CAR WIZARD, how long will my car last? What car makers plan for & owners expect is NOT the same!
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Wizard's correct. When I was a teen, I bought a beautiful '88 regal with 150K. Drove fine. Noticed the trans fluid was black, had it changed, and it killed the transmission.
And there you have it. Proof!!
So it's better to 'lifetime' not change it and keep it till it breaks at 300k then?
@@doom85249 the Wizard said to change the fluid before it reaches 100K miles. If it goes way over leave it alone.
@@doom85249 You wanna rotate the fluid and not just change it outright. 👌
There is a distinction between a flush vs. drain and refill. I'm a firm believer in the latter and I believe once vehicles get to higher mileage you should stay clear of any type of flush.
The most honest mechanic I've ever seen lol. Someone get this man a medal. Love your vids!
Most mechanics are pretty honest. Problem is not all mechanics are equally good. Some are absolutely awful.
Plus I can understand his English. There are other honest mechanics on RUclips but they either talk too fast or too cheesy, or talk with an accent. Or talk on & on without providing prices!!! How much does it cost??? If money were no object, we would all go to the authorized dealer s service dept. Oh wait, it's not just the money. They'll follow the stupid manual which might say oil change every 10k miles 🙄🙄🙄
Wizard says what I learned since owning a VW that the dealer told me to dump (trade in) and to replace coolant hoses at 5 years that lasted for 14 years 330,000 miles unlike what they told me. When I sold service I rubbed the owners wrong. I was too honest.
Scotty Kilmer is ... Wizard's a close 2nd.
@@ministryoftruth8588The car care nut is another one thought he mainly specialises in Toyota and Lexus.
Any time my dad hears "lifetime," like lifetime warranty, he always asks "WHOSE lifetime?"
Your dad's funny. And right!
Exactly!
Lifetime of a fruitfly
The seventy five years old engineer.
Typical dad joke...😂
Wizard that was spot on. I've been a Chrysler tech since 93. People have in their heads they don't have to do anything, and they are ruining their vehicles. It's been a losing battle. Now, with the car shortage, these people are screwing themselves even more. Most of our customers can't afford a new car at current prices. A actually just sent this video to my services manager to try and pound it into his head that the service writers need to try harder and sell maintenance.
We bought a new 2000 Intrepid with the infamous 2.7 V6. Since then, I must have read and heard a hundred times, "that was an awful car, with one of the worst engines built". Our experience was that it was a great, extremely reliable, durable car. I am no fan of the brand, and didn't want it in the first place, the wife did.
We had it for ten years, and 190K miles. It needed a water pump and a starter in that time. We then sold it to our independent repair shop. Those guys used it as a daily loaner for FIVE years, FIVE YEARS of abuse by hundreds of random drivers. Then it ended up with an elderly gentleman who drove it for a few more years. It had over 300K on it, with the original timing chain and transmission.
The "secret" to taking a widely hated "unreliable" vehicle and getting a great service life out of it? I changed the oil every five thousand miles. I used any brand of conventional oil, and most brands of cheap filters (except Fram, as their anti-drainback valves would fail, causing startup rattles) I also drained and refilled most other fluids in the car every 30K. This included coolant, transmission, brakes, and even the power steering every 100K. At nearing 200K and ten years, the car drove and felt new. At seventeen years of service life, it had over 300K miles and had been extremely durable, trouble free and cheap to own for all three owners.
I purchased a brand new Nissan Rogue Select back in 2015. Dealership sold the vehicle along with the lifetime oil change. The problem is that dealership did not last for a lifetime. Only a couple of years later the dealership’s ownership changed hand. The new owner would not honor the lifetime oil change. Their reason was because I never allowed them to perform anything else. I didn’t want to waste my life arguing. I started doing all the maintenance since then. Thanks to all the RUclips posts, I learned to do everything myself, including oil change, control arms replacement, and transmission fluid and filter replacement. Vehicle is still driving fine. I’m very grateful that there are honest specialists like Wizard out there posting valuable videos.
This happened to me too. I feel like I got my moneys worth but I’m still pissed because it was a big selling point. Now I do them myself.
That's the way it should be done, service your own vehicle and you know it is done right.
Many people neglect their vehicles, to many, and then they are shocked when something major fails them.
As a stubborn person anytime i see a sticker that says do not touch, it gets serviced first. I like to think someone at a finance company is crying that I went another day without a car payment.
Yup lol.
Right
Oh they ARE just watch one of Tim Dillon's videos about selling subprime mortgages before he started doing comedy. "Now sign this piece o' paper forhhhh CHRIST!!!!" 😂
I decided to have the transmission rebuilt in my 2007 Saturn Aura XR, 6T70, because paying $3800, is a lot better than paying for a new car, especially since the rest of the car is almost perfect. Us older folks don’t drive much and keep vehicles a long time. My next task for myself is to replace the timing chains and followers.
you could have literally either
a) bought and installed a used transmission for less than $1500
or
b) bought a used camry for that much money
@@realjordanbelfortbut you wont know for sure how long a used tranny will run, and a used camry will have a used tranny that also needs to be maintained. Rebuilding the trans refreshes its life with new components. Problem with most used vehicles is theyre not properly maintained.
