$3,000 for new CV shafts?!? CAR WIZARD saves customer serious $$$ on this '93 Porsche 993 Carrera
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- Can new CV Shafts really cost $3,000 on this 1993 Porsche 993 Carrera? The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ explains how they can be that much or more and when it's time to rebuild or replace CV Shafts.
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Car is 1995. 993.
If a brake pad ware sensor causes “grief”
Introduce them to someone who has lost a loved one in a car accident.
@@fastinradfordable ? The brakes were replaced. This was just the sensor that wouldn’t turn off even after being replaced.
Awesome car. I've never done CV's on a Porsche so this was a fun video.
That's a 100 grant car with the 6-speed
993’s seem to be the holy grail now, other than a 2.7 RS, as last of the air-cooled. Don’t know about in the US, but prices here in the UK have rocketed. A work colleague of mine in the early 2000’s had one those in exactly the same blue colour.
I am a retired mechanic and glad to see you don't rip people
back in 1990 replaced a Porsche CV Joint that was clicking. It was about $65 or $130 (not sure now). that was for a 944 Turbo. Easy to change, the Axle shaft had a VW-Audi stamp on it..........so today say $500 parts (4 CV joints) and labor, that seems within reason
I rebuilt several shafts in the old days. From my recollection, it was Toyota that started the idea of not selling rebuild kits and only selling complete shafts when the boots died. I remember getting in an 81 AMC Eagle and 81 Toyota Camry with torn boots. With the AMC it was $14 for boot kits for both front axles. No one made boot kits for the Toyota and we had to replace both shafts at $225 for both sides, The owner of the Toyota was not a happy camper. He called Toyota and they told him they had seen too much problems with people replacing the boots improperly and then having the CV joints fail completely. This was probably due to fact that too many shade tree mechanics not taking the time to properly evaluate the joints, clean them, and grease them properly before installing the boots.
Mizz Wizz never misses an opportunity to teach! It's in her DNA.
A girl got in my 911 and said, "nice Volkswagon" and I thanked her for the compliment. 31 years later, we're still together.
Lucky man
You and the porsche?
I call them 6 cylinder VW's myself......😁
@@ericbrandt829 $90K Corvair! :)
If she says “souped up VW”, I say “get out”
When I started in the dealership in the early '70's, we almost never replaced axle assemblies unless damaged in an accident or some other unusual circumstance.
With inexpensive axle assemblies manufactured in low cost countries, it doesn't make much sense to rebuild axle shafts, though, in my opinion many of these assemblies are of so-so quality and the original equipment joints often are longer lasting. On my own vehicle, I replaced my joints with original German made joints. But, it's hard to argue when World Pack will see complete axle assembles for $45-70 each for many vehicles.
@TableRocked Can confirm that the cheap aftermarket shafts for, say, a MkIV VW are a FAR cry from OEM original. Aftermarket axles are cheap for a reason. If you take the original and set it next to a Chinese-made replacement, the differences in quality are immediately visible, even without taking the boots off.
Factory VW CV joints tend to last as long as the boots stay intact (as long as the suspension geometry hasn't been wildly altered, and you haven't massively increased engine power output). I have an '02 TDI that racked up close to 300k miles on it, and the CV joints were perfectly fine... unfortunately the boots were so brittle, I managed to split them open while I was replacing the clutch. Based on prior experience, I knew I wanted OE-quality shafts, but at $400+ a side from VW, that wasn't really an option. Luckily an outfit in Florida ("Raxles") rebuilds and sells OEM shafts for a lot cheaper than new, and so far I've been extremely pleased with the result. And after the core refund, still very reasonably priced. However, they *only accept OEM axles* as cores... again because the aftermarket crap is just that: crap.
And the previous experience I mentioned? That was several years ago, when I purchased a 1.8T Jetta wagon, which, after purchasing, I realized had a split CV boot. A local shop ended up putting aftermarket axles on it (because I knew no better), and at least one side only lasted about 20k miles before it started clunking.
I can't say much about aftermarket options for other makes. So it may not be a universal truth across everything. But I would avoid aftermarket axles like the plague for any VAG product, absolutely.
