe she added us to her perimeter. 💯💜
This is excellent! thanks so much for taking the time to make this video.
would adding conductive grease where my GPS fence collar sits to make the shock more effective? We have four GPs who just entered adolescence and want to roam. Their fur is so thick I am not sure it affects them much.
This video is amazing thank you so freaken much for this
Right?
Great video, thank you!
What are your thoughts on acquiring a LGD a couple weeks before you get your sheep? Is this in any way detrimental because of the dog having no animals to bond with for 1-2 weeks…?
Thank you
I would get the livestock first and then the dog. Have the breeder keep your pup a little longer as long as they have it with livestock. Weeks are like months in a puppies brain development. They need to be bonding to livestock from 5 -14 weeks of age. If they are not bonded during that time, it could lead to roaming and other issues later in life.
Hi I just found your channel, I just got a rescued Great Pyrenees, who is 14 months old. He is intact.He was kept with goats and has shown food aggressive and water aggressive ( resource guarding). The previous owners did not teach him much.
I also have another male Pyrenees I raised from a puppy he's 2 years old and still intact., and is a great guardian, I can trust him even with our pet rabbits.
I have a date to neuter the new male, because he is always trying to test my older male. and since I'm not wanting to use him for breeding, I thought it might help him settle down.
Is this a good age to do this? I think he will be a good dog once we get the resource guarding under control,.I haven't seen him chase the sheep as of yet. Just aggression with food, water... and towards my other male..
Any advice would be great
Thanks
Did you already get your question answered on Facebook?
@@tamulivestockguarddog not yet.
In the case of working Maremmas (i.e. Abruzzo), they are not supposed to work singly but in a team. This team consists of 3 or 4 siblings left to grow up together and therefore able to play among themselves without being tempted to go for the sheep. As soon as pups are weaned place them with sheep and the whole matter clicks into place spontaneously. They first have to bond with the sheep and only later learn to socialize for what is strictly necessary with humans (they cannot be at the same time pets or family dogs). From then on for the rest of their lives never separate them from their own flock. The working Maremma (i.e. Abruzzo) is not trained for its job but conditioned because the correct behavior is already there in its genes: trustworthy, protective, and attentive. A pure-bred working Maremma (i.e. Abruzzo) conditioned properly has never been known to harm or kill the sheep in its custody.
Very interesting! Would a Maremma be a good guard dog if raised indoors?
Yes. My house is guarded by a Caucasian who loves our home and family. People claim you can't keep a Caucasian in the house, you absolutely can. Just raise them that way and they will guard you. Maremma can be used as a property guard dog. @@loudloveen
That's what I'm currently doing. I have a 10 week old Mareema and 14 acres. No livestock. I want her to be a guardian for me and my home@@saltyprepper5513
Our pup just turned eight months. He digs a lot of holes!
Try placing his feces in the holes and filling them up as quick as possible.
Sooo many holes 🤣
To small of a pen, they need 5 to 10 acres to grow
Sometimes it seems to me they'll dig just to burn calories at that age, tire themselves out. More exercise can reduce digging.
My adult Anatolian female will dig frickin elaborate dens, and mounds to sit on so she can see better, if I let her. She is an I credibly efficient excavator. If they're doing that, possibly a big dog house with a platform on top would help a little with digging.
In the video you stated that you didn't remember the brand of "shock collar" you use. Which is it? The one I tried did not give a correction when I applied. It ended up allowing the bad behavior without correction! I compounded my problem. Please share the brand you used. Thanks!
www.amazon.com/INVIROX-Collar-Levels-Training-Remote/dp/B0BW98SKVZ
What do you use for your invisible fence?
We have been using the Invisible Fence Brand system on 6 pastures of 100-200+ acres in size for about 2 years now. We have also been testing the SpotOn Fence system. Both have pros and cons. The SpotOn Fence company is actively working with us to make improvements to their collar. A special LGD collar should be available sometime next year.
@@tamulivestockguarddog do you have a link?
These are not house dogs or yard dogs
There farm or ranch dogs for protection of livestock
City folks don’t need these dogs period, they must be raised and live with livestock period 😊
Sorry it’s the truth
@@philliphall5198 mine are all working thanks.
Thank you for this. I learned so much
Very helpful! Thank you!!
this is God sent. just today i am losing my mind. my pyrenees/akbash started being a total asshole 🙉🙈 at about 13 months. today he killed and ate chicken and was really aggressive towards me if i approached him about it. i did get him to leave it, but he has still been super protective of it all morning. and he barks and nips at the horses now! he never did that before!! i am really freaking out. i wish i could actually send him to a training program. (i am in southern colorado) i just have a small farm with poultry and am getting goats soon. he is such a really good dog - and then - goodness its stressful.
There are no LGD training programs that I know of that take outside dogs to train. Sounds like your LGD is in the "teenage months." Extra supervision and corrective measures are needed immediately to stop these behaviors. Chickens are one of the hardest animals to bond a dog to, and some say they really don't bond, only accept the chickens. If he isn't fixed yet, I would do that immediately. Yes, I know about the large breed stuff online, but that wasn't research done on LGDs. While LGDs are large breeds, they have specific issues that must be addressed. Having LGDs fixed at 10-12 months of age helps decrease roaming, resource guarding, and aggression. Once fixed it will take 30-60 days for his hormones to level out. In the meantime, I would recommend an electric training collar. Invirox is a good one that is inexpensive and has a good range on it. Just make sure that the dog does not see you when the shock happens. Otherwise, he will correlate you with the shock. Then he will either be scared of you, or he will only be good when you are around.
thank you so much!! i do have an e collar, but i never use it cuz i just cant get it on him with all that fur. he is the smartest and most sensitive dog i have ever had - even smarter than my border collie was. he totally knows whats up w the collar😂
it helps me so much just knowing about the adolescent phase thing! it didnt freak me out that he killed the chicken - i mean, i know we have to learn these things. it really scared me when he was so aggressive in guarding it. his is possessive of bones and skeletons he finds, but never never like that - i guess he felt it was a really really special thing. oh yes he was neutered at 6months and he is now 15 months. but anyways- thank you so much for the video and for taking the time to respond to me! i will do my best and not lose faith in him. he is such a good good dog.