@@realjordanbelfort haha good luck finding a used camry for 3800 these days that's worth a damn, I guarantee that saturn will last 2x longer than a cheap camry. They woulda easily bought themselves into more problems too, at the very least tires and brakes. Not to mention the 6t70 rebuild kits fix some design flaws and are a much better choice than a low miles stock one. It's better that rebuilt trans goes into a saturn that won't rust, most of them are going into junk Impala Limiteds that'll end up blown up and out of warranty within a year
My parents still drive the 2003 Saturn VUE the bought new. As long as they can keep finding the parts they'll keep fixing it and keep it running.
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This is part of why I am personally so in love with simpler vehicles such as those from the 90s and older. Things like the old cast iron pushrod engines were not as powerful as a modern complex unit, however they are much easier to work on and are inherently more robust due to their simplicity. Not to say there is anything inherently wrong with more modern cars, but personally I much prefer something I can easily maintain and repair myself without the need to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of specialty tools and equipment because the manufacturer felt it prudent to make things more difficult to do intentionally.
My 2002 tahoe has 284671 miles today , when I originally bought it 6 years ago I immediately did a flush of all fluids , oil , atf , gear oil , coolant , ect ... probably the smartest choice I made concerning maintaining the vehicle
nice, got a 2001 suburban with 178K, hopefully it lasts closer to what yours did. seems the tranny is the weak part on these vehicles?
@@akjohnny5997 Got a 2003 Citroën C5, with 300.000 KM (about 240.000 miles) and just had it fully serviced, all fluids changed, breakpads renewed, sparkplugs, etc etc, and i bet it good now for a other 50.000 KM or more.
Been looking for a brand new car, and after looking at several cars, ranging from every brand, up to 100k pricing, and i hated them all..
I like Cars, not mobile PC's that are harder to maintain as a full Semi Truck as everything is hidden and locked away, even one car needed a engine out job just to change the sparkplugs, just like the MB Mclaren SLR... Who comes up with such idioticy, those designers should be fired and never allowed to ever design a car.
Those were good vehicles.
@@arranchace1306 300.000km are only 186.411,4 miles.....
I've got an 02 Silverado with same drivetrain. Smart buy on your end and decision to service. Those vehicles are lifetime tanks as long as you do the service intervals. Rolled over 300k with original engine, runs like it did off the lot new. Just wish the transmission and transfer case was the same, but 270k and 300k on those is nothing to complain about either.
A little bit of maintenance now can save you from alot of repairs later. Excellent video Wizard!
Oil degrades we all know that. Here's something to remember....a big air compressor at a garage i worked at here in the UK had a sticker saying to maintain it yearly with new oil....it was 40yrs old!
@@tardeliesmagic i have a 200k miles Volvo XC70 with the 2,4 liter Turbo diesel and proper services has kept it alive and well. still has its original Asin 5speed transmission shifting good. i also have the Gasoline version as well and it too has its original trans at 200k.
A.K.A. _"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."_
@@tardeliesmagic
Bet it had a very good air intake filtraton system as well....
dirt will kill compressors and the OEM filter on domestic compressors are worse than useless.
Basically the message is simple.....change all the fluids on a regular proper schedule !
You're a brilliant and honest man. Finding a mechanic like you is like finding a good family doctor, IMPOSSIBLE. Thank you!
My wife and I own and drive regularly a 1980 Chevy El Camino SS with 225k miles and a 1985 Toyota FJ60 Land cruiser with 250k miles. They are both original equipment, orginal owners. The one thing they have in common is they are serviced by competent mechanics at the prescribed service intervals. The Wizard is correct, if you service and properly maintain a vehicle it can last a very long time.
Very true. My Chevy sonic 1.8L is my daily drive with 211000 miles and servicing is key. The nature of my job forces me to change out parts at "end of life" mileage intervals so I have a bunch of "good" used parts laying around. I use to do full syn oil /filter changes at 10,000 highway miles but at 150,000 miles it has dropped to 7,500 (stop and go) miles due to minor increase in blowby. At 350,000 it will be done at 6,500 miles. At 500,000 miles engine will be retired.
@@bobdeengineer7396 Oil changes should be done every 3,000 miles.
I am convinced people who drive high end vehicles Audi,BMW,Mercedes-Benz, DO NOT LOOK AFTER their cars but want to drive around looking rich .
@@georgevavoulis4758 They pay a high price for it. A $150,000 Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc. will be worth about the same thing as a $35,000 Honda Civic in 10 years, and will have had a lot more problems during that time.
I talked to my Toyota dealer and they said they don't like to change the transmission fluid and they trust the Toyota company recommendation of not changing it. When I questioned them about Toyota considering the life of the car to be through the end of the warranty, they didn't know what to say. I'm currently looking for a quality shop that will be willing to do this for me when I'm ready for it.
I recommend you check The car care nut's RUclips channel, there he debunks "for life" fluids, he used to work at a Toyota dealership and has a lot of advice for Toyota owners, also he runs an independent shop if you happen to live near Chicago
@@jfrodr YES.