@@dphoenix1 Just working in a bicycle shop for a summer, we had to routinely replace the ball bearings in everything from overseas as part of the assembly process. We didn't even tell the customer. The originals were simply defective and made out of obviously recycled steel. We had so many warranty issues that since we had to pack and assemble the bearings as part of the process, we just had a couple of bins with several thousand of the two main sizes. Toss the originals, put the new ones in. Just to save ourselves the extra work and headaches. And that was for bicycles. It's even worse for vehicles. $40 barely covers the cost of properly made bearings of that size.
As dphonenix has stated, the quality of OEM CV joints/stub axle assemblies is usually superior to the inexpensive axle assemblies sold by most parts operators.
A GKN/Lobro CV joint part by itself will usually sell for more than the entire axle assembly from an after market company. And that's before you even add for the CV boot kit and the labor to replace the joint.
In some cases, certain firms will rebuild/refurbish the joint and/or an axle assembly where the parts are no longer available or are extremely expensive. For most people they can't understand why they should spend $300+ for an OEM assembly vs an aftermarket part that I can sell to them for $80-125 for most vehicles. (That includes my margin)
The truth is that unless the boot has an ultra small leak of grease, you can't just put a new boot on it with grease and let it go. I take the joint off, clean it and exam it for pitting in the surface of the roller ball or the surface that the ball bearing rides against. Even if just started to leak grease, in my experience, 50% of the time it needs a new joint.
This is not to say that all aftermarket parts are of poor quality, especially in the area of brake parts. Cheap rotors can crack or warp, pads wear out fast or separate from the backing plate etc. But, some pads and rotors are of superior quality to OEM parts. You pay your money and make your choice.
Pulling a Clarkson there with that Beetle comment. Haha!
It is or better Beetle is a Porsche and both are basically a copy of Tatra
If anything he is mechanical stiggs great nephew.
Hitlermobile
Car Wizard - the mechanic who won't give you the shaft... unless you need one.
Thiccc and girthy shaftt you mean!? ;)
Do you mean he doesn't give a shaft?
Don't forget to grease the shaft
Wish there was more mechanics like the wizard. Honesty is a big thing for me when getting my vehicle repaired. Keep up the great work.✌🏼
I used to do tons of those on VW Golfs in Germany. Also it’s a lot of fun when you have the CV joint rebuilt and put on the shaft and realize the cv boot is still in the box. 😬😳
Dear Car Wizard you are a sincere and honest auto -technician! Greetings from Pretoria South Africa.
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Petoria lol family guy reference
Mrs Wizard: “you mean he doesn’t want to look like you and be bald?” Lol wrecked.
If you don't have a local wizard, you can ship your Porsche's CV shafts to CV of Ocala for a rebuild.
Rebuilding one is not necessarily a pro-only job, although it's not for beginners.
I ran a D.W. warehouse for Heating/Cooling, C.V. shafts, Rack & Pinions. Technically they are called "Half Shafts" and you can send them off to Powerline in Robuck,S.C. to have them rebuilt ( as long as the cages aren't broke) last set of Porsche 911 half-shafts I sent off were $129.95 each- My price- Let alone $3,000.00 for a set.
@@danielscott6787 My take on the "ship out for a rebuild"....When I helped build "off road" buggy's" with 930 hardware....We marked CV assemblies...inner/outer and LH/RH to make sure they went back in the way they were installed for new...same for the axles they went back the same way they came out...The metal takes a "set" from all the forces and you don't want to mix things up...I'm pretty sure these rebuild shops aren't taking the same precautions....Might be fine for a non HP application but, 930 Turbo? I'm putting them in the way the were stressed to prevent failure!
10:50 Today I watched Mrs. Wizard refuse the Car Wizard's balls because they were too slimy.
Kudos, Wizard! I don't know of any other shop that would do the proper thing and get their hands dirty to save the customer parts costs. I'm only a lowly bike mechanic, but my mantra is always "rebuild before replacing" if possible. Good on ya! Thanks for tellin' 'em how it's done, Mr. and Mrs. Wizard!✌️❤️🙂🇨🇦
Nice one wizard. This is what I like, oily bits and pieces and a description of the repair😀
Great stuff.