Several years ago I had one that was like that, I tied the chicken around his neck and he ran trying to get it off, after 4 hours I took it off and he never touched other chicken ever 😊
Thank you so much for the information.
Glad it was helpful!
If you buy a dog that has been with sheep can you switch them to goats with same type of training?
Yes, you should be able to rebond them to goats. But understand that if the dog is past the 5-14-week timeline, the bond will never be as strong, and it may cause the dog to guard a neighbor's group of sheep instead.
@@tamulivestockguarddog oh wow that does make sense. Thank you so much!
Ideally you have multiple adult LGDs to help with the correcting. And correct they will.
Pyrs and Anatolian dogs and Caucasian Ovcharkas and such are not behaviorally _identical._ Info about the differences would be interesting.
They learn faster with grown LGDs and by 8 months there very good at protecting goats and chickens
If a puppy eats or attacks a chicken the older dogs will roll him for it after a few times he knows
I have a lgd she is about 8 months old. We got her for the goats and she hates them. We got her at 8 weeks old and she has always hid from them. We gave her a break and now she only goes in the barn at night but she does not want to be in with them. The first day we intorduced them one of the goats headbutted her. I 100% realize this was my fault. We should have intoduced them differently. It was a noob mistake. But my dog wont forgive them and wont have anything to do with them. Now the goats dont seem to mind her but she will sit jn to corner and not move when she is out with them. I feel like that one time ruined my dog. Can i fix this? I have tried sitting out with her and the goats, i have tried just leaving her with the goats i have tried giving her some time where she can see them but not be in the same pen. I just don't know what to do. Now she barks at them like they are the bad guy. We do put her in with them rvery night when they are calm and sleepy and she stays but is not happy about it. How do i help her get over this? Other than that and some chicken chasing (we are working kn that) she is a great dog. She will be a good farm dog if she doesnt get over it but i would like her to not be scared of the goats.
When you got her as a pup was she timid and hiding away from the rest of the pups? If so, she is always going to be timid towards anything she encounters and will not make a good LGD. When picking a LGD pup you should always pick the pups that come up to investigate you, but then leave after a few minutes. I would not allow her to be away from the livestock at any point. She needs to be in the same area as they are 24 hours a day. She should be feed with them also, but away from the direct area they are in so that food aggression does not start. Does she show any signs of being a guardian? Does she bark at strange things? Does she patrol the area she is in, and scent mark it? If she shows these signs, she will make a LGD still. If not, then she is going to be a farm guardian or maybe just a good pet instead. About 30% of LGDs do not make the cut so she may be in that percentage. I would encourage you to look at the factsheets on our website if you end up needing another LGD to guard your goats. I have lots of good information there about picking and starting pups. Also, she will be starting the "teenage months" soon and may start behaviors like chewing, chasing, lots of barking, digging, etc. You need to sternly correct those behaviors immediately before they get out of hand. I have more information on here and our website to deal with those behaviors. Get her fixed by 10-11 months of age so that roaming doesn't start when she comes into heat, or you will have a huge problem on your hands.
@tamulivestockguarddog she was curious about the goats and was going up to them to sniff/nose them when the goat headbutted her. She does bark at things she thinks are a threat is she is not in with the goats. She barks at the amazon driver when they drop off packages. She just doesn't like to goats. She was calm but willingly went to check out the kids when we got home. She thinks she is tough except with the goats. I will try keeping her in with them 100% of the time for a while and see if this helps. Maybe we let her spend too much time with us. The goats are close enough to the house that I can see them out the window. So I can correct any bad behavior.
@@GenetryHomesteadLGD should never be with human's full time unless you want a pet. They need to be with livestock all the time. That may be part of the problem. Leave her with the goats for at least 2 weeks and see how she does. Feed her with them and only give positive reinforcement to her with the goats. LGDs are hardy dogs. Our pups go out to pens at 8 weeks of age and only see us 3-4 days a week for 15 minutes. They do just fine during cold weather as long as they have bedding and livestock to sleep with.
@tamulivestockguarddog I want to say thank you. I put her in with the goats 100% and only went out to feed her. It has been a week now, and she is doing better. Not loving the goats yet, but she did brk at something in the night, and even though she doesn't follow them into the pasture, yet she does sit in the barn where she can see them. Another week, and she will probably like them. The nanny was giving her a playful nudge the last time I went out to feed her so the goats at least like her. And she didn't shy away from the nudge. So, thank you for telling me to suck it up and put her with the goats full time.
@@GenetryHomestead You're welcome. I'm glad she is doing better. I know it is difficult to judge when the proper time is to turn them loose completely. I've found that it's sooner than we normally want to. LGDs work well independently and are smart dogs. Stubborn and hate change, but smart dogs.
My lgd is amount 3 mo old ,and I have a 8 week old and there aggravate a baby goat how do I get him to quit
Put them in a pen with a mature Billie or a cranky old nannie. They won't tolerate that behavior from the pups.