Watched that video & my 22 RX will have the following:
Oil change: 6 months / 5000 miles
Radiator: 5 yrs / 50,000 miles
Transmission: 6 yrs / 60,000 miles
(it's stated lifetime, but replace anyway-you cannot easily check it, no dipstick)
Power Steering: 50,000 miles
Spark Plugs: 120,000 miles
I hope this information reaches many folks that believe replacing fluids is a waste of time and money
I had that argument with my Lexus dealer they were reluctant to service a transmission and rear differential axel claiming there’s no need
I have a dealer maintained 2015 Tundra with nearly 200k miles. You're right that the dealer said to never touch that Toyota tranny, not even a partial change. They said I'd need to sign a waiver if I insisted.
@@jfrodr That's a very good channel and I've been watching it for a while now. I've been wishing I lived close to his shop but sadly I don't.
I'm an old school driver, every 80.000km I service the automatic gearbox on my Range L322 DSE, the filter and oil are awful, and the magnet full of little debris. But I'm almost at 300,000 km and everything is working fine. According to Land Rover, I should never have intervened on the automatic gearbox...
Greetings from Italy, we love Car Wizard here too!
I think for non-car people it's really confusing because it's often said "follow the manufacturers recommendation" only to find out the manufacturer puts profits over the good of the customer.
Thank you for the PSA. I believe most people want to keep their cars as long as possible (I think) but it is a bit difficult to find that information sometimes. That deters many non-car people who are already probably busy with other things in their lives.
Appreciate your videos like always!
the Subaru CVT fluid 100% needs to be changed often, even though Subaru says not to. fluid is cheap, transmissions are not. never listen to manufacturers that say not to change fluids. they want the cars to fail after a certain time. the Lubeguard Complete CVT fluid works great and is way cheaper than OEM, plus it has anti shudder additives that really helps older CVTs. i just had a customer that was quoted several thousand to replace a shuddering TR690. i changed the fluid to the Lubeguard and he said it works perfect now with zero shudder.
Scotty Kilmer says the same thing. Fluid us cheap transmissions are expensive
Subaru of America (not Japan or Canada interestingly enough) says it's a "lifetime fluid"
Which is true enough of course, it lasts until the life of the trans is over.
I just ran into this on my '06 Nissan Murano. Back then, they claimed that the CVT was "sealed" and didn't require fluid changes.
I hate that I didn't do it. It's older car, but I loved it for several reasons.
It's actually waiting to be picked up right now with a trashed transmission.
I don't give a rats ass about SOA's warranty... my Subaru's CVT is getting a drain & fill at 50k...
Just use OEM fluid.
It's funny Subaru doesn't have a CVT fluid change for the US but it does for Canada, Japan, ect
My parents had an old 1997 Honda CRV 5mt. They had a great mechanic and they did routine maintenance religiously, it ran to 400000mi. We live in upstate NY, so eventually rust won out at nearly 20 years.
When they got rid of it, it still had it's first clutch.
Fantastic video! I am a believer in maintenance and skeptic of lifetime fluids. 3 cars in my garage. One with 157k miles, one at 166k miles and the third with 183k miles. 2003, 2007 and 2008 model years all maintained (including maintaining the paint by regular wash & wax) by me. I happen to be technician so I can do any repair my cars need. All three cars drive and look great. My expectation is for all of them to exceed 200k miles.
Why not hit a million miles on both? You can always change and buy a transmission & engine
LOL. At the rate I accumulate miles on these cars, I won’t live long enough to reach 1 million miles!
Stop being cheap and get newer cars with more modern safety features. Nobody cares how many miles you’ve put on your beaters.
@@zfunk9cars from 07 and 08 are beaters now? 😂 what is this spoiled world coming to?
Exactly. Prob why the younger guys I work with all have 20-30 thousand in credit card debt and wonder why they can't ever save any money. But they all have new cars lol@@theskyizblue2day431
I'm old school: Change the oil every 3,000-3,5000 miles, other fluids (including belts & hoses) when you reach 85-90% of expected life (per car manual), and wax 1-3x/year depending on geography. All should be good. All my cars have gone 160M+ - 250M+ miles. Didn't sell them because of mechanical/body/paint issues. Just wanted a change.
Mostly agree with two exceptions.
1: With CVT transmissions it is in my view a good idea to change the fluid at 30k, normal automatic at 60k, and planetary gear hybrid or EV at 100k, all with synthetic fluid of course.
2: With regard to timing chains, most well built engines will not need this service done IF the oil is changed every 5k miles. Do not follow any recommendations for 10k mile oil changes as that is how you cause wear. Timing chains do not stretch unless they get poor lubrication or(in the case of the 3.6) the engine is not designed correctly.
I had a 1988 Honda Civic, 5 speed - 468,000 miles when I sold it. We never changed the transmission fluid. Leaked oil like crazy, but kept on going and shifted gears quite nice. My brother had an old Chevy Chevette that made 600,000 miles. By that time the floor boards had rusted completely out and you could see the road under the car, while driving. We put plywood on the floors of the cabin, LOL. Engine just wouldn't give up the ghost.