I bought the special pliers you need to tighten the clamps on new CV boots back in the mid-90’s. Used it once, and it’s taken up space in my toolbox ever since.
Yeah , I have one too .
i had a hyundai santa fe, had a torn boot (diesel smell in the cab on a gas engine was the only clue that something was wrong). since it was still under hyundai warranty, they make the dealership rebuild the cv shaft instead of do the 30 minute pull & replace and give the car back to the owner. think that is so stupid when it cost the dealership much more on the labor for the rebuild than to just replace the whole shaft. not the reason i got rid of that car, the seat was killing my back. own a dodge grand caravan now and i love it.
Yea... what the HELL is the deal with parts showing available online, then after you order them, it's "oh sorry, those are out of stock". WELL THEN WHYYYYY ARE THEY ONLINE??
...so true
Once you've paid for them and they have the money....you can wait...it doesn't cost them to wait...they can supply..it just won't be quick...they have the use of your money for all of the wait time....because they don't pay until the part is delivered to them...
Reputable suppliers generally don't do this. I buy from FCP Euro and Rockauto (stick to the good brands though). Wizard was on Rockauto.com btw. I have no connection to them.
April fool's guys! I knew that wasn't a VW, it's obviously a 69 Toyota Tacoma.
The price of those late 60s Tacomas is skyrocketing these days.
when wizard asked mrs wizard if she wanted any of those balls I thought she should have said no I got yours😆
The 'those are slimey' comment :)
Mrs wizard is a classy woman. Dont think you will get a snarky comment from her... let alone on camera. Her kids watch the videos.
Really, really good tip about checking parts availability. Even I just being a guy working on my cars and my friends' cars have learned that lesson the hard way. Working on a rare older car often makes for a struggle finding parts, you expect this, but even more normal cars can run into problems. I was amazed how it was impossible to find a crank pulley holder for a Toyota once in stock anywhere in town. Ended up renting a Mazda/Ford one that could be made to work. I don't start work anymore until I have everything in my hands. Too much heartache and wasted time in the past!
You are exactly correct this is a variant of a Volkswagen Beetle. The Volkswagen Beetles were built by Ferdinand Porsche. And all of these rear engine vehicles are variations of that exact car.
Tech tip. On those new boots on those half shafts. Take some 303 protectant. Soak those half shaft boots quite liberally and let it soak in. If the owner will spray those with the 303 whenever he does and oil change. The will never care unless they're physically damaged by a foreign object. I doubt that they would ever come apart.
Great video Wizard. I've always had VW and done CV boots and joints on my Golfs. I've never had a Porsche but the DNA of VW runs through all of them.
I've done the fronts on a Mercedes W203 C280 4Matic, when the motor mounts die the engine sags and puts the inner CV boots at a bad angle and they will eventual tear. Did the mounts then did the half shafts, I order new/re-maned shafts and kept the originals ones new boots. Nice vid!
They look very similar to VW drive shafts. Very easy to rebuild. Great design from a mechanics viewpoint. Cheers Wizard
I’m late to the comment section, but
6:33
“We’ll check the pads. I really don’t need to cuz they’re brand new, but we’ll check.”
Brand new, excellent shape without a shadow of a doubt, but he checked them anyway. That’s the level of expertise and attention to detail I strive to have myself. ✊
3000$, i'd feel shafted.
I love your channel & your philosophy regarding your clients (and flogged Beemers)…You & The Ninja have the best 2 Vlogs on the web, daylight second….
Did CV reboot on outer shafts last weekend, $17 a boot, new shafts were $300 each. It's all in the cleaning cleaning cleaning.
When I change my oil in my car I always spray the CV boots with silicone spray I've got over 260,000 miles on my 2001 Chevy Cavalier with the original Factory axles
Any brand or type in particular?
@@orkoto6057 CRC or WD forty silicone spray.
Do you spray the whole thing or a specific part
@@supersnake6450 Just the rubber boots on the ends of the axle.
Over here in Belgium, when the boots (or a boot is) are torn , you won’t pass annual inspection.
1990 'Beetle' owner here. They are great cars for diy. Big Lego.