P.S. I owned a 1969 AMC Ambassador Super Sport Typhoon, with a 343 V8 - That thing was fast and delivered hot pizza to customers doors every night. The brakes kept falling apart on me(old braking system). I just did pizza with the emergency break, haha.
I have changed professions however I was a diagnostician/mechanic for over 25 years. You are a very knowledgeable wise person before your time. I would have been honored to work under or beside you. I watch your videos still learning things, especially being out of the loop for about 8yrs. Peace be with you and your family. Be safe
I have an '06 Ford Taurus with 241,000 miles on it, I got it when it had just shy of 60k. Before I made my first car payment, I dropped the transmission pan and changed the filter. I've done that service every 2 years since then. I also put a trans cooler on it to help prolong the life of the transmission. It still shifts crisp and smooth. Also, the timing chain on must be OK, because I'm getting 28 MPG in rural, high altitude driving, and the engine still pulls strong (thanks to regular synthetic oil changes).
I plan on keeping the old Taurus running indefinitely; it's easy to work on, parts are available and cheap, and it's comfortable to drive.
edit to add: it's the Vulcan engine; OHV with iron block and heads
Imagine the scene - you take your high mileage vehicle to the service department, and someone in business attire escorts you to the new car showroom instead. Go figure.
Thats why you need to dress like a hobo. Eliminate the assumption that you can afford a newer car.
Or ask a technical question. They run.
Planned obsolescence.
Some salespeople try to guess your income by the area you live in. Reply with an inner city location or some other known low-income area. That should make the conversation interesting.
@@davidtoth8975 Some dealerships couldn't care less. They'll try to "help you out"...and set you up with a 8 year finance option for a new car!
Car Wizard, you are doing a great service to automotive consumers! Especially as so many of us are having to keep our old cars these days.
When I bought my Nissan Frontier, I remember the finance lady trying to sell me on leasing. I remember telling her that I intended to drive it until it died and she gave me a dirty look. That was in 1998. I last drove it this morning and still use it to this day. It has 427,000 miles on the original engine now, but I did pull the engine at 397,000 miles to service it. I replaced the original timing chain set, oil pump, engine gaskets and seals and set the valve lash. I also pulled the transmission and went through it with a bearing and syncro kit and put in a new clutch and water pump at that time. That was 7 years ago and it still runs great today. I do all my own work on it with assistance from a factory service manual and my own common sense. The important thing is that I understand when things are starting to fail and I repair it at that time rather than waiting until something fails. It's far cheaper that way.
I'm so glad you told all this because you are so right !! And I also know because I also work in the automotive industry. Don't always believe a car manufacturer, they have other interests. But listen to the people who actually work on these cars and see this every day.
Changing fluids is key to extended life of the components 😊. Though you may get feeling down after three concurrent repairs it’s still less expensive to repair rather than replace your vehicle 😊. Lifetime fluid won’t last the average 8.4 years people keep their vehicles. The most liked vehicles are owned on average just over 10 years.
It's actually pretty easy to keep a car in good condition of you are educated. You don't even need to be into cars. That's why I love videos likes this, they educate you with the best intentions. It's a shame there are so many people in the car industry that are simply dishonest. Thank you wizard!
Depends on the car , try keeping a BMW , Mercedes , VW or Audi in up to par condition after 100k and good luck.
@@manchesterexplorer8519yeah. This is true. It’s not even just the motor. Everything starts to break or snap or get out of alignment. You’re going to get electronic issues that cost a fortune to fix. All this starts right after the 3 year warranty is up.
At 100,000 miles, according to the service table in the owners manual, I should have changed the transmission fluid in my transmission 2 to 4 times, every 50,000 under 'normal use' and 25,000 under 'severe duty' use, but then of course an Allison in my 2009 Duramax, the T-case and Differentials are replace fluids at 50K each
What I am saying is, get familiar with your owners manual, you pay a lot of money for your vehicles, take care of them!
Drain and fill (not flush) once a year for me in all my cars. Literally $50 for good fluid and an easy DIY job.
totally, drain and not flush..
And don’t forget the filter
@@MrZdvy lots of newer cars the filters aren't serviceable
Looking at my 1982 F150 I bought in 11th grade in 2001...
Me: How long do you plan on lasting?
Truck: How long do YOU plan on lasting? I figured they'd just dig a really big hole and drive me in there with ya...
Dang have you had any major rust repair? Whats the toughest job you've had to do on it
300 6 cylinder?
@@bwatt1383 It's a 40yo Iowa truck, there is rust-o-plenty... The hardest thing I ever did to it was a completely optional job, the truck was born a 2wd, it's now a 4x4 with a solid Dana 44 from a 1978 F150 under the front of it.
@@nou8257 Amen. 300 inline 6 and a np435.
@@admiralrustyshackleford119 Yep that will never die
Glad you made this informative video that sets a clear record on what needs to be changed and when and what manufacturers think of vehicle life as opposed to owners.
Hi, I’m a fairly new subscriber. I sort of stumbled on your channel a couple of months ago. I absolutely love your channel. I know this sounds odd but there is something sort of mesmerizing about watching you. You have a voice and style that is very….something…I can’t quite put my finger on it but it’s cool. Your style is also very calming as opposed to people that induce a lot of drama. Your also extremely informative and educational and I love the honesty and integrity. I even love the way that Mrs. Wizard will shout a comment or question at you. In any event, I’m very glad that I found your channel as I really look forward to them. Thanks and take care!👍
I've driven a lot of different cars over many years and been fastidious about maintenance. The bonus, lots of trouble free miles. If you plan on keeping your car a long time follow the Wiizard's advice. If you get rid of them every 3 years follow the manufacturer's advice.
EXCELLENT video, Wizard! So very very true. General knowledge. To say something can never wear out is bananas. If it moves, it can break/wear out.
Amen, Wizard! I have an ‘09 Accord that I want to keep going as long as possible. I like your reasoning on what manufacturers say vs what consumers
expect for life of vehicle. So true! Love your thought process and reasoning.
It’s awesome to find other gearheads with the same opinions! I love this channel.
I learn something new every time I watch your videos. I may not ever try and wrench the tips, but at least I learn what to look for.
I kind of liked it this year when I took my 22 year old Golf to the dealer and had them give it a thorough service. 22 years, over 400 000 km (it's a petrol engine, not diesel), and they're still perfectly willing to guarantee the car's mobility. They also made me aware of some things that should be taken care of at some point, but that weren't necessary to fix right there and then. Only the stuff necessary to have it pass its semi annual mandatory inspection was dealt with at that point. That's how I like it.
Old Golfs never die.
@@stephenhargreaves381 The rust will claim it at some point, though it's held up remarkably well to all the winter salt here.
@@hadtopicausername I have a 40 year old mk1 Golf that I'm re commissioning . Sat in the garage for past 12 years & started on the 3rd turn of the key with the usual pre start up procedures beforehand , Hope to get it on the road again by spring .
Funny. I just replaced the factory radiator in my 02 Jetta(TDI) and she's sitting at 300k/mi. Still runs great, all I have to do is fluid changes and replace the bits that wear out as they do. I'm expecting another 10 years out of it.
25 year old Jetta, sole owner, sorry I sold it now.
After working for a repair shop we have had a lot of cars in that supposedly had lifetime use oil in the transmission, but when it came out it looked like tar and smelled really off. The transmission was beginning to fail, and the owner came by and asked what this was about. We told him about the bullshit that the dealers told about never servicing their transmission, and it was long overdue to flush it out with new oil. It got expencive for him, but the car still drives fine now, many years later.
Thankyou for another great video, I have always changed fluids on these so called "sealed for life" units as a form of insurance as manufacturers are generally trying to reduce service costs in the 0-3 year period at the expense of 2nd or 3rd owners.
Having recently worked on a validation program for a large prestige manufacturer the transmission fluid life actually became an issue during the test cycle. Luckily the test facility had seen the problem many times and advised that a fluid service would resolve the issue. Sure enough 9 litres of fresh fluid resolved our issue and the 100k target was met. I understand that particular vehicle service schedule now includes a periodic fluid change, lesson learned!
Like all your videos . I maintain my own car , all what i have to be done , in many years now . Save a lot money for doing so . If there is an insurmountable problem/defect that I don't know or can't fix, then I'll take it to a mechanic like you , to fix it
A classic Wizard video. Info we need, well explained.
Absolutely true about transmission fluid. I was telling people that 30 years ago and the response I usually got was "what?!.....nu-uh...you're just trying to make more service money."
Excellent advice/explanation by the Car Wizard.
It's almost a 'roll of the dice' when you suspect the auto transmission may not have been serviced & it may need a service.
I had this dilemma on an old Z3 I had bought. The service books were up to date but NO auto transmission service. The vehicle had 190 000 KMs.
I decided not to do the service as I suspected issues with new oil at that milage. drove it another 20 000 Kms before I sold it.
No drama's at all. I also told the buyer that the transmission was not serviced and they still bought it at a reduced asking price.
please make a video about what its like to run a shop, whats it like to have employees, what you would do to ur building to make it better, what you do with ur second building. more explaining about ur company, not just the car projects would be really interesting. thanks
When i was working as a delivery man we ran Renault trafic vans (i live in europe), several parts/fluids we're said to be lifetime parts like the timing chains as mentioned, the company only fell for that one once, that one made it to 350k km before it broke the chain. After that all of them we're changed at 250k and every single one of the remaining vans lived to clock 6/700k km with any major major issues.
Which parts exatcly?
And what happened at 6/700k ?
Mr. Wizard is so right. People often listen to the manufacturer's recommendations on fluid replacement and service. It doesn't hurt to service the vehicle sooner than what is recommended.
02:50 the issue really is slip codes. You can change transmission fluid if there are no slip codes to start with. You can introduce slip codes when and after changing the fluid, but the warning comes from back in the days when Indies didn't have access to the ECU and be able to strike out errors.
My 2000 E38 (735 iL) was a case in point. When I decided to change the transmission fluid, my Indie checked for slip codes - this was 2010 when Indies got access to the ECU; no slip codes before or after.