The left side front cooler is for the A/C, the right side is the oil cooler.
The oil lines for the cooler runs on the right side under the rocker panel, not inside the center tunnel.
And a final fun fact: Porsche 996 CV shafts are the same. You can probably get a whole car for $3K.
The Porsche G series gearbox CV shaft can be 'half-rebuild' at a relatively low cost, meaning that the inner cv joint can be replaced for around $100. The problem is the outer cv joint need a special tool to remove and install.
That Porsche has a beautiful paint color, it reminds me of the Nitewatch Blue metallic paint on the '79 Tbird I once had, that I really liked.
We had a customer with a rare MB station wagon with 4wd, and had to change a CV shaft. They wanted over 3 grand for it. so the customer settled for a second hand one, and we put it on his car. The customer was aware that we could not give him any warranty on the part, but we got it replaced and it is still running good, two years later.
Great show Mr. & Mrs. Wizzard. You guys really make this easy. Thanks for sharing.
Good video. Last summer you recommended to replace the CV shafts on whatever you were working on. I had an outside boot on my CS that was slinging a line of grease on the inside of my rear wheel (another way to ID a bad boot), so I was going to take your advice and replace the shaft. Holy crap they wanted $1K for the 1 shaft. I'm like your 993 owner who will do some DIY stuff but I didn't have the tools to rebuild an axle. Contacted my local indy and he would replace the boots for $300. No brainer.
We just need a buy this, not that video for Porsche's this afternoon, because the Car Wizard has numerous experience with these vehicles, including the Carrera, the Boxster, the Cayenne, etc. It is now the middle of May 2021. Thank you very much and good luck.
the wizard is a godsend, an example of what all shops should strive for
If I lived anywhere even remotely close I would try to give him business. Good people.
He's a good mechanic and good man, we may not agree on everything but what friends do?
I may or may not have lashed out in the past, but, I didn't actually hear the words from his lips, just hearsay. Forgive me Wizard.
Absolutely. That Porsche 993.2 is worth ~$75K. He should condition the leather seats or they will crack. The last air cooled Porsche 911 made. Labor rate now for Porsches in L.A. CA is now over $125 an hour. CHEAPSKATES try to buy the parts themself!!! And often the wrong parts. Don't buy aftermarket parts. Sheetmetal, too. Taiwanese body parts are junk.
I can kinda see why those units might be substantially more in cost: On the inner joint, most cars (the ones I had the pleasure of working on) have tripod inner joints, to slide in and out as the wheels are turned on 'wrong wheel drive cars (FWD ha)'. Rear wheel drive the shafts don't have any bearing on the supported load and the designs are sometimes totally different: Rzeppa outer to ball and cage inner and especially on front wheel drive, an intermediate shaft Cardan joint (usually on the passenger side.......) to equalize the torque load distribution on turbo cars or higher output motors to avoid torque steer. For the Caravan example, I'd expect to see unequal length configuration under there. That one has ball and cages on both ends and will drive the cost up to being just a beefier axleshaft. Same deal with parts: sometimes it's better to play dumb and call 'em with (hopefully) exact part numbers from the manufacturer crossref sheet. Lesson's the same: Put the time in and buy the correct part for your use case. Nice clarity as always David, always enjoy the demonstrated science on those halfshafts. Have a great weekend!
17:25 "Though within a natural habitat, the BMW is rarely seen within the Wizard's domain."
Car Wizard is getting his moneys worth from that haul of old AV tables!
Buyer beware - not all "new" CV shafts are created equal. The CV shafts in our H1's require the mating surface of the axle joint where it goes into the hub to be within very tight tolerances. A new CV half shaft from AM General can run upwards of $600. The same CV on Rockauto is listed as... $75. Problem is that during the remanufacturing process, that rebuilt "new" CV from Rockauto was turned down on a machine - and that mating surface is WAY out of spec. When its installed, it'll look like it fits and works just fine. but then you go down the road a couple miles and all of your hub oil will get sprayed out of the input seal, and then it will seize up hard and then you're looking at a brand new $4000 hub assembly.