Good video and timely advice for many. Not too long ago, you were critical of Honda's V6 engine, because it still uses a timing belt. Honda clearly states that the belt should replaced every 100K miles I've had several of these engines. I recently replaced the belt on an Accord (at 120K miles, I cheated a little) and that is one service I choose to have done by a dealer. Their package approach includes a new belt, new tensioner, new waterpump (driven off the backside of the belt), new coolant, and new serrpentine accessory belt, all for $1,100.
To some, that may sound expensive. Well... the last time several years ago I had the same service done on older Odyssey, the engine was still running well at over 200K when we traded it. Show me a 200K mile GM, Ford, FCA, (your favorite OEM here) V6 engine with chain driven overhead cams that has NOT required at least a new timing system, if not a total engine rebuild costing several times more.
Car Wizard, you absolutely hit the nail on the head. Most consumers do not know these points or have been misled (“timing chains last forever…”). Years back… I paid the price on BMW E-38. I even asked at the dealership if the transmission fluid was in fact ‘never to be changed’. The downside… at around 147,000 kms, I found out how much a BMW transmission (quality) rebuild cost. The upside… I crossed over 389,000 kms before selling it. All whilst enjoying one of the best driving machines (for distance) on the road and it worked FLAWLESSLY. Thanks for the video.
Sorry… not 389,000, but rather 289,000 kms.
Outstanding video Car Wizard! Thanks for clarity in definitions of life of the vehicle. Manufacturers are using our language but their own dictionary:) Keep up the great work.
This was a good and much needed video Wizard (and Mrs. Wizard. So many misconceptions on this this topic. You hit the nail on the head.
I really appreciate this video. At 100, 000km, I had my transmission fluid changed (though the manual would differ in thought). The timing chain in particular was of interest. I have looked in the car book & it recommends at 400, 000 km (from what I recall). Next time I go in to get a service done, I will be asking for them to look at the chains & guides. Thank you again for such a great video.
Usually around 150k km, your valve cover gasket will fail , having some engine oil seepage. That happens for most cars these days. Since you need to remove the valve cover to replace leaking gasket, might as well check the timing chain while it is exposed.
@@fleurdewin7958 Good to know. Thankfully below 150, 000 km. Come spring, I will ask. Should be easy on an i4.
The most informative video, thank you Wizard. I learned so much about my 2016 Nissan Maxima.
Great video. Have run and on my Shop for 30 years. Thank you for making the radio. It makes it easier for the rest of us trying to do the right thing. The only tweak I would make is too shorten up the fluid intervals. I have found changing the drivetrain fluids every 50 seems to be the sweet spot. You just don’t want the the fluid you’re taking out to look absolutely terrible. You want to see fluid that is definitely dirty but not completely wiped out. I have seen some fluids that I changed at 30k and it looks terrible. Thank you again for making the video.
Timing chain alone on the newer Ford Duratec/Ecoboost V6 will run anywhere from $2000-7000. But thats usually done with the water pump as well since its driven by the chain internally. The high number is up to replacing the engine cause the Water pump went.
I have a 3.5L SHO, so I'm aware of this looming issue, but still have a warranty. The PTU on this car and EXplorers/Escapes aren't serviceable, especially the older pre 2017/2018 I think. However the fluid can be changed, but its not as thorough as one that has a drain, just did it myself. Gotta go in through the fill port and vac/suck as much of the old gear oil out, and then refill. Most places won't do this service, and if they did at todays rates, would be a $200-500 job alone.
Was given a vacuum cleaner once that said "never replace a filter!" It had an asterisk that said "good for 2 years, useful life of product". Fortunately they do actually make replacements.
That's like "Lifetime Warranty **Once unit breaks, the lifetime is over and warranty void"!
This is why I’m a big fan of my car. It has a simple drain plug for the transmission fluid, and servicing that is as easy as an oil change. I am curious about how long the timing chain on it lasts (2009 Honda Civic) because what I read states it regularly lasts 300,000 miles.
Awesome video, wow that's crazy, I had no idea those stickers existed. I am not a mechanic but have an above average knowledge of cars and still shocked to see this. Thanks for sharing.
My Subaru 2016 Outback maintenance book has different services.. A - B - C & D. The D requires change of CVT fluid and differential fluids. Not just inspect. I plan for a long ownership and have done all maintenance as specified either by myself or at dealer/garage. Thought I would do my own CVT maintenance until I watched RUclips vids and realized fill a little over or a little under and I could ruin my CVT. Did spark plugs myself engine in... so not bad there. I enjoy your channel, keep the material coming.....maybe oneday I bring my car to you.
Bought my first ever new car in 2015 and my lifetime is gonna be as long as I can keep it running and safe to do so! I've had multiple cars go into the 300k but I bought those just before or just after 100k and my first car had almost 500k on it! I'm gonna push this golf as far as I can!
When I think of the life of the vehicle, I think of forever. It's like in the Army, they would never get rid of a jeep. They just kept rebuilding them, every part was likely replaced, and when the body rusted out, they put on a new body. They last forever.
I agree with you on your service recommendations, if you can keep your car on the road for 200 or 300 thousand miles. It’s a good policy for vehicles in warm dry climates. However, here in the northeast, the enemy is salted roads in the winter. No matter how frequently and thoroughly you wash your vehicle, there are areas you can’t flush clear, and for many of us doing these extensive services is countered by the appearance of extensive rust by the time the vehicle reaches high mileage ranges. Once that happens, the value of your vehicle is so dramatically reduced, that such services exceed the value of the vehicle.
Great discussion about lifetime of car user vs manufacturer. I do all my own services fluid changes.
Thanks for stressing mantience! I have a 01 gmc 4.8l and 02 silverado they both have over 200,000 miles. Been keeping up on the fluids. Hope I get 300,000 out of them.
You are 100% correct. I maintain my vehicles the eay you recommend and that is why I can get several 100k out of my Hondas and Toyotas. I wish I lived closer to your shop as I am getting up in years and don't enjoy working on cars like I used to
Very informative. I had no idea about any of this. Especially the info on "life time" transmission fluids. I appreciate your videos. And the time you slent making them. ❤
Like he said, CVTs will always need service every 50k miles. My rule of thumb is to do a drain and fill with the appropriate synthetic ATF (usually Valvoline MaxLife) every 30k miles. That way only 1/3 of the fluid is actually changed. I think it's a nice balance between risking too much fluid being swapped out and adding much more life to the transmission. And if there wasn't any leaks or loss, an easy way to fill it is to just replace the amount that was drained out (if you don't have access to temp sensors and the specific components to check the fill level on these modern cars). -- It'll at least be at the level it was at before with the benefit of some new fluid.
My daily is a 2004 Nissan Maxima QX. European model so it's A33 with VQ30DE engine. It has ~220 thousand miles on the clock and is running like new. I've had to replace the radiator and MAF. Other than that it's been pretty much bulletproof. Engine oil changed every 9,000 miles and transmission fluid every 40,000 miles.
Excellent education Car Wizard, thanks for saving a lotta folks' wallets with this info.
That was definitely one of your best videos. Thanks for making it.
This was great! Thank you for putting this out there. Not easy to find this info if you are not a car person.
There was a story in a UK newspaper of a chauffuer driven Jag V12 that was retired still running at 512000 miles. It was always serviced, fluids changed but the motor mechanicals were never touched and with original timing chains. Very tough motors if not cooked.
Had a Nissan cvt, serviced it, traded the car in with 90000 miles and still drove like new. Have a 4runner that says it has a sealed transmission. Still changed the fluid under 60000 miles
Started writing this at 4:38 where Mr. Wizard asked what comes to mind. The life of a vehicle in my opinion should be no less than 175-225k, my Acadia specifically says not to change the transmission fluid. I've had the truck for 3 years now and have changed the transmission fluid 6 times (twice a year) and it doesn't harm anything. If anything your transmissions operating temp will drop about 10deg cooler, you'll save more fuel cause the trans doesn't have to work as hard and hey, these Acadias have drain bolts, crack her loose than fill her up. It takes longer time to change the oil actually than the transmission fluid on one of these things. but ALWAYS change your transmission fluid regardless of what the dealer tells you
Yeah I changed the transmission fluid on the LR3 and you had to jack part of the transmission up, use a hack saw to cut the filter tube off so you could get the pan out and replace with a 2 piece unit. my Ram 3500 has a 30kmi service interval on the Aisin transmission
I've been servicing my transmissions (myself) every 12K (or less) since the 1980s, and have had no problems--and yes, I still own & drive those cars. All the fluid changes are best done at 1/4 to 1/3 the recommendations.
Yes, you could overhaul your engine every 10,000 miles and it would have no troubles, either. It is a bit excessive and a waste of money but ... 🤔
Yeah Im actually a fan of timing belts. Usually a lot easier and cheaper than chains to change, less momentum in the timing gear in general, ensures its done on a routine basis and ensures you get a good water pump while youre at it.
The whole point of the chain is it shouldn't ever need to be changed. Some lower quality ones won't last though.
@@wigletron2846 You've confused OHV with OVC. See my answer on Quora.
Look out, Jason Arthur Taylor said something, it HAS to be true. 🤣😂🤣
@@jason.arthur.taylor lol who tf are you?
@@wigletron2846 IMO answering you won't matter since you already proved you aren't a scientist; you like to judge based on context instead of whatever something actually is. (In this case, my answer about guaranteed to fail tech in cars.) That said, since u asked: PhD physics. >1K answers and questions published, many about cars. >3M views.
Thank you for this video. I'm 71 and know a car needs to be serviced. A few months ago I bought a 2017 Mazda 3 & wanted to change out the fluid for the transmission. I took it to the Mazda dealer & they refused to do it saying they were instructed by Mazda this was a sealed unit & never needed to be serviced. I knew that was not right, I took my car to 3-other shops before I found one that knew how to change it correctly and did the work. I also have had the radiator flushed & new hoses put on it. I soon want to get the differential changed out. My car has 75,000 miles on it. It is truly a shame what dealers tell customers now, nothing but lies.
This has been a great video, Wizard so thankyou! Timing chains are a really interesting subject as to being “lifetime” over timing belts, perhaps the best are M57/M47 diesels. There are plenty of vehicles with the M57 well over 200k miles on the original chain, including mine. Some people even document 400k miles on the original chain, incredible.