Great video wizard ! Appreciate your honesty
Car Wizard , you always make your videos AFTER the repairs are completed. Can't you show us stuff before you fix it so we can see for ourselves what went wrong and what is involved in the repair?
Before and after footage would be far more educational instead of just seeing the end result. It would be nice to see the actual installation as well !
$3k is not a lot for a car like this. Imagine what it would cost at the dealer. Porsche dealer costs on my newer Porsches are getting close to the same as my Ferrari 355 if not more. People balk at $10k for a major on a 355 that you do every 5 years, try maintenance on a 991.
Yeah, but. The $42 axle complete with the CV joints is cheap Chinese crap that will soon wear out. Great if you are getting rid of your car, terrible if you care about it and need it to last.
The drivers front axel on my daughters Honda Fit broke, a new one was $68.00 and a hour of work. That was last year, this year a recall for the same problem
Those websites don't want everyone calling them about their inventory, but today it's necessary. They don't have the parts on stock, nor the techs to answer the phones!
So either the steel tube is unbelievable complicated to manufacture (so that it costs as much as the joints and gaskets combined) - or it is one of the rare occasions where spare parts are sold for a (comparably) decent price.
Just watched the video doing the brake job on the 260Z from 2018. ...OH MY ... Wizard presentation has improved 1000% . Too bad you didn't show car ...
I agree, I have rebuilt some and also replaced some. Biggest problem is finding a good source for axles.....any suggestions? Thanks....Jim
So how did he not notice the wear sensor wire was undone?
Replaced both of mine with rebuilt ones from driveshaft king...300 bucks each, ten yrs ago tho.
oh those online issues are infuriating, he is so right about that - there should be a law punishing companies running their cashflow on that - that beetle joke is tiring...
993 the best air cooled 911 series they built. I'd love one but too expensive now.
Wizard, am I the only person on this planet who figured out that spraying all the boots with Armorall once a year will make them last forever? Just like all the other "rubber" seals and parts on the car?
Ha - you're not alone !! .. although I use 303 aerospace..
Windshields as well. They will never crack and last forever. Cheap moisturiser for vinyl roofs and dashboards.
Windshield rubbers 😁
Backorder misery is everywhere, not just automotive parts. As mentioned, beware of who you buy from online if it says "in-stock". If it's urgent enough, call before you order for on hand inventory not already sold.
There's a lot to be said for the UK annual MOT for cars over 3 years old, split boots and other such maladies get picked up and handed to you on a certificate....
That’s dumb, some states require annual inspections
I get the same report from the mechanic for free. They want me to pay for the repair, so they look for broken items.
One of the fastest cars in NFS Heat. It's great with Rauh-Welt wide body kit. RWB is awesome.
Unreal, why did these boots split,unlike in a front wheel drive car they hardly have to do any flexing,just poor quality material.
I owned an import repair shop for 40 years and it was always the German cars that came in with split axle boots,seldom the Japanese ones!
I hope Wizard got an apology from the person that couldn't take his word for it on a new CV v re-build.
Except if he pays Wizard to rebuild it, they won't fail in two years like a crappy rebuild.
5:10 The FR holds the OIL heat exchanger.. The FL holds the HVAC heat exchanger.
Up on top, deep into the dungeons, you'll find the ballast resistors. Ask me how I know.
Wizard is the 3.8l supercharged GM engines good? Reliability
Car guys all know they are, just gotta watch out to make sure they've been maintained, normal oil leaks around valve covers and oil pan, and coolant hoses about the top of the engine are known to be brittle. Otherwise, they're stout engines.
few would BOTHER to tell their clients cheaper alternatives
I lost it when he asked his wife if she needed any balls...
I heard something about plastic headlamps being "recommended" or "encouraged" in newer cars because they are less likely to injure pedestrians in low-speed impacts but a recent search didn't turn up any regulations to that effect so maybe it's just internet hearsay. I still prefer glass assemblies, myself.