When it comes to maintenance, don't wait!!!
I did my CVT on my 2015 Yaris 1.3L last year with 90,000m with the proper Toyota FE fluid, £60 for 5L, i drained & refilled it 2x in 2 weeks,it takes 2.2L each drain. The price for the 5L CVT fluid has gone up a tenner £10....so glad i did it when i got the car. Filling it was easy as i used a 3ft hose pipe & a funnel to fill it up in the engine bay itself & not by the removing the tire as a video showed. There was ample room.
Finding someone skilled enough to change out a timing chain and guides isn’t something I’d take a chance on. Can’t find decent help these days in any industry. I agree with everything else in the video.
im a dealership teck. iv replaced a grip of belts and chains for mostly just people i know or for other shops in my driveway or the weekend at work. finding the skill is not that hard you need to just go find whatever place works on your brand in the area and talk to there like top teck. most places have a timing guy that just does all the timing jobs. do not go to like a pep boys or something looking for skill lol.
@@jacobnelson2480 What I mean is good help is hard to find.
@@therealvanillayou got that Pep Boys thing right! I was on vacay down in Florida. Typically I change my own oil before vacay but wasn’t able to this time due to scheduling constraints. So I had it done at Pep Boys down the street from my bro’s house. Left for MS the next day, and all kinds of alarms were going off when I got to AL - turns out the oil change “tech” double-gasketed the oil filter causing oil loss and almost seizing up my engine. Luckily I found a dealership that diagnosed the problem! Pep Boys? Never again!! 😡😡
Funny, while my 2003 Saturn Ion was still on lease (which I am still driving) and I was having service done at the dealer, they went ahead and changed the transmission fluid. It is a manual transmission car. I questioned the service but I decided not to make a fuss. It is still going at 355K (kms) so I am not complaining.
I haven't looked at the timing chain on my car, but I have a coworker with the GM 3.6L that went through the timing chain issue. You didn't mention noise associated with timing chain issues.
Hey Wiz, while you are spending so much time on your Cadillac remember those gas tanks have baffles that come loose inside, making the floats suspend off the bottom so the gage shows gas but they run dry.
I worked on these at a Cadillac dealership here in Flagstaff and the tank baffles were breaking loose under warranty!
Manufacturers started to give extended service intervals, not because the engines or transmissions were built better,
but because it attracted fleet buyers of big organizations..
I always used to get a new cam belt at 40,000 miles. Cheaper than a big engine repair.
It also makes the "lifetime" ownership cost look lower, and cheapens up the lease service cost.
The Car Wizards has the coolest walk on RUclips. I'd love to see a continuous loop video of him just waddling around on his stubby little legs with Pantera's WALK as the background music!
There's an aftermarket kit made for Range Rover transmissions to make servicing your 'service free' transmission serviceable. There are differences between 4wd and all wheel drive cars too. Have recently pulled the clutch pack out of an 08 Subaru "all wheel drive" to stop transfer case clunks. So called full time 4wd or all wheel drive are badly affected by differing tyre diameters, where an older "occasionally put into 4wd in a slippery situation" transfer cases aren't as fussy. Water contamination is another good reason to check all oil levels at regular intervals.
Thank you for explaining what the manufacture considers, the life of a vehicle, verses my definition of life of the vehicle. Out of all the years I've worked on vehicles (30 years), I didn't know that.
I just had a 2019 Maxima engine with 37K miles put in my formerly oil burning 2002 Maxima with manual transmission. Hopefully that will get me 200K more miles. The performance shop that did the engine swap included dismantling and putting all new bearings and seals in the manual transmission in the price. Even if the 2002 engine didn't burn oil, getting a new timing chain, plastic valve covers, new coil packs, sensors, etc would be half or more the price of and good used updated VQ35DE engine parts and labor.
I am a fanatic about fluid changes on my truck. I had my transmission and rear differential fluid changed at 33K. And my brake fluid, coolant and power steering fluid changed around 45k. My truck now has 63K on it and I had my rear differential fluid changed again. Fluids are cheap maintenance. I plan to own this truck for as long as I can.
Wizard this could be the best video you’ve put out thank you and have a merry Christmas 🎄
Your the man,
Common sense, reason and logic rules! What an education.
I'm now gonna subscribe!
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Completely correct!!! Regular maintenance keeps your vehicle, reliable and economic on fuel consumption. Nothing more, nothing less. 👌
Thanks! I've been trying to convince SWMBO that the CVT in her 'baru needs a fluid change. I'm going to get her to watch this.
This is probably one of the MOST USEFUL videos you have posted. Everybody knows that engine oil needs to be replaced at certain intervals, but almost nobody knows that transmissions (both automatic and manual including differential) need to be serviced too because they are very expensive to repair.
My Jaguar XJ has a ZF transmission, one of those supposed "maintenance free". I do not care what the manual says, I replace both fluid and filter every 50.000 km, and still runs like new.
But it is also very certain that if the transmission has not been serviced in a long time and the fluid has gone bad, it is better to leave that way.
My buddy, Jim, is a retired mechanic, His comment was, replace CVT fluid between 40,000 and 50,000 miles, regardless of what the manufacturer says