As for CV axles, it's kind of tricky to figure out exactly where the noise is coming from to find the exact fault, especially if the boots aren't damaged. Usually if the noise isn't present except under load when turning, it's an outer joint that's failing. If it's clicky while going straight without much change when turning, it's probably an inner joint failing. I have an Italian car with similar CV axles to this Porsche and it too needs some joint service (sounds like there's an air hammer in there, likely an inner joint). Unlike most other cars, these also appear to be designed to be serviced rather than replaced as an assembly, which is nice if you can get the individual parts. I also like not having to drain the transaxle/diff when removing the axles, but such an arrangement can make it difficult to replace the shaft seals. Win some, lose some, I suppose.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if both car's shafts came down the same Chinese assembly line. There's a lot of "Porsche tax" on those shafts
Nice to see Wizard's new Bendpak's in the background! Looks like you're making good use of them already.
"Pull my hair out!" ROFLMAO!!!
Hey Wizard & Mrs Wizard, happy April Fools Day!!! Great video as always, 👍👍👍😋
Moral of the Story? Check rubber parts, every oil change?
Like alternator belt, CV & steering boots, rad & brake hoses, wipers, tires, door seals?
These items are on a service check list, anyway? Silicon spray is said to be good. But Not on the brake pedal rubber :)
There's words out there, that Armorall causes embrittlement? At least on vinyl?
Boat videos
Go find a boat youtuber lol... This is a CAR channel.
@@johnl3230 but he has a yacht and works on it and has video of it
If I could help The Car Wizards rebuild the CV axles on the Porsche 993 I would roll up the Wool-o and get all schmoked up.
Thanks for your honesty!!
Just replaced 2 torn CV boots on my A5. A bit of a mess but way cheaper than replacing the shafts.
These 964's and 993's were so expensive to make that Porsche hardly made any money on them. They have a bank vault doors and everything is overengineered and built without cost limitations. When Boxter and 996 came out only then Porsche was starting to make serious profits. Nothing wrong with those cars but they weren't built like the old ones. Same happened to Mercedes after W140 S-class. The successor W220 was much cheaper made. So that's another reason why everyone wants these old air cooled Porsches. They are superb quality.
I would literally travel with my precious from Europe to have it fixed here !
Whoa I didn't know they were still air cooled in 95
Final year
The wizard got me good on that one LOL
I wish I could find a car wizard near Nashville. Great video.
Decent mechanic in Fairview Tennessee. Forgot his name. I left there several years ago.
Porsche and Corvette are the middle age douche cars, then the rich folks buy the Tesla and Range Rover how original. If I had money I would not be driving those.
Agreed
I look around under my vehicles every time I do oil changes and grease stuff.. at least twice a year.
The entire shaft guys!
At 13:28 ...
There is no need to put a car on a lift to inspect the boots. Just turn the steering wheel all the way, switch off the engine and inspect with a mirror and flashlight. A torn booth is always covered with grease. That works fine for almost all (front-wheel drive) cars. For rear-wheel-driven cars, you park them on the curb and crawl under them.
The CV axles for my 2014 Honda Accord is $150 for both driver and passenger side, brand new lol.
Now granted it's not Honda OEM. That would about $1000 for two units.
Wizzard you are the kind of mechanic that most owners want, most mechanics now day doesnt want to rebuild parts even if its cheapper
On my old car that I changed them on 9t was 150 bucks for new ones 100 bucks to rebuild them. I spent the extra 50 cuz I'm lazy.
Car Wizard .... I always enjoy and learn from your great videos .... Thank you and Mrs. Car Wizard as well .
I replaced the CV joints on my old 2003 Hyundai Elantra GT. I paid about $110 per axle, however part of that was refunded as a core charge when I returned the bad axles to the parts store. Do you not get a core charge return for the old axles when you do CV joint replacements?
Car Wizard: What do you use to remove the grease that splattered all over the transmission?
You shouldn't have to ask for a mechanic to look a the CV boots. It should be part of the safety inspection during a oil change. The inspection is primarily to find other repairs that need to be done...and customer safety.
I read the title about Wizard saving owner thousands and the first thing that popped in my head is Wizard set his car on fire. 😂🤣😂
Wow that's a beautiful car my Lord I live seeing a time capsule
I love and watch all of your videos but I haven't heard any talk of the yacht in quite awhile???
Probably Rock Auto garbage Chinese shafts for $42.